Can The First Gen i5 Still Game in 2018? - Intel i5 760 Review
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Check out TechFurb's latest video where I review the Intel i5 760 at both its base clock of 2.8GHz and when overclocked to 4GHz.
Systems Used;
PC1
Intel Core i5 760 @2.8GHz
Galax Nvidia Geforce GTX 1080 OC
Asus P7P55D-E Evo
16GB DDR3 RAM
120GB Samsung Evo 840
1TB Hard Drive
PC2
Intel Core i5 760 @4GHz
Galax Nvidia Geforce GTX 1080 OC
Asus P7P55D-E Evo
16GB DDR3 RAM
120GB Samsung Evo 840
1TB Hard Drive
PC3
Intel Core i5 2500
Galax Nvidia Geforce GTX 1080 OC
Asus P8Z77-V
16GB DDR3 RAM
120GB Samsung Evo 840
1TB Hard Drive
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I still have my i5 760 on that exact same p55 motherboard I just pulled it out of my garage to make a pc for my kid. Glad to know with a little over clocking and my old 970 she’ll be able to play things for a while. Until I upgrade my cpu and she can have my i7 4770k once I grab a second hand 7th gen i7
They have certainly held up well to the test of time
My son is on an i5 760@4.0 Ghz with a 970. It has been handling games pretty good as well.
I still run this CPU with 450GTS and 4GB RAM lol. Daily. Studying IT. Pretty harsh but loading all money into other toys.
@@messyfart2364 how did you OC to 4ghz?
@@rafaelavila2913 I had it at 4.1-4.2 for a while actually. I dialed it back a bit to 4.0. I had to slowly raise the voltage for it to handle the overclock. Please don't do this without looking at tutorials though and raise in really small increments and test. Also, increasing voltage can decrease the lifespan of the CPU. Make sure you use software to monitor temps. If I remember correctly, you want to be less than 70C (ideally).
I still use this CPU, overclocked to 4ghz since the beginning, runs like a tank with P7P55D!
i have i5 760 2.95ghz + GTX1060 3GB. How did you OC to 4ghz?
@@rafaelavila2913 i have no idea, it just worked right off the bat. didnt even do the step overclock. just asus autotune then adjusted 4ghz + 1600ram speed in bios
My pc has a 760 with 8gb ram and a gtx 750ti and I love it.
I think my next upgrade will probably be 3rd or 4th gen Intel.
Fantastic channel Kev.
Nice, and thanks mate. Glad you're enjoying the content :-)
i got the same cpu but 16 ram and gtx 770
still rocking mine since 2010..All I did was change my gpu and buy 2 ssds!
Would it be a neck bottle if I buy 1060 6GB?
@@adhyantorokusumo7451 yess ,i did it, and it was shit ....just got a ryzen 5 2600X ....awsome for the price
i have a maximus gene iii and the i5 760 paired with a MSI Gtx 1050ti and a ssd.
@@adhyantorokusumo7451 i have i5 760@4.0 + gtx 1060 and its the best card you can buy for that setup , 1070 its too powerful for that CPU . If you buy 1060 you need to OC CPU . The best think is i have that i5 for almost 10 years ant its handle every game very well in 2020
What kind of ram should I buy for this system ? It has two xms Corsair 2x2. And wanting to upgrade
It is always nice to see people who put effort into their videos, thanks man
A year late to the party, but I'm still running (now a decade old) i5 760 at stock clock and 8GB of RAM. Only made 2 upgrades (that made a huge difference). Bought a SATA3 SSD (though the motherboard only supports SATA2 so tough life) and a Sapphire RX470 with 4GB of VRAM. The 1st gen i-series is pretty banging awesome. 10 Years and still kicking :)
I'm pretty much identical to you. 8Gb of Ram, 240GB SSD and a Rx480 4GB card. Runs great
✌😏 thanks for the review, history, insites, ramble, benchmarks, you dont hear too many people talking about i5 first gen, shes a good baby 😘🐢
Thanks very much for the review!
Still using it on this board P7P55D Deluxe since 2010 and I did not change this combinasion simply cause it run perfecly at a daily 3.0GHz and 3.6 GHz on gaming!
I did precisely choose those two elements because of their good quality and specs.
Well, like @Timothy Foley, my daughter will be happy to have my box soon!
How did you OC to 3.6ghz?
Finally a reviewer who actually reviewed the 760 at stock clock speeds. I've an old Intel DH55TC and don't really want to push that 10 year old thing with cheap electrolytic capacitors by boosting its FSB.
Truly appreciate it!
Thinking about dropping a cheap X3450 (10 bucks on AliExpress) which is basically an i5-750, albeit with *hyperthreading* enabled.
Thanx for an excellent vid mate! I've had to resort to an i5 760 and wanted to know about it's overclocking capacity. This vid has made me feel a lot more confident about both overclocking the 760 and it's abilities to run modern games. Don't listen to people who say your vids are too long, it's the info contained that counts and I reckon your info here was all good and you seemed to almost rush through it. Also, it's a vid eh? they can skip bits if they're so short on time or attention span.
I use my i5 760 with a GTX 460 (1GB). Since I upgraded to 16GB of 1866 RAM, the automatic power-up thingy is now working at 3.54 GB on my Asus board. Standard (but NOT crap-stock fan). Runs cool (and quiet!) as a cucumber and works brill for all the games I play. Not the most modern, which I have no need to try until I play through my collection.
I built a PC in 2011 (as in a friend with experience building gaming PC's built it while I watched) with an Intel I5-760. The PC has only been used for light gaming by my wife for WoW. Otherwise, it's just been used for web browsing. The PC still runs great! I never overclocked it or anything like that. I was hoping to upgrade the CPU on my MSI H55-GD65 Motherboard. After some preliminary research (and the help of this video), I can see I'll be needing a rig to play any games at near 2021 minimum requirements.
I was considering upgrading just the GPU also from a GTX570 to something more modern. I can see that my options for that are limited as the CPU is going to be a bottleneck.
Thanks mate for the helpful review. My i5 760 (with a P55 mobo) is still perfectly good for gaming in mid-2020! I'm not running games with all the graphics maxed out (it helps that many games tell you which features use CPU vs GPU processing power), but it does run all of them and reasonably well too.
Rocking my i5 750 since 2009. Had never overclocked and thinking about changing it. Now whacked it straight up to 4.0ghz and seems rock solid! Maybe I can wait another generation before changing it!
you know you will need to also change your motherboard and ram if u get new cpu? Anyway that's a impressive oc, my first cpu was i5 760 and i was at 3.9ghz back then, it served me well.
@@davolthe1261 same as mine, cant OC it to 4.0ghz
Hey, i'm running my i5 760 with 8gigs ram and gtx 750ti. What gpu upgrade would u recommend that's not to much of overkill? Btw, nice video.
have the same setup. just got a palit 1060 6Gb it is perfect. Add 8 more gigs of ram and adequate cooling and you will rock.
And i have 1650 4GB on same setup.
Depends. For 1080P a 1050 would be more than enough... If money isnt your issue, 1060-1070. Dont go higher than that.
The i5 760 already bottlenecks my 1060.
@@Nicko410006 would it be a bottle neck?
@@CODA96 what 1060? 3GB or 6Gb?
Bought my i5-760 new in 2010 and it's still clicking along strong even today. Has been overclocked between 3.6Ghz up to 4.8(!)Ghz. Running with a Corsair H80i it sits very stable at 4.2Ghz. It's definitely starting to show it's age in new games from the last 12-18 months, but 10 solid years of use is very admirable.
Im pretty sure you got the wrong numbers. I got 3.5GHz and that was the absolute edge without it crashing. I would assume even if you got the best 760 chip out there, max you could do is probably 3.8Ghz. There is no way in hell your 760 runs anywhere near 4Ghz.
@@CODA96 either you got a crap 760 or I hit the lottery jackpot. screenshot of my current settings in CPUID right now: photos.app.goo.gl/naXuTvbm6pZS8N448. Dropped down to 3.8Ghz just to minimize temps in my room, 4.2+ gets toasty
I still have this sucker paired with an Asus P7P55 LX sitting in a corner, problem is I only have a GTX 660 and a GT1030, should buy a second hand 970 or 1060 and give it some renewed life. Beast of a CPU for a 1st gen!
amazing video. i have both cpus and even though i never overclocked the 760 it serviced me well, i only upgraded to the 2500 becuase i gave my 760 to my girlfriend after a year of use. she has used the 2500 for a good 3 or 4 years now though since i upgraded to ryzen 5 1600 and its still going strong for her games.
My pc still uses an i5 760 oc at 3.6 ghz, with an amd rx 580 . Frankly its one of the best processors in existence. I have almost no issues running games at 60 fps with dx11 on. I do get some minor hiccups here and there with games that run on dx12. But its something u can ignore considering how old it is.. its powerful enough to run the new shadow of the.tomb raider at 60 fps on high settings. Thats how good it is.
Thats awesome dude, I must say I was impressed by how well it held up in its overclocked form
@@Kian987DM not much to say about the oc config. This cpu is powerful enough. U can push it all the way to 4 ghz with some tinkering in the bios only advisable if u have a op cooling system for the cpu. But since i use a stock cooler 3.66 ghz just by turning on x.m.p profile in the bios with the intel turbo boost option enabled.
Cool stuff bro! I got same board, and would like to ask you which RAM config works best on this. DDR3-1600 4x4GB or 2x8GB? I know that 4 Dimms can increase Memory Bandwith, but then you could maybe run 2x8 at higher Frequency and tighter timings... I'm eying for either 4x4 Patriot Viper 3 -or- 2x8 Corsair Vengeance LP, both are CL9-9-9-24. If you got any good answers, I can tell you a lil secret how to make this machine even faster...
I own a i5 760 paired with two 8gb corsair vengeance pro 1866mhz. It was freezing for the longest with two sticks, so I went down to 1 stick. I then later tried 16gb again and found they both work at only 800mhz with the stock clock. I would try the 4x4gb first as its alot cheaper and it was what the Lynnfields wanted.
I use a 760 at 4ghz with a 1050ti and SSD. The only think I worry about is it wearing out. Would a 2001 CPU have cut it 9 years later I wonder.
You should get another year or so out of it. And no way a 2001 machine would have lasted more than 5 years, PC's were doubling in performance every 2 years back then, everything plateued once the second gen i3 i5 and i7 dropped.
Was given a PC with this CPU. Gonna try running dedicated game servers with it.
Nice :D
yeah..the i5 760 can still play games :) i play Bf V , bf 1 with it.
What type of settings do you set it on? Since I am wanting to upgrade my I3 to i5 but I am a cheapskate and I don't want to have to set it to low to be able to play games.
@@usethistologinintotheps3ra228 , here is the full spec : i5 - 760 , 2.8 Ghz 4 cores , 4 threads, (didn't overclocked it as i don't feel the need to do that) , 8GB ram ddr3 at 1600 Mhz , Nvidia GTX 1050 gaming X 2 GDDR5 . And as for the settings , i can play at medium with the graphics i have , but i preffer them at low. However , the recommend video card for BF V is an GTX 1060 6 GB ..or higher. You will experience some freeze , depending on the map , and the amount of players if you have only 8 GB of ram as i do. Recommended is 12 GB for BF V ..and for BF 1 aswell.
@@sorinbratila6385 You should OC it, that CPU screams Overclock, With cheap Hyper 212 EVO cooler you could overclock it good.
@@davolthe1261 , i moved to a 2nd gen Ryzen ! And it beats the crap out of an intel 8400 !
Should have used a much weaker graphics card. No one will use one of these CPUs with a 1080 I shouldn't imagine. More like a 1050 or a 960 maybe would have been interesting. Good video anyway. I really enjoy your content. Thanks
Hi Barry, to be honest I completely agree, I have traditionally used a RX 480 8GB when I have reviewed a CPU in the Can it game series, unfortunately I get a lot of flack for using it instead of a proper high end GPU so I thought I would mix it up with a 1080 for a change. I think I will do a revisit with my GTX 1050 in another video. Glad your enjoying the content, thanks for the feedback :)
I am that one guy still running an i5 760 w/8GB ram and a Radeon HD 6850 on Windows 10 64bit. I need to upgrade everything but I'm starting with a 1080 and a Monitor. I'll run it until I can afford to upgrade to the Ryzen 5 2600x
Thanks for validating that the card will run well on my old hardware. Also, I don't think my system would have lasted this long had I been running it at 4ghz.
While I definitely agree that anything from a GTX 750 ti to a 1060 6gb (or AMD equivalent like a RX 460 to 580) would be better for showing more practical applications of the CPU, I also understand using a 1080 to completely eliminate any GPU bottlenecking and purely show off the CPU performance. It would've been nice to see a comparison to a third, more modern CPU, but that would also require more work and testing. Regardless, great video! Just stopped by since I picked one of these up.
EDIT: Haha, I just saw you did this with the Q6600 vs I5 2400 vs R7 1700. Excellent vids.
I actually use GTX 970 4GB with this processor :/ And it's ok!
I'm also running an i5 760, but with a 780ti. Don't have the funds to buy a new motherboard and cpu at the moment (just bought a Dell XPS 15 for work) and I'm surpised that with great cooling, this cpu is still running fantastic. So far it has been handling modern games very well. Maybe not on Ultra (depending on the game) but good enough for me.
Quite interesting results :)
Thanks dude
An Australian here, still using an i5 760 (constant 3.86Ghz OC because you don't get much more out of it as temperatures rise) with an Asus P7P55D-E-EVO motherboard and nVidia 460 GTX 768mb version. :)
I'm hoping to hold off upgrading until Zen 2s and Cascade Lakes are out to see what the best value for money 8c/16t cpu will be (and hopefully DDR4 RAM will be cheaper then also).
If I wanted to sell the CPU, Motherboard and GPU, what do you think I could get for any of them?
Hey dude, nice, your really hanging on with that rig. in terms of price, the CPU is worth about $20 AUD, your mainboard is worth gold as they are rare. you should get at least $50 for it and GPU isn't worth much these days, maybe $20 - $30 but you will probably stuggle to flip it on Gumtree. If you sell your CPU, mainboard and RAM as a combo you should get $100+ pretty easy. :) As for upgrading the current crop of AMD / Intel CPU's will blow your mind. having said that the next Gen AMD chips will be a slight bump, but Intel might have issues given they are still stuck on 14nm
How did you OC to 3.86ghz?
@@rafaelavila2913 @Rafael Ávila I actually ended up stabilising above that at 4.1 Ghz with the clock multiplier at ×22 and the memory multiplier at ×8. ^.^
VCore = 1.3v, IMC/ QPI/VTT = 1.2v, 1.5v on memory for 4.1 Ghz.
VCore = try 1.2 to 1.25 v, IMC/ QPI/VTT = 1.11875v or more for 3.86 Ghz. That is with 175×22=3850 (except the clock speeds are always fractions above, so this is more like 175.5×22=3861.
I was told once on a forum that the Lynnfield chips are specified to operate up IMC (QPI/vTT) = 1.155v; The absolute max is vcore = 1.400v and IMC = 1.21v. Thats for safe and continuous operating
I decided 1600Mhz RAM wasn't worth lowering the CPU speed for, as I was finding it easier to hit 175+Mhz base clock without using a ×10 multiplier for the memory.
Hyper 212+ CPU heatsink/fan
The Asus D-E-EVO board as mentioned, one of the upper end ones (EVO vs PRO just meant an extra ethernet port...I didn't end up needing that. :(
I thought friends and I might LAN with crossover cables instead of using a switch or playing over internet, but sadly LANs became less common from then on.)
Keep memory voltage at 1.5V maximum if possible. I had ECO RAM, which used lower votage than typical for the time. Original I had 2×2GB of 1.35v G.Skill ECO I think it was, and then got 2×4GB G.Skill Sniper 1.2v RAM. It was possible to run it all at 1.2 I think if I went for RAM speeds closer to 1333Mhz than 1600Mhz and didn't get too aggressive with the timings but it mostly seemed more stable and just wiser to keep it at at least the 1.35v of the lower kit.
Lower voltages on ram save basically nothing on the power bill, but in theory help to overclock the *CPU*, as opposed to worrying about overclocking the RAM a lot, because the CPU is then constantly interacting with RAM at lower RAM voltages, easing the load on the CPU.
I messed about with a lot of RAM timings and sometimes had it stable for ages on 8-8-8-24-110-1T timings (also got away with 8-8-8-14-90-2T :P) but eventually had issues and went to a safer 9-9-9-24-114-2T. Not sure how of this you would want to know but these were some of the more impressive things I noted down. Sometimes you can reduce RAM latency by tightening timings when you can't surpass a certain frequency on RAM.
@@Endelite thank you so much!
Just recently decide to do a new build and was surprised by how viable the i5 760 still was in 2018! Still needed to upgrade for newer hardware compatibility. Built it in 2010-2011 and was running most games at 40-60 fps with a budge gtx-950
Nice, do you know what platform your are going to upgrade to?
@@TechFurb I went with a i5 8600k Asrock 370M
Asus gtx 1060 6gb
32gb ram
500gb ssd
1 tb hdd
Liquid cooler
running windows 10 to use all that ram
Nice, that will be a sweet system 😁
Im still using this CPU. Upgrading to newest CPU is luxurious. Do you think if I upgrade to I7 870 is the best option, in case im still using the same mobo?
Its still like 20-30% better than a PS4 for example.
CS:GO runs at 160FPS, Witcher 3 max Settings between 50-80 FPS (!!!) (with a GTX 1060). I used the 760 for 9 years (!!!)
Im gonna upgrade to a R5 3600X this month, but this is still a very capable CPU. It breaks its legs in Open World Games though. But for 20€ on ebay, this thing is a blast. Buy it if you dont have money for a decent CPU. This thing is a budget winner.
Hey mate, I have same CPU and the P55 mobo, bur I can't go past 3,6 GHz. Vcore up to 1,35V, RAM on speeds below spec with XMP turbo profile. Tried OC with the multiplier and then the bus but still running into blue-screens. Setup running with quality PSU and good aftermarket cooling. Would you have any advice?
2500k i5 is an overclockable sandy bridge
Yep it certainly is, but you have to pay a price premium for it, even on the used market today. I miss the good old days (which thanks to AMD are now back) where you could simply buy the bottom of the range that had the core count you needed and simply overclock the absoloute snot out of it, Intel has done a great job of convincing people that its ok to sell locked CPU's and charge a premium for one thats overclockable -_-
good day sir just wanted to ask if the i5 760 will work with any 1156 board or is there a specific compatibility with the chipset of the board... mine has h55 and i am currently using i5 560 mother board is intel dh55pj by the way
The i5 760 will work in any socket 1156 board :)
@@TechFurb ok sir thank you... that means the shop that sold me the i5 760 were all faulty and just said it won't work on my 1156 just after seeing it and did not even tried to place another i5 760 to test it... thank you again sir
I can assure you it will work, as that's what I've got.
Looking at a used PC with a I5 760 a R9 290 4gb and 8gb of ddr3 ram will it be good? from what ive seen on youtube it seems great for 1080p gaming p.s the R9 290 is about equilavent to a 3gb 1060
the GPU is a strong option. if you overclock the i5 similar to how i did in this video then you will have a killer system :D
I also have this cpu... Can I over clock it to the max and pair it with 1660 super? Will the cpu bottleneck heavily? How much fps will be lost?
what you type cooler you need to use for OC i5 760 ? any tuning you need to do ? i no idea on this
my pc is intel i5 760, 4gb ram and amd radeon hd 5700 series gpu. do you think it can play games?
I just got a PC with that CPU and from the looks of it It has the same motherboard as in this video so ill buy a new CPU Cooler because rn it sounds like a plane and then I will overclock to somewhat 4 ghz and after that buy a Gtx 1050 ti. I guess that will work right?
lol that improvised test bench
I have core i5 760, Im planning to buy gtx 1050 ti, I'll just play valorant, csgo, minecraft, is it ok?
if u pair it with rx 580 what will happen?bottleneck?
thanks a lot, i understand a lot now . i will invest in i3 9100f pair with RX580 or GTX1070
What do you think if i got this intel with Galax GTX1050Ti 4GB? Will it lags?
2019 and thinking about upgrading to i7 860 or xeon x3470 😅
Lol they will go all right for another year or so
This i5 760 will do it for mee too 😅 3.72 ghz now and could do more of had better cooler. 1.15V atm
Nice dude 😄
✌😏 Keep It Old School 😎💻
wwhats the BLCK you had set?
From memory it was 190 BCLK
are you Maxmoefoe's dad?
i use i5 760 2.8 Ghz with 4 slot ram, but i only use 2 slot ram with 4GB Dual channel Kingston. can i use all 4 slot to running i5 760 2.8 Ghz???
Yeah that's not an issue, just try to get similar RAM
@@TechFurb It's the same for me. I have 2x2GB Corsair 1600 Mhz 8-8-8-24 Ram. I want to add more dimms but I cant find the same ram model. Can I use 2x2GB Corsair 1600 Mhz 9-9-9-24 Ram at the same time? If that works, I'll update my video card (hd 6950 2 gb) to RX 570.
@@TechFurb It's the same for me. I have 2x2GB Corsair 1600 Mhz 8-8-8-24 Ram. I want to add more dimms but I cant find the same ram model. Can I use 2x2GB Corsair 1600 Mhz 9-9-9-24 Ram at the same time? If that works, I'll update my video card (hd 6950 2 gb) to RX 570.
I recently acquired a i5 760 paired to a p7h55 m pro Motherboard has 770 wind force gtx 12gb ram on windows 10 how can I over clock it to 3.2-3.5 or can you point me in the right direction I have a 8-10 inch fan on the side and a nice fan on the inside
He mate, so only thing you will need to replace the stock Intel heatsink with an aftermarket one, a coolermaster tx3 could be a good option, they are pretty cheap. Once you have done that you should have a read through this article for a rough guid for the settings you need for the overclock. www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/256144-29-1156-core-overclocking-guide
My i5 750 manages 4.17ghz, unstable at anything above that, all that at under 1.4v
It is definitely a bit of silicon lottery for anything over 3.8
How did you manage that? My 760 can push out 3.5Ghz at MAX. If i go only 100Mhz higher, it becomes unstable, INSTANTLY.
@@CODA96 how did you push to 3.5ghz?
@@rafaelavila2913 Dunno maybe i had a good chip. Switched to the R5 3600X half a year ago. Best decision ever.
I have currently i5 760 wtih 2.8 GHz base clock. The board i am using is DP55WB hooked with 1050Ti. Every thing works great but the temperature usually rises to 95 degrees constantly (without even overclocking). I am using stock cpu fan. How can i resolve this issue with the temperature .. Any suggestions ?
www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/13028538
The Intel Stock cooler is garbarge, even with good thermal paste you will hit 80 - 90 Degrees. You 2 choices, you can get some new paste for it or get something like a Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO CPU Cooler, its about $30 AUD . I would go with the new cooler as it would also allow you to get a mild overclock if you wanted down the line. the cooler will also fit in most cases as it is more of a compact option designed for budget builds.
@@TechFurb Thanks ! Would definitely go with the new cooler as you have suggested. Keep up the good work... :)
No problems, thanks dude :-)
For a few years I ran mine with the stock fan. It was noisy as fuck, and even on the day I installed it I had to cut down on performance due to heat. A few years back, I bought a fan for about 6€ (Alpine 11 GT rev2). This is totally quiet and does a great job of cooling, so FUCK Intel's fan (I was daft enough to believe that Intel would supply at least a semi-decent fan if it wanted people to like its CPU!!!) The "new" fan is still quiet (I blew it out at Christmas, ahem)-
I still have the first gen with Rx 560
Nice
Funny, that’s the exact setup I just did to give a hand me down PC to some kids.
today i learn cpu > gpu
tbh i just bought this spec of pc that seller sold it to me bcoz its freaking cheap, thrn i tried witcher 3, it has a lot of stutter even with gtx950
Can we play pubg game in i5 1st generation
I would need to go back and test but I wouldn't guarantee it. I have found pubg to be a low end CPU killer
Possible to play or not
i find this video on yutube :
PUBG on i5 760 at 4.3 ghz & Gtx780 Testing, Benchmark & Gaming
ruclips.net/video/09Hsz-i3Cmw/видео.html
I never play csgo max settings
fair enough, I do usually prefer quality over frame rate, having said that I don't own a monitor that can output higher than 60 FPS. I also prefer it for bench marking even with CPU bench marking as I dont see the point in running at a lower frame rate for the sake of finding a slight bottleneck
You don't know what you are talking about, you can't overclock a sandybridge. My 2500k runs at 4.9GHz on 1.375v and air cooling.
I Know exactly what I am talking about, the sandybridge series disabled base clock overclocking which up until that point was how EVERY CPU in the Intel range was able to be overclocked, the exceptions to this rule for sandybridge were as you mentioned the i5 2500K and the i7 2600K and 2700K and they acheive this through multiplier overclocking. sadly as the K skew CPU's are the only ones that support overclocking, they command a stupidly high price on the used market :(