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The Indian Partition: The UK's Huge Mistake that Ended in Disaster
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2021
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Good work as always. I love it how Simon just gets up and leaves at the end, as the material is so brutal and strong that no closing words are appropriate.
Agreed. Although, for a millisecond there i thought those pants were his really tan, bare legs. That was a bit offputting tbh ;)
He certainly is a very classy human. I am forever gracious for all the things he's taught me.
i literally came to comment how lame it is him just getting up and walking out, so bloody dramatic XDXD
@@DroidAssembly Well, how else are you supposed to end such a heavy video? The only other option I can think of is maybe just ending the video right there.
Imagine him ending promoting a product at the end
Dividing countries up by inexperienced men within a stupid low amount of time, seems to be a running theme in history.
Africa comes to mind and we are all feeling it. The middle east also has suffered.
Colonization will cause issues for generations. Just like us America played ourselves too.
Every action has a reaction when even it is the past, and it takes generations to heal. I've always read four to five, but feel like today it might be longer due to the information age.
We have a lot to answer for. As a Brit I'm ashamed for a lot of the stuff we've done. And now we are cutting foreign aid. No wonder the world hates us ....
@@stephenflowerday4038 As a white American, who's ancestors are also from England -- Me too.
@@amandajones661 Good on ya, we gotta set the world straight x
Human nature. We have been the worst thing to happen to the planet, can be atrocious to each other, committing abominable acts on each other while thinking we're right "they" are wrong, we are good "they" are bad.
At the same time we're capable of such beauty, generosity, empathy and love.
The hard part, which we've never conquered is, that we are both and we can not be anything else. Religion, States, governmental systems, philosophy, they all try glossing over this duality and pretending that we can have some utopia.
my Grandad was in the 15th Gurkha rifles and was one of the first regiments in Calcutta he never really speaks about it but mentioned there were vultures that were so full of human flesh they couldnt fly . Crazy time!
WHOA😮
English people should learn lessons from the partition of India. Muslim community in England is also growing rapidly (at the rate of 40-50% with every passing decade) and they have not integrated well with the larger British society. In a couple of decades, Muslims would be more than 10% of England’s population and in another couple of decades they might be more than 20%. To make the matters worse, majority of them are South Asian Muslims, the same people who believe that Muslims form a separate nation from Hindus and that the partition of India on religious lines was justified. If they could not integrate with the Hindus after centuries of coexistence, there is a high probability that they won’t integrate with English people after just decades of coexistence. Another important factor, that was absent in case of India of 1947, is the disparity in the average age of English people and the Muslim people. English people are much older on an average. I see some early signs already. In the early 1920s, barely two decades before the launch of Pakistan Movement in 1940, Indian Muslims were deeply affected by the events in Middle East or West Asia (I am referring to downfall of Ottoman Empire aka Caliphate after First World War and the consequent launch of Caliphate Movement across Indian subcontinent- an effort to restore the Ottoman Caliphate - in which Muslims rebelled against the British Empire who had brought the Caliphate down). A somewhat parallel of that, we saw in pro-Palestine protests in Britain, predominantly England. Do not take this thing lightly. Find ways to integrate the Muslims and do not repeat the mistake of accepting their illegitimate demands. That won’t integrate the community, rather alienate them even more. MK Gandhi committed the same mistake by supporting them in above mentioned Caliphate Movement. He did so in hope that, in return, he would get the support of Muslims in his nationalist struggle for freedom. He hoped that his support to their movement for a Muslim issue in faraway land would integrate them with the Hindus against British. It did not work out like that. On the contrary, the Muslim nationalism increased even more, so much so that when ALL INDIA MUSLIM LEAGUE (popularly known simply as Muslim League ) launched Pakistan Movement in 1940 it got an overwhelming response, even from the areas which had zero chance to be a part of Pakistan. In 1937 elections, which took place before the launch of Pakistan Movement, Muslim League did not win many seats. In just 5 years of starting Pakistan Movement, Muslim League became so popular that it swept 1945 General Elections of India and 1946 Provincial Elections with a 100% and 87% success rate respectively in the seats exclusively reserved for Muslims (British India had separate electorates for all religious communities). Partition of India should be studied in British schools (not just universities) and its probable impact on British society of future should be evaluated.
English people should learn lessons from the partition of India. Muslim community in England is also growing rapidly (at the rate of 40-50% with every passing decade) and they have not integrated well with the larger English society. In a couple of decades, Muslims would be more than 10% of England’s population and in another couple of decades they might be more than 20%. To make the matters worse, majority of them are South Asian Muslims, the same people who believe that Muslims form a separate nation from Hindus and that the partition of India on religious lines was justified. If they could not integrate with the Hindus after centuries of coexistence, there is a high probability that they won’t integrate with English people after just decades of coexistence. Another important factor, that was absent in case of India of 1947, is the disparity in the average age of English people and the Muslim people. English people are much older on an average. I see some early signs already. In the early 1920s, barely two decades before the launch of Pakistan Movement in 1940, Indian Muslims were deeply affected by the events in Middle East or West Asia (I am referring to downfall of Ottoman Empire aka Caliphate after First World War and the consequent launch of Caliphate Movement across Indian subcontinent- an effort to restore the Ottoman Caliphate - in which Muslims rebelled against the British Empire who had brought the Caliphate down). A somewhat parallel of that, we saw in pro-Palestine protests in Britain, predominantly England. Do not take this thing lightly. Find ways to integrate the Muslims and do not repeat the mistake of accepting their illegitimate demands. That won’t integrate the community, rather alienate them even more. MK Gandhi committed the same mistake by supporting them in above mentioned Caliphate Movement. He did so in hope that, in return, he would get the support of Muslims in his nationalist struggle for freedom. He hoped that his support to their movement for a Muslim issue in faraway land would integrate them with the Hindus against British. It did not work out like that. On the contrary, the Muslim nationalism increased even more, so much so that when ALL INDIA MUSLIM LEAGUE (popularly known simply as Muslim League ) launched Pakistan Movement in 1940 it got an overwhelming response, even from the areas which had zero chance to be a part of Pakistan. In 1937 elections, which took place before the launch of Pakistan Movement, Muslim League did not win many seats. In just 5 years of starting Pakistan Movement, Muslim League became so popular that it swept 1945 General Elections of India and 1946 Provincial Elections with a 100% and 87% success rate respectively in the seats exclusively reserved for Muslims (British India had separate electorates for all religious communities). Partition of India should be studied in British schools (not just universities) and its probable impact on British society of future should be evaluated.
English people should learn lessons from the partition of India. Muslim community in England is also growing rapidly (at the rate of 40-50% with every passing decade) and they have not integrated well with the larger English society. In a couple of decades, Muslims would be more than 10% of England’s population and in another couple of decades they might be more than 20%. To make the matters worse, majority of them are South Asian Muslims, the same people who believe that Muslims form a separate nation from Hindus and that the partition of India on religious lines was justified. If they could not integrate with the Hindus after centuries of coexistence, there is a high probability that they won’t integrate with English people after just decades of coexistence. Another important factor, that was absent in case of India of 1947, is the disparity in the average age of English people and the Muslim people. English people are much older on an average. I see some early signs already. In the early 1920s, barely two decades before the launch of Pakistan Movement in 1940, Indian Muslims were deeply affected by the events in Middle East or West Asia (I am referring to downfall of Ottoman Empire aka Caliphate after First World War and the consequent launch of Caliphate Movement across Indian subcontinent- an effort to restore the Ottoman Caliphate - in which Muslims rebelled against the British Empire who had brought the Caliphate down). A somewhat parallel of that, we saw in pro-Palestine protests in Britain, predominantly England. Do not take this thing lightly. Find ways to integrate the Muslims and do not repeat the mistake of accepting their illegitimate demands. That won’t integrate the community, rather alienate them even more. MK Gandhi committed the same mistake by supporting them in above mentioned Caliphate Movement. He did so in hope that, in return, he would get the support of Muslims in his nationalist struggle for freedom. He hoped that his support to their movement for a Muslim issue in faraway land would integrate them with the Hindus against British. It did not work out like that. On the contrary, the Muslim nationalism increased even more, so much so that when ALL INDIA MUSLIM LEAGUE (popularly known simply as Muslim League ) launched Pakistan Movement in 1940 it got an overwhelming response, even from the areas which had zero chance to be a part of Pakistan. In 1937 elections, which took place before the launch of Pakistan Movement, Muslim League did not win many seats. In just 5 years of starting Pakistan Movement, Muslim League became so popular that it swept 1945 General Elections of India and 1946 Provincial Elections with a 100% and 87% success rate respectively in the seats exclusively reserved for Muslims.
English should study the partition of India more keenly and unbiasedly than ever. It is highly probable that, in as little as 25-40 years, they might find themselves in the same situation that Indians found themselves 8 decades ago. Why do I say that? Muslim population in England is 6.5% as per 2021 census with a decadal growth rate around 40-50%. At this rate, they might be around 15% by 2051 or latest by 2061 census. Plus, their community is much younger on an average than the English people, which means more street presence and street power. If they could not integrate with Indians after centuries of coexistence, the odds of them integrating with the English society after only decades of co-existence are pretty low. On top of that, an overwhelming majority of the Muslim community in England is from South Asia, i.e. Pakistan, Bangladesh (formerly known as East Pakistan), and India, in decreasing order numerically. These people already have a model of carving a Muslim homeland out of an ethno-religiously diverse India right in front of them. If they could ask for partition of India on religious lines, justifying that Muslims are a separate nation within the wider Indian nation (even when they were of the same race as non-Muslim Indians), then it won't surprising if they repeat the same formula in England as well.
Turns out all you need to really mess up a region for better part of century is just a map, ruler and a pen. :(
I know right? Isn't it hilarious? And they think they are better than us!😂
Sure "VJ" you are better than us, it's why we were able to destroy your country for a century with just a pen and paper.😂😂😂😂
Well, and a really good propaganda machine that will make the local population turn on it's self.
@@pansprayers Are you talking about India/Pakistan or Brexit?🤓
You forgot religion
1:15 - Chapter 1 - The independence movement
2:55 - Chapter 2 - The end of the british raj
4:25 - Chapter 3 - Great calcuta killing of august 1946
6:00 - Chapter 4 - How to partition ?
8:20 - Chapter 5 - Independence
10:20 - Chapter 6 - Darkness descends
12:05 - Chapter 7 - Post partition
15:05 - Chapter 8 - Present day
I feel like you should be thanked more often for doing this
@@badluck5647
You're right, Peter!
@@Kiefsti Why am I Peter?
Was I being sexist?
@@badluck5647
No, I'm just stoned and was trying to be funny.
Drove that joke plane into the side of a mountain. No survivors.
thanks
I really appreciate when you and your team put these together. "2020 was the worst" now echos like the infantile nonsense it really is compared to the scope of what has happened around the world.
"The past was the worst" comes to mind OGBB
@Edward Lee Miller *so far.
Just tends to put it in perspective
2020 is just a baby compared to the future, human nature and all that, you know.
It always sounded infantile
Simon. You and your media empire team should set up a searchable database that will group all your videos cross channel and set it up for use as a school resource for the children being home schooled, and educators in brick and mortar schools. Something like Jan academy.
A lot of his videos are not exactly education friendly. Even on his straight face channels he's been throwing in jokes and jabs from BB that definitely would *NOT* go over well in any institutional environment. I think just the ads for Manscaped probably would ruin any video educational value for a teenager.
That's also why we choose to watch his content unlike hating history class like most do.
Or maybe believe it or not another channel 🤔. One devoted to or geared to an educational community. But, it wouldn't quite be the normal without some of Simon's added jabs.
@@teresapyeatt3698 There is no money in that. This is why the business blaze style leaked into all his other channels, there have been so many comments in top tenz or today I found out in the last year that never would have been there before. It has made his videos more popular, that's why we choose to watch this as entertainment.
Dry it off, remove any jokes and jabs, and weird advertisements...nobody wants to watch that. Nobody will pay for that. And I'm sorry, but Simon's info is *NOT* of institutional quality, it's usually pretty good but a textbook he is not. A teacher he is not. Nobody proofs this stuff except maybe Simon.
@@ryanroberts1104 Well said. Very enjoyable and educational, but purely factual it is not! He/they are too busy to verify each little point, not to mention the occasional bias.
simon has mainly been my school for years now, this team knew EXACTLY what it was doing and i applaud them to the highest
I feel like Simon is stalking me around RUclips. Every time I round a rabbit hole Simon just makes a new channel pumping out content.
Simon is a master class of RUclips. 🙂
Just this one video cannot comprehend the full scale of 1947 partitions and 1971 atrocities by Pakistan in Bangladesh, but it is a video, as always, put very well together. Great video!
The UK government has a lot to answer for, not just in South Asia but the Middle East, Africa and Asia.
Easy to say in hindsight isn’t it..... how would you have done it?
And before you start whittling on about ‘colonialism’, different times, different values, and it did reduce slavery, ritual killings etc that were endemic before British rule of the Raj......
@@johnhughes8016 ah lads we've got another colonialism apologist over here
@@parker4406 It's a fact that Britain was a lot less cruel than other powers of the time. And compare Britain to an empire like Rome and it's clear how much better the British Empire was
@@parker4406 i think you misspelled realist... if you can’t see that, i suggest removing your head from your..........
@@JJaqn05 My ass. Your education sucks bro. Your country starved 4 million Bengalis by creating famines like in Ireland, had concentration camps in Africa while condemning Hitler for the same, commited massacres in Punjab & Kenya by shooting unarmed protestors. If feel sorry for the declining standard of British education, no wonder British economy is the least productive among wealthy nations. Try selling more Scot whisky in return for JCBs made in India for that trade deal with Modi. lol
This is history that I should've learned in school! Thank you Simon for always covering the little known parts of history that we should all know about!
Unfortunately, the limited time and resources afforded to schools will never allow the system to get terribly in-depth. Not to mention, teaching anything about religious difference in the US would turn too many parents into horror movie villans.
I was born and educated in London I’m now in my 40s and was taught this horrific history at school
This is wrong history. This is history from a white man point of view. It says UK made a huge mistake, oh, the saviours of the world made a wrong decision and search for repentance over what happened.
Nowhere does this video say that the British did this deliberately, out of spite to cripple a newborn country for years to come. They are known of 'Divide and Rule' and the British bald guy says British were not able to contemplate what would have happened.
Why is it I am certain this is true? My grandfather served in the Bose camo, my mother was born when this partition was still going on and I have almost 30 years of experience liveing around 200 kms away from where the bloodbath happened. Call me anything, I see our condition today and I truly abhor the white man for it.
@@keithdavison2960 thank you for doing research and educating yourself
Those putting the blame for the enmity between Pakistani and Indian people (genetically the same race) on Partition which was done by the British; Done on the absolute insistence of both Muslims and Hindus who were already enemies of at least hundreds of years due to different re-legions, long long before they even knew the British existed.
The reason Partition was so badly arranged is that so many Indians (including Muslims who became Pakistani) were pressurising the British to leave.
A sizeable minority wanted the British to stay and sort things out for them for their future, so they wouldn't return to many sided civil warfare which was usual before the British even went there. In other words, a sizeable number of each did want the British to try to ensure lasting peace for them all even though the British had handed over all their infrastructure and more and had nothing to gain. Not only things there but large parts of successful companies here which had nothing to do with India. Singer Sewing Machines - the British misgovernment gave half of it to India to help set up their own economy. The company had nothing to do with there, yet had to be cut in half to give them half - which meant a great many jobs lost here including getting the metal and forging It, making the parts, shop. Workers and repairmen, drivers and more. So many jobs lost here and that was only one British Company in Britain. A pity those 'elites' didn't have such a sense of fairness to the British here. That sense of fairness they had to try and stay on as long as it took to either 1) somehow foment lasting peace between the re-legions and leave it as all India, or 2) give the other side what they wanted, which was for the whole huge country to be split into two separate countries but with as much agreement between the two as possible. The side which wanted two countries held sway and it was decided that as a third party who would have no vested interest in either Muslim or Hindu would be unbiased and so should have the burdensome but demanded partition India before leaving entirely.
Unfortunately, brokering enough agreements and treatise between the two sides became impossible. As a lot of people there further pushed for the British to leave it became impossible to continue to stay. So Partition wasn't done to the satisfaction of the British, but was done as best as possible and in exasperation, were forced to give up.
The people in both countries haven't managed better since, have they?! Both would rather do big business with Chinese and other globalist Committee of 300 types than with their own genetic cousins next door!
So, the man in the video I point to lied and this I believe is anti British racist. Anti White British, that is. He may not have meant to have lied and was perhaps only repeating the twisted version of events but that version is twisted enough to call it a lie, as it misrepresents the truth to a seriously extent which impacts negatively on the world view of the British.
This blaming the problems of partition and much else there and in other countries, on the white British? They have all had more than long enough to sort out an alternative to problems inherent in that Partition and anything else. That they haven't Is on them and not on the white British nor on anyone else. They have only themselves and each other to blame after all this time. Know that.
It's about time they replaced all those old now dangerous trains and rails etc that the British gifted both countries at their independence, which their (mis) governments nationalised. Each of their countries has had and still has more than enough money to be doing a lot lot better for their people. Their high finance corruption is even worse than in Western type nations.Know that also.
Too much more list here.
I am sick of anti white British/anti white European bashing, telling only one very skewed and dishonest side of the story. It's about time the self proclaimed victims took accountability for their failings - which continue to this day.
I direct this only at those blaming the white British for the problems of Partition.
As much as these stories need to be told I can't help but think they are taking a heavy toll on you and your team. It's very distressing to know that there are so many more to tell. Just know that our hearts are heavy as we hear them.
Pakistani woman here and can I just say that the way you covered the whole topic of Partition in this video is amazing ❤️
It means so much to me that you went into great detail about the Kashmir issue, Punjab migration, Bengal killings and Radcliffe Award's disaster with accurate analysis. And even more so your acknowledgement of how its been "a few difficult decades" for Pakistan is so refreshing to hear because we're struggling as a postcolonial nation to this day. People with biases like to dismiss us as a military dictatorship or a terrorist country without knowing the reality of partition and historical background that factors into present day. The damage done by the colonizer British will take many more decades to recover from.. Till then I'm just glad someone out there painted an accurate picture of the history of it all at least!
I'm also a Pakistani girl. Was half-way through commenting the exact same thing you just said, except you put it into even better words :)
Indian here. My ex-girlfriend of two years is from Lahore. Some of her followers on instagram sent me death threats for being a Hindu and dating a Pakistani Muslim. One of them said they live in Europe so they could actually come and talk to me in person. When I attempted to reason with them, they would bring up the partition, it was always someone they knew, were affected by it. I could never say anything back once the partition was brought up. Never looked down on them, I felt bad for them, the atrocities of religion when used as a political tool is very destructive. And these guys, some of them my age, are still under the clutches of the hatred.
@@krishnayashwanth84 well islam sees hindus as kaffirs and people who will go to hell its just natural for hindus to hate muslims lmao
What’s Pakistani?? The identity created by Indian Muslim. Do not promote such identity and you can re-start the process for reunification of india.
@@jkkk7784Noone wants reunification simply because Pakistan is bankrupt now with 100 billion dollars debt. All sold out ,ports,airports, roads,
parks. China controls their economy. 25 hungry ,uneducated people to feed. Who wants that? Its worse than Afghanistan. With no cohesion. Diverse militant groups. Diverse independence mivements
Thank you, Simon, for your research and for not hiding your anger over so much stupidity creating so much pain.
All hail the Beard! The Beard is eternal. The Beard knows all. May the fact filled Whiskers of Whistler forever bring us wisdom and knowledge. So say we all... ALLEGEDLY!
YOU ARE RIGHT, PETER!
allegedly nice cherry on the cake
Praise to the almighty Beard Blaze oil
#haillordSimon
I appreciate someone telling these victims’ stories. Although dark,nothing grows without darkness.
Make me think of the breakup of Yugoslavia. Also held together with an iron first until it went away.
But feel most killings there was down to an few key villains, without them the civilian death toll would be way lower.
And the British not dividing the country might end worse, does anybody think India and Pakistan would agree on an border before they withdraw, I guess you would get an day one war
Would probably gone worse for Pakistan as I assume India had most of the army.
So you describe Tito's rule as iron fist?
@@TheArklyte The fact that the country immediaty after his death started to fracture and then fall apart says everything on just how much control he had during his time as Yugoslavias undisputed leader.
Israel Palestine is an example of this
No one wants to admit that those two countries may have done better if they had stayed under British rule.
@@colin3424 "Hail Brittannia, Brittania waives the rules"
Can we get a whisky called Brain Blaze?
Grain Blaze?
@@radarlockeifyThat's the secret collaboration happening between Magic Spoon and Simon, essentially Cheerios but made without any oats
Are we forgetting the legal cannabis market? "Brain Blaze" would make a fantastic name for a mellow, cerebral Indica strain.
RUclips has really helped to create an "escape reality" platform where informative videos like this need to be actively searched. I've liked and commented on this video, but there's a good chance I won't see more of this in my recommendations. Nonetheless, amazing work! I will be subscribing in the hopes to see more!!!
Simon i really appreciate you covering my country's history in such detail with such passion. I thank you for your unbiased opinions on the matter.
Btw small correction, the resolution passed at Lahore was on 23rd March.
Let a guy who don't know shit about land he was dividing with very short timeline what could go wrong ??🙄
To be fair we don't hate Radcliffe he did fine for what short amount of time he was given .
The REAL mistake was in not letting the "pre-planned" separation go public, until after the independence ceremony was concluded. That was stupid, because it prevented any important corrections from being made, to the Redcliffe Plan, that could have probably prevented, or at least muffled, some of the violence that followed. And India and Pakistan would probably have a much better relationship today, as a result.
It happened a lot with colonial powers. Check out how many straight lines there are on the world map.
I liked him in Harry Potter and Swiss Army Man was weird, but I didn’t know Daniel did so much.
@@Master_Yoda1990 🤦🏼♂️
@@Master_Yoda1990 Let's not even get into the fact that Radcliffe is apparently IMMORTAL!
wow, i loved the dramatic walk off at the end, nice
Calling it a mistake is boiling my blood. It was intentional, calculated. NOT a mistake.
It was politics. It was greed. It was indifference. Racism. It was hunger for all that gold india had to offer. But it was done delibrately
Exactly, they wanted to give India one last blow because they knew they had to leave India at that point.
I think that the English simply did not give a fig what happened to a country where they considered the entire population and culture inferior. They wanted out fast, with no sticky complications or repercussions. Thus the fast and uninformed arbitrary divisions, with the delayed reveal. They knew a crisis would come, and they callously turned their back on a country that they governed but only saw as an exploitable resource for 300 years. A shocking indictment of their attitude toward their colony and the people in it.
Good video Simon, but you didn't assess how religious tensions were stoked by the British Government. There were lots multi-ethnic and multi-religious groups calling for a unified country, that the British did not want. Take a look at the Indian Independence Movement with Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims all within it's ranks.
The British Government took a divide and conquer approach to make it easier to manage such a large population, and also saw a threat in leaving such a huge country as one
There were always religious tensions and at times exactly as bad long prior to the British setting foot there.
Those putting the blame for the enmity between Pakistani and Indian people (genetically the same race) on Partition which was done by the British; Done on the absolute insistence of both Muslims and Hindus who were already enemies of at least hundreds of years due to different re-legions, long long before they even knew the British existed.
The reason Partition was so badly arranged is that so many Indians (including Muslims who became Pakistani) were pressurising the British to leave.
A sizeable minority wanted the British to stay and sort things out for them for their future, so they wouldn't return to many sided civil warfare which was usual before the British even went there. In other words, a sizeable number of each did want the British to try to ensure lasting peace for them all even though the British had handed over all their infrastructure and more and had nothing to gain. Not only things there but large parts of successful companies here which had nothing to do with India. Singer Sewing Machines - the British misgovernment gave half of it to India to help set up their own economy. The company had nothing to do with there, yet had to be cut in half to give them half - which meant a great many jobs lost here including getting the metal and forging It, making the parts, shop. Workers and repairmen, drivers and more. So many jobs lost here and that was only one British Company in Britain. A pity those 'elites' didn't have such a sense of fairness to the British here. That sense of fairness they had to try and stay on as long as it took to either 1) somehow foment lasting peace between the re-legions and leave it as all India, or 2) give the other side what they wanted, which was for the whole huge country to be split into two separate countries but with as much agreement between the two as possible. The side which wanted two countries held sway and it was decided that as a third party who would have no vested interest in either Muslim or Hindu would be unbiased and so should have the burdensome but demanded partition India before leaving entirely.
Unfortunately, brokering enough agreements and treatise between the two sides became impossible. As a lot of people there further pushed for the British to leave it became impossible to continue to stay. So Partition wasn't done to the satisfaction of the British, but was done as best as possible and in exasperation, were forced to give up.
The people in both countries haven't managed better since, have they?! Both would rather do big business with Chinese and other globalist Committee of 300 types than with their own genetic cousins next door!
So, the man in the video I point to lied and this I believe is anti British racist. Anti White British, that is. He may not have meant to have lied and was perhaps only repeating the twisted version of events but that version is twisted enough to call it a lie, as it misrepresents the truth to a seriously extent which impacts negatively on the world view of the British.
This blaming the problems of partition and much else there and in other countries, on the white British? They have all had more than long enough to sort out an alternative to problems inherent in that Partition and anything else. That they haven't Is on them and not on the white British nor on anyone else. They have only themselves and each other to blame after all this time. Know that.
It's about time they replaced all those old now dangerous trains and rails etc that the British gifted both countries at their independence, which their (mis) governments nationalised. Each of their countries has had and still has more than enough money to be doing a lot lot better for their people. Their high finance corruption is even worse than in Western type nations.Know that also.
Too much more list here.
I am sick of anti white British/anti white European bashing, telling only one very skewed and dishonest side of the story. It's about time the self proclaimed victims took accountability for their failings - which continue to this day.
I direct this only at those blaming the white British for the problems of Partition.
@@angr3819 what National Front bs you banging on about?
Let's get a few things straight:
- There's only one race of people, humans. That's it...
- India and Pakistan are 2 extremely genetically diverse regions. Think of a continent above 1/3 the size of Europe - lots of different migrations of peoples
- The British were the government they made the mess and left it so. You make out Indians should be grateful, but don't acknowledge the brutality of colonialism
- British government sent dead cows to where Hindus worshipped and dead pigs to where Muslims did. They had religion influence politics, lots of books on this read some books
- Cyrill Radcliffe had no knowledge of the country, different cultures, languages etc... He wasn't fit to comment, let along divide the countries.
Read up on the history and stop being a numpty. Corrupt politicians of different faiths and ethnicities took advantage of the division. Yet Britain had utilised divide and conquer to take over half the world. They used the same method when leaving their former colonies to ensure they were not left in a stronger position.
You have no concept of inflation if you don't understand why British manufactured goods were to expensive for mass markets. It was cheaper to import
But yeah let's not blame the British government because you're delusional and think a country that let's 3 million children in its own country starve and live below the poverty threshold today, didn't mistreat people in it colonies
@@JayThandi You lost me the moment you assumed NF.
you need to study genetics and anthropology. There are not only a number of races and sub races but at least one is a different species.
All human of course but not the same.
Numerous races, sub races and species have become extinct over millenia. They were all different to each other as well as different to us.
By your reasoning lions and tigers are the same. So are the different primates the same. All penguins also. So on and so forth - because by your reasoning that must be so.
I think your intelligence flatlined when you were a young child learning about Homo Erectus, who you would no doubt equate with any modern human. Or maybe you didn't get as far as learning about Homo Erectus.
Back to school for you.
@@angr3819 you're banging on about genetic supremacy and wondering why people want assume your old school NF or a modern day nazi?
All modern humans share a common ancestor, that is a fact.
People from around the world may have genetics from Neanderthals or Denisovans but the majority of DNA belongs to humans. Your reference to genetics, species and race is to create superiority and inferiority. I assume your against "the mixing of races"? Don't want to taint that Aryan DNA 🤡
I'm starting to see why you feel empathy for the H-white British Aristocrats who ordered massacres of Men, Women and Children across various colonies (Amritsar Massacre comes to mind in relation to India specifically). For the French in Haiti. The Italians in Ethopia. The Belgians in the Congo.
So I hear what your saying about poor (not pure) white Europeans getting a bad time for people speaking about the atrocities commited and I gotta say you're full of shit 🙃
@@JayThandi you seem to need to read up on the history
Read up on Muhammad Ali Jinnah
The people in British India wanted a partition, and the history behind how that happened is quite interesting.
The deaths were almost guaranteed as the diverse groups of peoples in India started trying to define themselves by nationalism, India was a country that had only other empires ruling over them to unite them
Partitions need a simple hard line between countries, enclaves become neglected and poor or even start getting ideas about independence
Bangladesh was brutalised by Pakistan in their wish for freedom
my friends mum remembers fleeing lahore as hindu's were being burned alive in the streets :( - you guys should watch "Partition: the day India burned" its harrowing :(
I hope you consider doing a video on the Canadian Indian Residential School system, not many people know about it, honestly more people should, and the details are both shocking and horrifying
Excellent Simon, you rarely disappoint.
My grandfather survived the partition when he was around 6 (they burned his documents so Indian police wouldn’t know he was Muslim) and escaped to Karachi where he lived until he was 18 in a refugee camp. He was the youngest of 13 and all of his older brothers were Princeton educated while he struggled to get a tool and die apprenticeship in Germany. During his time in the camp he was starved and had to fight often, I am 6’5 but he is only 5’4. He doesn’t talk about the partition often but one story I do know is that he was on a train with his family escaping the country, he got off at a stop to use the restroom when religious police stopped him. They told him to pull his pants down to see if he was circumcised but he peed his pants because he was terrified, after that they sent him away in disgust and he went back to the train and told his family. They got off the train and walked 20 miles to the next town where they found out everyone on that train had been shot and killed by the police. Women, children, and men. The amount of generational trauma caused by Britain should never be forgotten as the partition still affects my family even though I live in America and am mostly white.
Simon, thank you for calling out Jinnah for his genocidal actions against Hindus in Kolkata. There should never have been a partition. Simon is the only "Westerner" who will speak the truth about what actually happened around the partition.
Also great pointing out the attempted genocide of Bengalis in 1971. In particular, there was a concerted effort to eliminate the Bengali Hindu population through sexual violence, torture, and murder.
Pakistan has a lot to atone for in its violent religious extremist history that started since its birth.
Oh, a lot to atone for yes, same for India. However, none have sinned more against humans in the Indian subcontinent than the English. Purposefully, sowing the seeds of genocide. May your souls never be at peace.
Lol no.
@@shaheenshad5012 Pakistan army ( Sunni Punjabis) is massacring Balochis, Shias, Ahmediya & Pashtuns, do you laugh more ?
@@alchemist7412 Hahaha 🤣 😂 all this groups are in establishment even the ahmadiyas otherwise they'll extinct due to the hatred people's have for them but they are still surviving and living because of deep hands in the establishment and pashtuns 🤣 they are the richest free handed people's who smuggled and sell drugs freely even smuggled in your country too all the opium farm of Pakistan is bought by pashtuns and most of the Pakistan medical department is dominated by them so next time please talk facts. And after iran Pakistan is the second country and only country which let shias doing matam jaloos on roads and block all the cities for them maybe in iran they don't let them doing a whole march of matam from one place to another. And the way you said “Sunni punjabi” seems like your sister run with some sunni punjabi.
@@alchemist7412 source?
Another Simon channel?? And I'm all in! I like the theme and tone of these channels, especially how you just walk off at the end. Brutal.
Much like the partition. I knew this happened, the split of India but had no idea the details and how horrible it all went down. We in the West really have fucked up a lot of places.
Amazingly presented as always from Simon. Would love to see a video about French Indochina and the events leading to the Vietnam War.
Simon walked away to do a Brian-Blaze episode.
That was an amazing insight to a situation I knew very little about. Thank you for the knowledge. You handled that video brilliantly.
Stay safe
Family first.
The numbers involved are too much for me to comprehend, as stated. 'At least 200,000 people died as a result .. fifteen million people moved .. a storm was poorly handled and half a million died..'
I'm ashamed I knew so little about this and I have to believe it'll never happen again.
Sadly, such slaughter was quite common in India, due to large population etc.
There's been about dozen massacres of hundreds of thousands of people in India in its history.
One of the Islamic dynasties committed to killing 100,000 Hindus a year.
@@josm1481its not common. Britain slaughtered red Indians.. is it common in their history? You died in world War. Is that common in your history? You killed in Africa Australia. Is colonizing normal? Then why cry now when Muslims are colonizing europe?
I would really like to see a video done on the people of Harlan County Kentucky during the Coal wars aka “Bloody Harlan”
I just did a paper on the Partition. You covered the subject with respect for the people who experienced this dark history. The wounds that both sides have are still raw to this day. I compared the Partition of India and the Partition of Palestine. There are horrible similarities in both cases. You should do a video on Palestine.
What is it with the English and partitioning nations?
Divide them in ways NOT good for the people, and not good for governing.....and you have a weak state and govt that can be controlled more easily. It's done on purpose.... Watch a video about US state shapes. Some borders look odd bc they were drawn to keep different cultist communities seperate(PA is an easy example).
@@Becka_Harper british* we english only hated the french ;)
Did you cover American pressure on Britain in the post-War period to grant independence on a timeline?
@@Becka_Harper We were not the ones who partitioned Palestine.
As an Indian, I wouldn't exactly call it the UK's mistake. It was one particular community that wanted a separate homeland for their one ideology. The British drew the line, but had zero role in the idea of partition.
But then who do we blame? That's more important than fixing the problem!
@@cashewnuttel9054 the people who wanted the separate country lol what kind of question is that 😆
@@cashewnuttel9054Islam
Thank you Simon for filling in some unbiased details I didn't know about prior to partition. I know all about thr gory details following partition. Mt mum and her siblings moved to the newly formed Pakistan and her accounts are truly harrowing. She lost her brother, husband and dad. Her dad sent the family to Pakistan and he stayed on to sell their quite large house so the family had something. Unfortunately he got killed.
Both my mother’s parents( my nana and nani) were born in Rawalpindi, which is now in Pakistan. My nana escaped the brutality of the partition because he moved earlier but my nani had to cross by foot the border and enter India.
She has told me such horror stories. How they waited everyday on edge not knowing what is happening, unaware of the blood bath to follow, of women kidnapped, raped and men killed.
At one point my nani , only 5 years old fell in a river and almost drowned. She was saved by an afghan man riding a horse who swooped in to save her by pulling her out of the water by the scruff of her kameez.
I cannot imagine what it must be like , neighbours you lived peacefully for years suddenly turning blood thirsty and coming for your head.😢
Those of us coming here after Ms Marvel: good on you for being hungry for information. I love it.
Thanks, Simon et al! (Hey, can you do the McDonnell-Douglas DC-X reusable space vehicle prototype from the 1990s on one of your many channels?)
Wow that ending though... The walk away from the camera was powerful...
Simon have you ever thought of doing a video on Hillsborough? Would most definitely suit this channel
Most definitely a terrible set of events brought about by our just upping and leaving having made a poor job of transitioning the country from British to self-rule, one of many things that are a shamefully large black mark in our history books...
Name a country that doesn’t have that black mark. I myself am not proud at all of “our” king Leopold II.
@@AuntieTrichome You could probably make an arguement for a few nations that didnt cause those black marks on their own and were kinda forced into it. Though i think the only country i can think of that never caused its own horrors is Haiti. Their horrors were caused by others.
Are you really sure that the British had a choice about how they left India? What if they were just broke, and worn out from two world wars, and knew that they could not stay, and could not prevent a war, if they had tried to. Gandi and Jenna were the ones who threw out the British. They should have been responsible for planning what would come next. You need to keep in mind the fact that colonies within an empire do not war with each other because the empire does not permit them to do so, but free countries are able to make war on each other, when ever they choose too, and are responsible for their choices.
every country has black marks on their history books. England just happens to be good at screwing people over. I live in India. In a hundred years, we'll have entire chapters full of black marks in our history books.
@@haroldhahn7044 You might want to do a little more research into the history of the british colony of india. They did some fucked up shit.
I get the impression that British administrators must have viewed independence as betrayal, and resulting issues with some indifference.
I was aware of this turmoil, but I had never formed a real picture of the carnage. Thanks for your honest presentation.
Thank you, Simon. This reminds me strongly of the Oder-Neisen line after WWII in Eastern Europe. Human stupidity surpasses itself once again.
I read an excellent book about this called "Train to Pakistan ." I commend you for doing this video in spite of being British... All countries have stuff to be ashamed of or embarrassed about. The thing that defines the country is whether or not they learn from it.
As a Pakistani, I agree.
My country was involved in a genocide of its own people in now Bangladesh, but newer generations cannot be blamed for the actions of the ancestors.
Aak baloach. They are still facing genocide. All hindu kashmiris wiped out according to plans of pak generals to create artificial majority there to win votes. With armed terrorists. Nothing is ever learnt..people in power are hungry for more always
Can you guys do a video on the bangladesh genocide? It's something I feel you guys would cover very well
Simon -- no jokes this time, just getting up and walking off screen after reading that was really classy! That was harrowing
Thank you for mentioning the Indian soldiers who fought and died in the world wars. People are so unaware about India's contribution in the victory of allied powers.
It isnt covered enough in school text books. I can understand that not every detail can be covered but from the coverage that western forces get in media, i am worried the stories of Indian soldiers in the world wars will at somepoint completely fade away.
I don't think that the line was drawn due to incompetence on the part of the British. They understood imperial power very, very well. They understood that by having ethnic strife in a nation it is easier to control from the outside. They did the same when leaving Africa.
Simon will own the interwebs soon.
Mark my words!
My grandmother's sister was a Hindu living in India at the time, her maid at the time was Muslim, she lived in Delhi and the retelling of the nights of the partition and the violence was horrific, they were killing people who were even accused of keeping either Hindus or Muslims hidden and away from the violence. So my grand aunt kept her maid and safe at some point hiding her under the sink for a couple hours, while extremists broke down doors searching for their "prey". Even after the migration, India had to find a way to bring a country divided for so long together under one government and it's such a challenging period in Indian history, but to pull it off was nothing short of a miracle. Nehru used economic policies to create reliance on a central government which could control how the money was used and kept it out of the hands of extremists for the most part. India still has it's issues but it's important to note that India has such a diverse population and the fact that we're constantly coming together to identify as Indian instead of different religions is another miracle. The blood stains are important to keep in the minds and the history books of the Indian population, so that violence on that scale can never happen again.
As always Simon and your crew deliver quality.
It was not the partition, but the withdraw of the British, that caused the violence. The British may have been hated, but they did not favor one religion over the other. Once they were no longer there, some one else had to rule, and once the argument started over who would rule, no muslim or hindu could lose without a fight.
Power vacuums always cause violence.
Foolish thing to say. British brought Christianity to India. Forced it upon us, they sowed the seeds of conflict between Muslims and Hindus.
It was the badly managed partition that created the riots, not British withdrawal. Communal riots were already happening while the British were present in the region. See the great Calcutta killings that took place right under British watch.
Their policy was Divide and Rule
How ironic!
Would it have been better if the partition was enforced by British troops? Or would that be another example of the horrors of imperialism.
I don’t think the British can take the blame here. There was clearly simmering hatred that the “colonial power” kept a lid on until they did the right thing and gave the locals the country back
Would a Muslim or Hindu have done a better job drawing the demarcation line? I doubt it
Like he said no solution would be better but had it been india or pakistan drawing the line then they would have taken the blame, then again there is huge anti British sentiment still in India and Pakistan so maybe not.
Ps: I'm an Indian
@@secrectpirate3096 I think we did plenty before the partition to justify that sentiment.
I personally think we should have stayed to try and maintain some kind of order during partition. We kinda just fucked off and left you to it. Just wonder how history would judge that decision in the current climate
Don't worry, we don't blame Brits for that... we only blame the brits for destroying India's native industries and its economy.
Might be too controversial at time of writing, but there was also the part the Kashmir dividing line had in Afghanistan at the end of 2001/start of 2002. It relates to the "bomb you back into the stone age" line from US foreign policy, but while that line was remembered, the Why was largely forgotten.
Really enjoying this new channel. Deserves far more subs, hope it gets them.
Thank you very much for this video.
It's really saddening how the world reacted on Bangladesh genocide. Think about this: Pakistan - a religious theocracy - was carrying out genocide in Bangadesh. And India - a secular democratic country - was the only force who could have stopped it (and it did). But the US - a so-called torchbearer of democracy - supported Pakistan and threatened India with nukes for intervening in Bangladesh. And the only country which supported India was Soviet Union - a so-called 'bad' communist country.
Great presentation of a difficult, still highly volatile subject. As always, I almost add, then notices this appears to be yet *another* new channel.
..Into the shadows. That channel name makes me think it appropriate to ask for a video exploring how Simon Whistler secretly got cloned and came into possession of technology that allows for the accelerated growth of the fetuses so he could rapidly create and host multiple channels each featuring lengthy, research intensive contents. This hardy can be a secret anymore, anyway.
What a mess and a prime example of the madness of crowds. What a mess!
One of my friends back in childhood was a Sindhi. His grandparents were from the Sindh region in Pakistan. They were pretty rich and well off there(from what my mom told me later in life because no one would talk to a 4 year old about this event), but because of the partition they were forced to come to India and leave everything behind. Both his grandparents were just children when all this happened. They started life in India with absolutely nothing. They had to rebuild their entire life from the ground up after which they managed to live a decent lifestyle. Of course I'm not including the more horrifying details of the threat of bandits and murders that loomed on their journey to India but even without that its a really sad story.
Gross mismanagement by people caused a lot of unnecessary suffering that could've been prevented.
good for them. glad they didnt have to live in that peace of crap country. LOL
Simon thank you for your team and research on the partition. Nothing was peaceful about the partition of Pakistan and India. There were so many mistakes (and big ones) were made. Ghandi and Jinnah worked well together. Then there was Nehru and Mountbatten worked worked for power and didn't let Ghandi and Jinnah's plan to work. Until March, 1940, should these two men would have been allowed, India and Pakistan should still have been one nation. Lahore (I believe it was 2/3) should have been part of India which was given to Pakistan. People who wanted to live in Pakistan were given 12hrs to leave. If you look at Sindhi (Pakistan) local towns and village, the houses which belong to Indians or/and Sikh, are still looked after by local people. I can say this for fact since I visited some towns and villages and spent months. One thing I heard a lot from locals is 'Our neighbours will be back and till then we will make sure their homes dont fall down'. The locks are still the original. I have met many (now Indians) who studied in Pakistan or their parents migrated from Pakistan to India.
No British or/and Americans should feel ashamed since we weren't born then. We see eachother as friends, brothers and sisters.
Ya often it's weird seeing the people from the west be ashamed of it like y'all weren't the ones making these choices and it overall was going to be a messy situation regardless. Like for everything we actually caused and ignore it's weird seeing people blame themselves for shit that really didn't involve them much
@@UnholyWrath3277 I can see the point of view from people who do feel ashamed. I have worked with few POWs and soldiers who came back from wars. Human brain is a very complicated piece of digital machinery. It helps when people whos' lives have changed dramatically see the past and acknowledge life was/is hard. However we love each other no mattter the colour of our skin or/and nationality.
@@UnholyWrath3277 Nobody's asking the current generation to be ashamed. But to simply learn about the darker aspects of their country's history and to acknowledge the fact that the comfortable lives that many of them live today came at a terrible human cost of our ancestors' blood. They need to learn this, not to make them feel guilty but to ensure that it never happens again. I've heard that kids in UK are barely taught about their colonial history.
@@rishikeshwagh except we have. We literally are taught it and have it pushed on us by literally everyone how awful we were while y'all conveniently gloss over your own roles. Fun fact the vast majority of slave catchers were other Africans but that doesn't fit the narrative of being a helpless victim does it?(I'm aware this conversation is about India and Pakistan but it's the same concept) everyone chooses their own path and these other countries chose theirs from the moment they regained control
@@UnholyWrath3277 If y'all are taught about impact the British Empire had on the rest of the world - the good AND the bad - then I have no qualms with the current generation. Also I get the point you're trying to make here. However, you're talking as if we get off on feeling victimised, as if we play the victim card, the first chance we get," to gain sympathy. But that is not the case, no one wants sympathy from their own oppressors. Of course, it cannot be that one side is pure evil and the other is pure good - so yes there were mistakes committed by the oppressed side as well BUT they are nowhere even close to the level of death and destruction colonialism unleashed on the world.
Also, you talk about countries choosing their path after independence. But NO countries often did not have the luxury to choose their parth immediately after independence. They are only unable to take control of the direction of the country ONLY after they've spent significant time just trying to get back up on their feel after hundreds of years of colonialism.
Also, you need not get defensive because like I said the current generation need not take a guilt trip about this. But the least you can do is to NOT indulge in victim shaming? Is that too much to ask?
Off topic, but how's the bionic collarbone healing Simon?
He's did a badabumdush the other day with movement and everything, though I haven't seen him slap the paper on BB in a while. I'm thinking that he's doing well and even stronger now that he's part machine.
I have a really hard time believing all this was completely unintentional or "poorly thought out" on the part of the British, they are masters at stiring up trouble everywhere they go.
Golly. Religion sure has made mankind so much kinder and gentler.
Haphazard? What makes you think it was that organised?
OK, what about "quarter-arsed", given "half-arsed" might be an exaggeration?
@@owenshebbeare2999 Yeah, that sounds about right. 😁
See, this is how you talk about the partition! Dr Who writers take note.
Being from Ireland, I understand very well the harmful effects that partitioning a country/nation can cause. Here we're still seeing the legacy of partition with Northern Ireland and after the Troubles. What happened in India though was on an even bigger scale. Britain has really messed up a lot of countries it colonised.
A horrible time, my condolences to the millions 🕊️
Stories are passed on from grandparents to grandchildren. We know all. The britishers partied, lived in best areas with people starving around them with famines. All food was shipped to England. British never allowed an Indian to dress better than them and humiliated his skin colour clothes. Religion. Now its history . But memories are alive in Pakistan, Bangladesh and india ,China,red Indians,aborigines, Maori of Australia newsland. Memories dont die so fast. Thats why British are not liked anywhere. Russians are not hated in Africa or Asia. No such memory about them
Yeah, one of my favorite stories - how a country which has just attained its independence by non-violent protest with its first decree created not one, but two enemy countries from its own land and population.
No, Friedrich, God is not dead. At least in India it isn't.
The MCU series Ms Marvel has made the partition a major plot device, it's about time more people in the west are made aware of this insanity
Ghandi said as he lay dying,
" Churchill was/ IS right."
ISLAM is a nightmare.
The UK could not stop Jews and Arabs from fighting in Palestine in 1948. And Palestine was much smaller than India.
Watch out Simon.. The Indian government is known to sue people for showing non approved Kashmir maps
Wouldn't it be funny if he was taking a vacation to India someday. And he's arrested at the airport.
Well not funny but you know what I mean.
It's not funny when the US, Canada, or Belarus do it either.
Yeah, they can try, but it isn't going to go anywhere. Indian laws have no bearing on the actions or words of non-Indians living outside of India. I can sit here all day, saying Kashmir belongs to Tibet, and India can't do anything other than whinge impotently. They should be more concerned with the fact that the majority of their population lacks running water and food, rather than crying about boundary lines on a map.
@@SkunkApe407 wdym majority of the population 6 percent of the population
I'm Indian. Trust me, the govt is run by Hindu nationalists who have their hands full fending of criticism from liberals and human rights activists.
They haven't invested in armies of trolls like the CCP, so they don't have people scrounging the net for random youtubers.
When law and order leaves religious fanatics take over and make it worse then begin ruiled by someone a world away
As an Indian I somewhat disagree. It's not exactly the UK's mistake, rather it is the mentality of Muslims. They didn't want to live with Indians
youre thinking exactly like the colonizer
@@runamoto7635 nope. I’m thinking like the victim
Superb video. Well done team. 👏
Simon, have you considered making a video about the French Algerian war? That was another case of colonial mindset and political inanity that resulted in unspeakable human disaster.
"willing to use the poorly educated or desperate as cannon fodder"... the American war machine in a nutshell, and exactly why higher education is so expensive in the U.S.
Free if you sign up for the military though. Hmmm.....
@@MinistryOfMagic_DoM you're delusional if you think they pay for your education, what they give you is peanuts and will never cover even a quarter of the cost of a college degree. Isn't it funny when someone who's never been in the military makes a comment about something having to do with the military that they have no knowledge of...and now they look like a complete idiot? Lol funny huh.
Agreed
The sad thing about this whole ordeal is that even after 75 years the divide that created partition and claimed lives of many still runs deep in our countries and even after decades of knowing what this did to out communities, people are still doomed to repeat it because they refuse to let go of religion and their religious identity...partition has caused a generational trauma in our countries. it think its because both nations haven't been able to address and mourn what happened properly..so what remains is anger and grudge even from this generation who hate other communities for the crimes earlier generation committed, the original sin if i say so.
I am dumb af when Simon mentioned Muhammad Ali I was like I didn't know a boxer was in power of India 😣 haha
A video comparing all the genocides in written history would be extremely interesting. I find myself here wondering if the Europe is responsible for the most genocide in human history? And if not, who actually is? I've seen one of your other videos already showing that world war II Holocaust was not the worst in recorded history. Please consider making a video about all genocides in comparison to each other.
Ps. Graphs are fantastic visual aides for videos like these.
The Mongols immediately come to mind... But yes, the hand of Europe is directly to blame for a great MANY.
@@gomahklawm4446 at least Genghis Khan I don't think qualifies for genocide, despite being responsible for some of the most deaths through conquering; he also took the smartest of all the cultures and combined them together in his empire, this not trying to destroy every one and thing from those he conquered. 🤷 They do have lots of fascinating history to hear of.
@@1TrueGem Good point in the first 1/2, doesn't technically count as genocide.... second half....did you forget what he did to Baghdad? The river running black because of all the texts that were dumped into the river???
I'm not forgetting anything - that's the point. I'm remembering all the aspects.
@@1TrueGem Yes, you're right. It doesn't "technically" count. I thought I already ceded that correct point...
Edit: I re-read and yes, I had already ceded that point....and gave you a thumbs up.....so wtf?!? Going to seriously go all pedantic.....zzzzzz.......f off....
Britain- 1939: "Hey Germany... leave those countries alone..
Germany- 1946: "wait a second..what's that behind your back? it's India isn't it?.. Come on Britain.. put it down"
Not exactly equivalent, a bit or an apples and oranges comparison.
@@owenshebbeare2999 its a joke
@@owenshebbeare2999 you're "that guy", aren't you?
Meanwhile America in the background: Also, what's this business with them controling the Suez canal - it's truly disgusting that a modern nation would colonise another just to control a trade route.
Britain: Err America, who are you sitting on?
USA: Oh them - just the nation of Panama that we colonised to control their trade route - what of it?
Fantastic video. This channel is seriously becoming one of my favorites.
Very very well described..
I am so glad you are doing this instead of always bashing us Americans lol. We have fucked up, but so have others
You get that trait from your dad it seems.
Everybody's fucked up. Pick a country, pick a culture.
They've 100% done something horrendously evil to their fellow man at some point.
@@Naptosis 💀
@@Avicerox the greatest trick the British ever pulled, was convincing the world it was our colonies' fault.
Mountbatten divided the subcontinental holdings this way so that instead of being mad at Britain the people of the former Raj would end up being mad at each other instead. That's my opinion anyway.
You're spot on. Furthermore, the British were intelligent in drawing such borders to create perpetual instability. Based on the history of communal violence, the British knew exactly what would happen if they drew borders and they made sure to leave before the borders were revealed. The British did not insist on Pakistan being a nonsecular democracy, nor did they give the populace of both nations adequate time to prepare for the future--a future determined solely by the British.
Another example of this behavior of the British was the creation of Israel. While there are significant differences between the India and Israel, the fundamental concept remains the same.
The liberation war of Bangladesh lasted 9 months and India only joined in as allies in the last week of the war.
Love your videos. I get a lot of history that i never learned in school is very much appreciated. I have a request, can you discuss the damaging affects of the US 1830 Indian Removal Act that contributed to the genocides of millions.
The past eighteen months has had me thinking more than ever about just how arbitrary and ridiculous our borders are, especially in post-colonial Africa, south Asia, and the Americas. Pandemics and other natural disasters, especially airborne ones, don't recognize them, and if we let nationalism and bureaucracy dictate our responses, we're all doomed.
Humans have been fighting over "arbitrary" boundaries for our entire existence. You're obviously missing a few key details, like finite resources and cultural identities. If you think humanity is going to push aside an eternity of history, just to hold hands and sing campfire songs, you're as gullible as they get.
@@SkunkApe407 yeah, bad things have happened, so we should never try to do better.
@@jendubay3782 way to miss the point, genius.
@@SkunkApe407 it was actually spot on. Some things ingrained in our biology or psychology can oft-times work against us, as individuals and as a biological species. Craving accessible carbohydrates is somewhat of a human instinct, but in many cases yielding to it leads to diabetes and other health complications. The same with dividing and fighting over the arbitrary, instead of uniting globally, as a species, employing the scientific method to ensure as best we can the survival, well-being and thriving of humans, collectively as well as individually.
@@jacobavners2394 the welfare philosopher act is cute and all, but it doesn't actually represent reality. Every species competes with itself and others for limited resources within their own ecosystem. The human population is expected to peak at 11 billion people somewhere around 2050. To think that many people are going to put aside all differences and hold hands while singing campfire songs about friendship and unicorn farts is just juvenile and naive. Conflict is a part of existence. Get used to it.
I never liked history in school, so there's so much I don't know. Learning about this stuff is just... Has there ever been a place where colonialism didn't leave a mess?
United States, Canada, Australia, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Hawaii, combined pacific islands, Philippines, Brazil, other in south america (messed that up on their own), Hong Kong etc. If you forget, some accidentally on purpose genocide. Seriously though the Philippines and Brazil did pretty well the others are debatable.
@@matthewdilger6755 The US and Australia did not do well at all. Nearly all the population of both countries was deliberately wiped out.
@@matthewdilger6755 Clearly you didn’t pay attention in school either. All of those countries were left in a mess by colonialism - the fact that many of them have a high standard of living is obviously confusing you. Take Canada - it had several uprisings resisting colonial control, including one as recently as the 1970s. The colonial divide and conquer method still prevails and we have intense ethnic and regional divides. Basically, colonialism only works if the land is uninhabited and relatively isolated like Iceland.
@@matthewdilger6755 you obviously slept through every history class.
Brazil?
Interesting video, Britain was being kicked out to a rushed timescale forced on it, but it seems that everyone was surprised by the scale of the problems created by partition and the violence it generated. That doesn’t seem to be reflected in pop culture which seems to see partition and its horrors as being entirely Britain’s responsibility.
I mean, the one common factor that Pakistani and Indian people can unite around is that they want self-government rather than British rule, so it's no suprise they focus on that and blame Britain - who's too far away to really suffer from their ire - rather than eachother and their own people in the interests of maintaining some semblance of peace. Also, blaming Britian/colonialism is kindof a blank cheque for their government to blame for everything without appearing weak (which would be bad when they're the main thing holding 1.4 billion people together), so playing up the Britain=evil narrative as much as possible is really beneficial to everyone on the Indian subcontinent even if it's not the whole truth.
Unfortunately for Britain, because so many of its ex-colonies rely on anti-colonial propaganda to legitimise their current governments (and having the biggest empire ever means there aren't many neutral nations to give balanced accounts), the shared propaganda will be interpreted as truth in the eyes of future historians even if things didn't happen that way - that's not to say Britain was blame free of course - it made more than a few mistakes and did more than a few monsterours things - it's just not as unequivocably evil as some make it out to be.
Did you know that the boundary commission whose head was Radcliffe had 4 members each from the Congress party and Muslim League ? Radcliffe's mistake was shared by these people and even more so because being Indians they had a better idea of Indian geography. Also, Mountbatten's initial suggestion was to delegate the responsibility of drawing the boundary to United Nations but the Indian leaders rejected the idea.
Hot take: Britain left India 347 years late.
And they still haven't got their sh!t together! Corrupt, racist, riven by ethnic and religious tension, the Caste System. I know the Caste System is officially long gone, well before Independence, but it is still effectively there!
@@owenshebbeare2999 Not gonna lie, I thought you were talking about Britain until you mentioned the caste system 😂 Lots of developed states have massive religious/ethnic divides (Belgium, Northern Ireland, the American South), and lots still have a class system with little social mobility (like a de facto caste system). So India has lots of issues, but not more than most other states.
@@domtweed7323 most other countries aren't starving to death as a cheeseburger with legs steps over their carcass.
@@SkunkApe407who is responsible for that poverty? The Brits heavily taxed the Indians and brought the GDP down to 2% when it used to be in the 20s.
@@Anna-pm3fq wrong. Unchecked reproduction and mass overpopulation caused that poverty.
A little reminder that a certain group literally can’t get along with anyone
I know it seems that racists can't get along with anyone, people of other races, their own race, they can't even get along with other racists
yes the religion of peace always gets attacked by everyone else and it's never their fault
@@ilajoie3 I have to give you credit for admitting your racism. It's not OK, but your honesty is refreshing. There may be hope for you yet!
the brits?
As soon as the white people left and the natives were in charge it fell to shit. Nothing racist about that just the honest truth.
Of all nations the UK given their experience should be experts by this time drawing lines on maps to create nations. Yet they screwed it up again. If one didn't know any better you would think it was on purpose given the extraordinary incompetency that would make a Frenchmen or Italian blush.
Simon great job and I loved your outro you really are the best of all the generic bald headed youtubers!
Simon lad--with (actually quite good) videos like this, you keep flirting around the edges of the thing I keep yelling at you to cover: the Atlantic Charter. Churchill only very reluctantly signed the document that FDR crafted as both a rationale for why liberal democracies had to resist the fascists in 1941 and also a roadmap for the postwar world.
The bloody Atlantic Charter is mega-important and highly relevant because its 8 short points guaranteed to every nation the right of self-determination and an equitable world. Free trade not controlled by the cartels of the rich countries. Fundamental human rights, dignity and "freedom from want" for every person on earth...and absolutely no more colonies, no more imperial adventures.
Viewed through the lens of the Atlantic Charter, we can see exactly where we went wrong almost immediately after WWII, as the US helped the Brits, the French and the Dutch to recapture their colonial empires in territories only recently taken from the dastardly Japanese. And we can also march right through our entire wretched postwar history using the Atlantic Charter as the standard we created--probably the most important statement of democratic, egalitarian principle ever written--and which we have almost always turned our backs on.
So, and for the love of God, man! Do an episode on the Atlantic Charter already! Better yet, spin off another Simon Whistler spin-off from it--an ongoing series that examines just how far off the mark we have fallen, again and again, as we sold our souls to soulless corporations and military hegemonists over the past 75 years. C'mon, dude! Your scriptwriters have to be competent enough to deal with this. The Charter is a two-minute read, fer chrissakes! Using it, you lads can revisit properly things you've already covered, such as the infamous Operation Paperclip and the creation of the modern national security state in 1947, Harry Truman's sole regret (not the Bomb), the Official Secrets portion of which overrides all civilian and elected representative control over how states conduct themselves, both internationally and domestically.
Please?
Seconding this.
FDR wanted decolonisation but the Soviet vs The West conflict undermined that goal. Your view excludes Stalin. Which is a problem.