How crucial is transparency and open communication in the aviation industry when it comes to addressing safety concerns and preventing accidents like those involving the Boeing 737 series?
Not being dramatic... there was a small chance that I could had been on this flight..... I drove to Dallas to change colleges for a girl....and changed my mind and drove back.... If I hadn't... I would had likely flown to Dallas and flown back to Pittsburgh... around this date... I had flown US Air quite a few times... the DFW- ORD - PIT a few times.... Just saying...this tragedy hit me hard.... idk I know roughly where this plane went down... behind the old Hills store off hwy 60 .... Love to all...
Ive watched so many of these that I’m at the point that when my check engine light in my car came on I started running checklists on my car for fuel contamination, rudder hardover with reversal problems or potential flap issues all while yelling at my co pilot who doesn’t exist in an empty passengers seat. Thankfully I didn’t have to call the dealership and demand they ground the fleet of cars. It was my loose gas cap .
I grew up right next to the park United 585 crashed at. Always saw the memorial and wondered what exactly happened. Met some people that lived in the apartments a few hundred feet away that lived there when it happened. They had some crazy stories about finding body parts that landed in the complex
If you seen the funny news story of the whale being blown up on the beach in the 1970's, apply that to an airplane hitting the ground at 600mph and you get a idea of the extreme velocity of the crash. I remember reading a story years ago, not sure if it was true or not, a air conditioner installer was working on the roof a building near where the WTC was, and he found a skeltonized hand with rings and bracelets on it on the roof of the building. They did testing on it and found out it was one of the passengers of United 175.
These investigators are such great men. I could never get over my fear of flying, until I started watching Air Crash Inv. It’s absolutely incredible to see a team solve these crashes from such destruction on land & sea, but gut wrenching to learn that good pilots fight so hard when a greedy company cuts corners (like the Alaska airline pilots with the un-greased jackscrew on that MD80, that was tough to watch)
yeah this one was weird since it's not actually an issue that cause damage to the component that malfunctioned. the component actually worked just fine after the event was over. the trick was figuring out what it was doing.
Yeah and they knew about the problem but a 2nd opinion said it was safe. I think the guy's name is John who blew the whistle on Alaska airlines. He ended up suing them and got like $500K but could never work at Alaska airlines ever again.
It still boggles the mind that the Sully movie painted them as not just villains, but idiots. Like the only way they could have made the mistakes they made in that movie is if they decided to never actually look at the recorders, the first thing they did! Not only that, but Sully actually had to threaten to pull out of the press tour if they didn't remove scenes that painted them as even more villainous! Like goddamn man! We don't need people distrusting one of the few agencies that really does work!
@@lawrence142002 Fwiw, it's 200K times more dangerous to be in a moving car than to be a passenger on an airplane. Crashes just get a lot of press due to multiple casualties. Enjoy life. Take care, amigo
How can one even determine that there was dirt on the parts of the plane after it ditched in some dirt? There were pieces everywhere. There are more beings in the skies that just airplanes. Please do not forget that. Okay?
IU feel for the ATC who saw the plane go from normal flight ending to the spiraling in to the ground. There are some things that you just cannot unsee. What a horrible thing to see.
I was working for USAir in management during 427 disaster. I had to call a number of families that evening and say your husband / wife / son / daughter are not coming home. Worst day of my life. A certain manufacturer salesman was trying to put blame on the pilots. The real truth came out about faulty rudder.
It's rather sad to imagine the anguish and the lack of closure many of the victims' family got in terms of not having conclusive evidence as to why their loved ones lost their lives, because this investigation lingered so long.
I'm thankful for the NTSB and the solving of the problems associated with dangerous aircraft systems and feel confident that air flight is mostly safe depending where you fly and the regulations that are observed but it's still a problem with maintaining the aircraft systems that remains a problem.
I love watching these air crash investigations over and over again and it doesnt deter me from flying at all.Its very fascinating to me to watch and understand how they found the answers they needed.
I live in Colorado Springs and had 2 close friends on that flight. Paula and Fred were dating and were returning home from a vacation in Hawaii. She had young children. There were so many incorrect and terrible rumors about that crash that I eventually stopped watching reports of it. RIP everyone on that flight. Thank god that the real reason for these 2 crashes was found!
It was absolutely chilling to hear the captain of the plane that survived say that he'd instructed his first officer to locate a dark area. I can't even begin to imagine what it's like to be that sure that a crash is inevitable.
Crossover Speed is the speed that requires FULL lateral roll control from ailerons & spoilers to counter roll due to Yaw caused by FULL rudder input. At speeds less than crossover speed with FULL rudder input the roll induced by the rudder starts to exceed the lateral control authority of the ailerons and spoilers. Both 585 and 427 had the hard-over occurred at higher speed recovery might have be more achievable 585-That close to the runway at low altitude your chances are slim to none. 427-had the altitude but not the speed. It was quick the crew did not have time to recover.
@@seeb8057yeah but the cost of simulator time is insane. Plus I don’t know how they fit a camera crew inside of a simulator. Would be still cool to see the production side of this series.
I was a surgical intern post call when US Air 427 went down. No one was allowed to leave and residents who were home were called back with the expectation and hope of survivors. My hospital was the expected destination of any crash victims. EMS crews from our choppers we saw later that night were debated at what they saw. Everyone was shaken by it.
Most addictive! But educational. Hats off to the investigators who are the most impressive and diligent workers known to man. As always feel horrible for the souls aboard the airline as well as the crew. I ask myself why I would watch when I know I will board a plane this winter to Maui to visit my daughter who lives there !! Yikes '" daughter says not a good idea !!
That controller’s reaction is a lot more relatable than what we usually see. Most of the time they’re like, “Oh dear, an airplane has crashed. That’s unfortunate.”
It's more relatable but less ideal. There are actually... other planes ATC needs to keep track of since usually before a crash the airspace usually isn't cleared (if they get a Mayday call they will usually clear the airspace of other planes but in a lot of these cases the plane crashes too early for them to even contact ATC). So "Oh dear an airplane has crashed. That's unfortunate. I'll notify the appropriate team of the problem. Well, let me make sure these other planes don't hit each other while they are in my airspace" is more ideal than "crash!" but in practice the latter reaction is more realistic. You're supposed to keep these emotions in check while on the clock both during routine day to day communication and during disasters and save any reaction for after the clock, but it is difficult to avoid a horrified reaction when a bunch of people die before your eyes.
I always wished I was an NTSB investigator instead of a nurse. I love airplanes and the idea of finding out what went wrong when one crashes fascinates me. The terror passengers face and knowing how hard pilots fight to save their airplane intrigues me.
5:30 the way she screamed omg sounded so real!! She’s a great actor. Made me feel the fear and passion into how the actual victims were feeling right before the crash 😔
All I can say is, Thank God for nerds! I’m so glad the NTSB people finally were able to figure out what happened and to find the solution to those crashes, which has obviously worked or there would have been more crashes.
We had to prepare for a crash landing. Last seconds , the wheels came out. We were in a long holding patter , rerouted to Seatac. Back over Juan de Fuca straights then someone yelled " we're dumping fuel. Scary.
Right off the bat, something I’ve never understood is why fly from Denver to Colorado Springs when they are only separated by 70 miles from center city to center city? You hardly feel like you’re out of one and in the other when you drive the Interstate… ?
I'm not from that area, I'm a native to Florida (Miami) so when I read your comment I had to check it out. Yeah it's about 70 driving miles, an hour drive. Why would anyone fly commercial for that short of a distance, and the bigger question is, why would a an airline fly a 737 for such a short distance? I can see maybe a twin engine prop (commuter) plane. But a 737?
@@ScarabChrisAnother possibility is plane relocation. the airline has a plane landing at one airport but they need to transfer over to a different airport to pick up a larger number of people. eg. you have 70 people flying to airport A and 80 people trying to fly out of airport B and they are close enough together that you can use the plane landing at A to pickup at B. plus you can open up that flight to the public to recoup the costs for relocating the plane to the new airport.
Most people flying into the Springs from Denver are not from Denver, but are on connecting flights from other cities. I have flown into the Springs on connecting flights from other cities.
That area between about denver and the NV border can develop ferocious wind patterns and meso-cyclone storms, I've flown through and to different cities there and have seen and terrifyingly experienced. It's not usually bad going over, but we hit windshear that knocked us down 500' ft in seconds taking off from Pitkin Co airport, it was wasn't like a pitch down dive, it was eerie, like when Wiley E Coyote thinks he's ok, but drops straight down. We weren't more than 3000' from the ground, in thin air, in a narrow mountain pass with 13,000ft peaks around and a valley floor of 7000' or so. Only time I've been that scared on a flight, even when I got out of some at 13'000! It's such a dangerous place to have any kind of malfunction at all, and we had a sharp, retired vet local pilot. He kept the plane incredibly tightly controlled through it, had thought ahead about what if... Pilots are sharp people, and you're in it together.
I was living in Aliquippa, PA when US Air 427 crashed. Words can't describe how shocking it was. My husband & I were across the river just doing some fishing. When sirens started going off, we didn't think much of it at first. When they got more intense and were coming from all directions, we decided to go home. When we couldn't get to our apartment because all the streets were blocked off, we turned the radio on. That's how we found out.
I was working on the tarmac in Charlotte for 427 it actually originated in CLT and maintenance was called to look at the rudder on the aircraft. The Captain decided to take the plane to Chicago where the deplaning passengers told the crew they heard a noise coming from the rear of the plane. The Captain decided to go on to PIT because it was the last leg of a 4 day trip, he had the final say and he wanted to go anyway and got everyone killed. My friend Stanley was a crew member on that flight,glad I got to see him one last time damn 😢
I get it. It's still surreal to think about, but our friend was engaged to a pilot who was partially blamed for his plane's crash. (There were no survivors.) Though the actual cause of the crash remains in dispute, it still added to their grief. Then one family of a victim implied it was a deliberate act and unsuccessfully tried to sue his estate. (The NTSB fought their assertion and explained such accusations were more common than is generally realized.) Rest in peace to the victims.
The New Yorker did a very thorough and fabulous article on the USAir 427 crash. It gives a very in-depth look a crash investigations. I learned so much.
Bishop and his first officer would later on witness & report the TWA Flight 800 disaster to the ATC and the same plane that he flew that which almost crashed also was used the night of the Flight 800 explosion.
You know when you watch a tv show and then there is adverts. so they recap over and over. Obviously, the adverts have been cut. But this could of been 25 mins long!
The 737 has never been the “most popular” airliner, not with passengers. It was just the cheapest option for airlines doing short haul flights. Popular with the airlines doesn’t count.
I have a question. In both United 585 and US Air 427 the investigation found that chips/shavings of metal were found in the hydraulic fluid. But, when conducting the “chilling test” no chips/shavings were found. So does this mean that the NTSB’s investigation is still off somewhere or am I missing something.
My understanding is that there are filters that surround the servo valves . So yes there are metal shavings in the fluid but they get caught by the filters. That's why when they inspected the valves and found them clean with no scratches. They assumed the Servo Valves were working correctly. But when they ran the test for (Thermal Shock) is when they realized that when the hot hydraulic fluid would enter the valve that had temperatures ranging in the -30 to -40 degrees that the valve would malfunction...
How they figure out what has happened is amazing. This one too longer than most but they found out the reason in the end. The ultimate who/what done it.
"The mystery isn't solved until 150 people are dead" like they were waiting for the last few people to die before they could solve it 😂 i love the narration in these old documentaries
The test @ min 42:00 - 42:16 is improperly conducted. The "Pegasus" valve would never be dry during flight. It would have oil on both high and low sides and in the lines. The oil would be cooled @ gradual levels away from the pump, then reheated @ the pump. They tested for expansion lock up. My G&L cnc machines used the same valves for axis drive. Very, Very reliable and extremely expensive.
United 585 - the biggest fragment of human remains recovered were the pilots feet. One investigator described it as the victims being virtually "vaporized". I did the morbid calculations whether that was physically even possible and indeed, it is...
Jesus…. Just the man’s feet.. how awful. I feel so bad for the families of the victims. Having an empty grave and no real body of your loved one to lay to rest.
This is why I'm always nervous when I fly. The most dangerous incidents generally happen right after take off or just prior to landing. I'm sorry all these people died due a software glitch. 😕 I'd be livid. I'll have look up to see if they were sued because I imagine lawsuits would have caused bankruptcy but here we are and they're still here.
even before the rudder malfunction, i could see Capt Green looking extremely stressed and tensed up as he turns the steering wheel completely to the left.. does this mean that the flight controls had failed?
I will never forget the Pittsburgh crash. A friend of mine was a paramedic. He was one of the people on the seen. What he described was just unforgettable. I wont get into all of it but one thing that haunts me is he saw a man and a woman's hand holding each other.
Slightly off topic, but the Red Cross are absolutely indispensable for rescue workers and disaster impacted survivors alike. That cup of coffee and hot dog keep you going when you think you can't take one more step. Thank you, volunteers and donors, for the good you do.
The maps are wrong. 1:47 It shows flight 585 over the San Juan Mountains approaching the New Mexico border which is far from Denver and Colorado Springs. 3:01 Blue map then shows flight 585 over northern Nebraska.
I simply cannot imagine being an investigator walking onto these kinds of sites with nothing more then tiny chunks of human remains lying around everywhere. It makes me sick just to think of it. This was one of the most sinister hidden issues and that the 3rd plane was able to (just by sheer luck) survive, was I thoroughly believe God giving them the ability to solve this.
It prompts the question , why didn't this happen more often in such a widely used plane. The weather/climate/temperature situations were widely varied in these crashes. So the wildly fluctuating temperature tests that were done on the rudder apparatus wouldn't have duplicated the situation in these crashes. It seems like they have figured out part of the issue but not the entire thing. It also reminds me of the weird things that happened to navigating instruments of both aircraft and ships in the Bermuda Triangle when natural gas was released in their paths and they had no idea what was going on. I don't know if it affected the ships and planes themselves or just the navigation systems. When those systems are relied upon and the captains adjust their controls accordingly you can see how they could be the cause of disasters.
You did not just say that !!! SOME PAY F'ING CHECK IS MORE VALUABLE THEN PEOPLES LIFE'S ??? DO YOU HAVE A MOTHER FATHER BROTHER DAUGHTER SONS. Well let me say I don't care if they die. Don't judge, I have to get my Outback steak with my whole family. We will give a toast to . "THANK GOD THEY ALL DIE ON A REGULAR BASIS. OR WE WOULDN'T HAVE A MONEY !! CHEERS. 🥂🍻🍾 P.S HURRY UP AND GET THAT STEAK MY BABY IS HUNGRY! P.S.S AND I NEED TO KEEP MY BABY HAPPY AND ALIVE!! W.T.F ??? 😮😮😮
I LOVE these Air Disasters shows.😍 I watch them all day, and night. I am addicted, to these Air Disasters shows. I am behind, on chores, late to my Doctor's appts., sleep deprived, etc., because I am so enamored with these Air Disasters shows.😎 Also, a huge shout-out, to the NTSB Investigators, for solving all Airplane crashes.👍 Flying, is much safer, than it has ever been. There has [not] been a Commercial Jetliner, to crash in the [United States], since February, 2009.🙏 This is a major feat, in itself!
Not sure why producers feel that extreme close ups of peoples faces is good story telling....my entire 65 inch screen is often filled with one eyeball or mouth or nose...delightful.....
Not shown if any extreme vibrational testing of the PCU was included with the temperature shock tests. Turbulence was evidenced just before both accidents.
It makes me not to want to fly again I get scared every time I am on a plane like taking off and landing but sometimes I feel like when we are way up in the sky there’s nothing anyone can do just have pray 🙏
What is not included here is that even after definitively discovering the cause of these crashes, 737s were allowed to fly with old style PCUs until they could be replaced. Being familiar with Parker/Hannifan hydraulic rudder control valves as installed on large marine vessel applications, I believe they are excellent and continue to be the industry standard.
There are some people in the aviation industry and NTSB invistigators who think that we never got it right but after talking to engineer's, pilots and many other people i know that we got it right!!!!!
I have a few questions as a layman so excuse my ignorance. 1. With propeller engines the blades can be feathered. As an emergency procedure, what if the pilots could force the rudder to feather? Wouldn't this enable them the right the plane? 2. If the plane wants to roll either left or right, instead of fighting it and trying to force it the other way, how about rolling the plane completely over and try to keep it right once it's completed the roll? 3. At the end of the video it showed two planes and it looked like there a parachute attached to the tail. Anyone know why?
How crucial is transparency and open communication in the aviation industry when it comes to addressing safety concerns and preventing accidents like those involving the Boeing 737 series?
Very very crucial
It’s always been and it will always be PROFIT OVER PEOPLE
How important is the brain to think?
Very important
Not being dramatic... there was a small chance that I could had been on this flight.....
I drove to Dallas to change colleges for a girl....and changed my mind and drove back....
If I hadn't... I would had likely flown to Dallas and flown back to Pittsburgh... around this date...
I had flown US Air quite a few times... the DFW- ORD - PIT a few times....
Just saying...this tragedy hit me hard.... idk
I know roughly where this plane went down... behind the old Hills store off hwy 60 ....
Love to all...
The guy who narrates these videos does a spectacular job. It's almost like you're in a movie.
To unjam airplane Rutter or gain control.... Pump both directions right or wrong feel for effect
@@jackparker8686 Add a pinch of salt for taste.
He does good but I prefer the Air Disasters narrator
true
He good, but I prefer the original narrator Stephen Bogaert 😊
Ive watched so many of these that I’m at the point that when my check engine light in my car came on I started running checklists on my car for fuel contamination, rudder hardover with reversal problems or potential flap issues all while yelling at my co pilot who doesn’t exist in an empty passengers seat. Thankfully I didn’t have to call the dealership and demand they ground the fleet of cars. It was my loose gas cap .
@bubbaolive883: Send in your report to the NTSB ASAP! 🤣
Just as well your loose gas cap didn't get sucked into the engine of a DC-10, what have those poor planes ever done to anyone🙄
Too funny. When I get on the on ramp, I get up to speed and whisper "V-1"...when I merge onto the interstate I then whisper "rotate".
@@marcusant6895yea I'm also a bit paranoid about my car. Just bought an Audi and I'm performing a checklist first thing in the morning😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Who else is stuck in air crash investigation seris ?
Me 🤝🏻
Me, while I also have a crippling fear of flying as well. I don’t know why I watch this stuff constantly!
Like why tho
I am.
I think it is interesting in the improvements that have been made and how much safer flying is now.
I grew up right next to the park United 585 crashed at. Always saw the memorial and wondered what exactly happened. Met some people that lived in the apartments a few hundred feet away that lived there when it happened. They had some crazy stories about finding body parts that landed in the complex
If you seen the funny news story of the whale being blown up on the beach in the 1970's, apply that to an airplane hitting the ground at 600mph and you get a idea of the extreme velocity of the crash. I remember reading a story years ago, not sure if it was true or not, a air conditioner installer was working on the roof a building near where the WTC was, and he found a skeltonized hand with rings and bracelets on it on the roof of the building. They did testing on it and found out it was one of the passengers of United 175.
These investigators are such great men. I could never get over my fear of flying, until I started watching Air Crash Inv. It’s absolutely incredible to see a team solve these crashes from such destruction on land & sea, but gut wrenching to learn that good pilots fight so hard when a greedy company cuts corners (like the Alaska airline pilots with the un-greased jackscrew on that MD80, that was tough to watch)
yeah this one was weird since it's not actually an issue that cause damage to the component that malfunctioned. the component actually worked just fine after the event was over. the trick was figuring out what it was doing.
Yeah and they knew about the problem but a 2nd opinion said it was safe. I think the guy's name is John who blew the whistle on Alaska airlines. He ended up suing them and got like $500K but could never work at Alaska airlines ever again.
It still boggles the mind that the Sully movie painted them as not just villains, but idiots. Like the only way they could have made the mistakes they made in that movie is if they decided to never actually look at the recorders, the first thing they did! Not only that, but Sully actually had to threaten to pull out of the press tour if they didn't remove scenes that painted them as even more villainous! Like goddamn man! We don't need people distrusting one of the few agencies that really does work!
Some feel the opposite. They never feared flying until they started watching these videos of air crashes.
I was living in Pittsburgh in 1994 and remember the crash of US Air 427. My husband was working at the airport that evening for US Air Express.
I've lived here my whole life and was 6 years old at the time. I remember seeing news stories about it and it instigated a lifelong fear of flying.
@@lawrence142002
Fwiw, it's 200K times more dangerous to be in a moving car than to be a passenger on an airplane. Crashes just get a lot of press due to multiple casualties.
Enjoy life. Take care, amigo
As a pilot, I most always learn something from these videos. Sad for the crew and passengers.
Did you learn the Earth is flat yet?
How can one even determine that there was dirt on the parts of the plane after it ditched in some dirt? There were pieces everywhere. There are more beings in the skies that just airplanes. Please do not forget that. Okay?
LMAO what??@@KarenKremer-smith
@@CharlesSimmons-y8juntil you nearly death you will learn that's earth is flat, science fiction for sure
as an airplane, I agree with u
IU feel for the ATC who saw the plane go from normal flight ending to the spiraling in to the ground. There are some things that you just cannot unsee. What a horrible thing to see.
Even worse knowing how helpless atc actually is
I was working for USAir in management during 427 disaster. I had to call a number of families that evening and say your husband / wife / son / daughter are not coming home. Worst day of my life. A certain manufacturer salesman was trying to put blame on the pilots. The real truth came out about faulty rudder.
It's cheaper to blame the dead pilots than to spend millions or billions fixing the planes.
It's rather sad to imagine the anguish and the lack of closure many of the victims' family got in terms of not having conclusive evidence as to why their loved ones lost their lives, because this investigation lingered so long.
I'm thankful for the NTSB and the solving of the problems associated with dangerous aircraft systems and feel confident that air flight is mostly safe depending where you fly and the regulations that are observed but it's still a problem with maintaining the aircraft systems that remains a problem.
I love watching these air crash investigations over and over again and it doesnt deter me from flying at all.Its very fascinating to me to watch and understand how they found the answers they needed.
I live in Colorado Springs and had 2 close friends on that flight. Paula and Fred were dating and were returning home from a vacation in Hawaii. She had young children. There were so many incorrect and terrible rumors about that crash that I eventually stopped watching reports of it. RIP everyone on that flight. Thank god that the real reason for these 2 crashes was found!
I am sorry for your loss. It is good they were finally able to solve the mystery after 2 crashes and a near crash
I find myself continuously watching these airline investigations. It is both emotional and very informative.
It was absolutely chilling to hear the captain of the plane that survived say that he'd instructed his first officer to locate a dark area. I can't even begin to imagine what it's like to be that sure that a crash is inevitable.
Crossover Speed is the speed that requires FULL lateral roll control from ailerons & spoilers to counter roll due to Yaw caused by FULL rudder input. At speeds less than crossover speed with FULL rudder input the roll induced by the rudder starts to exceed the lateral control authority of the ailerons and spoilers.
Both 585 and 427 had the hard-over occurred at higher speed recovery might have be more achievable
585-That close to the runway at low altitude your chances are slim to none.
427-had the altitude but not the speed. It was quick the crew did not have time to recover.
That's fascinating. Thank you for the explanation. I've always been intrigued by air travel.
I want to see a video on how they make these documentaries. The footage and animation is amazing and paint a really good picture of what happened.
Most likely in a simulator
@@seeb8057yeah but the cost of simulator time is insane. Plus I don’t know how they fit a camera crew inside of a simulator. Would be still cool to see the production side of this series.
well actually, im pretty sure its a show which used to be broadcasted on TV, and these episodes are from the late 1990s and early 2000s
A video about how a video is made … Hmmmm
@@CP-ux9zd yeah it’s fascinating
I was a surgical intern post call when US Air 427 went down. No one was allowed to leave and residents who were home were called back with the expectation and hope of survivors. My hospital was the expected destination of any crash victims. EMS crews from our choppers we saw later that night were debated at what they saw. Everyone was shaken by it.
I am totally addicted. I’ve watched them while flying.
. Really??? 😅 Can you imagine what other passengers thought if they heard what you were listening to? Freak out!!!
Most addictive! But educational. Hats off to the investigators who are the most impressive and diligent workers known to man. As always feel horrible for the souls aboard the airline as well as the crew. I ask myself why I would watch when I know I will board a plane this winter to Maui to visit my daughter who lives there !! Yikes '" daughter says not a good idea !!
This series always pops up before I have to go on a trip....
Lol same here. My flight is next week 😩
I got a flight to FL coming up on 22nd.. God Speed 😅
@@AntG703 me being on a flight for 12 hours over the ocean for the majority of the time is no joke 😭
Antg703 make sure counting stars doesn’t come on just before takeoff
Be careful. It may be a sign... lol
That controller’s reaction is a lot more relatable than what we usually see. Most of the time they’re like, “Oh dear, an airplane has crashed. That’s unfortunate.”
It's more relatable but less ideal. There are actually... other planes ATC needs to keep track of since usually before a crash the airspace usually isn't cleared (if they get a Mayday call they will usually clear the airspace of other planes but in a lot of these cases the plane crashes too early for them to even contact ATC). So "Oh dear an airplane has crashed. That's unfortunate. I'll notify the appropriate team of the problem. Well, let me make sure these other planes don't hit each other while they are in my airspace" is more ideal than "crash!" but in practice the latter reaction is more realistic. You're supposed to keep these emotions in check while on the clock both during routine day to day communication and during disasters and save any reaction for after the clock, but it is difficult to avoid a horrified reaction when a bunch of people die before your eyes.
They are supposed to keep their emotions on check, as much as humanly possible.
This tragedy called as "hidden danger" inside aircraft after solving it for 10 years.
Depersonalization is a trauma response
@@alex_zetsuYeah. And even if they don't externally react, most DO have some kind of internal emotional reaction and need a break.
No my friend, i am 100% sure that the NTSB, passenger and everyone watching this is happy that u survived and got the plane down safe❤️
Please upload more of these. I adore this series.
I feel for any navigator knowing they have -00:02-00:10 seconds to save lives & crew - ship/ plane can’t be selfish at that time
Thank you for such a detailed and comprehensive video!
I always wished I was an NTSB investigator instead of a nurse. I love airplanes and the idea of finding out what went wrong when one crashes fascinates me. The terror passengers face and knowing how hard pilots fight to save their airplane intrigues me.
The last plane had luck. I think it had more time then the others for the pilot to control plane.
I remember Flight 427 going down. I live just outside of Pittsburgh, about 15 miles from where it crashed. I'll never forget it.
5:30 the way she screamed omg sounded so real!! She’s a great actor. Made me feel the fear and passion into how the actual victims were feeling right before the crash 😔
She sounded like she was having the best organism of her life 😕
@@dirtypimpbird 😯👌😆😄😅🤣
The boeing wail
Why are these so addictive 🤬
We all want to know if people survived or not.
All I can say is, Thank God for nerds! I’m so glad the NTSB people finally were able to figure out what happened and to find the solution to those crashes, which has obviously worked or there would have been more crashes.
Thanks Mayday❤
We had to prepare for a crash landing. Last seconds , the wheels came out. We were in a long holding patter , rerouted to Seatac. Back over Juan de Fuca straights then someone yelled " we're dumping fuel. Scary.
But did that particular condition occur in both the crashes? They didn't talk about this.
This is one of my favorite episodes of all time.
What is strange though, is that I remember seeing this same exact video on United 585 many years ago, but then it completely disappeared from RUclips.
Yeah, the algorithm can be cruel sometimes. No, thankyou youtube, but I don't want reminders of how I can die WHILE I'M SITTING AT THE GATE.
Every time I board a plane now I feel like an investigator trying to prevent a crash checking out everything on the plane I possibly can.
Right off the bat, something I’ve never understood is why fly from Denver to Colorado Springs when they are only separated by 70 miles from center city to center city? You hardly feel like you’re out of one and in the other when you drive the Interstate… ?
I'm not from that area, I'm a native to Florida (Miami) so when I read your comment I had to check it out. Yeah it's about 70 driving miles, an hour drive. Why would anyone fly commercial for that short of a distance, and the bigger question is, why would a an airline fly a 737 for such a short distance? I can see maybe a twin engine prop (commuter) plane. But a 737?
Denver is a United Airlines hub. Most passengers are not flying from Denver to Colorado Springs but are connecting through Denver.
@@ScarabChrisAnother possibility is plane relocation. the airline has a plane landing at one airport but they need to transfer over to a different airport to pick up a larger number of people. eg. you have 70 people flying to airport A and 80 people trying to fly out of airport B and they are close enough together that you can use the plane landing at A to pickup at B. plus you can open up that flight to the public to recoup the costs for relocating the plane to the new airport.
@@hi14993 You make it sound like airlines are smart. :)
Most people flying into the Springs from Denver are not from Denver, but are on connecting flights from other cities. I have flown into the Springs on connecting flights from other cities.
That area between about denver and the NV border can develop ferocious wind patterns and meso-cyclone storms, I've flown through and to different cities there and have seen and terrifyingly experienced. It's not usually bad going over, but we hit windshear that knocked us down 500' ft in seconds taking off from Pitkin Co airport, it was wasn't like a pitch down dive, it was eerie, like when Wiley E Coyote thinks he's ok, but drops straight down. We weren't more than 3000' from the ground, in thin air, in a narrow mountain pass with 13,000ft peaks around and a valley floor of 7000' or so. Only time I've been that scared on a flight, even when I got out of some at 13'000! It's such a dangerous place to have any kind of malfunction at all, and we had a sharp, retired vet local pilot. He kept the plane incredibly tightly controlled through it, had thought ahead about what if... Pilots are sharp people, and you're in it together.
Makes we want to avoid these dangerous places. I'll never fly in to Colorado Springs.
Am I the only person who loved watching these as a kid and was surprised that they still make them?
I was living in Aliquippa, PA when US Air 427 crashed. Words can't describe how shocking it was. My husband & I were across the river just doing some fishing. When sirens started going off, we didn't think much of it at first. When they got more intense and were coming from all directions, we decided to go home. When we couldn't get to our apartment because all the streets were blocked off, we turned the radio on. That's how we found out.
Thanks for your story.
@@shawnpa How horrible!! Thanks for sharing. Glad you were safe
I was working on the tarmac in Charlotte for 427 it actually originated in CLT and maintenance was called to look at the rudder on the aircraft. The Captain decided to take the plane to Chicago where the deplaning passengers told the crew they heard a noise coming from the rear of the plane. The Captain decided to go on to PIT because it was the last leg of a 4 day trip, he had the final say and he wanted to go anyway and got everyone killed. My friend Stanley was a crew member on that flight,glad I got to see him one last time damn 😢
I get it.
It's still surreal to think about, but our friend was engaged to a pilot who was partially
blamed for his plane's crash. (There were no survivors.)
Though the actual
cause of the crash
remains in dispute, it still added to their grief.
Then one family of a victim implied it was a deliberate act and unsuccessfully tried to sue his estate. (The NTSB fought their assertion and explained such accusations were more common than is generally realized.)
Rest in peace to the victims.
with all the Boeing stuff happening recently this video hits different
Please continue upload these episodes 😊
The New Yorker did a very thorough and fabulous article on the USAir 427 crash. It gives a very in-depth look a crash investigations. I learned so much.
Billions and the airline industry at risk? What about passengers?
Shhhh boeing ,sweep it under there rug
Bishop and his first officer would later on witness & report the TWA Flight 800 disaster to the ATC and the same plane that he flew that which almost crashed also was used the night of the Flight 800 explosion.
You know when you watch a tv show and then there is adverts. so they recap over and over. Obviously, the adverts have been cut. But this could of been 25 mins long!
The 737 has never been the “most popular” airliner, not with passengers. It was just the cheapest option for airlines doing short haul flights.
Popular with the airlines doesn’t count.
Indeed a dangerous union made company of failure
I have a question. In both United 585 and US Air 427 the investigation found that chips/shavings of metal were found in the hydraulic fluid.
But, when conducting the “chilling test” no chips/shavings were found.
So does this mean that the NTSB’s investigation is still off somewhere or am I missing something.
My understanding is that there are filters that surround the servo valves . So yes there are metal shavings in the fluid but they get caught by the filters. That's why when they inspected the valves and found them clean with no scratches. They assumed the Servo Valves were working correctly. But when they ran the test for (Thermal Shock) is when they realized that when the hot hydraulic fluid would enter the valve that had temperatures ranging in the -30 to -40 degrees that the valve would malfunction...
How they figure out what has happened is amazing. This one too longer than most but they found out the reason in the end. The ultimate who/what done it.
"The mystery isn't solved until 150 people are dead" like they were waiting for the last few people to die before they could solve it 😂 i love the narration in these old documentaries
I feel like the mystery didn't start until a certain amount died
Every time a new mayday video comes out I get interested and then realize they already released the same video. Double-dipping for more views?
I blame watching these shows as a kid contributing to my flight anxiety lol.
That’d be such a helpless feeling as an ATC or witness watching this happen in front of you!
Is it weird I watch plane crash documentaries all the time and still LOVE flying on planes and anything to do with them?
The test @ min 42:00 - 42:16 is improperly conducted. The "Pegasus" valve would never be dry during flight. It would have oil on both high and low sides and in the lines. The oil would be cooled @ gradual levels away from the pump, then reheated @ the pump. They tested for expansion lock up. My G&L cnc machines used the same valves for axis drive. Very, Very reliable and extremely expensive.
The key word that only could allow "valve reversal" possible is Dual-servo valve that's used @ end of show.
Why did the 3rd incident release the plane? Twice the plane released and was able to land safely. Why did it release?
I'm hooked on this series ❤
Oh boy can't wait
United 585 - the biggest fragment of human remains recovered were the pilots feet. One investigator described it as the victims being virtually "vaporized".
I did the morbid calculations whether that was physically even possible and indeed, it is...
Whenever a female pilot is killed it sticks in my mind alot. These pilots didn't have control of the plane due to external maintenance factors.
Jesus…. Just the man’s feet.. how awful. I feel so bad for the families of the victims. Having an empty grave and no real body of your loved one to lay to rest.
@@Maskxprxsounds a bit sexist
Air disasters are:
Sad
Giving:
Information.
Did they say the NTSB investigates more than 2000 flight accidents a year? How can that be? That seems like a bunch.
Yeah 2000 planes crash every year
Private plane crashes, military, helicopters, etc. Many incidents are also not traditional accidents with no fatalities. They add up.
This is why I'm always nervous when I fly. The most dangerous incidents generally happen right after take off or just prior to landing. I'm sorry all these people died due a software glitch. 😕 I'd be livid. I'll have look up to see if they were sued because I imagine lawsuits would have caused bankruptcy but here we are and they're still here.
I'm sure they were sued....big time!
Me, and this is round 2...😂
I binged on them all last year
unbelievable ten years to find an answer to cause
5:46 CRASH! CRASH!
I knew a passenger on 427. Bless the investigators.
even before the rudder malfunction, i could see Capt Green looking extremely stressed and tensed up as he turns the steering wheel completely to the left.. does this mean that the flight controls had failed?
Did you not watch the whole video?
I will never forget the Pittsburgh crash. A friend of mine was a paramedic. He was one of the people on the seen. What he described was just unforgettable. I wont get into all of it but one thing that haunts me is he saw a man and a woman's hand holding each other.
That's crazy
I’m watching this because I live in Colorado Springs and I saw the memorial. I love this series so I immediately looked it up
finally a suitable film for my midnight snack
Slightly off topic, but the Red Cross are absolutely indispensable for rescue workers and disaster impacted survivors alike. That cup of coffee and hot dog keep you going when you think you can't take one more step. Thank you, volunteers and donors, for the good you do.
The maps are wrong. 1:47 It shows flight 585 over the San Juan Mountains approaching the New Mexico border which is far from Denver and Colorado Springs. 3:01 Blue map then shows flight 585 over northern Nebraska.
I simply cannot imagine being an investigator walking onto these kinds of sites with nothing more then tiny chunks of human remains lying around everywhere. It makes me sick just to think of it. This was one of the most sinister hidden issues and that the 3rd plane was able to (just by sheer luck) survive, was I thoroughly believe God giving them the ability to solve this.
It prompts the question , why didn't this happen more often in such a widely used plane. The weather/climate/temperature situations were widely varied in these crashes. So the wildly fluctuating temperature tests that were done on the rudder apparatus wouldn't have duplicated the situation in these crashes. It seems like they have figured out part of the issue but not the entire thing.
It also reminds me of the weird things that happened to navigating instruments of both aircraft and ships in the Bermuda Triangle when natural gas was released in their paths and they had no idea what was going on. I don't know if it affected the ships and planes themselves or just the navigation systems. When those systems are relied upon and the captains adjust their controls accordingly you can see how they could be the cause of disasters.
I work for a disaster investigation firm. One man’s disaster is another man’s living. Don’t judge!
You did not just say that !!! SOME PAY F'ING CHECK IS MORE VALUABLE THEN PEOPLES LIFE'S ??? DO YOU HAVE A MOTHER FATHER BROTHER DAUGHTER SONS. Well let me say I don't care if they die. Don't judge, I have to get my Outback steak with my whole family. We will give a toast to . "THANK GOD THEY ALL DIE ON A REGULAR BASIS. OR WE WOULDN'T HAVE A MONEY !! CHEERS. 🥂🍻🍾 P.S HURRY UP AND GET THAT STEAK MY BABY IS HUNGRY! P.S.S AND I NEED TO KEEP MY BABY HAPPY AND ALIVE!! W.T.F ??? 😮😮😮
@@daniellescott6701You eat at Outback? Yuck
@@daniellescott6701 Likely that poster was being a smart *ss. Just sayin'.
38:22 that’s some awesome flying skills
The way the narrator says debris as “ day-bree” gets me every time!
I have a feeling that UAL585 will soon be beaten by MAS370 as the longest crash investigation in aviation history.
First it’s MH370, second the investigation into MH370 is over.
MAS is the ICAO code for Malaysian Airlines.
Is anyone able to tell me if this show is now on prime or something?
Thanks ❤ mayday ❤❤❤
I LOVE these Air Disasters shows.😍 I watch them all day, and night. I am addicted, to these Air Disasters shows. I am behind, on chores, late to my Doctor's appts., sleep deprived, etc., because I am so enamored with these Air Disasters shows.😎
Also, a huge shout-out, to the NTSB Investigators, for solving all Airplane crashes.👍 Flying, is much safer, than it has ever been. There has [not] been a Commercial Jetliner, to crash in the [United States], since February, 2009.🙏 This is a major feat, in itself!
Not sure why producers feel that extreme close ups of peoples faces is good story telling....my entire 65 inch screen is often filled with one eyeball or mouth or nose...delightful.....
my thought that it might be upload in different resolution to fit youtube, so might be cropped version
not to mention this is an older ep so the screen were smaller back then @@jiahazahar6607
Porn must be.. nuts
People who died from a Plane Crash, is very scary, unfortunate and fated to died like this. 😐🛩
That moment when you reupload the same dpcumentary as a different video
Not shown if any extreme vibrational testing of the PCU was included with the temperature shock tests. Turbulence
was evidenced just before both accidents.
I’ve been in it for a few years now. I forget it was on tv too
It makes me not to want to fly again I get scared every time I am on a plane like taking off and landing but sometimes I feel like when we are way up in the sky there’s nothing anyone can do just have pray 🙏
I get nervous about flying but literally your drive to the airport is much more dangerous, got a bunch of distracted idiots on the roads
Note to self take Amtrak they might Derail sometimes but at least it’s not at 30,000 feet in the air
What is not included here is that even after definitively discovering the cause of these crashes, 737s were allowed to fly with old style PCUs until they could be replaced. Being familiar with Parker/Hannifan hydraulic rudder control valves as installed on large marine vessel applications, I believe they are excellent and continue to be the industry standard.
There are some people in the aviation industry and NTSB invistigators who think that we never got it right but after talking to engineer's, pilots and many other people i know that we got it right!!!!!
I to is stuck on air crash Investigation but I also is stuck on the airplane landing & the takeoff. Love to watch
Well now we have the Max and we're back even before the square one.
Did 737 have wind shear warnings back in the day of the accident?
I have a few questions as a layman so excuse my ignorance.
1. With propeller engines the blades can be feathered. As an emergency procedure, what if the pilots could force the rudder to feather? Wouldn't this enable them the right the plane?
2. If the plane wants to roll either left or right, instead of fighting it and trying to force it the other way, how about rolling the plane completely over and try to keep it right once it's completed the roll?
3. At the end of the video it showed two planes and it looked like there a parachute attached to the tail. Anyone know why?
I noticed the rudder snapped to the right causing the plane to roll over
I thought the rudder just caused the tail to slide left or right.
Roll is done with the wings..
I don’t know why but I keep watching this one over and over again 🤷
Funny same here. Something about this one really gets my interest