Army Corps Announces Timeline to Open the Main Channel | How To Get Cargo Moving Into Baltimore?
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What's Going on With Shipping?
April 5, 2024
In this episode, Sal Mercogliano - a maritime historian at Campbell University (@campbelledu) and former merchant mariner - discusses the announcement by the Corps of Engineers to have the main shipping channel reopened to a 35 foot draft by the end of April and a proposal to get cargo flowing into the port of Baltimore.
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00:00 April 5 Update
08:18 How to Get Cargo Moving
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RUclips is such a cool thing. We have one of the most knowledgeable people on this subject that we’re able to watch for free on our phones. Twenty years ago you’d get a talking head on the news for at best five minutes a day just regurgitating whatever statements public officials would say
The internet has it's moments, this be one of them fo sho
And Perun briefing us every week on Ukraine-related war logistics and beyond 🇺🇦 😁
while a shuttle service could work, im still not understanding why they are cutting up the bridge before floating it with bladders and winching/dragging it to sparows point. their just cutting away pointless material atm making it harder to lift it out in big pieces/making process take longer.
should be attaching salvage bladders inside the ships(edit i meant bridges superstructure, usually its a ship) super structure and floating it out of the mud then using a couple of dozen tugs ancoured and attached to each other with winches to skull drag it to sparrows point
I knew basically nothing about any of this. Really appreciate the knowledge offered, the clarity. Listening/watching other channels, I've not gotten anywhere the amount of useful explanations. Still learning in my dotage. Thankyou!!
Imagine having to wait for a series on this on your “history channel” instead we have it here, live and ready.
We are incredibly lucky to have Sal on RUclips, with his extensive experience and education.
Agreed!
Anything that affects shipping, affects the world. Best news channel on RUclips, THANKS SAL!!!
This bridge collapse only affects Baltimore.
All new cargo is diverted to other ports, and doesn't affect any world cargo
@@robertlee6338That is not true. Baltimore was one of the largest ports on the east coast and the logistics of rerouting is expensive. So it does affect many locations that now have to increase reception. They are more than happy to do this, but consumers worldwide will pay for it.
Sal Mercogliano, the text to speech capability of my Apple. iPad actually spells your last name correctly when I speak it. Sir, you have arrived!
I’m one of the lucky ones still working at the port, receiving and delivering RORO for WWL. Most of what we’ve been doing this past week is loading diverted export cargo on trucks to Norfolk and Brunswick. From what I’m hearing most of the WWL, Eukor and ARC ships should be able to pass through the temp 35 ft channel, so that’s the key to getting the RORO and autos moving. Carmen, the vessel stranded at Dundalk currently has a draft of 8.7M/28’6” fyi.
Have there been any layoffs or job guarantees? I don't remember hearing anyone talk about the latter...
@@edwardcullen1739 Yes, jobs have been cut significantly at the terminals who receive and deliver the cargo for the vessel’s, the everyday monday through Friday jobs, what longshoremen call the “front door” However the longshoremen who strictly work vessel operations, work is essentially non existent, apart from a few car ships calling tradepoint Atlantic. There are some things in the works to help the workers but no guarantees.
Great info! Thanks and best wishes for everyone involved.
My last command was the USAV Elton in Astoria, Oregon. The Elton is an Army Survey Vessel. Once the debris is removed you have to be careful with dredging. Dredging mud is hard to do, it just keeps sloghing into itself. This requires constant surveying and on-call dredging.
A lot of the dredging to be done with this project will be exposing debris for removal. They can't just leave it even if it's under the mud, someone might hook it with an anchor during a storm and foul up shipping traffic for days. Hopefully they won't need to do much "ordinary" dredging.
P.S. I know jack & shit about the dredging part - to me it's the "magic hose" that makes the mud & sand go away so I could get to work figuring out how to float whatever I was after. (normally propellers for craft in the 100 foot range)
Sal's solution to bring containers into Baltimore is a solid plan, it's realistic, it's doable, it's now!
As I said earlier, Sal should be in charge of the operation, it's the only way, I tell you, the fact that no one else has yet to come up with a plan proves my point.
I used to do selective demolition out of Curtis Bay. Visibility of 3” is typically a good day in many areas of the Chesapeake. Every single diver I worked with was a badass.
My friend works for Ports America at Port Newark.
The effects in traffic were felt just hours after the accident.
All planned by the Democrat Party and Brain dead Joe Biden
I'm sure. Invoicing probably goes out after delivery to port.
The coal facility on the North side of the harbor is Consol, primarily served and operated by Norfolk Southern. If you've ever seen the Will Smith/Gene Hackman movie "Enemy of the State", the railroad yard chase scene took place in the Consol coal facility when it was owned by Conrail. CSX does bring coal trains into there but maybe one a day most of the time. CSX's major facility for coal, and the auto ramp you see on the South side is at their Curtis Bay yard, where they can rotary dump coal hoppers. They can also reach that smaller pier that can be seen west of the South side of the Key Bridge, mostly for dry bulk cargo. CSX is the primary carrier for Seagirt, and they have already rerouted traffic for there to the NY area, and maybe South Philly. They also are the railroad that serves Domino Sugar at Locust Point.
I watched the last scene of "Enemy of the State" being filmed at the big concrete building blow up, it didn't fall completely but just leaned over. Once again tnx Sal for your updates. I worked at the Sparrows plant for years.
@@davebollmann5292 The building in the movie that was blown up, as Hackman's hideout, was going to be torn down anyway, so the movie company arranged for the spectacular ending for it. There is now a Royal Farms store on the site. It's near the drywall plant in the Seagirt/PennMary area. I used to stop there sometimes when I was train crew for CSX out of Baltimore in the '00s.
I suspect rail will be used extensively to bypass the port of Baltimore.
If you put the Civil War lectures up, I'd watch every one!
@@fgerv They won some battles but thankfully lost the war
Nominate him for a C-SPAN "Lectures in History" segment.
Post those lectures NOW Please ☺️
@@fgerv You are lost without a clue!!
@@fgerv They weren't insurrectionists, they made no attempt to overthrow the government. Instead, they left the union. The war came about to stop those States from leaving. Had that war not happened, we could be looking at both a Confederate States of America and a United States of America on this continent. The south wasn't going to overthrow the Union. They just left. That's not an insurrection, it's a secession.
Great ideas for getting material moving. Am hoping we see more outside the box thinking like they sought when I95 was shut down in N Philly. People don't realize how crippling it is for the port and the hazmat loop for trucks being gone. Thanks for showing all the different ships available. Who knew!
I am not surprised you are a teacher; clear, passionate, knowledgeable. Thanks and looking forward to the next WGOWS!.
Thank you for being so cheery. Loved my Civil War history classes, too. Back in the day.
Excellent suggestions, Sal, which guarantees they will not be implemented.
I know
Sal, that is not a sidescan sonar image. That is a 3D pointcloud created with an electronically scanned multibeam sonar. You're just seeing a screenshot, but that is a full 3D model that can be moved around and looked at from any angle. There are also operating modes with that technology that allow the operator to view things, live, with the same perspective you would have if your eyes were the sonar head. Sidescan sonar will absolutely give you a better quality image, but only from a top-down perspective that I'm not sure would add much to this effort.
Bridge down in Sweden 🇸🇪 1980
Part of the bridge on the ship
Almöbron (The elm island bridge) hit by a ship (ice and current)
Replaced by Tjörnbron in less than 23 months
The Almöbron/Tjörnbron is also much shorter in length, shorter in span, and lower and narrower bridge with less vehicle and ship traffic. Managed to kill more people in the incident though.
Love Civil War history. Live in Spotsylvania, VA about a mile from the battlefield and have a collection of minie balls found in my yard. Union troops are known to have camped in the immediate area as they moved south from the Wilderness chasing Lee towards Richmond.
Don't forget, when the SeaBees & Army Corp of Engineers work together, they can put a port right off the beaches at Normandy in a matter of weeks, compared to the decades one takes as a civil engineering project.....
I think You need to read a book about how long it took to make the components and Who built the ports off Normandy during WW2.
Someone should be paying Sal big bucks 💰💵💸to manage this event!
You have a good understanding of Baltimore. Thanks for giving factual info.
ILA 333 Baltimore Dock worker here!
Hello Union Brother! I am AMO, working on the container ships that you load / unload!
@@smytb Right On Bro! Stay safe out there..
@@smytbhey, AMO.
Does your union strike?
Does your union have a pension?
Ask how I know.
@@amariner5 Ok, tell me how you know? Are you MEBA? or MMP??
@@smytb guess one more time
We are lucky to have you Sal, i dont know when you sleep .
You should have the dog on again, hes got star quality.
Dogs are the best people.
I only wish I would have had a professor as enthusiastic as Sal. What an inspiration to young students.
So happy to have come across your channel, Dr. Sal. Your commentary is great and you have so much wisdom to share. Your ideas about moving even small amounts of cargo
*now* are so good. I hope people listen up and take your advice. You are a treasure! Thanks for your presence and expertise.
A form of lightering. Very creative. Good training for military logistics vessels and personnel.
To fully image the whole underwater debris field given the tight operating environment (wrt deploying a tethered ROV and moving around the search area) you're worried about umbilical's getting caught in wreckage, you have current flowing through this area at speeds that approach 70% of what an ROV can operate against. Add to this the challenge of the mothership supporting the ROV having to stay clear of hazards, avoid work boats, keeping its props free of the ROV umbilical, and not running aground.
Shippers are going to re-route for now. I think once the main channel is fully open, hopefully by July, shipping will return to normal.
I agree the Port Authority should look at options for moving goods and going after federal funds to support the effort. Keep the workforce there in Baltimore healthy and not getting mired in debt by being out of work.
Sal, your shirt collection is epic.
Cheers 🇨🇦
You, with your vast experience in so many areas related to this, are The Perfect Guy to sort it out Sal!
What a great set of ideas. What a great plan. (What was that about 'Group Command' structures?)
Go with what Sal says!
" When the ship goes black is the worst feeling"
Then there's black water diving in a junk yard when any piece that comes loose might kill you...😱
Thanks so much for keeping us up to date! So cool to know you are teaching history to the younger generation.
This is called reporting.....something MSM has forgotten....💪😎🍺🇳🇿
FYI, Philadelphia has an extensive car terminal just north of the Walt Whitman Bridge, known as the PhilaPort Auto Terminal Complex. 155+ acres, three piers, plenty of connections to rail (served by both NS and CSX) and road (I-95 and I-76). Easily processes 350,000 vehicles per year, with parking for 24,000 vehicles at any given time. It even has 108,000 square feet of facilities to repair any damaged vehicles before sending them off to their final dealership destinations. They could easily unload faster, putting Baltimore-bound vehicles on trains to Baltimore for processing, with the journey taking only about 3 hours by train... Assuming the rail bridge over I-95 is repaired by this weekend as has been claimed by Conrail.
From a fellow marine archeology diver in the Yucatan, Belize, the Bahamas who has also dived on Caesarea and in the dark, cold currents of off New England, working in dark, cold water is not fun.
Great thoughts on some of the solutions to get some containers and goods moving back into the port of Baltimore, hope some one takes notice !
Great work Sal and much appreciated with all the time and effort you put into these updates on Baltimore bridge disaster and with the rest of Shipping news also!
Big Thumbs up as always!
👍👍👍👍👍😉
A key question is how are the bridge pieces underwater going to be cut into manageable pieces..? Its obvious the cranes can only lift debris of a certain size. With zero vis, knowing where to cut and with what tools to use determines how fast the work can progress. For divers to use hand held cutting tools takes a lot of time. Are there any special cutting tools, what about using underwater explosive cutting material..? Water depth will also effect diver downtime and the complex equipment needed to support them. Lots of questions. Do a story about the underwater work.
They have cutting torches that work underwater. Some of that junk may just be dragged (wenched) into better positions or to the shore.
@@jonmccormick8683 I was a commercial diver and did underwater repair work. Using a cutting or Broco rod is very time consuming work. Good for small work not for the size of those girders.
Maersk line used to have some small containerships called the C&T-class (Christian Maersk, tinglev Maersk f. instance). They had own gantry crane and could load or off load load 20+ containers per hour with own crane. They were around 1500 teu. If any of them still is in service, they would be quite good to move containers to and from Baltimore, using a pier on outside of the collapsed bridge, as they wouldn't need a container crane on the pier.
Seems possible, but you have to be sure there's enough upland to store the boxes while they're cleared and waiting for pickup. It might work for cargo that's destined for delivery by truck.
Dole uses those for offloading bananas at the port of San Diego. In fact, along with RORO cars, that’s about all that happens at this port.
Great to hear about your work with civil war history! 🤗
BMW also has a 70000 square ft facility that services BMW, Mini, and Rolls Royce at Sparrows Point.
Hey professor. My Dad would love every minute of this.
Thank you for keeping us up to date! So interesting and so complex! 🙏🙏
Don't know if it is still happening - colliers loading at Curtis Bay Coal Pier when the harbor draft was 39 feet would load 50-60K ton and then steam down the Bay to Newport News and load another 90-100K ton before going overseas. While not as economical as loading to the full 50 foot channel depth, vessels can load to the 35 foot depth and go elsewhere for complete loading.
Great job, Sal! You’re my go-to guy for all things maritime & ocean shipping. Another factor that has to affect their cutting plans/schedule is predicting how the pieces will shift when cut. Extreme danger to deal with in my opinion.
My great grandfather won the MOH in the Civil War!
Maid of honor?
@@phtephanie That is often an unannounced part of the award. Assuming the award is not posthumous.
love your channel, been following since the Suez canal thing. would love to have such an enthusiastic teacher like you man keep it up
Stay hydrated Sal. Pace yourself captain. We need you for the long haul!
Thanks SAL.
As someone who played 6mm Armies (historical, WW2) that is GREAT to hear!!!!
Loved my Roman vs Frank army fights. Now to roll the
🎲🎲🎲.....nooooooooo!!!!
Don't worry about the cars. They aren't selling anyway.
Mr. Sal, I applaud you kind Sir, for bringing me the REAL and TRUE information about shipping, and all things ships, that being said, going off of the title of this video "Army Corps Announces Timeline"..............to be honest with you, Announcing a timeline is NEVER NEVER NEVER let me say it again NEVER a good idea, things can happen, weather, equipment breaks down, SOOOOO many things can happen in a fluid situation like this is, and by that time, it is already to late, you put out a timeline, and then it slips, just for the reasons I listed above, and then people start to get mad saying things like "well, what happened to the timeline that you put out" and then you have to come back and say, "well, we cant predict these things" which is all well and good, which brings me back to the beginning of my comment.............Timelines are NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER a good thing
But you have to give people hope!
@@paularchard5796 i understand that completely, but, would you rather have hope that it is going to get done right the first time with no time pressure, or would you rather have a time line, where people are working towards just that, a timeline
The Columbia Coastal barge came into Philly this morning essentially empty. I don’t know if it was because this leg was supposed to have come from Baltimore, or they were expecting a full load heading back to Norfolk.
Even getting cargo coming back into the port, there still is the problem of getting trucks in and out without the bridge carrying the truck traffic. How much truck traffic can the tunnels carry? This is going to be a years long problem.
Not much, due to restrictions on hazardous materials and height. Those rule out tunnels for a lot of truck traffic. They have to go around.
Sal, the amount of information you deliver, and at such a high level of insight gives one the feeling of being in a 300 college level class...taught by an old salt. Thank you!
I hope our capable leaders are tuning in - Sal is such a great resource! These are the kind of ideas that make Americans the absolute finest.
TI @6:00, quality of the sonar image: It is possible that there are many multipath returns in this complex jumble of pickup sticks so the post processing software is having trouble sorting out all the returns, and this may be the best image that any sonar could get. (Just speculation, of course.)
Good speculation. They’ll probably have to use something like blueview or some other underwater 3D imaging technology to get the best picture.
Ai is your friend.
A one mile long US double stack freight train is 276 TEU for 20 or 40 foot containers. The math: 76 foot long cars ("platforms"), 4 TEU per car. Domestic containers are frequently 53 feet long, can be carried on the upper level above 2 20's or a 40. US stack trains are frequently several miles long. Thus 4 miles of train handles 1000 TEU, call it 2 trains. So transferring a ship's entire cargo from a different port is no big deal.
Great info, thanks Sal! I like hearing about the other ports in the area that are impacted by this. I’ve learned so much about the equipment needed for this clean up!
You’re awesome Sir! I love your videos! very informative and well spoken. Really appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
I just started a commercial Diving channel and you inspire me to make good quality and informative Maritime videos. Thanks!
Norfolk Southern railroad is already making changes to its Baltimore services, sending coal trains to Norfolk from Pennsylvania and running dedicated international container service from Newark NJ ports down to Baltimore so that might help things for the time being as well, love the content Sal !
Bentonville is a well preserved battlefield. Great visit there a few years ago. Go Cambell!
I attended a week long basketball school at Campbell College(now University) at Buies Creek, NC in the summer of 1959. It was hosted by the Wake Forest College (now University) basketball team. It was one of the big thrills of my life.
I so appreciate your info & updates. Carry on the good work !🎉
Sparrows point has rail access. Use that to Baltimore. Thanks.
Just listened to Lara Logan on redacted..interesting gaslighting.So good to have your channel with factual knowledge based conversations
I have been swimming on that side of the bay in April on a much warmer day. The water is very cold. You can not see anything under the water. It was all green. I can imagine in the very deep sections how dark it must be. I hope they can find the missing. Sounds like they may be buried in the mud. Peace closure and prayers for the families.
The ones that were working and not sitting in a vehicle were probably thrown into the water and swept away by the tide. Their bodies may be found miles away or never.
Sal, I nominate you for incident commander. You have amazing, innovative ideas. Wonder if anyone is listening ???
Seems like flexing our military capabilities would help economically and be a good test/training for our forces
Military has no capability for this
@@flyingsword135 providing logistics is a necessary part of a global force, if they are not able to do it in our home waters, they won't be able to provide that capacity overseas
Too bad our military is a joke.
Super report! I really appreciate it. I’ve got a friend who’s waiting on a car delivery that was scheduled to come into Baltimore so I’ll be sending him a link to this video.
There is also Hopewell and the Bermuda Hundred at the Port of Virginia down at the mouth of the James River.
Sounds like a good way to get things moving. Now if we can convince the leadership it was their idea, It'll get done. Thanks for the update.
Great update as usual, thank you Sal.
Thanks very much for a great report with all your years of knowledge in the industry as it sure shows by your videos.
Cool! I just visited the battlefield at Antietam a couple weeks ago.
Thanks Sal...like thinking outside the box for temporary solutions to problems. Keep up the good work.
Such a great breakdown of this accident. It constantly amazes me the quality of independent RUclipsrs 👏
RUclips keeps giving me video suggestions for news of the bridge accident.
Silly RUclips, this is the only channel I need.
Thank you so much for your comprehensive coverage on the bridge and everything. And also for your coverage on world shipping.
Such quality content. Thanks Sal 👍🏻🇬🇧
Virginian here. I found your channel because of the Key Bridge disaster. Of course it's a huge story in the Mid-Atlantic for both maritime and highway impacts.
But, you're also a Civil War historian, something we have a lot of sites here in Virginia and something I really enjoy being from here. My favorite site is probably Drewry's Bluff because you can easily image yourself as a Confederate soldier looking out over the James River, keeping a watch out for Union vessels.
Notice it is the Army Corps of Engineers re-opening the port. Go Army! Beat Navy!
The USACE is composed of approximately 98% civilian employees and only 2% military personnel.
Great work Sal❤
Great report..!
Thank you sir.
I wish I still a young commercial diver. This was the kind of jobs I made my bones on.
Get certified (pre-certified). Hazard pay plus+. This job is more difficult than it seems = currents, tides, hard to see anything dirty water, colder water, getting slammed into steel.
-Lots of divers will get tired of doing this type of hazardous work.
@@jonmccormick8683 I went to diver’s academy in NJ
300k by summer
Hi, let's just go for a nice Christmas ⛄ 🌲 present.
I'd been hoping for an episode like this. Hopefully the government appointed people have the same ideas, or at least are willing to listen to what you have said and make a plan. It gets harder every day to think that our political mess on either side will have appointed the right people at the right points to guide even things like this that make since from a practical point of view. I hope you have connections that are up on these type things, it really sucks losing faith in a Country I served.
Thank you Sal
👏very detailed explaination, love it
Excellent insight thanks!
THANK YOU YOUR VIDEOS ARE VERY INFORMATIVE / VERY GOOD
For the Container issue - we in Europe use smaller Ships called "Feeder" for traffic between smaller ports. I'm quite sure draft 30Ft. max. Just charter some of them.
Thanks Sal, great job 👍.
So glad 20,000 new subscribers since the bridge
Glad you got to have an outdoor break with your students 😊
Great Video, interesting to hear your wide range of interests as well as the huge range of options to get the port operational, thanks for sharing
We need you to do a show what's going on with akl this traffic 😂😂
Thank you.
The Glovus that normaly offload at Dundalk terminal, unloaded at TPA on 4/3,4/4. when i was trucking out of TPA.
Excellent review of the current state of trade in the harbor . Sal, you need to be on the board of this salvage/recovery operation. Very good commentary & suggestions wrt a way forward & re-opening the flow of trade.
Great ideas!! We hope the government will do the things you have suggested to get cargo moving again.
Thank you for these reports.
Any chance you could get some footage to "show" what 100 tons of bridge structure looks like? Oh, also like your reporting and format style, keep up the good work.
The piece they lifted yesterday was reported to weigh 250 tons and it amounted to two truss sections.
I knew the military could do some of what mentioned but wasn't sure they could be used for commercial services. Hope you've been able to send these ideas to someone in a high enough position and smart enough to listen. Good video. Good ideas.
Thanks Sal.