I can't believe how unsympathetic some people were on this post. Phil was hurting so much. I can feel his pain coming through and just feel so so sad for him.
He changed my life...he shaped my future...he will always be remembered for his genuine words and beautiful memories. Aren't we all a little nuts? Whether you can see it in yourself or not-we are. God love and bless him.
Nice how Phil calls Dylan a coward. Or maybe Train is talking. Maybe if Phil was a little less Leftist he might have found more success because he really had some great fantastic melodies and his lyrics were brilliant. Ever read "Ringing of Revolution" on paper? Amazing.
It's commonly thought that a large percentage of brilliant people are bi-polar or are something less than perfectly sane. Before Ochs became dissociative he was clever, smart, humorous and passionate or glib, depending on the situation. Early interviews were great. He can barely get through a sentence here. Here he says Dylan sold out - perhaps to deflect Dylan's criticism of him. Was he making a living in 1975? Was he in debt?
I didn't know the full audio for this existed. THANK YOU for posting. Phil's music and commentary has had a huge impact on me since 1970. This country hasn't wised up about war since Phil's day, but hopefully mental health awareness has improved somewhat. Sometimes I wish his family had forced his medication down his throat, and other times I think he was lucky to get out when he did, and he didn't have to see Elvis die. Bless you and rest you, Phil.
It's pretty clear to me that Phil was in the manic state of his bipolar disorder when this interview was conducted. How sad and tragic, yet altogether fascinating, to listen to this recording. Bless you, sweet man, forever.
Knowledge you would have a deeper understanding & a greater knowledge of the character of this Icon, he's genius though clearly unwell towers above all.
Andrew. Joseph Brough I don’t think he had drifted into schizophrenia. It’s clear to me he was manic and was having symptoms of psychosis which can look like schizophrenia.
phil really went off the deep end here. he was so brilliant. i'm just lucky i saw him perform. he was so great, funny and brilliant. thanks. and hello mr. glover.
Given out government's history of extinguishing truth speakers, activists and people at the forefront of Justice , equality and change, I would not pit it past the government being somehow involved with Phil's untimely death. People can be pushed and so pursued and disparaged that they can't takeout. How many great souls have been murdered or pushed to the edge. His voice was really strong and powerful. If he sang safe songs, he would have bene fine, and at the darling of the folk scene, but he could not do that.
Awesome recording. When I discovered Phil Ochs I was completely blown away by his songs. In reply to the remark below about him holding a cheap guitar, I've played with a few people who can make an old cheap guitar sound pretty good--besides Kays are alright. The remarks about Chile and the communists and Allende are very telling of the times. Thanks for posting.
After reading the lenghty excerpt of this in the Marc Eliot book, I really appreciated listening to the tone of Phil's voice. Thank you very much for posting.
His voice changed a lot after he got mugged in Tanzania, and when he adopted the Train persona. There are some interviews from before, when he sounds more like himself
The photo was by Alice Skinner when they were still living in Alice’s Apt above Jean Ray’s apt on Thompson Street. He got a better guitar later, a Gibson and went through a few and this one I heard got smashed in a subway turnstile. Ah, the good ol’ days.
The success of Blood on the tracks literally messing with his mind. Although I do wonder if there was a kind of psychological release singing in front of Dylan that day in Oct '75 that allowed John Train to begin winding down ? The time frame would fit on both accounts.
WhT a tragic figure Here breaks my heart that such a talented humenbeeing ended his life with the weight of the world on his shoulders at least he thought so
He's holding a dirt-cheap crummy guitar - not something he would perform or record with. This leads me back to questions of financial solvency at his death.
+SURFRUNNER D Phil was set up in Dallas as a Security Observer. In My opinion it was a CIA counter Intelligence operation to make it possible to blame the Left and Russia/Cuba. Look up James Angleton. I just wrote this about the Military and the use of tests in reply on whowhatwhy.org/2013/06/23/was-tamerlan-tsarnaev-a-double-agent-recruited-by-the-fbi/#comment-2613284611 JimGlover KevinChamberlin • 29 minutes ago Yes the drill or "test". I was told of the plot to kill JFK months before it happened. Of course I was being watched by FBI/CIA and before our Chartered Bus Music Tour (Hollywood Hootenanny) through Dallas, my wife and I were flown from LA to Mobile on a twin engine Domestic CIA Tiger Airlines DC3 to have a publicity Photo taken for the college tour which went through Dallas on to Key West and back which ended in Texas the Day JFK was killed. I thought I would be killed that night and on the way back to LA two Agents who said they were with NASA told me that FBI Hoover, earlier (who was on our shadow Extra bus after a secret airport Stop in Houston with the Bushes) Hoover they said, told them after I asked them "who shot President Kennedy?"... so they told me with some suspicion in their demeanor that Hoover said "It was a test that went bad and it wasn't the Cubans" A secret test that it seems I am the only living person who talks or has heard about it and "The Test" that (was set up to go bad) is the only way that so far the killers could get away with the Coup, and ambush in Dallas. It is a successful means of confusion and cover-up just like the test on 9/11. Drills, Tests, Exercises and War Games are what the military does every day so it is a natural cover in my opinion and I am Lucky to be alive!
In "Death of a rebel" it has been insinuated as well in connection to a separate incident. Seems to me he tried to sell out seeing everyone succeeding in that. But his conscience got the better of him
@@marcbolan1818 Yes, Dylan moved on. No one would dispute that. The part that I questioned, and you ignored for some reason, was the assertion that there was nothing left to protest. Nothing could be further from the truth. None of the things Ochs was protesting against were solved in his lifetime, and most persist to this day, some to lesser degree, some much worse. Dylan moved on because there was huge financial benefit for him to do so. You can admire him for that, but I take the exact opposite view.
@@trevorlambert4226 The largest flame for people like Phil was the Vietnam War. Phil fell apart after the troops came home and sought out similar causes in South America, etc. that were less publicized. Dylan picked up personal causes of injustice and certainly only rarely in his post 60’s catalogue. There is always a cause worth protesting, but sometimes you have to ask yourself if the protestor is just looking for a vehicle to self publicize and gain personal recognition.
The gentle soul is ripped apart and tossed into the fire.
yes
"everything you say can be used against you"
I'm glad he didn't kept silent and sang it all out.
I can't believe how unsympathetic some people were on this post. Phil was hurting so much. I can feel his pain coming through and just feel so so sad for him.
Well, he got what was coming, he got what he asked for this time, so love me love me.
@@JTThomas82 marxist doesn’t equal liberal
Phil was beautiful.
I love Phil, *but you made me laugh!
Thank you.
(*but or that's why)
He changed my life...he shaped my future...he will always be remembered for his genuine words and beautiful memories. Aren't we all a little nuts? Whether you can see it in yourself or not-we are. God love and bless him.
Did you ever see Phil on Mort Sahl's Show back in the 60s?
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Nice how Phil calls Dylan a coward. Or maybe Train is talking. Maybe if Phil was a little less Leftist he might have found more success because he really had some great fantastic melodies and his lyrics were brilliant. Ever read "Ringing of Revolution" on paper? Amazing.
This was almost a suicide note, this is disturbing to listen too.
Very painful to listen to this. He should have been hospitalized but wouldn't go. He was a gift to mankind.
paul dano would be perfect to play him
It's commonly thought that a large percentage of brilliant people are bi-polar or are something less than perfectly sane.
Before Ochs became dissociative he was clever, smart, humorous and passionate or glib, depending on the situation. Early interviews were great. He can barely get through a sentence here. Here he says Dylan sold out - perhaps to deflect Dylan's criticism of him. Was he making a living in 1975? Was he in debt?
I didn't know the full audio for this existed. THANK YOU for posting. Phil's music and commentary has had a huge impact on me since 1970. This country hasn't wised up about war since Phil's day, but hopefully mental health awareness has improved somewhat. Sometimes I wish his family had forced his medication down his throat, and other times I think he was lucky to get out when he did, and he didn't have to see Elvis die. Bless you and rest you, Phil.
This breaks my heart.
It's pretty clear to me that Phil was in the manic state of his bipolar disorder when this interview was conducted. How sad and tragic, yet altogether fascinating, to listen to this recording. Bless you, sweet man, forever.
am c You obviously have no insight into the human psyche this suffered from bi polar & later developed accute schizophrenia perhaps if you had more
Knowledge you would have a deeper understanding & a greater knowledge of the character of this Icon, he's genius though clearly unwell towers above all.
Andrew. Joseph Brough I don’t think he had drifted into schizophrenia. It’s clear to me he was manic and was having symptoms of psychosis which can look like schizophrenia.
People are so unkind. He was so ill.
phil really went off the deep end here. he was so brilliant. i'm just lucky i saw him perform. he was so great, funny and brilliant. thanks. and hello mr. glover.
I’d be willing to bet that there’s more “truth” in what Phil is saying than you would ever imagine because of HOW he is saying it...
Given out government's history of extinguishing truth speakers, activists and people at the forefront of Justice , equality and change, I would not pit it past the government being somehow involved with Phil's untimely death. People can be pushed and so pursued and disparaged that they can't takeout. How many great souls have been murdered or pushed to the edge. His voice was really strong and powerful. If he sang safe songs, he would have bene fine, and at the darling of the folk scene, but he could not do that.
Kind of painful to hear, but thanks a lot for posting. When was this recorded?
Wow I hear it now... and that is the guitar Phil won off me in a bet on the election of 1960.
Awesome recording. When I discovered Phil Ochs I was completely blown away by his songs. In reply to the remark below about him holding a cheap guitar, I've played with a few people who can make an old cheap guitar sound pretty good--besides Kays are alright. The remarks about Chile and the communists and Allende are very telling of the times. Thanks for posting.
This must be after he was attacked-his voice sounds different. He also sounds bat-shit crazy-almost as if he WANTS people to believe he was crazy.
Yeah. He suffered psychotic break and became this.. John Train. Even speaks in third person. Disturbing as fuck
After reading the lenghty excerpt of this in the Marc Eliot book, I really appreciated listening to the tone of Phil's voice. Thank you very much for posting.
His voice changed a lot after he got mugged in Tanzania, and when he adopted the Train persona. There are some interviews from before, when he sounds more like himself
The photo was by Alice Skinner when they were still living in Alice’s Apt above Jean Ray’s apt on Thompson Street. He got a better guitar later, a Gibson and went through a few and this one I heard got smashed in a subway turnstile. Ah, the good ol’ days.
JimGlover1 Do you know who Phil was with when he taped this?
Harry Smith
@@Rambo2ny Wow! What a pairing: Smith & Ochs!!
The success of Blood on the tracks literally messing with his mind. Although I do wonder if there was a kind of psychological release singing in front of Dylan that day in Oct '75 that allowed John Train to begin winding down ? The time frame would fit on both accounts.
I'm very interested to hear the end of this story. Do you have more?
the days are longer with smaller prizes
I really wonder if that story about Dylan he's talking about at the 11th minute actually happened.
It is a metaphor obviously. He said that about several of the John Train/Phil Ochs stories.
Well, the backgammon match against an assassin happened to him, not Dylan (as far as I know...).
"Why don't you have a cigar, and don't inhale it, change your life" - Phil Ochs
I wonder if this Phil Ochs talking. The stream of consciousness is brilliant who ever it is.
Oh my god....
WhT a tragic figure Here breaks my heart that such a talented humenbeeing ended his life with the weight of the world on his shoulders at least he thought so
that s him in photo iN callas DeFallas as trying to upset as LHO the assassination the ears David Bazinet on FB
He's holding a dirt-cheap crummy guitar - not something he would perform or record with. This leads me back to questions of financial solvency at his death.
This photo was early on
yukonnoka, how did you get this recording?
still trying to figure out why Phil Ochs appeared to be present at jfk's assassination. there was more to this guy than meets the eye. cointelpro?
+SURFRUNNER D Phil was set up in Dallas as a Security Observer. In My opinion it was a CIA counter Intelligence operation to make it possible to blame the Left and Russia/Cuba. Look up James Angleton. I just wrote this about the Military and the use of tests in reply on whowhatwhy.org/2013/06/23/was-tamerlan-tsarnaev-a-double-agent-recruited-by-the-fbi/#comment-2613284611
JimGlover KevinChamberlin • 29 minutes ago
Yes the drill or "test". I was told of the plot to kill JFK months before it happened. Of course I was being watched by FBI/CIA and before our Chartered Bus Music Tour (Hollywood Hootenanny) through Dallas, my wife and I were flown from LA to Mobile on a twin engine Domestic CIA Tiger Airlines DC3 to have a publicity Photo taken for the college tour which went through Dallas on to Key West and back which ended in Texas the Day JFK was killed. I thought I would be killed that night and on the way back to LA two Agents who said they were with NASA told me that FBI Hoover, earlier (who was on our shadow Extra bus after a secret airport Stop in Houston with the Bushes) Hoover they said, told them after I asked them "who shot President Kennedy?"... so they told me with some suspicion in their demeanor that Hoover said "It was a test that went bad and it wasn't the Cubans" A secret test that it seems I am the only living person who talks or has heard about it and "The Test" that (was set up to go bad) is the only way that so far the killers could get away with the Coup, and ambush in Dallas. It is a successful means of confusion and cover-up just like the test on 9/11. Drills, Tests, Exercises and War Games are what the military does every day so it is a natural cover in my opinion and I am Lucky to be alive!
In "Death of a rebel" it has been insinuated as well in connection to a separate incident. Seems to me he tried to sell out seeing everyone succeeding in that. But his conscience got the better of him
Phil didn’t pivot when folk music no longer had anything to protest against.
Um, what? There never ceased to be plenty of things to protest against.
@@trevorlambert4226 Dylan moved on and Phil clung on.
@@marcbolan1818 Yes, Dylan moved on. No one would dispute that. The part that I questioned, and you ignored for some reason, was the assertion that there was nothing left to protest. Nothing could be further from the truth. None of the things Ochs was protesting against were solved in his lifetime, and most persist to this day, some to lesser degree, some much worse. Dylan moved on because there was huge financial benefit for him to do so. You can admire him for that, but I take the exact opposite view.
@@trevorlambert4226 The largest flame for people like Phil was the Vietnam War. Phil fell apart after the troops came home and sought out similar causes in South America, etc. that were less publicized. Dylan picked up personal causes of injustice and certainly only rarely in his post 60’s catalogue. There is always a cause worth protesting, but sometimes you have to ask yourself if the protestor is just looking for a vehicle to self publicize and gain personal recognition.
@Hannah No doubt about. Alchohol abuse/depression a major factor in his demise. Shame.
Train wreak.