Thank you Joe for your very good and informative videos ...... I’m in Thailand at present and I have been on two dive boats that were converted from fishing boats ... both have 6 cylinder Gardner engines , in Apple ng state of neglect . I have been asked by a friend of mine to help him bring one of these boats to another island which involves a three day passage . As a young guy I was on a few yacht with Gardners and im watching all your videos to get as much information as possible . I humbly request a video on bleeding the diesel circuit . If we do this passage I’m going to make sure the fuel tank is cleaned as the boat only has one engine and judging by what I’ve seen so far I’m betting there are no spare fuel filters and of course that is a worry . On the first boat I was on there was oil in the header tank and I found that the oil heat exchanger end caps were full of rust .....and that in the past someone had repaired the tubes by filling some of them with lead solder at each end ...... reading up on it I found that hundreds of Gardners were sold in Asia to be retrofitted to fishing boats .... it’s a testament to the extreme toughness of these extraordinary engines that they keep working under what can only be considered brutal conditions O
Another great short subject video. I like those simple straightforward solutions. Now I'll have to study the system on my boat. The manual says don't hold the stop button down too long or you will burn out the solenoid. It must not have that resistor circuit. The action on the lever is real light. I think they solved the issue by mounting the solenoid to pivot so the plunger follows the arc. If I add a bracket for the old kill cable I could have a redundant way to shut the engine down without leaving the wheel and hand tripping the lever.
I have a kill cable on mine it didn't come with an electric kill switch, honestly don't see any point in adding a solenoid to my particular set up as the cable works perfectly and it's one less thing to go wrong, my backup system is to walk down the steps and kill manually. :D
@@popuptoaster Well, mine came with the kill switch. I agree and tend to like simplicity. The cable run is only 9-10 feet and only because to keep sharp turns to a minimum it has to take a long sweep to change direction. My back up is the same, down the companion way, open the engine bay and push the lever. I'd just like the redundancy of the cable since I left it routed from the old engine and will eventually drill and attach a bracket to hold the cable. Just a low priority issue. I did the repower myself and only had so much expensive time in the yard where they charge as much as parking a car downtown for every day but at least they let me do my own work as long as they do some. Very few yards in my area allow anyone to do any work.
@@alwaysbearded1 I'm in a boat yard in the UK rather than a marina, I would say at least a third of the boats here are having refits or major work done by the owners so there is plenty of advice around which has been good for me as I am a total novice, the yard specialises in things like Thames barges which is interesting, I think my Gardner won them over for me when they found out what was powering my boat and thanks to Joe I can sound a little knowledgeable about it too. ;)
@@popuptoaster One of my favorite things about my hobby/obsession is that boat people tend to be very nice people except the certified %^%^%* people of which there are few. Also knowledgeable and helpful. I once was trying to tighten a nut from inside a locker with no way to hold the bolt from the outside but I hung a wrench on it. Some random fellow boater in the yard grabbed it for a few seconds which allowed me to tighten it. So observant so perfectly timed. It's the little things you remember. Glad to hear there are still yards where you are that allow people to do the work themselves. The learning curve of boats is steep but you can do it. What kind of boat do you have that is big enough for a Gardner engine?
@@alwaysbearded1 It's a 40ft steel cruiser, I think it was home built, can't find any makers marks or photos of anything the same anywhere and nobody seems to recognise it. I just put a few of the photos from when I found her up as a short slide show on my channel on here if you want a look, she probably isn't really big enough to need a 6 cylinder Gardner but that's what she came with. :)
Great info. However, I reversed the use of the solenoid, current used to pull the lever to the run position and a spring to pull the strangle lever to the stop position. This way to kill the engine I remove current ( via a switch at the helm ). More “fail safe” I believe.
Would it not be better to mount the solenoid in such a way that when energised and drawing power from the electrical system it moved the strangling lever to the 'on' position and when there was no current the spring pulled the lever to the 'strangled' position?
Hi Joe, another great video. Any chance of quick video on why Gardners are able to run backwards. We had an issue with ERF trucks fitted with a David Brown gearbox, the driver would stall the engine, incorrectly select reverse and manage to roll and restart the engine backwards.
Yes, I have heard this many times. Not sure how I could shoot a video of it though. What can also happen, under certain circumstances is they can actually run on their own lubrication oil! Sounds incredible, but it is true. When they do that, they are very difficult to stop. Quite dangerous really!
I must say the engine must be running very hot to do that , as Joe said it could run on the lubrication oil in conjunction with the injectors which are still running, I guess:-)
I had a perkins p3 do this in a dexta once. I reversed quickly up a hill with a large trailer and stalled part way up. I was hoping the engine would hold it, but it didn't and instead turned backwards. I then noticed smoke coming out of the air filter and so grabbed the clutch and the engine carried on running and gradually picking up in speed. I stopped by pulling the engine stop so it definitely wasn't running on the lubrication oil.
@@tangentgardner I have seen a runaway diesel using it's own oil as fuel, it wasn't a Gardner but it ended in a bad way for the engine, when I started my boat engine for the first time in over a year and wasn't sure of it's condition I took the air intake apart so that I had a flat area I could block with a metal plate I had on standby. :S
Detroit's can do this to. But as there 2 strokes kinda easier to happen. I wasn't aware it could happen to a gardener. Had a funny call once in a camp from a excited driver about white smoke coming out under the hood. Made up a story about bad gear box and had him reverse all the way to the shop. I know childish but funny as hell.
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Thank you Joe for your very good and informative videos ...... I’m in Thailand at present and I have been on two dive boats that were converted from fishing boats ... both have 6 cylinder Gardner engines , in Apple ng state of neglect . I have been asked by a friend of mine to help him bring one of these boats to another island which involves a three day passage . As a young guy I was on a few yacht with Gardners and im watching all your videos to get as much information as possible . I humbly request a video on bleeding the diesel circuit . If we do this passage I’m going to make sure the fuel tank is cleaned as the boat only has one engine and judging by what I’ve seen so far I’m betting there are no spare fuel filters and of course that is a worry . On the first boat I was on there was oil in the header tank and I found that the oil heat exchanger end caps were full of rust .....and that in the past someone had repaired the tubes by filling some of them with lead solder at each end ...... reading up on it I found that hundreds of Gardners were sold in Asia to be retrofitted to fishing boats .... it’s a testament to the extreme toughness of these extraordinary engines that they keep working under what can only be considered brutal conditions
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Hi joe fantastic video and channel could you do a video on how you can adjust fueling on a Gardner pump
There was a proper Hannibal Lecter moment there...;-)
thanks joe but im going to keep it simple and i like mechanical rather than electrical i find it simpler to fix
Another great short subject video. I like those simple straightforward solutions. Now I'll have to study the system on my boat. The manual says don't hold the stop button down too long or you will burn out the solenoid. It must not have that resistor circuit. The action on the lever is real light. I think they solved the issue by mounting the solenoid to pivot so the plunger follows the arc. If I add a bracket for the old kill cable I could have a redundant way to shut the engine down without leaving the wheel and hand tripping the lever.
I have a kill cable on mine it didn't come with an electric kill switch, honestly don't see any point in adding a solenoid to my particular set up as the cable works perfectly and it's one less thing to go wrong, my backup system is to walk down the steps and kill manually. :D
@@popuptoaster Well, mine came with the kill switch. I agree and tend to like simplicity. The cable run is only 9-10 feet and only because to keep sharp turns to a minimum it has to take a long sweep to change direction. My back up is the same, down the companion way, open the engine bay and push the lever. I'd just like the redundancy of the cable since I left it routed from the old engine and will eventually drill and attach a bracket to hold the cable. Just a low priority issue. I did the repower myself and only had so much expensive time in the yard where they charge as much as parking a car downtown for every day but at least they let me do my own work as long as they do some. Very few yards in my area allow anyone to do any work.
@@alwaysbearded1 I'm in a boat yard in the UK rather than a marina, I would say at least a third of the boats here are having refits or major work done by the owners so there is plenty of advice around which has been good for me as I am a total novice, the yard specialises in things like Thames barges which is interesting, I think my Gardner won them over for me when they found out what was powering my boat and thanks to Joe I can sound a little knowledgeable about it too. ;)
@@popuptoaster One of my favorite things about my hobby/obsession is that boat people tend to be very nice people except the certified %^%^%* people of which there are few. Also knowledgeable and helpful. I once was trying to tighten a nut from inside a locker with no way to hold the bolt from the outside but I hung a wrench on it. Some random fellow boater in the yard grabbed it for a few seconds which allowed me to tighten it. So observant so perfectly timed. It's the little things you remember. Glad to hear there are still yards where you are that allow people to do the work themselves. The learning curve of boats is steep but you can do it. What kind of boat do you have that is big enough for a Gardner engine?
@@alwaysbearded1 It's a 40ft steel cruiser, I think it was home built, can't find any makers marks or photos of anything the same anywhere and nobody seems to recognise it. I just put a few of the photos from when I found her up as a short slide show on my channel on here if you want a look, she probably isn't really big enough to need a 6 cylinder Gardner but that's what she came with. :)
Great info. However, I reversed the use of the solenoid, current used to pull the lever to the run position and a spring to pull the strangle lever to the stop position. This way to kill the engine I remove current ( via a switch at the helm ). More “fail safe” I believe.
Would it not be better to mount the solenoid in such a way that when energised and drawing power from the electrical system it moved the strangling lever to the 'on' position and when there was no current the spring pulled the lever to the 'strangled' position?
Yes, this is normally the way we do it.
Does no one make a solenoid with a mechanical latch?
Hi Joe, another great video.
Any chance of quick video on why Gardners are able to run backwards.
We had an issue with ERF trucks fitted with a David Brown gearbox, the driver would stall the engine, incorrectly select reverse and manage to roll and restart the engine backwards.
Yes, I have heard this many times. Not sure how I could shoot a video of it though. What can also happen, under certain circumstances is they can actually run on their own lubrication oil! Sounds incredible, but it is true. When they do that, they are very difficult to stop. Quite dangerous really!
I must say the engine must be running very hot to do that , as Joe said it could run on the lubrication oil in conjunction with the injectors which are still running, I guess:-)
I had a perkins p3 do this in a dexta once. I reversed quickly up a hill with a large trailer and stalled part way up. I was hoping the engine would hold it, but it didn't and instead turned backwards. I then noticed smoke coming out of the air filter and so grabbed the clutch and the engine carried on running and gradually picking up in speed. I stopped by pulling the engine stop so it definitely wasn't running on the lubrication oil.
@@tangentgardner I have seen a runaway diesel using it's own oil as fuel, it wasn't a Gardner but it ended in a bad way for the engine, when I started my boat engine for the first time in over a year and wasn't sure of it's condition I took the air intake apart so that I had a flat area I could block with a metal plate I had on standby. :S
Detroit's can do this to. But as there 2 strokes kinda easier to happen. I wasn't aware it could happen to a gardener. Had a funny call once in a camp from a excited driver about white smoke coming out under the hood. Made up a story about bad gear box and had him reverse all the way to the shop. I know childish but funny as hell.
Can you show me how to do this to the wife
I'm not sure, but I think it would be illegal Hugh :-)
Joe you are so politically incorrect! Shrangling small children.
When you strangle a wife, or a child, or a dog. Very poor analogy! I think you should DELETE this video!!!
It's called humour! Try it sometime, you might like it.
@@glynpayne4393 Humorous you are!