Canadian Tries Tim Hortons in Korea 🇨🇦🍩 WHY is it so Expensive? 😳 Korean Menu & Differences
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Tim Hortons has fiiiinally opened in South Korea, so we recently headed over the second branch at Seolleung Station in Seoul to try it out for ourselves. Long story short, there were a lotttt of differences compared to the Tim Hortons experience we're used to in Canada!
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Trying Tim Hortons in Korea as a Canadian 🇨🇦🍩 Why is it so Expensive? 😳 Korean Menu & Differences
What’s your go-to Tim Hortons order? 🍁👀
I've never been to one, and there isn't any Tim Hortons in Taiwan. 😢 I'd definitely give it a try if I get to be at one.
Decaf ice cap with oat milk, if it's unavailable, I have it with coconut milk. BTW, the decaf maple iced latte is available in England.
Once in a blue moon an iced capp is amazing but for a donut, my go-to is the sour cream glazed 🤤
Coffee with regular milk and ½ sugar
Chocolate dip or Sugar twist (its back with their retro donut promo!!!), banana pecan muffin, rocky road dream cookie
Breakfast sando with extra bacon, add tomato
Summer: blackberry yuzu quencher or iced coffee with milk!!!
(RIP: Chocolate snow timbits and the OG chicken sandwich)
Surprisingly, they have the best croissants. Light,crispy just like they should be.
Someone please send Sarah a box of muffins Stat 😅 poor girl mentioned them 2546 times 😅
Wild blueberry, please 😭🫐
Sarah is so cute in this video hahaha
The chocolate chip muffins are my fave.
all American/Canadian fast food is VERY fancy in Asia, so not surprised with this. tbh it's comparable to having korean food in America for $20+ an entree or $15+ for a stew.
That's your illusion..
Koreans also know that they set high prices in Korea. And Canadian fast food is not famous in Korea.
There is no known Canadian fast food brand.......the American brand is famous.
It's normal for the prices to differ: rent [like kyuho said], transportation of some ingredients/products that are specific to Canada, salaries.... and they know there are Canadians in Korea who miss home and this is a way for them to have a taste of home...
I don't usually go to Tim Horton's anymore these days to be honest. I used to go to Tim's a lot earlier in my life but, these days compared to specialty shops that specialize in lets say coffee, food, and baked goods; I'd prefer those shops over Tim's any day. Though I do admit, Tim's generally has good competitive pricing so, as a student it's quite affordable (in Canada). I rather spend a bit more for higher quality food and drinks. I don't go out too often either.
From what I remember, these are my favourite items at Tim's:
Iced Cap
Chili
Peanut Butter Cookies
Bagel BELT
Turkey Bacon Club Sandwich
Assorted Tim Bits
Fruit Explosion Muffin
Apple Fritter
Honey Cruller
Caramel Toffee Latte / Latte
I don't really have a go-to order.
Maybe the reason why that Tim Horton's in Korea is all fancy is because it's the launch/flag ship store?
I wonder if the Justin Bieber collab happens again, it'll be in Korea too or maybe a Kpop group?
명량핫도그가 런던에 오픈한 것과 비슷하겠죠. 셋트메뉴가 런던이 2배 비싸더군요. 매장도 더 화려하고..
Maybe an unpopular opinion but Tims is low quality food, they actually used to make the donuts fresh in store. That's all be hived off and centralized to create efficiencies, totally gone down hill since it was bought out. I have fond memories going to Tims with my dad, getting a hot chocolate and a honey glaze. There are so many better choices in Korea for coffee and treats. Great video and glad you can have a piece of home there tho.
Agree
I can't imagine if Timmies looked like that here! I live in a small town in Ontario and they've updated our local shop but nothing like that!
Timbits are always the go to for me, like on a roadtrip 😊
Happy to see you guys enjoy a little taste of Canada at home!
We’re glad we can now get our ice cap fix whenever 🥹
I thought the title was "Canadian Tire Tim Hortons" and got all excited ㅋㅋㅋ
Omg 😂😂
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Thank-you for your great analytical breakdown of Tim Horton's Seoul. You guys are the best! Every detail is appreciated and discussed. You crack me up. I agree with you on the muffins and the cookies, absolutely. I love a cheap breakfast and they still deliver on pricing, even in the more expensive Canadian cities... who's to say if our Canadian prices will go up as well. I'm happy for you Sarah you were able to get your fix and I wish I could send you muffins galore. Keep up the great work!
It's funny because the way you describe Canadian Tim Hortons is quite different than the way I experience it. I wonder if Nova Scotia Tims arent just way better than their Quebec equivalent 😆 There are Tims every 10 minutes no matter where you go in my area and I stop by several times a week, and half the time its very rushed like they will mess up your order, put the wrong thing in your sandwich or your coffee... lol but I'm used to it. I would certainly not want to pay these prices for the service I get here ahah but my go to order is the everything bagel with cream cheese, a hashbrown and a dark roast coffee! 👏
Maybe I’m super lucky with the ones in my neighborhood in N.S, because they’re pretty much always consistent! Maybe it’s because I rarely go during busy times 😅
I live in Montreal Quebec and my experience with Tim Hortons has always been a good one. I love their sandwiches, their cold coffees, their donuts, everything.
When I used to work downtown, I’d go to Tim Hortons every single working day.
I have yet to be disappointed by Tims.
I hear people say that a lot here that Tims isn’t as good as people make it seem but I never understood because my experience has been very different 🤷🏽♀️
I don’t know why that is.
@@OnlyLilynn44 no idea. For me its also location dependant. Some Tims I know to avoid. It's heavily dependent on the staff in my opinion. But if you're always having a great experience that's good to hear!
It’s horrible in Toronto, all the Sikh/Punjabi workers are rude for no reason. They’re impatient & get annoyed easily. They always get my order wrong, I said no pork please & they added it anyways & then I showed them to get a new sandwich & they said sorry you need to pay for a new sandwich when I just paid for the previous order they messed up. They never get my orders correct. They have horrible customer service. It’s always so busy or out of stock.
There are Tim Horton's in the US and I know that American's will also visit the Tim Horton's in Korea. When friends moved back from Las Vegas - they couldn't wait to stop at the first Tim Horton's on the way home to get their fix,
Oh the snow! Recently here in Germany we had the most snow in years! I live in the most humid part, where two rivers meet and we had a good 4cm of snow and the snow stuck for 3-4 days until it was all melted. We had black ice warnings and everything. I was so happy!
I heard high price is their strategy to differentiate their brand from others. When you go into an already saturated market, you are not left with many choices to be honest.
So neat to see a bit of Canada in Seoul, my go to order is their blt sandwich, sour cream glazed donut, and a lemonade.
We have Tim Hortons in Houston, they're expanding, and I love the egg bacon and cheese croissant sandwiches. I also love the fact that I can have a muffin with it instead of the hashbrowns. I'm a new Tim Horton convert, and its y'all's fault, from your videos.
Hi Sarah! Hi Kyuho! This makes me want to visit Canada and Tim Horton’s all the more! We were supposed to be going on a cruise with my in-laws, up to Alaska, this July. One of the land excursions that I pre-booked, was a visit to Victoria BC, that included a trip to Tim Horton’s. Because of you both and your past family videos, I was super excited and was planning on getting some Timbits and cookies! I’m all about everything maple. Maple donuts are my go-to, whether they’re raised, cake, or cruellers. Then…..ugh! We were forced to cancel everything last week. In-laws’ aren’t in the best of health. 😢
I still want to make it my mission to visit Canada and Tim Horton’s at some point. Thank you for sharing Korea’s menu. I’m so happy that you have a little bit of home there for you and Kyuho! ❤
Blessings! Take care!
Oh no! So sorry to hear about your in-laws health issues :( ❤️
@@2hearts1seoul ……Thank you! We are doing everything to make sure that they are well taken care of. Truth be told, I don’t think they were looking forward to going on a trip to Alaska, as they had already been there before. 🥹
Aside from your Tim Horton’s “taste test” segment. Your whole content is relaxing and music is chill. I miss Korea! Thanks for sharing ❤
Thank you! ☺️
Seolleung was my station when I was in Seoul last November. It was all boarded up but I remember seeing the signs for the new Tim Hortons just outside the station exit and being intrigued. I'm from New Zealand so I haven't tried it before. Will have to give it a go next time I'm back there.
Glad you got a taste of home Sarah, even if it does come at a very expensive price 😅 Hope they listen and bring out the blueberry muffins!
It’s the same here in Shanghai. Anyone else miss the birthday cake timbits they did back in 2019 for Canada’s 150th birthday. They were heaven 😭❤️
SO good!
I worked at timmys in Toronto. I kinda miss everything bagel with cream cheese and medium icedcapp!
YUMM
눈 오는 겨울에 아이스음료 두 잔으로 다 시켜도 이질감 없어하는 세라님 보고 이제 그냥 한국인 그 자체라고 생각했어욬ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
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I'm American so Tim Hortons has never been a thing for me, but I did try Tim Hortons cold brew over the holidays while I was home in the US and it was quite nice! I've been to Canada but never a Tim Hortons! Starbucks was relatively new to me as I came of age so I've never felt any particular affinity for it but when they came to Sweden they failed horribly. We have a well-established chain here, Espresso House, that is probably the Swedish analogue to Tim Hortons. Their coffee is pretty good, they do a few seasonal drinks but nothing ridiculous or super trendy, and their menu offerings are nice but not too plentiful. Like you, I need customization, I have very specific dietary restrictions, Espresso House does not charge extra for non-dairy milks, which I think is good practice. Not surprised at those prices really, but I can't believe the price on Timbits! I'm curious to see how they do in South Korea, considering the cafe scene there is pretty robust.
Now we just need Fine dining Tim Hortons! Maybe the lack of pastry diversity is in fact explained by what sells in Korea,since Donuts are popular,let's sell donuts,most chained companies are afraid to step out of comfort zone by fear of losing money so they just appeal to the great majority of consumer since it gives them profit security. In Toronto,if my memory serves me right,they tried their hand at a fancy Timmie in hope of providing a more upped experience....haven't heard of it since then...That cozy neighbourhood café vibe has been so ingrained in our Canadian collective that it really seems odd to make it sooo fancy to begin with....
You'll see the McDonald's in my country have a really Fancy aesthetic and the prices are really high for the avenge family. It seems this happens very often when they go to different countries. Also Subway was quite fancy and expensive looking too.
But I think it's true about the cafe game in Korea making it step up tjeir game to compete in the market, though your point is actually right, if donuts are more common in Korea cookies and muffins should've been their highlighted product!
2호점 가셨군요. 저도 캐나다 살때 자주 가본 입장에서 보면 한국에 고급 컨셉으로 들어온건 어느정도 납득이 갑니다만 그에 걸맞는 퀄리티나 한국 매장만의 유니크함이 더 있었으면 좋겠네요. 시간이 지나보면 알겠죠? 😅
Timbits. Always get them when going for a long drive
Seems like all the locations outside of Canada get better food items. I’ve had Tim Hortons in Canada (Toronto) before and it was good but everyone tells me it was better before it got bought apparently all the quality changed. I’m going back to Vancouver soon and I can’t wait to get me some timbits ❤ with a iced Capp
**cries in the US with $14 kimbap** 😂 But seriously, I’m so glad it was good! Hopefully they’ll slowly expand their menu as they open more locations (and maybe even lower the prices slightly?)… 🤞
😂😂😭 same here with bibimbap. But the Trader Joe’s frozen bibimbap is decently good.
I'm gonna need a super-cut of every time Sarah says muffin 😄 Glad you can get a little taste of home when you need it now!
Loved this …I was so hungry for donuts and coffee! I wish we had Tim Hortons in CA❤ Do one on Subway as we see them eating this in all the dramas 😊
Kyuho goes to Subway in Korea all the time 😅 The interior is way nicer than in Canada. They don’t have quite as many things on the menu as the U.S and Canada, but the prices are pretty similar.
Glad you can get your Tim Horton's fix (kind of). :) But I'm going to need Kyuho to do a Korean donut review (sorry Sarah). I need to see Korea's donut game! If it's wasn't so rainy where I live (US), I'd be going to get some donuts right now.
Thanks for the fun video! I’m Canadian and visit my sister often in England, where they also opened a Timmy’s! I was surprised to see they knew the classic “double double” order last time I was there.
Do you know if the Korean Timmy’s knows that phrase?
We have Tim Hortons here in the UK now too, and it's quite expensive here also! They likely will expand the menu as time goes by, as the same happened at my local one. It was a small menu, but they expanded it now a little more.
Oh i tried Maple ham and cheese melt in Belfast Northern Ireland. I remember they were selling burgers with maple sauce and maple shaped potato wedges. It was darn good!! But just like Korea, they did not have cookies or muffins there as well..
To be fair, i think most foreign restaurants in a country generally offer a much more "appealling"/"upscale" experience, than the restaurants in that foreign restaurant's country of origin would offer lol. in south korea, of course in this branch, everything is so "amazing" because its something most south koreans have never seen before in their lives, so the brand would obviously take advantage of the novelty of the experience. also, i think adding a layer of extravagance promotes the image of that foreign country in general.
but of course such intentions depend on how developed the target country is, because if a brand from country B wants to for some reason open up in a less-developed country A, obviously it wont be offering the same level of "grandeur", as is showcased in this video, because south korea by most standards is pretty developed, so there are chances to make this grand opening an opportunity to impress the local population. if there was a TH in like somalia or something, it obviously wouldn't seem as impressive as the one in this video.
꺅! 후기영상 기다렸어요! ♡ 잘볼게요!
Okay, now I'm craving donuts at 11pm, THANKS! 😅
I know you knocked the prices but remember to think of this as an import. Just like Korean stuff in the US/Canada costs more than what you find in Seoul. Muffin and cookie mention x 100. Also selection again is not going to be the same compared to Canada just like McDonalds.
Maybe a year ago (can't remember exactly) we started to get Tim Horton's here on Long Island. However... they are in the convenience store part of some gas stations... not stand alone. Kind of like when some gas stations have Dunkin in their convenience store... just a small section with coffee and donuts.
Oohhh! At least they are starting to pop up 👀
It's always a more fancy branch outside it's original one
Tim Hortons is our go to breakfast place here in Toronto. lol. This Tim Horton location in Seoul looks amazing. Not the like the ones that are around our house :-).
25년전쯤 캐나다 팀호튼에서 맛 본 펌킨파이는 최고 였는데. 한국에서도 맛 볼 수 있으면 좋겠어요~~😍
Tim Bits and Hot Chocolate for me and Honey Cruellers.
For a limited time they brought back the Walnut Crunch Crueller, Apple Fritter, and Sugar Twist.
Omg the apple fritter ❤️
I have been to this Tim hortons in korea only once in my lifetime AND surpringsly this place has the best americano😅. EVEN BETTER than starbucks
I guess you find the same reason like why I don’t go to North American coffee brands here in Korea.
Having lived in Buffalo NY, just across from the Niagara Falls, Tim Horton was a humble coffee house to go and pick up some doughnuts.
Not sure why they should be so expensive here.
Ill be visiting seoul ina few weeks and cant wait to try tim hortons! Ready to experience the snow, compared to the hot summer in melbourne australia. Love your videos❤
I am always interested when I view a video comparing costs in Seoul. I live in the San Francisco Bay area and pay $7.15 for a medium size latte! 🙃
I wish Tim Hortons would come to Germany❤ so many nice memories😊
Sarah, you should just email Timmy's and ask them if you can consult for them haha. It'd be easier to get those muffins on the menu :D. But I think you're right that they can set themselves apart with the muffins and cookies. Maybe that's in the works, but they are still working on their "ramp up" right now?
All the options for the ice cap reminds me of boba. More ice/less ice, reg sugar/less sugar, what topping. Might as well jump back there and make your drink yourself with so many options lol. I remember wayyyyy back when when boba was like the drink and just the large pearls. That was like your only option haha.
Reallyyy hoping that it’s in the works, because it would really help set them apart from an oversaturated market 🍩
I just wish Tims here in Canada looked cleaner and a nice place to have a coffee and donut. Most Tims here just make me wanna order and get out
Oh man, I wanna go to Canada just to try Tim Horton’s 😆
🤣😥😭 Tim Horton is NO LONGER a Canadian corp...own by 3G-a Brazilian investment corp that also owns WENDYS!
when I lived in Shanghai, a cup of latte is between 5CAD to 6CAD, it depends on the size of cup. The price of tims is lower than starbucks in Shanghai, but is still much higher than Canada.
Interesting!
i’m actually here rn trying it for the first time bc of u guys haha
as an american the canadian prices absolutely shocked me. its much more normal for our prices to match the korean ones in coffee shops or really even twice the price, depends where you go
Starbucks is quite a bit more expensive in Canada-Tim’s is more of a budget friendly franchise ☕️
Also, it isn't cheap to lease the locations they've chosen - prime spots if you ask me. At the end of the day, it's no more expensive than any other chain, but ten times better quality. The bread they use for the Maple Ham Cheese Melt is beyond delicious! I really hope the video title doesn't deter anyone from supporting the business.
Hi, Sara - this video is so fun! I noticed at around 2:24 min. the menu showed blueberry muffins. I love them too! Take care!
I wish! But those are madeleines 🥲
I feel the same about Tim Hortons coming to Singapore. They are competing with Japanese donut brands and American ones here. So far, the only thing that's different is the maple glaze donut. I've not tried the melts yet. Will try it one day to see how it is.. Reason why I didn't buy it the first time, is coz it's something you can easily make at home.
Hi guys! You rock! Great episode! I am incredibly surprise by the decor at Tim Hortons in Seoul! I am French, living in Montreal and even downtown it's really simple and even a bit neglected! But I really like to get a capp and It's really funny because (now I am being more precise) everytime I order, they ask me if I take it cold or hot and I am like, what are you talking about? It's minus 15 outside! Maybe a little culture shock for me. But It's always great value. Keep going guys, x
Never heard of Tim Horton’s until my daughter started attending University of Buffalo. She is now obsessed!!
Tim Hortons in the UK seems much closer in resemblance to what you'll find back in Canada.
(and I wish that they'd open Tim Hortons in Japan. I miss having my Timmy's after playing a game of hockey!)
The Tim Hortons in Korea feels so much more premium and fancy compared to Canada, the interior design in Korea looks so much nicer and cleaner. I always get the large original iced capp which costs with tax $4.73 and my favourite muffin is the fruit explosion. A few years ago I used to get the frozen raspberry lemonade which was my favourite until they discontinued it and replaced it with strawberry which tastes way too sweet. Sometimes I get a Tim Hortons app offer for any size iced capp with 10 Timbits for $5 plus tax ($5.10). About 10 years ago Canadian Tim Hortons stopped serving food on plates and coffee in mugs. Do the prices on stuff in Korea already have tax pre-added, whereas in Canada you find the total cost with tax only at the checkout when you pay?
Man, I hope they do expand their menu to include the muffins and cookies as well 👀👀
I live in CA in the states so I've never been to Korean. How do the prices in the Tim Hortons in Seoul compare to the cafes you both usually go to?
Tim Horton's in Michigan was like a modernized McDonald's when I lived up there. Supposedly, they are coming to my area of Texas... and I'm excited. Side note: I love how you both fully dive into the experiences of each other's cultures. This was fun!
Those Tim Horton branded "Carter" mugs are expensive. They are all over the US right now and cost around $35.
Great video! It's always nice to be able to get a little bit of home when away from home. How's Beemo doing? Missed not seeing him in this video.
It’s crazy to see Tim Hortons in different parts of the world now. I have a sour cream doughnut but now they don’t have them in my store which I’m super bummed about and a blackberry/yuzu quencher
Yeah! They really seem to be branching out! 🍩
Hmm. Nice that the Won and Canadian Dollar are trading at a level where you can just divide/multiply by 1000 for an easy (if a bit rough) price translation. :)
And, yeah, those prices are insane. How are they compared to other South Korean places of the same quality, though?
Yeah! Definitely made things easier for this video, haha
the brand is so iconic that i remember walking into a tim horton's in toronto thinking "oh yes, now i can say I've been to canada" hahaha
I'm sure they'll slowly roll out different things in the menu at their shops as they learn about the market's behaviour and recover some of the investment. these things are always VERY intentional, even when they seem a bad idea to us
Hahaha, YES! I always love the feeling of landing in Canada and seeing that first Tim’s at the airport 🥹🇨🇦
It must be nice to have a taste of home. I'm from New England in the States and Dunkin' Donuts is the Tim Horton's around here. It seems there are about 900 Dunkies in South Korea!
I am kinda digging glammed up/3rd spacey Tim Horton. Don’t know Koreans be receptive to “homey” 90s aesthetics vibe tho. Was all that for less than $20? Not too bad
Yeah, if Tim’s in Korea looked like the Tim’s in Canada, I don’t think it would be very successful-there’s already so much competition ‘aesthetic-wise’ in Korea when it comes to cafes and coffee shops ☕️
In canada Tim's dd begel with cream cheese and donut for 7.50
Now I want to try it too, but I live in Daegu and there is not tim hortons here T_T I will have to wait until I visit Seoul again
I hope they will open some branches in other cities too! 🍩
@2hearts1seoul yeah! Would be nice to have one here! Have a great Sunday you guys ☺️
timmy hos is wiiild for going so hard in Korea xD I've only had Tim Hortons in Buffalo, NY region but omgosh... their coffee is excellent and i'd forgo Starbies if we had one in my area. All who are close to a Tim Hortons are spoiled. TT Love it sm! I am vegan now, so it would be nice to have vegan timbits ^^ Also, I kinda wish that there was a way for workers to add in an occasional "eh" lol!
Me craving for Tim Hortons at 12:30 AM now haha.. Love u guys! When are you going back to Canada? ❤
Tim Horton's!! ❤❤ Better than Dunkin Donuts. They are also right over the border in Mohawk country New York State. You look SO excited Sarah
It was an exciting day 🥹
I literally am crying at those prices! Holy smokes
A box of 10pcs Tmbits here in SG is SGD10 😂. My fav drink will be their Maple Cinnamon Latte with Oat Milk at SGD7.80.
A coffee drink under $5 usd is not too much by the U.S. standard. Also, it is pretty much on par with other international chains, the format and products are never the same as the originals (McDonald, Pizza Hut, Burger King etc).
😢 I’m sitting here thinking that price is not bad….cause a large cup of coffee is like $10 in US Starbucks 😭😭😭😭😭 to see that CAN is even cheaper …why is food so pricey
To me, Tim Horton's seems like a fast food/diner place. Like just very comfortable and affordable.
Was in Dubai and the Tim’s is crazy expensive. Thanks for sharing 🍩
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I ordered some Tim Horton's Dark roast for my husband. It's now his favorite!
Latte, Tim Bits, and potato soup (sometimes chili). That's my go-to. Also, are you guys using a different camera now? This video has a different look. I like it!
we have muffin here in Tim Hortons Philippines and mostly the drinks would cost $3.1 and muffin would be less than $2 and timbits are $0.32 each
Sounds almost exactly like Tim’s prices in Canada! 🇨🇦
Basque Cheesecake LOL that dessert we call it "Goxua". That hit home as a Basque person XD
The UK Tim Horton's only has doughnuts and no other baked goods. Prices seem to be in line with Korea, the last time I checked a couple of years ago.
Ohhh interesting!
From Tennessee never had Tim Horton's. I did start to buy some powdered hot chocolate off Amazon since I've seen Y'all go there when at parents house. Ended up getting Land O' Lakes hot chocolate instead.😅 I never heard Y'all review it, was on the fence.
It’s delicioussss! 🤭
@@2hearts1seoul I will definitely order some then!! Ty!!😊
I seen that beebing thing only in jollibees in canada
There's Tim Hortons here in Singapore and I just went to try it for the first time. I love the donuts and timbits! But it's pricey! SGD10 for a box of 10 timbits! I shall try the Ice Cap and sourdough melts next time! :) Oh, sadly we don't have muffins here too.
Wow! 😳 We were shocked at how expensive the timbits were, considering how they’re one of the cheapest things on the menu at Canadian Tim Hortons. Pleeease try the Iced Cap 🙌
Yes I will try the Ice Cap! :) @@2hearts1seoul
i have been in asia for like a decade last time i went to tims was in philipines would be cool to try it in korea but looks to fancy.
항상 잘 보고 있습니다~ 오늘도 잘 보고 갑니다~
I like the wainscoting with light strip
The rental and business cost is high now in Korea.
Its not always same menu around the world for Tim Hortons, they study their market amd adapt to it. You have different taste for TH since you've got used to it in Canada. Remember this is Asia and has different flavor offerings. It's just like how Starbucks adapted worldwide. You're to harsh for a franchise Sara. Try to out more research on how they do it before you critisize them.
I’d say our video is far from ‘harsh’ 😅
You guys got me hooked on Korean street food.
Wow that is probably the nicest and most expensive Tim’s I’ve seen lol…