Great tips Taren. I have gone from over 2min 100m swim to 1:40min 100m swims. I swim 5 times a week, so I can't minimize the amount of work that has gone into the transformation, but your drills and advice have been a huge reference point for me. Ty.
Generally really appreciate your advice. In this instance I'm going to challenge you a bit. There was no mention to using your core to rotate that streamlines behind your (hand-extension) entry position? I've been using the TI technique- mainly to learn to relax in the water-but also found applying the techniques- hugh difference in my ability to move forward without exhausting myself. My kick is minimal two- stroke. Won't be breaking records but will come out of the water without being exhausted. Thoughts?
With respect, I feel the triathlete/pure swimmer divide is heavily exaggerated. For the vast majority, either way will produce an improvement. The slight differences between the two only really have an effect at the very very top end - it's a detail such as hand position on the aero bars. Rodriguez isn't having the huge successes with with swimmers because he is teaching them a triathlon specific stroke, he is doing so because he is a good teacher and working with swimmers who have substantial room for improvement. That former elite swimmer had problems not because the group consisted of triathletes, but because he is a poor teacher making assumptions about the level of her charges. Similar improvement would be shown if he taught a pool stroke. No need to worry about these differences until you are at least at a 1:20/100m pace and most people who are capable of that are swimmers who, due to training for years are able to adapt naturally and without thinking. Frankly I fail to see how splitting off triathlon freestyle as if it is almost a totally different stroke is anything other than confusing. There are different freestyle strokes but they are the hip driven, shoulder driven and hybrid forms, with a very subtle change to (in most swimmers) the hip driven stroke for open water. The catch is the catch, you don't remember nine steps to the catch for a race in the same way that you do not remember all the aspects of the running stride, you ingrain it into your muscle memory through training and good practice. I just fail to see how you criticise attention to the details of the catch while differentiating pool and triathlon strokes when the differences are equivalent. If you want to find a difference to emphasise, the difference between teaching adults vs teaching kids is much greater than poor swimmer vs triathlete and is much more likely to be the factor to blame for flexibility etc.
Part of this differentiation is to sell coaching. Fact is good mid d/distance freestylers have different slightly different strokes for 200 vs a 1500 ... open water is just a part of that progression. 1/2
AG Triathletes don't do enough swim specific strength work that facilitates better technique, getting stronger in the right way makes technique building easier... just the thoughts of a 41 year old swimmer/triathlete who still can swim 4:14/8:51/16:59 (400-800-1500) and yes I train all 4 strokes 2/2
Actually, it is not to sell coaching whatsoever. What I spoke about in this video was from specific experience, first-hand watching swim coaches try to coach age-group triathletes and giving them bad advice.
No bad advice was given. You just disagreed based on your opinion. You said nothing fact based. You just said it doesn’t work because they have shit ankles 😂 anyone with half an ounce of free thought would pay zero attention your point of view purely based on the fact you didn’t give one single valid point as to why triathletes can’t do that drill. If you’re happy to accept you can’t do something first go then good on you. But I bet if you spent time practicing you would get there.
where do i get those bike racks that you have in your garage? great idea to hang the bike, and have the helmet and shoes with it organized and ready to go.
While I understand your basic premise, that we all need to calm down about swim technique issues and filter our information carefully, I do believe that you missed the mark on this one. Your comments about triathlon swimming being less "complicated" (my terminology) than "elite pool swimmer" swimming sends the wrong message. You mentioned that there were 9 distinct components of the stroke and that was far to complicated to think of for triathlon. Triathlon is a game of improvement. Often subtle or small changes in technique that make us better, faster, and more efficient/productive in all three segments of the game. When we practice (train) it's these small-incremental changes in technique and their muscle memorization that make us better. When I started in triathlon, I told my swim coach that "I wanted to learn how to swim in triathlons". Her response was classic. She said, "first you learn to swim correctly, then we learn the triathlon part." Over the last 5 years, small changes in each part of the swim stroke (along with fitness improvements) have allowed me to finish the 2.4 miles in 1:40; then 1:23; then 1:10 and I hope for this year for a 1:00 swim finish. We are adults in this "game". We can handle understandng the differences between truly constructive criticism and BS. Race well.
Great video! - the 'superman/woman' cyclist/runner trying to improve their swimming requires a different approach. I've seen a couple of these in Tri classes lately with sad faces because they're working overtime to get it right and doing everything their coaches tell them but their legs and limbs are still sinky and inflexible. A different approach from coaching your average adult swimmer is sorely needed!
Generally I like your videos. But just saying they can’t do it because we aren’t flexible is absolute BS. Like anything, if you can’t do it, practice it and you’ll get there. Pretty poor attitude you’ve got re just dismissing the swimmers drills. Especially given your view is completely opinion based and you backed it up with absolutely zero science. Pure opinion. No bueno champ
Great tips Taren. I have gone from over 2min 100m swim to 1:40min 100m swims. I swim 5 times a week, so I can't minimize the amount of work that has gone into the transformation, but your drills and advice have been a huge reference point for me. Ty.
Glad to hear it!
Just Started my Olympic tri training. came by for some pointers and this is what I needed to hear. Thanks.
Generally really appreciate your advice. In this instance I'm going to challenge you a bit. There was no mention to using your core to rotate that streamlines behind your (hand-extension) entry position?
I've been using the TI technique- mainly to learn to relax in the water-but also found applying the techniques- hugh difference in my ability to move forward without exhausting myself. My kick is minimal two- stroke. Won't be breaking records but will come out of the water without being exhausted. Thoughts?
With respect, I feel the triathlete/pure swimmer divide is heavily exaggerated. For the vast majority, either way will produce an improvement. The slight differences between the two only really have an effect at the very very top end - it's a detail such as hand position on the aero bars. Rodriguez isn't having the huge successes with with swimmers because he is teaching them a triathlon specific stroke, he is doing so because he is a good teacher and working with swimmers who have substantial room for improvement. That former elite swimmer had problems not because the group consisted of triathletes, but because he is a poor teacher making assumptions about the level of her charges. Similar improvement would be shown if he taught a pool stroke. No need to worry about these differences until you are at least at a 1:20/100m pace and most people who are capable of that are swimmers who, due to training for years are able to adapt naturally and without thinking. Frankly I fail to see how splitting off triathlon freestyle as if it is almost a totally different stroke is anything other than confusing. There are different freestyle strokes but they are the hip driven, shoulder driven and hybrid forms, with a very subtle change to (in most swimmers) the hip driven stroke for open water.
The catch is the catch, you don't remember nine steps to the catch for a race in the same way that you do not remember all the aspects of the running stride, you ingrain it into your muscle memory through training and good practice. I just fail to see how you criticise attention to the details of the catch while differentiating pool and triathlon strokes when the differences are equivalent.
If you want to find a difference to emphasise, the difference between teaching adults vs teaching kids is much greater than poor swimmer vs triathlete and is much more likely to be the factor to blame for flexibility etc.
Part of this differentiation is to sell coaching. Fact is good mid d/distance freestylers have different slightly different strokes for 200 vs a 1500 ... open water is just a part of that progression. 1/2
AG Triathletes don't do enough swim specific strength work that facilitates better technique, getting stronger in the right way makes technique building easier... just the thoughts of a 41 year old swimmer/triathlete who still can swim 4:14/8:51/16:59 (400-800-1500) and yes I train all 4 strokes 2/2
Actually, it is not to sell coaching whatsoever. What I spoke about in this video was from specific experience, first-hand watching swim coaches try to coach age-group triathletes and giving them bad advice.
@@TriathlonTaren That's fair. I'm just saying it's more of a good coach/bad coach thing than a swimmer/triathlete thing.
No bad advice was given. You just disagreed based on your opinion. You said nothing fact based. You just said it doesn’t work because they have shit ankles 😂 anyone with half an ounce of free thought would pay zero attention your point of view purely based on the fact you didn’t give one single valid point as to why triathletes can’t do that drill. If you’re happy to accept you can’t do something first go then good on you. But I bet if you spent time practicing you would get there.
2019 is going to be a great year for me fixing my swim!
2019 will get over soon lol. Improved?
where do i get those bike racks that you have in your garage? great idea to hang the bike, and have the helmet and shoes with it organized and ready to go.
Thanks for the tips, when I use a kick board I go backwards. Any thoughts?
great vid mate....i really struggle with a 2 beat kick. i just cannot use my right leg for any kind of kick propulsion....any suggestions....thank you
That new Ventum on the trainer would look like the Tron bike if it were in blue. Also daim it looks good and i wish i had one.
You look so gangster water running!
While I understand your basic premise, that we all need to calm down about swim technique issues and filter our information carefully, I do believe that you missed the mark on this one. Your comments about triathlon swimming being less "complicated" (my terminology) than "elite pool swimmer" swimming sends the wrong message. You mentioned that there were 9 distinct components of the stroke and that was far to complicated to think of for triathlon. Triathlon is a game of improvement. Often subtle or small changes in technique that make us better, faster, and more efficient/productive in all three segments of the game. When we practice (train) it's these small-incremental changes in technique and their muscle memorization that make us better. When I started in triathlon, I told my swim coach that "I wanted to learn how to swim in triathlons". Her response was classic. She said, "first you learn to swim correctly, then we learn the triathlon part." Over the last 5 years, small changes in each part of the swim stroke (along with fitness improvements) have allowed me to finish the 2.4 miles in 1:40; then 1:23; then 1:10 and I hope for this year for a 1:00 swim finish. We are adults in this "game". We can handle understandng the differences between truly constructive criticism and BS. Race well.
Great video! - the 'superman/woman' cyclist/runner trying to improve their swimming requires a different approach. I've seen a couple of these in Tri classes lately with sad faces because they're working overtime to get it right and doing everything their coaches tell them but their legs and limbs are still sinky and inflexible. A different approach from coaching your average adult swimmer is sorely needed!
Someone needs to move to Penticton.
How do Tower26 feel about you using their drills on the team traniac platform?
Well Tower26 endorses Taren's program on his website so that pretty much answers that question. 😵😜
As Eric noted, everything I do with Gerry's program, Gerry knows about.
Bro i cant imagine it b3ing that cold that looks like hell the coldest ive ever been in is like 4 celcious
I ain’t never pushed a 1.5 ton log in water before.....
Just realized this video is 2 years old....haha pre covid boogeyman!
First comment again! Haha😂😂
Generally I like your videos. But just saying they can’t do it because we aren’t flexible is absolute BS. Like anything, if you can’t do it, practice it and you’ll get there. Pretty poor attitude you’ve got re just dismissing the swimmers drills. Especially given your view is completely opinion based and you backed it up with absolutely zero science. Pure opinion. No bueno champ