Ranking Every Subclass Aspect in Destiny 2 for Endgame PvE
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:53 Arc Soul
02:32 Banner of War
03:29 Bastion
04:30 Bleak Watcher
05:09 Chaos Accelerant
06:20 Child of the Old Gods
06:54 Consecration
07:53 Controlled Demolition
08:39 Cryoclasm
09:03 Diamond Lance
09:43 Drengr's Lash
10:12 Electrostatic Mind
10:53 Ensnaring Slam
11:20 Feed the Void
12:11 Flechette Storm
12:54 Flow State
14:07 Frostpulse
14:58 Glacial Harvest
15:41 Grim Harvest
16:21 Gunpowder Gamble
17:02 Heat Rises
17:57 Howl of the Storm
18:36 Icarus Dash
19:30 Iceflare Bolts
20:12 Into the Fray
21:14 Juggernaut
21:47 Knock 'em Down
22:52 Knockout
24:10 Lethal Current
25:14 Lightning Surge
25:51 Mindspun Invocation
26:47 Offensive Bulwark
27:48 On Your Mark
28:50 Roaring Flames
29:41 Shatterdive
30:21 Sol Invictus
31:07 Stylish Executioner
31:51 Tectonic Harvest
32:44 Tempest Strike
33:20 The Wanderer
34:25 Threaded Specter
35:07 Touch of Flame
35:52 Touch of Thunder
36:54 Touch of Winter
37:45 Trapper's Ambush
38:03 Vanishing Step
38:27 Weaver's Call
39:16 Weavewalk
40:13 Whirling Maelstrom
40:51 Widow's Silk
42:04 Winter's Shroud
42:42 Outro 
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Disclaimer: I know some of you guys are (rightfully) disgruntled at some of the placements, specifically Weavewalk and Threaded Specter - I made this list in a very limited time window and admittedly did not have enough time this season to explore all the builds that I wanted to in my build series. Frankly, I don't particularly enjoy spending an hour+ sitting down and talking at length about every single element of x subset in this game, but I've decided it's kind of a necessary sacrifice in order to create a baseline that I can then update in future seasons without having to make a comprehensive video ever again. Next season, I will literally be playing any and all aspects/fragments/exotics to their fullest extent, and so I'll develop a much more precise understanding of how everything really feels in endgame content.
Basically, I made these two tier lists in a rush so that next season, hopefully I can produce a more insightful and accurate discussion of subclasses and builds in endgame content without spending 3 hours talking about everything that already exists, since most of it will already be ranked. Thankfully, we are mostly out of the woods when it comes to me ever needing to make full tier list videos ever again, since I think I've ranked almost everything that I think I'd care to rank at this point. Thanks for your understanding :)
Weavewalk should stay where it is, it takes too long to generate the threadlings for offense, and for defense the total duration is too low.
Spectre could probably have gone at the same tier as invis dodge. Since they both De agro PvE enemies from you
@@thecanadiankiwibirb4512 Weavewalk is awesome. Near invincibility on demand is amazing, you only need it to last long enough to reposition behind cover (and maybe drop a rift). The threadling generation is mostly a way to use it during some downtime to build up damage for the next fight.
You can also perform a finisher from within the weavewalk which can make it a great way to finish off a champ.
@@thecanadiankiwibirb4512 wth do you mean the duration is low, 3 whole ass charges you are complaining about duration? weavewalk should be used as a mean to get out of sticky situations or until your to starts to regen, not tanking nukes ffs.
watched the whole video in 82 seconds and i agree with 44% of it
Respect
Bungie deciding Consecration needs a buff but Lightning Surge and Tempest Strike don't is blatantly idiotic
Tempest strike should have never been an aspect. At least Lightning surge provides that teleport.
That said they’re both weak and that’s why the build variety for both Arcstriders and Stormcallers is so nonexistent
@@zachgiovannelli2626it feels like they intentionally made arc 3.0 worse because of how strong Solar and void were and didn’t want to have to nerf it in anyway after release.
Yeah they need to do more with other slide melee. At least for lightning surge, they make it so that each lightning bolt can target the same enemy. So against single target, it will hit really hard but can still add clear when dealing with adds.
Maybe can also make you amplified when used. While amplified, it will create more lightning bolts. Reduce damage in PvP so it will never kill with one lightning surge melee but Pve damage remains the same.
It's like real life... The rich get richer and the poor stay poor... Lol
@@zachgiovannelli2626 the fact that Tempest Strike is an aspect while combination blow isn't still baffles me to this day. How is health and full dodge energy on a melee kill, combined with an escalating damage buff wrapped up in a single melee ability? Compared to "jolting wave" which has to take up an entire aspect slot.
I think the only design decision that's confused me as much as that is making the Pale Heart auto a legendary.
Shatter dive at F is slander.
The amount of Lfg shatter-fails brings it to S alone.
Not gonna lie I learned shatter skating and well skating in root of nightmares while waiting for people on chasm. It's such a fun mechanic. And it's such a gateway to learning the other skates, like doing it no ledge, bubble skate, all sorts of important tricks. And you can't tell me that it isn't fun to play it in pvp. Just swing through eternity and fly at the enemy team with silence and squall on the entire team.
for endgame pve, it's not doing anything. sure it's very fun, but imagine taking this through a GM or a contest raid.
@@smellycat57 im taking it in day 1 for jump puzzles only
Hahaha it does carry some sentimental value
I’m gonna sound corny but idk if I could play a d3 without skating 😂. It’s become such an everyday thing for me that without it I feel so slow
Banner of war was probably the most meta-defining aspect we ever gotten in the game, so far... Who at Bingo sat down and was like "how about titans get a massive AoE healing, a lot of melee damage increase (that also works on glaives) and gives sword damage and it refreshes on kills, even when allies kill enemies" and in the same breath say "nerf stompies"
I've never considered banner of war to be the problem, before it was a thing, strand titan was top notch to begin with, the triple charge on frenzied blade +200% synthos buff + woven mail + one-two punch + grapple melee were more than enough to make strand titan the best subclass to one shot almost every enemy, banner of war is just a pulsating restoration with a 15% melee buff i don't understand why people target this aspect as the sole cause of strand titan being op.
sorry if my English is bad, its not my first language lol.
@@joaquin4779 I think it is just that BoW pushed syntho/wormgods strand builds just enough for them to become god tier of damage. And the extra melee damage with tractor cannon makes it do high amounts of burst DPS.
Also don't worry about your english, it is also my second language
@@joaquin4779 banner of war bonus melee damage scales up with wormgods and sythos that’s why it is able to solo raid bosses, yes it’s not the sole reason berserker is op but is super op and brings strand titan to the next level
What does Hunter pvp exotic balancing have to do with Banner of War
@@CL-vw5bb facts lmao, how is that related.
Shatterskating is fun as hell, I don't care if its not meta by standard of a build, its the shit just flying around like that on a hunter and being able to smack down nice and easy. All for free even if you mess up
This
I think the Wanderer is underrated. If you are playing strand right you’ll be making a tangle nearly every 10 seconds. This basically turns them into a free shackle grenade or if playing at range a mini suspending landmine.
My personal issue with it is that thrown wanderer tangles only deal about a fifth of the normal explosion damage of a tangle (they do work normally when shot), and while the suspend is nice chances are I’m running either mindspun weavers trance or Wishkeeper so I already have as much suspend as I need and wanderer has a negative tradeoff I don’t love
Holy shit another one, lfg. You're spoiling us with the pre final shape content
somebody finally puts some respect on heat rises. Any time I play my Warlock I get clowned for using heat rises over icarus dash. I'm never in a situation where i need the dash, meanwhile me eating my healing nades is keeping them alive when they dont even realize it
What flavor are solar grenades?
@@Tigerwarrior200spicy
heat rises + icarus dash is the way to play bracers, I'm a heretic I know
@life-destiny1196 without touch of flame sun bracers isn’t nearly as effective
@@life-destiny1196 sorry but if ur running sunbracers w/o touch of flame u are literally tossing 😭
The existing Glacial Harvest cooldown of six shards into fifteen second downtime is truly one of the decisions of all time. And they’re gonna add cooldowns to the other shards aspects next update
To be fair, even with the cooldown there will be very little if any downtime on frost armor, side note wicked implement will be strong for easy frost armor without aspects
@@nathanflinchum1153 I haven’t heard anyone mention Wicked Implement being able to bypass Glacial Harvest cooldown, but in the event it doesn’t and glacial harvest + other shard aspects retain that fifteen second downtime, it wouldn’t align with frost armour thirteen second uptime.
Also, adding a cooldown on shard generation is gonna severely hurt current behemoth given how they print unlimited shards to just spam everything
@@solitudebeta5579 I’m not saying it’s gonna be perfect, but I don’t think the cooldown will have a major impact on frost armor, time will tell with the Wicked Implement shards though, that’d definitely make the gun a little more useful generally
@@solitudebeta5579wicked implement generates its own shards though
Ignoring the point of the video, at the end of the day, each aspect's ranking can increase or decrease depending on the build. Don't be afraid to use the lower tier aspects because you believe them to be obsolete.
Yeah of course, this list was really more of an academic exercise than anything and isn't meant to be restrictive
sure but some fragments and the associated builds are better than others
I say the only placement I disagree with is threaded specter. That should be A tier. It gives strand hunter a temporary usage and survivability of void hunter and can be a life saver in harder content. Especially if you pair it with exotics like sixth coyote and assassin’s cowl.
But it's just a worse invis and I think that's the point of the video is to compare the aspects to each other.
@@SlongestKongest You’re not wrong. And yes I know the point of the video was comparing it to other aspects, but I think Aegis really underestimated how useful it is. And one benefit with threaded specter compared to basic invis is you can pair it with whirling maelstorm. Whereas with exotic’s like Orpheus, omnioculus or gryfalcons, the invis aspects don’t provide much.
Not with threaded specter, it provides that same utility but still allows you to pair something offensive alongside it.
@@SlongestKongestHonestly I feel like it’s a stronger invisibility because you’re able to use your weapons while the decoy is up
@@TomIsQuestionable good point. But at the same time enemies don't always shoot the spector
It can die quickly and the more you shoot the less likely it is to work.
Both have thier ups and down but imo invis is more reliable
I'm getting that vibe from a lot of the feedback here and I will certainly reevaluate it come next season in order to place it more accurately after playing more builds
Finally someone who understands how much better heat rises is than Icarus dash
But Icarus dash let’s me go zoom zoom, I take the dash
yeah fuck heat rises I love the Icky Dash (I still use heat rises over it 😔)
@@denny8422 are you guys telling me that you dont use HR when you use ID? (I love ID but I never use it.)
Touch is like not good in most situations
@@tyb7.5 touch of flame is one of the best aspects in the game wtf
As much as I love lightning surge in terms of using it. It feels very weak compare to other slide melees.
Few changes I want to point out is changing the behavior and adding new features. Lightning bolts can now target the same enemy to improve its single target. It can still target multiple when dealing with adds.
Using lightning surge now amplifies you. While amplified, it will create more lightning bolts. Balance the PvP damage so it will never kill with one use regardless if you're amplified or not.
This makes lightning surge more potent and gives more accessible way to gain amplified.
Yeah those would be some nice changes
Can’t wait to see all the people malding about Icarus dash
Honestly not that bad, more people were upset about Weavewalk and Threaded Specter (understandably so, this list was a little rushed and will be revised next season)
Osmiomancy warlock doesnt really need any help keeping large groups of enemies frozen for as long as you want, so grim harvest for oversheild + armor charge on shards kinda seems like the only good pick there.
Just wanted to add some things about diamond lance and cryoclasm. Cryoclasm does still shatter crystals with your base slide w/o the charge up, but i still agree with the rating. Diamond lance on the other hand, gives 3 fragment slots on top of crowd control and changes the way you play. It should be C or B tier IMO.
Diamond lance in a vacuum itself is pretty bad, you need to kill with stasis, dmg or ability, to get it.
And when you do, it just gives you freeze, when a stasis titan is based all around crystals and shards. And sacrificing Howl for Dlance doesn't feel good for me in a crystal generator build.
Why waste your aspect slot on shattering crystals when you can already instantly shatter up to three crystals with one uncharged melee?
Diamond Lance Titan and Threadling Spam Warlock are 2 of my favorite builds in the game but they are definitely only used in normal mode raids and lower level content. Minions have always been my favorite builds in games so I am sad Threadlings don't do more in late game but I guess that's fine. Still fun for doing basic day to day stuff in the game.
Oh also is Weavewalk is great for tanking shadow Rhulk in Pantheon as it is a guaranteed way to get past him without getting unlucky and getting double hit. Glaives could also be used for the in theory but I feel the shield comes up too slow and you cant move a a reasonable pace with them. Guess that only really matters for how long Pantheon is around for.
Absolutely cracked videos. Any chance you can make a video showcasing one build for each subclass, utilising the higher tier aspects/fragments
He has said he is doing a build for every exotic in a work in progress video. So you may see some stuff there
Thank you for putting Icarus Dash in E tier 🙏
Wander is straight up a free suspending grenade every 10 seconds. It is constantly keeping enemies suspended and can be easily activated. If you have and form of strand debuff on the enemy and get 1 kill you can suspend an entire group of adds. I find it way better than the other strand warlock aspects and would say it is at least C tier. It works with all warlock strand builds, keeps suspend up every 10 seconds and is super easy to activate. The hunter suspend dive requires you to use an ability which takes 20 seconds to recharge and to get close to the adds which is a bad thing to do in most endgame content. It is crazy to me to see that in B tier but the warlock aspect in E tier.
Will probably reevaluate next season :)
I think widow's silk is useful in pve for utility reasons above all else. Its great mobility, low cooldown, high uptime, instant reload, grapple melee applies unravel, and with cyrtarachne's is free woven mail. Sure we have thread of warding but having to make an orb of power and grab isnt difficult, its still another step you have to do which is harder to do when you're trying to do something like grabbing nez's or golgy's gaze. I can see it's c tier placement but just wanted to add onto why it's not bad
Whirling Maelstrom has always felt pretty good, my first Onslaught build was Maelstrom focused with Buried Bloodline to let me tangles keep my devour going while I was doing objectives. Big fan of that one, but Orpheus is the only thing that feels consistently viable in Onslaught now.
YAYY, Aegis posted a new video!!!🗣️
The gunpowder gamble ranking is insane. It’s the most useful aspect for me on solar hunter by far!
It's certainly fun to play with but I don't think it's anywhere near as strong as the aspects above it
gotta disagree a bit with the ranking for the strand clone, yes other forms of invisibility have better uptime, but this invisibility doesnt stop when you do anything, you can shoot and use all you other abilities as you wish, which makes it quite a bit better in my opinion than most other invis aspects the void hunter has on its own (though the entire void hunter kit obviously boosts the viability of normal invis a lot more) depending on how much longer it will stay on the field with the nex exo it could become a decent survivability tool for strand and prismatic hunter now that the woven mail uptime is lowe r if you dont want to use grapple.
Fair analysis, I was really just dissuaded by the decreased class regen post-use and the uncertainty of whether or not it really behaves truly like Void Invisibility, which I believe the Compendium functionally equates the two
Gacial harvest can be used for grenade kickstart with the armor charges you can gain from it. Allowing to easily loop coldsnaps with Osmiomancy. Maybe I just think that build is better than it actually is but I dont think it should be ranked that low.
You can say that about almost every elemental object creation aspect, and even some fragments! I don't think that's really a reason to rate it higher
I feel like Winter's Shroud is going to be so good (free DR on dodge, any slow recharges the dodge, 2 dodges freeze which will go hard with combination blow+prismatic) that to give it a D rating now feels early. Not that, of course, right now the D rating isn't deserved. Just feels like this would've been nice to put out after Final Shape! Otherwise great vid, pretty solid list all around. Definitely seeing the Titan-dominance in that S tier lmao.
100% radiant uptime with that and being able to create ignitions is gonna be fun, and with grapple on top hopefully stacking with comb blow
For this tier list I get it, especially because aspects on standalone. But...
The hate on flechette storm still blows my mind. I've used banner + flechette + synthos in countless PvE activities, GMs, pantheon, you name it!
Flechette is phenomenal for setting up unravel detonation of large clusters of adds when you want to snipe a cluster from far away. It does insane damage on its own.
Yes synthos you are questioning for sniping but with the up time we've had linger from synthos I've had flechette + synthos + banner uptime insanely potent.
Damage targets with tangle to get melee back to compensate for skipping on tangle grants woven mail + melee Regen is totally doable you'd be surprised.
Granted, in TFS synthos is definitely not the play for this. But I am excited to try the new titan arms at some point
I tried Flechette after the ACD/0 interaction got nerfed via kickstarts and I have to say it was quite disappointing, maybe my thoughts will have changed since then but I strongly doubt it
Weave walk is really good, you just need to know how to use it. It's a get out of jail free card that has an insanely high uptime as long as you invest the smallest amount of build crafting into it. I literally don't even run thread of warding anymore, because I don't need to be worrying about taking damage half the time.
1 frag slot unfortunately
I'll consider reevaluating it and integrating it into some Broodweaver builds next season
Dammit I had to redo all my DIM builds after that Fragment tier list! Now I gotta do it again. Stop changing my opinions Aegis! (fr tho, awesome knowledge dumps. Top tier content.) Also love how this is practically a Subclass tier list.
It's pretty insane to think about that 1 Broodweaver aspect is in C tier while the rest are in E tier, yet, somehow, Broodweave itself is a really solid subclass.
It is really only so for dps, which is something I believe even Aegis has touched on at some point. The strand kit for warlocks is absolutely horrendous outside of the super and the rotations it allows for.
@@julioforessi1336 With mindspun + wanderer I was able to lock enemies down as good as Tether Hunters in Onslaught to the point when people complained that enemies don't even get to their Tether. It was without any Necrotic Grips or Osteo Striga.
I also love my GM setup with Weavewalk and thread of Fury which allows for insane threading and invis uptime.
Both cases, however, use Swarmers which is pretty much essential for Broodweaver to feel as good as it does.
My only complaint is that Broodweaver really lacks cool identity defining abilities. It's really just about spawning a ton of threadings which is fun, but flavorless because everyone class can spawn threadings to a degree.
@@andreymavian3400 it really isnt orpheus tether beats it so utterly its not even a comparison.
@@Blanktester685 I mean, I played a tonn of Onslaught on both Tether and Mindspun build with other people also doing it.
In my personal experience, Broodweaver was as good at locking enemies down as Tether all with just neutral game. I don't know, maybe I was just better on Warlock, but at the same time, if you think about Tether Hunter doesn't take that much skill in Onslaught anyway so maybe people write Broodweaver off because they can't play him properly.
Another huge advantage of Broodweaver - amazing super which melts big targets when they spawn in Onslaught.
Flechette storm is really fun with the build that makes you able to spam it forever if you keep hitting in in lower tier content
That interaction got nerfed heavily if you're talking about ACD/0 + kickstarts
@@TheAegisRelicNOOOOO
Hey aegis. The final shape is in 3 days and I was wondering if you could make a quick video on how to prep for it.
Oh boy do I have the videos for you
My biggest gripe with Lethal Current is that if IT gets the kill instead of Combination Blow, your loop is broken. And you’re stuck with no dodge and CBx3 counting down. Something has to change about it.
Which is why it wasn’t a problem in Witch Queen. We had Elemental Wells. More specifically, Well of Ions (temporary increased melee damage). I miss Elemental Wells.
If you don't get a refresh you don't consume your powered melee so it's not too bad
I really think tempest strike is better than it's given credit for in content like gms. Trying to combo blow your way through without assassin's cowl is suicide, and I thought much of the rating wasn't supposed to be around supporting exotics, like with contraverse and chaos accelerant. With threaded spectre and weavewalk too, they do more than you give credit for. Most people aren't going to be executing perfectly 100% of the time, so in a vacuum sure they aren't that great. However, they give good survivability (and weavewalk also allows you to convert melee charge into threadlings for swarmers locks) which is important for when perfect execution doesn't happen.
Tend to agree with tempest strike. Just started using it for a change, given it will give damage resistance, ie 23 May announcement for TFS: ”Added additional damage resistance vs. PvE combatants when activated, lingering for a short duration after the attack.”
33:00 I don't think lethal current is actually that bad.
I've been testing it out and I like it as you can build around spamming it alot and I use it as another way to jolt.
And yes you can do that with your melee however in gms you will die most of the time.
I think you're rating them with cowl in mind and yea with cowl you are fairly safe but without it your survivability isn't to good as you don't have any health regen.
Additionally looking at the compendium, flow state doubles your class ability charge rate, halving the cooldown of your already short gambler's dodge, giving you even better uptime on tempest strike/disorienting blow. Tempest strike doesn't even increase the cooldown of disorienting to boot, not that it matters much since you're going to be looping melee with your dodge anyway with that kind of setup, and disorienting blow even provides amplified.
@@paletuna2703agree - I’m also using tempest strike with disorienting blow and flow state, and synergy works well
But weavewalk provides only 1 fragment, and in exchange it allows you to consume your melee charges at a rampant speed just so that you can get a niche effect. It seems strong in comparison with the other trash aspects that we have for strand warlock, but the 1 fragment treatment in my opinion completely murders it.
Threadlinga should actually melee attack enemies multiple times instead of just throwing themselves and exploding. Make them feel more like actual summons instead of just grounded axion grenades
Have each one do a melee attack, and then if the enemy is still alive, explode on them, and if they’re not, go find another enemy to explode on? That would go a good ways I think.
good vid but you misunderstand how broken op threaded spectre is after the buff it got. its like invis but you can shoot. enemies just entirely ignore you.
I will certainly reevaluate its position next season when I try more builds with it :)
@@TheAegisRelic aight
icarus got violated man
Definitely a feel good aspect and as a speedrunner of course I have it on a lot but realistically it doesn't hold much water against the other more functional aspects
Roaring flame should be top C or bottom B, It also empowers normal melee just like Offensive Bulwark and Knockout.
But the benefits of Roaring Flame is the duration, it's a 20s timer, refreshable with empowered melee or it's own effect. Only downside is the damage ramping from tier 1 to tier 3 and the condition of requiring a kill instead of breaking shield or have VOvershield.
Knockout cannot be refreshed and is a 6s timer, OBulwark is tied to VO timer and immediately become useless when you lose VO.
And, if you have Sol Invictus + Roaring but no hammer, normal empowered punches will spawn sunspots, in turn gives ability regen.
This. Normal melees with Roaring Flames also scorch enemies and two punches will cause an ignition. Very good utility.
Roaring Flames melees do scorch which is nice, but to be honest I've never really thought that the unpowered melee conversion thing was super useful on any subclass not just solar (I think I just happened to forget mentioning it on solar), and while the uptime is good, the boosts are just so middling compared to a lot of other aspect boosts
Why does bro have 134 resilience 💀
Haha it's an empty loadout
You should do a video looking at the final shape artifact
I might but I probably won't since that discussion will be integrated into other videos I'm making soon
Lol @ the threaded specter take, wild
I will certainly reevaluate this list next season after trying a lot more builds, including Threaded Specter :)
Man I’m going to fall behind on Aegis content at this rate
Wow... Broodweaver was murdered
I hope the new Titan exotic elevates flechette storm. Its such a cool ability
I’m really surprised by the placement of sustain abilities like vanishing step, threaded specter, and weavewalk. Also movement aspects like shatterdive and Icarus dash. I feel like an aspect has a niche use, but that niche is extremely prevalent in an endgame activity like raid mechanics or GMs then it should be rated pretty highly
I certainly wouldn't call any of those extremely prevalent in S23 D2 compared to what exists in the upper tiers
I think Derenger's lash should at keast be in C Tier if not B Tier.
It's got more potential in Endgame PvE than Ensnaring slam since it's more ranged, as well as Abeyant Leaps giving free Woven Mail every time you use it with the sheer amount of space it takes being way better than Hunter.
With the fragments themselves the cooldown is also pretty short.
I know that's technically not the aspekt just by itself, but Abeyant leaps was made for it so I'd argue rating it without that isn't fair.
Like rating T crash without cuirass, since the ability is obviously balanced around the Exotic.
I don't think it's a filler option.
It only is atm because BoW is so insanely strong.
I'll certainly take note of reranking it when I try my Abeyant build next season
I wish we got whirling maelstrom on prismatic
Any consecration and roaring flames chads?
Subclass abilities next perhaps??
ranking every aegis tier list when
Did you take fragment slots into consideration?
For the outliers yes
I'd say I was 95% agreeable with your fragments ranking... maybe 65% agreeable with this. Still, very valuable insight.
I really struggled with placements on this one ngl, very difficult to rank fundamentally different aspects against each other compared to fragments that are largely trying to achieve similar power results
The best revenent aspect being low C tier makes me sad. Hopefully the coming patch changes this for the better
Lowkey I don’t like lethal current especially with it stealing kills and making combination blow a pain to maintain. Rather dodge punch 5 enemies then have the aftershock
If you just want to turn your brain off with this playstyle and not think about maintaining the stacks then yes, it's annoying, but if you are just a little methodical with your decisions, like using the weapon to lower enemy's health to finish them off with the punch itself, it's not a big deal. At least Prismatic you will get the solid playstyle you want without lethal current
I’m going to echo a sentiment I’ve seen here. But I feel like you’ve underestimated threaded spectre. I will admit that the two threadlings it spawns are gimmicks in pve, but I don’t think that is the intended appeal for it anyway (it feels like the threadlings are the equivalent of sprinkles on a cupcake). The decoy is excellent at pulling aggro, and unlike normal invisibility you can still shoot your weapons while still being relatively safe. I also like using the spectre as a makeshift barricade against snipers while getting a revive in things like gms. Now sure it’d be easier to just use invis with omnioculus, but it’s less fun. Plus a lot of times, a teammate will instantly shoot out of invis anyway.
Anyhow here’s my hot take. I hate using heat rises despite how strong it is because of how it changes warlock jump. Sure I may have restoration x2 and infinite melee energy, but my movement is so awkward feeling that I’d rather just get restoration x2 from a healing nade and sacrifice my grenade’s ability to damage.
I may reevaluate Threaded Specter next season when I try the Sixth Coyote build listed in the spreadsheet, as I feel you guys have made some valid points... as for Heat Rises, that's a pain everyone knows haha, running Heat/Touch really feels super immobile and floaty for lack of a better term
I cannot believe this bastion slander
Hahaha
why is flechette storm questionable? ranged banner of war procs can be pretty good and it actually does more damage than frenzied blade as well as unravels and technically has more charges if you dump all your shots into 1 enemy... I know that strand titan's other aspects are 500x better and synergise much more but in reality that just stems from them being broken OP while flechette storm is actually far above average.
When I tried Flechette + ACD/0 postnerf I was severely disappointed but I might try it again if you guys really feel strongly about it
Yeah that weavewalk opinion is crazy. It’s fucking broken in GMs. It’s a get out of jail free card in a pinch, and generating threadlings between encounters with it is a great side benefit. Also provides a good use for an otherwise useless melee
There are plenty of get out of jail free cards in D2, and most of the other ones don't require you to sacrifice a fragment slot as well as almost any offensive utility you might get out of another aspect in order to use them
@@TheAegisRelic But none of them give you a 80% DR like weavewalk. Aegis please bro review it again use it in a threadlings build its nuts
@@lumpiestobject5147 my favorite warlock strand build is Wanderer + Weavewalk with shackle nade. Run the Threadling exotic legs and Final Warning.
For fragments, the Orb = Woven Mail one, the Threadling one, and the Tangles give Melee energy one.
You have CONSTANT threadlings, unravel for days and a huge safety net. Add in a Puglist/Hatchling Rufus’s fury instead if you’re struggling with melee energy.
It’s so good, and it’s so fun, too!
i will not take this weavewalk slander
Vendor tier list please
I really disagree with the premise of rating each aspect in isolation when they are all meant to be parts of a whole, albeit some muuuuch better than others. Still love your sandbox breakdowns Aegis.
Yeah it was a little bit of both, I considered both aspects in isolation but also how they contributed to the subclass they come from
I’ll never forgive Bungie for ruining top tree Dawn by splitting its identity into two aspects. They should have been combined into one and actually made an effort to give it an original third aspect.
Reduce fragment slots on Heat Rises, roll Icarus dash into it, create another 3 slot aspect that adds some extra healing effect to non-healing grenades to capture the old vibe of middle dawn?
@@elizabethhicks4181 knowing Bungie they would have just given it a slide melee that take a dawnblade sword and creates a scorching fan or something 😂. But I love you idea
Wow, one hunter aspect made it to A tier with none in S.
Goes to show where a power vacuum is.
Juggernaut over Flechette Storm is insanity
Will reevaluate next season :P
(spoilers for the video) Here's where the Prismatic aspects isolated from the tierlist (this ofc excludes prismatic synergy and any changes the aspect or subclass are getting in TFS):
unranked - Ascension, Hellion, Unbreakable (the latter two might be at least ok)
S - none
A - Consecration, Feed the Void
B - Bleak Watcher, Stylish Executioner
C - Gunpowder Gamble
D - Drengr's Lash, Knockout
E - Diamond Lance, Weaver's Call, Threaded Specter, Winter's Shroud
F - Lightning Surge
Thanks!
I do thing weavewalk is a lot stronger than you gave it credit for. One melee charge equates to 5 threadlings which each do the damage of 60% of an ignition. thats 3 ignitions worth per melee. In an aoe. On top of that you can be invulnerable for raid mechanics. Lets you tank massive hits. Yeah you cant res or what not but you can get to the res, do it, then go back into the weave. With the 100% extra regen naturally has it is so good.
I'm not gonna lie, Weavewalk is kind of in the same situation as a lot of other defensive-focused aspects, it just doesn't do enough to warrant a) only 1 fragment slot and b) taking away one of your other aspects. Everything that people claim it does well, I would argue something else does better.
@@TheAegisRelic i think you should consider the offensive capabilities. with the wanderer + thread of fury you build a full gameplay loop of spreading unraveling across all ads. considering you ranked controlled demolition so high you should consider weave walk around c tier since it also has high sustain if you can keep getting melee but of course it also spends an exotic slot to get that. weave walk as defense is 100% cope
Shatterdive is so much fun in PvE though
It is fun for sure
Icarus dash has saved my life too many times to be in E😭any enemy that knocks u off maps looks stupid
Some things will change on 4th
I think this tier list is late for us, TFS is coming with new aspects and patches
Yeah I just wanted to get it out there so I have something to update without it being insanely long, I personally don't really like making insanely long tier everything at once videos so I wanted to get this out of the way so the next video will be incremental instead of universal
Will you be on when stoney is teaching me kf rta
What the
@@TheAegisRelic Stoney will be doing big dog kf will you be on
I’m gonna drop a vid called ranking every aegis ranking video
I greatly disagree with the placing of trappers ambush and vanishing step. These are extremely valuable supportive picks in end game content that drastically decrease the amount of deaths and make impossible revives easily doable. Dunks and dangerous carry objectives become a joke. These are the most effective utility aspects in the game.
We are at a point in the sandbox where both those aspects are at an all time low in usefulness IMO and while I'm sure they have helped you and others in clutching activities like LFG GMs and other underleveled activities those were not the scenarios that this list is primarily focused on
Another Aegis video? Hold on...let me get my dinner ready!
i like icarus dash :D
Weavers call will be nutty when the change happens, it now creates perched threadlings on strand damage and they can themselves create more perched
*"Defeating a target with Strand damage now has a chance to generate a perched Threadling". If it was on damage, it would actually be good. As is the change will take it from completely useless to just mid.
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I hate the way everybody overhyped Weavewalk before actually looking into what you can really do with it, which is incredibly trash. The major reason why Bungie has failed to buff the various useless aspects that we have for strand warlock is probably by and large due to people not using their brains when it comes to speaking about the potency of their favorite builds
Yeah a lot of people seem quite unhappy with where Weavewalk was placed and I'm a little confused about it
34:59 Here's the problem.
Fuck their shitty nerfs impacting things where they shouldnt be impacted.
Pvp nerf affecting pve ? Why ? The aspect is already meh, why nerf it ?
DID SOMEONE SAY BANNER OF WAR ASPECT
Icarus Dash at Super Duper S Tier Yup #McDonalds
Most overrated aspect in the game
@@BDupp2 You just dont got the sauce mister man
@@BDupp2 Sounds like somebody who praised Bungie for their changes to Lake of Shadows.
@@svn5994 sounds like you’re crying over random shit 😂
@@Cloakerson literal E tier aspect. Does nothing for above average players
babe wake up, my opinion has dropped
Strand Warlock needs a complete rework. They has a major identity crisis. Honestly, they should just use the seasonal fragment where sustained damage to an unraveled target spawns a threadling, and make that core to the class. Hell it wouldnt even be the first time bungie made a fragment a warlock strand aspect. The wanderer is a lazy copy of the aspect we got at the beginning of lightfall
Also I'd rather Weavewalk grant Woven mail on demand and be able to use my weapons than have it do what it does now. Warlocks are the only class that doesn't have an aspect or exotic that helps grant woven mail.
The idea from the seasonal mods is honestly something I completely agree with. Distribute the buffs into the various aspects or something to make them feel like they do something. Swarmers also need an insane buff given how trash they are
I actually think that Horde Shuttle integration idea is really good, props
The Weavewalk idea too
You said you are reviewing these in a vacuum? periodical healing + 40% bonus melee damage doesnt seem that meta defining
Bungie is so lazy with some of these aspects
Thank you for calling out chaos accelerant, this aspect is so overrated in the community it’s ridiculous.
great vid, made me shoot 4 ropes
My goodness
Not gonna lie, there are a lot of hot takes here but pop off
Yeah I just wanted to get this list out there pre-TFS so I can update it post-TFS with new stuff, I struggled a bit with a lot of the rankings here
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prismatic really got the worst aspects
Slide melees should just be melee options and not Aspects
Yes yes yes
Only 1 hunter aspect in S tier and 1 on A tier 💀💀💀
Bungie has a habit of making most of the Hunter aspects pvp oriented. And since this is a pve ranking, the results are as such.
Because Hunter is ass lmao. If you didn’t have burst supers hunters would be so obsolete in endgame pve
@@TargetSniper365thank you for calling out why hunters are needed in endgame pve. Warlocks are also needed for well. Tell me what can titans do over another burst super or backup well? They're pretty good at ad clear I'll give them that though.
@@Lv6_Esper in final shape titan dps will be very strong with the rocket chest piece
@@TargetSniper365 Bruh, you can't make statements like this to justify that a certain class is ass. If Warlock didn't have Needlestorm or Well, it would be pretty ass too.
Yet Hunters literally define the meta rn (GG for raids, Tether for Onslaught, invis in GMs), and it is a lot due to their supers, but also due to acces to a lot of outright broken abilities. Yes, they might not be versatile, but in specific situations they are the best pick over anything else.
11:00 I really gotta disagree with this.
I think titans suspend on class ability is much better then hunters for a few reason.
1. Titans can do use the suspend from a safe distance. I'm not charging in on strand hunter and suspending in a gm I'll jus die. But from a distance on a titan I would.
2. Titan suspend has a much larger raids then hunters as it works like a wave from gl rather then a hunters breach gl.
I do know the cd is shorter. But if you use rally barricade with 100 resilience you'll.l get your barricade back at a similar rate to a hunters dodge.
i mean if you are comparing titan to strand dive ability i would slightly agree but realistically widows silk plus thread of generation means double shackles are even safer and quicker than titan ever can and even more safer, so realistically titan is definitely not better
@@gavinlambert2896 sure the gernade is better but this a aspect tier list.
Plus more ways to suspend is good.
Anyways my point is that he rated the hunter one 2 tiers above the titan one.
Which to me makes no sense
I will definitely shift some of these around next season, thanks for your feedback!
@@SlongestKongest well it’s tough because from a strict aspect only don’t look at synergies or other fragments or stuff you can’t always have control over the lash, the dive it at your convienence the only difference is one is from range, I think they should be equal personally if you don’t include other context
That’s good it’s tough to solo out aspects alone and make a tier list that gets the point across, especially if their is specific exotic synergies that make the build work better than others even if the aspect is worse, I thought the video was pretty solid though.
Consecration? It's only a different melee, unnecessary with infinite throwing hammer, and weaker than Roaring Flames and Sol Invictus. O_o
I don't think you've actually played using Consecration, throwing hammer's biggest problem is its lack of splash (and now its unwieldy and annoying cooldown), Consecration fixes that in exchange for a relatively forgiving cooldown
@@TheAegisRelic I tried using Consecration a bunch of times, but it isn't that useful. At least you put Sol Invictus above it. But compared to Roaring Flames, that buffs abilities by 70%, including the super, it isn't that good. More damage is better than a secondary melee, in my opinion.
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