Range Anxiety - Thing of the past? | 800,000 Km battery warranty with Ultraviolette F77 | PowerDrift
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- Опубликовано: 15 янв 2025
- Testing is a crucial part of any manufacturer's process, and Ultraviolette takes this responsibility very seriously with their F77. A few of their test units recently clocked 1,00,000 kms each and despite that, the battery impressively retained over 95% of its original rated capacity. But that’s not all - the Ultraviolette F77 and the F77 Mach 2 boasts an industry-leading 800,000 km battery warranty, surpassing even Tesla. Varun Painter visited its home city of Bengaluru to witness this achievement firsthand. Here’s what transpired.
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I own one. Regarding range I did a tour from Bangalore to Mysore around 140 KM one way. Started at 100% dropped down to 27%. What they don't say is you have to keep the speed between 40kmph to 50kmph to get high range. Have to keep under 40 kwh. Which is hard based on elevation. City ride is good all thanks to traffic and regen. But long highway ride you will loose range drastically. If you check out their specificitions in their official website you only get 266KM at 100%. The claim of 307KM is only if you ride the bike in a straight road at the speed of 30kmph is when you get that range. I think the company should have been more transparent regards to this. Instead of just advertising 307KM IDC. I do love my bike. but touring somewhere long is just scary and uncertain and carrying that heavy charger is more like riding the bike to a chiropractitioner. And since the charging port is type 6 which isn't a standard charging point across charging stations in India you have to carry the heavy charger and searching for 3 Pin connectors.
Thanks for the insight
Appreciate the comment 👏
Well This was enough to convince me that i am not going to buying this for now, this is why they keep advertising it to achieve the maximum number of sales to compensate the flaws, you need to advertise alot when your product isn't upto the mark..!
So you got 140km of highway range for 73% of battery. So to extrapolate that to 100% highway range of 190 to 200km - which is exactly what UV claims for their ballistic mode , on the website , on the spec sheet, on the vehicle display. So not sure how this is the surprise? I also use the bike and it is fairly obvious. IDC range is mostly used to compare vehicles even in cars like MG, Tata etc - that is more like city range.
@@tecnomaniac The reason I got that range was due to keeping the mode in glide and speed between 40 kmph to 55 kmph. Due to this the journey was longer. The bike has power and I felt like pushing the mode to combat and go high speed. But the range anxiety kicks in and you can't really do much. Another challenge was finding a charging point and waiting for 7 hours to get it back to 100% for return trip.
Guys, you didn't mention the range that you got ? while visiting the fort
UV should've just given it CCS2 or type2 charging port. that single thing is holding Ev enthusiasts like myself from buying it. no need for 8L km warranty. 1L is enough. just give it CCS2 or atleast type 2.
DC Type 6 for all two wheelers in India.. Cars = Type 2, Bikes = Type 6.
UV should have used Ather compactable chargers it would have been a practical tourer with 2000+ Ather Grids PAN india
UV doesn't support other type 6 charging ports. Ola has type 6. But it doesn't charge the F77.
My request to Ultraviolet is to make an ADV or Street. I will buy it.
Tourer/Cruiser from my end.
I'm sure Ultraviolette are checking the comments. :)
Range is the problem, hope they make an ADV edition too.
That would be damn cool.
If range is a problem then why would they make a ADV edition. Does not make any sense
Ultraviolet should have used Ather compactable chargers as they have made it BIS standard now it would have been a practical tourer with 2000+ Ather Grids PAN india
And sales would have also shoot up
actually True
However most of the time ather chargers are always busy and taking the battery size of uv f77 it will take double the time
Ather chargers are not standard.. rest of the industry is going with Type 6... OLA TVS Honda Tork
1. Top speed on a dyno is irrelevant my old trusty CBR250R used to do 172 on dyno and never crossed 152 -155 and I was 57KG that time 😅
2. What are the parameters to claim battery pack warranty. Because Highest quality battery packs in Lithium ion space have averaged around 1000 cycles and 3000 cycles are unheard of and if you consider perfect conditions with 304KM range you still have to deal with 2600 plus cycles this feat is only been achieved by 0.2% of highest quality lithium ion cells in controlled conditions which is a far cry from a daily used motorcycle. What % of original capacity can constitute a Warranty claim. 80% is acceptable anything below that is unusable because of multiple factors in multi cell battery packs.
3. Why not take TVS’s help to streamline the production and Try to work on the production process and component sharing to make it a viable(and sensible) product to purchase. As a 8yrs of straight loss making does not promote the confidence in a manufacturer to be around long time .
1) Dyno is always safer!
2) Sudden drop is SOC. Basically irrregularities in the battery pack qualify for a claim
3) TVS is not involved directly with operations.
1. Depends on the dyno.. there are customers in the comments who have achieved the same top speed.... calibrated dyno's add load to compensate for aerodynamic drag as it is evident here
2. well if that's the case how are there Tesla vehicles which are over 10 years old, have covered a million+ km and still at 95% of battery capacity.. .public data available on this
3. the reason why startups succeed is because they work independently..... 8 years..ever heard of Lindy effect? the longer something has been around, the longer it's likely to persist into the future.
@@tecnomaniac it's not easy to design,engineer and develop a motorcycle...with that level of performance and promises. That requires a good amount of testing and refining. So 8 years is a valid timeline for such a motorcycle. That's why now they have their confidence in their product and promise such warranty figures. Also they started their deliveries only in 2023...if am not wrong..! And now they have launched their MACH2. So for a homegrown brand delivering such a product with trust and quality...is crazy..!
The performance is like a 300cc bike. So it would be great for the highways and expressways.
They need somewhere between 300 -500km range though.
And fast charging(5-10 minutes)
Mai to bolta hun jadu karde bike pe.
They need support of Ather Grid to work out in India.
Travelling with this bulky charger is Nonsense
@@rohanvarghese1829But the plugs are different (an adapter might work) & the batteries are bigger in UV f77 so it will take around 2.5 hrs to charge in ather fast charging grids. The ola plugs are same but with their level of quality UV's circuit boards will be fried. ✌️
I've touched around 154 on roads on my F77, don't need a dyno for that.
legally
@@ajt11at true
@@1nix1 yup, it's true after a while it heats up and the motor derates and caps speed to 120 ish, but i don't remember how long until that happens.
U happy with the range?
Absolute Legend ❤
Most of people not ready for this bike because of price
I don't understand that this bike supports fast charging and have separate or dedicated port for charging/ proprietary charging port instead of DC fast charging,
You can solve this problem by adding a DC fast charging port or adapter, thn people from any where can buy this bike with spending huge money on just charger.
Charging anxiety can be avoided buy this, or I'll have to check with someone where that they can help with plug-in to their 15A socket and that's bit difficult to monetize(bill receipt).
That's major reason not to my buy a super electric bike, as the charging socket / port is not regulated in India.
If this problem is fixed there's a huge opportunity.
It is useless to test max speed on a dyno where is no air drag
if you knew how a dyno worked, you'd know there is load added to compensate for aerodynamic drag, friction etc. besides there are people here in the comment section here who are riding their bikes at 154kmph.
Bigger question is How much electrical quantity or in bill it takes up for 0-100% charging.
10kw battery, so, obviously it won't take over 12unit electricity
If 1unit of electricity is priced @₹8/- (Guwahati). Fully charging might cost around ₹100
@@aryan_kalita Yup, it's around that much if charged at home. Slightly more when charged from a commercial fast charging station.
That, in fact, is the smallest question. I have a 40bhp bike, it does 24-28kmpl or about ₹3.8-4.5/km depending on usage.
This is also a 40bhp bike, does 30-50p/km in similar usage.
The running cost is literally ⅒.
@@aryan_kalitaIm my state electricity gets expensive the more units you use unlike petrol which is same for 1 or 1000 litres.
@@gnanasabaapatirg7376even then the electricity will be cheaper lol. How much more a unit will cost 10? 12? 15? Even then it will be cheaper
I leave in bengaluru and till date i have managed to see 1 UV bike on the road. I dont know how will they sustain if this is the condition they are happy with. 🙄
There's at least 100 of us, in Bangalore. More elsewhere.
I have seen more bro, Especially in greater bangalore areas.
U would missed it bcoz it don’t make any sound maybe 😂😂😂
Bruh, u blind 💀
They have sold more than 300 vehicles in Banglore itself, if I'm not wrong
Do you take into account for the air drag on the dyno? No, right. Hence the higher top speed of 154 on the dyno.
I've done 154 on the road on mine
Oh ofcourse, that's a given.
8L kms is bonkers!! I'm in awe of these guys now! Make India proud guys!!
Woohoooo
I don't understand the fact why these people ignore electricity expense while comparing it with fuel when it comes to ICE vs EV..!
They usually don't ...only in this video I saw they completely ignored the electricity cost. The rule of thumb is for 2 wheelers the electricity cost is between 1/10th to 1/20th of your fuel cost, depending on riding style. So, at the worst, you will save 90% of your fuel cost, and at the best you will save 95% of your fuel cost. For 4 wheelers, this ratio is about 1/4th to 1/5th, so you will save anywehere between 75% to 80% of your fuel cost. And this figure only gets better over time, as fuel cost rises much faster than electricity cost, although that will be marginal over its lifetime.
Range is very low and pricing is very high for the product...They're are far more better machines available in the market for this price range.
do you know of any other performance evs in India?
Arai returned 300 kms.. Whereas PD got around 500-600 kms with 3-4 times of charge..
At 8L kms what sort of degradation is expected from the battery and what is the warranty for rest of the components
Why worry about it?
Only
@@rohanvarghese1829 True that
I ride a lot, and even then, it is between 40-50,000 km per year. This warranty would last 15 years at least, for me.
@@sportstours24What do you do to clock that kind of range? Your ICEs would be crying I guess?
i want to buy all the variants, waiting for the f99! love it uv
🤟🤟🤟
Can we appreciate the camera work
Shoutout to the DOP! 🔥
They should come up with an adv version of it too I think. Better suited for long distance, if someone even wants to go that way. Also better suited for the pot hole ridden roads we generally have in cities in our country
E-ADV! We love the sound of that
No info on the SOC when you started your ride to Penukonda Fort? No info on range or km/kWh!!!
100% when we started from Bengaluru
As usual, the making is amazing 💥🤟😍. Do I even need to comment?
Welll......If you want to. :P Thanks for the comment! 🤟
I remember this testing camo livery. Even back then, these designs were crazy good. Any chance we can buy an F77 with this livery?
Looks nice no?
Built quality of battery is not good because i was an association in this company there are so many thread washouts and mistakes that workers do i hope that the battery line incharge should be improved staff
I have been using f77 from past six months and in the recent heatwave I never got overheating warning. I rode responsibily and irresponsibily as well. My Max battery temp was 42 during 45 in Hyderabad.
Ni range drop either. Unless I m going ballistic for like 40+ Kilometres
Maybe it improved after you exited🤐
@@TheElectricMotoLifeis it comfortable riding in city.. 30+ kms? Hyderabad traffic
Unlimited Range Hack. Get Pulsar NS400Z @2.2L on road istead off f77 @4.2L on road. Both has almost similar performance.
Now u have saved 2L
Spend the first 1L on petrol for 25,000km with 25kmpl mileage approximately! for next 2-3 years (8500 - 12,500kms/year). Service cost of petrol bike = both Charging and service cost of electric bike.
Sell the 2.2L bike for 1.2L, now the Second 1L you saved will compensate the 1L you lost on selling
Now Repeat this for total of 8years!!! The guy with f77 will now will have lost Battery warrenty of 8L Kms/8years. And you will be having a brand new Pulsar NS400Z!!
It reminds me of that famous riddle of where is my 1 rupee gone?IYKYK. Let's do your math correctly about how much you actually spent, you first spent 2.2L, then you spent 1 lak on fuel(not adding the servicing as it gets negated by the charging cost+servicing cost of f77 as per your calculation, which is about right). So, your total expense so far 3.2 Lak, now you sell the NS at 1.2 Lak, so your effective expense is now 3.2 lak-1.2 lak= 2 lak, you now are buying another new NS which is 2.2 lak(considering there will be no inflation, which is not right), so your effective expense is 2 lak+2.2 lak=4.2 lak, now repeating the same calculation from before, 4.2 lak+1 lak(on fuel)=5.2 lak, you sell the bike at 1.2 lak, so effective expense 5.2-1.2=4 lak and buy another one so 4 lak+2.2 lak=6.2 lak...Let's just say you managed to do the iteration only upto this within the 8 years of time, which means by the end of 8 years, you will have spent 6.2 laks and a 3-4 year old NS or you spent 4.2 lak 8 years ago, invested the extra 2 laks and earned some more money and a 8 year old F77. Now does it look that bad? EV batteries actually have life of more than 12-15 yeaars if used properly, even if the battery goes bad, you can still replace the battery with that extra 2 lakhs you saved at this point of time.
@@Amuzic_Earth Unlimited Range Hack 2.0
U77 Recon UV care max 8 year extended warranty cost 40k , so bike costs 4.7L on road.
Now Buy Ns400Z for 2.2L
U have saved 2.5L from not buying f77 ( If you want to argue Petrol prices increases every year, then use 50K for petrol and invest 2L on gold for compensation)
If not then spend 2.5L on Petrol with 25.5kmpl Mileage = 64,000Km
You can drive 8000km/year for a total of 8years
Now After 8 years the Guy with F77 has lost battery warranty. He will have to replace the battery for 2L in the next 7years , the new battery has warranty of 3 years only ( extra 40,000 for 8years warranty)
Now Spend that 2L to 2.4L u saved from not buying battery on petrol
U can drive 54,000 - 64,000km in 7years
Approx 8000km per year
Service cost of Ns400 equals Running and service cost of F77
Now it's been 15years both bikes have lost Validity of RC by govt law.
Now Repeat the whole cycle again!
Sidhi baat no bakwaas f77 kharidne ki okat nahi hai
Guys
. All this discussion is fine. But tell me which petrol vehicle will still be available in 2032. You guys forgot that. Most countries have commited to reduce new ICE sales by 2030. It's not as far out as you think.
@@tecnomaniac bro all countries have planned to stop MANUFACTURING and selling of ICE engine vehicles by 2030. And complete Ban of USAGE by 2045. Im not against electric vehicles , I jus beleive F77 at 4.7L is not a feasible option.
1 important thing that UV can do : integration of boost charger inside the bike . And use a pull mechanism for charging cable .
We are sure Ultraviolette are seeing this.
If their battery is so good why do they degrade performance just after riding it for short time at high speed .
Use bike in ballistic for some time and one can easily understand that its range is nowhere near to their claim .
Its to protect the battery pack. In our experience, the lower modes are not slow and should be enough for the city.
When you exceed speed of 140,+ motor heats up and speed trips below 100
Doesn't work like that. If you maintain those numbers for a longer duration, the pack will try to protect itself and move to another mode.
Also you forgot a microphone for your talent
I don't know why these EV makers don't make a full faring bike cause they already have side faring anyway and without front faring it looks weard like a big lump of plastic have two wheels attached.
Ultraviolet should make a super sport bike rather than this extremely aggressive street fighter.
See the F99
they have a technique where they channel the air behind front wheels and give you an invisible front faring, i havent tested it but the graphics looked cool
Ultraviolette is working on the F99! Check that out.
99% will agree that she is beautiful than every bike costing
Nice content..👌👌👌
Thank you so much!
Thank you Vikash
What a joke. How can warranty reduce range anxiety?
Two separate things.
I should've had a CCS2 port
If it had a DC fast charging support for doing long rides i would have taken it for sure. A lot of 4 wheeler DC fast charging stations are available currently
It depends on units and the state you are in.
My R15 v2 has clocked 1,75,000kms till date!
bro.. you should ride more.
Dayummmmmm!
Old video?
Nope.
How Many Km Battery Warrenty
8,00,000!
29
Huh?
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Always good to see you Shashank.
Seen 4 on road till date including 1 that was a camouflaged bike under testing. Don't know how that work for the sustainance in the long term for the brand.
True content of PD vlog I love
Thanks! ❤️
Over priced ....
Who are buying this bikes, aren't this company bankrupt yet...🤔
Chinese product?
Purely made in india parth
Made in India. :)