This is the first time I've seen a kind of podcast where it isn't a one-sided interview, but rather an actual conversation between two people who have chemistry. I like it.
This is so incredibly relevant to me right now. I'm 25, moved to a new country where I don't have any friends, I don't yet speak the language, and I'm doing my PhD in a lab where my experience is a bit different from what the main research topics at hand are. I definitely feel distant from everyone and everything right now. Thanks for this!
Lol I think you also basically described my current experience now. 26, moved to a new country, a little bit of friends, still learning the language, and just started my PhD. Keep going my friend and find the nicest things you currently have and cherish them and don’t focus on what you don’t have and can’t control.
Wow. Same here. 23. Moved to a new country, doing my masters, learning the language. Don’t have friends in lab, but spent whole my days in there. Guys thank you. You made me feel like I am not alone. Wish you all the best🤍
@@saodat4844 look at us, pursuing the pinnacle of education, doing research, and trying our best to fight off our loneliness. Thank you as well! Keep your head up!
You two are so incredibly different and at the same time you complement each other in such a beautiful way. Both of you are good listeners, very well spoken. Listening to you is like a therapy session for those who cannot articulate their own mind in proper words. Thank you for sharing such an amazing content.
Nathaniel, for you, at this point it seems that traveling constantly (and especially during winter) is already your default comfort zone. I think staying more in, enduring the bad weather, maintaining and nourishing connections and not escaping to make "new fun memories" would be the "out of your comfort zone" experience nowadays! I would be interested in knowing what you'd learn from that!! 😊 (or I'm just projecting my own experience 😂)
haha, I think you have a good point about that, Nathaniel is always changing and doing stuff, kinda like me, in a way, he's like living my dream life, because I always had to move, but yeah, sometimes staying is a challenge.
I’m not in my 20s anymore but I know that when it comes to loneliness, one of the main issues is admitting it because it comes with some shame and then, there’s the taking initiative to figure out ways out of the loneliness. There’s nothing wrong with being on your own but we all need each other. There are definitely different types of loneliness and we have to be willing to figure out how do you address the type of loneliness that you have. It takes vulnerability, a willingness to do something about it and patience because you might not always get it right. But keep trying to pursue ways out of loneliness to get to your joy and connecting with like-minds 🤗
I feel like anybody who’s ever watched your vids prob also watches Lana, and vice versa lol. Inevitable collab! Edit: This is pretty much one of the best “podcasts” or discussions I’ve ever listened to, it’s so timely with where I am in my life right now, on the subject of loneliness, i find myself yearning for more of these types of conversations in life, so ironically it made me feel lonely too, lol. But as I get older and more aware, I think part of life is embracing the highs and lows as they come, and try to just find peace in the middle. I think if we live the right way, we aren’t perpetually always lonely or happy. Both feelings are so fleeting, we want one to end and the other to last forever, but that could never be the case, so I’m trying to embrace both and try find peace being in the middle
Loved this conversation. I think that yes loneliness can be an idea in our head, but it is also a biological mechanism that's naturally installed in us, much like hunger and thirst. It is a way for our body to tell us that we need to go get more of XYZ thing, or else the system is going to fail. So I try to use the feeling of loneliness as motivation to take action.
Nathaniel, when you talk about needing more stimulus, going outside of your comfort zone constantly, not being able to be at ease with downtime but at ease with going across the world, getting bored often- it just reminds me of myself and others who have ADHD. I’m not sure if you’ve ever been told that you may have it or were already tested for it, but the feelings you’ve been describing in this episode are what a lot of ADHDers share. As we lack dopamine and have poor executive function due to our brains being built differently, we crave exciting adventures or anything that gets us stimulated. It’s painful for us to relax because it requires us to sit in our racing minds that won’t shut up while it’s not even a struggle for neurotypicals (granted they’re not stressed) to relax. I’ve been watching your videos for awhile, and I’m not sure you’ll even read this, but I thought I’d just share my input in case you do and this potential discovery helps you on your journey. Whether or not you choose to identify with having ADHD, these struggles and feelings you describe are valid, and I think it’s okay to follow your path of extremes and many lifestyle changes if that’s how you operate best. Everyone’s unique at the end of the day and as long as we are accepting of ourselves and others in our differences, life truly becomes a beautiful thing to explore and be content with.
Agree!! I'm older now and my ADHD that I had growing up has definitely chilled. But, reading your take on Nathan's need for stimuli and constant adventure describes me perfectly all through my 20's & 30's. It's just now in my 40's that I can 100% relax and feel grateful for my past adventures while appreciating the contentment in my solitude. But, everything in moderation. I've found the perfect balance is accomplishing at least 1-2 goals per day (beyond the everyday stuff, like work, cleaning, ect) so that if I choose to reward myself by relaxing and not trying to take on too much I no longer feel the guilt that often comes with that. It's funny, as someone older now, my first instinct in listening to you and Lana (I subscribed to her channel yrs ago & find her to be an elegant, beautiful old soul) is "what can I learn from these two people about life at that young age"...but I'm glad I watched because you offer a great perspective to any age group. And, loneliness, boredom, finding balance doesn't discriminate - we all feel it at any age. It's comforting to know this and have it be so relatable. "Be happy for this moment, this moment is your life." - Omar Khayyam
Nathaniel Drew, that recurring loneliness you feel, I have that as well-- no matter how many friends/activities I'm surrounded by. I really enjoyed both of your thoughts here and your vulnerability throughout this episode. This conversation has felt oddly validating, these are discussions I haven't had mirrored through others and its nice to hear that we are not 'alone' in these thoughts. I haven't figured out where my recurring loneliness stems from, but perhaps its a somewhat natural part of our existence, perhaps its the meaning we tie to it that can make it painful... thanks for these rich videos!
Omg Lana and Nathaniel dreams come true I guess Cause two thing I wanted to see on this channel: Pick up lime with Nathaniel and Lana with Nathaniel Thank you so much, can't wait for my shift to end and start watching it 😍
Could’ve listened to this for hours! Loneliness, what an interesting topic and what an interesting conversation this was! As always, Nathaniel is so open with sharing his experiences and feelings with us. That in-depth honesty is a gift to us listeners! Lana, thank you for being so insightful and asking great questions. The openness of these kinds of conversations reassures me about my own existential questions. Thank you 🙏
This was an unexpected podcast, when I say the thumbnail, I was like WHAT?; and frankly both of you delivered an amazing storytelling, we can all be inspired by, keep on the great work!
I must say you two are like the female and male versions of the 1 same person/soul/mind , two puzzles that fits perfectly 😊 Don't miss or waste that...
I understand wanting to have someone there at certain times and have explored why I feel that way. I thought back to when I traveled to Australia with my boyfriend at the time. A little bit after that trip, we went through pictures. He brought up things that I totally forgot about and I brought up things he forgot about. Those resurfaced and sparked many more good memories from that trip. Memories comprise much of the happiness we get from life and being with someone provides a witness to our own lives and we see how we affect their lives. On a deeper level, that gives us a feeling of satisfaction, accomplishment and purpose. We can have those memories for ourselves and still conjure up these feelings but maybe the fear might be in forgetting those memories when we're not sharing them with someone else.
C'est vraiment nice d'entendre vos deux perceptions sur le sujet de la solitude, je préfère de loin un podcast de style conversation qu'une entrevue one sided! 🥰💯 Merci à vous deux
Wow, my gosh this was an incredible conversation talking about so many of the feelings and thoughts that come up for me regularly... particularly about being comfortable and content where you are, vs being uncomfortable in having new experiences as the fuel for growth. So many insights so thanks for sharing!
Beautiful podcast, per usual! What you said Nathaniel on that desire to know what love is romantically really resonated. I think also it is this strong desire to share love.
The point you mention about how in doing one thing and living in the present, the one thing becomes everything is so profound to me. I feel that I am constantly trying to do 500 things at once in the pursuit of having everything. But lately, I've been realizing it's okay to feel fulfilled by one thing for the time being. I can move to something else if I want to later. I don't have to put pressure on myself to do everything all at once and your discussion of this really solidified this realization for me. so thank you!
omg i've never heard anyone articulated exactly how i feel about having no romance like you did Nathaniel! I complety understand this impatient about expericing more, that was really refreshing to hear it!
I reeeeeally resonate with what Nat has said: "I love squeezing juice out of life and I feel the urgency has led me to make deeper connections but on the flip side that type of urgency can sometimes take me out of the moment."
I'd love to see an interview on how to deal with loneliness in your 40s and 50s. There are a surprisingly large number of Gen xers that could use some suggestions and a voice :)
Amazing conversation, I really like the natural flow of the talk and how it is more of an exploration and self reflection. I had a question for you, while listening to you guys, i felt like it opened up a layer within me too! and the question came up for me was, what if i for a few moments remove the mind from trying to understand what this loneliness is, but instead just explore it from not a mental perspective, or trying to figure out perspective, it becomes goes so much more deeper, and becomes such a deep observation within myself... amazing, have always loved the episodes!!!
I am really enjoying this format of podcasting and I Love Lana, so happy to see you both collabing. I wish I could be there to add my thoughts and experiences as a 35 yr old who is currently re-experiencing some of this. I can relate to Nate as well as Lana. Honestly I have learned so much from needing what Nate is looking for but instead of him on the constant move, I have dived deeper into myself through learning more about myself through things like Astrology. I have been studying it on my own leisure and I can't help to be curious what Nate and Lana's natal charts are because I think if Nate reached out to a great Astrologer, he could find some answers. It could be very validating to learn from it. Also I mean sometimes the deeper core part of what drives someone to accomplish more and more is the feeling if not feeling enough. it's like a double sided coin both beautiful to have that ability and desire to accomplish great things but also maybe slowing down enough to not identify as a accomplishing making machine. Diving deeper into our subconscious fears is a journey and very courageous thing to do as well. just a different way to be a seeker, a traveler, a courageous and hard working person or whatever. Great episode! I needed to hear this today!
I have friendship loneliness. I love my boyfriend but because I'm still new to the country I'm in I can't just go hangout with friends it's been a little more difficult to keep in touch and to make friends. You have to be very intentional with keeping friends because for me at least it easy to forget them until I need them. Which is honestly a little selfish.
I think as a society we're told to learn how to be alone and be with ourselves. When actually i think what we need is to embrace our need of other people.
I relate so much with urgency feeling and the need to be productive or maybe doing something interesting ,so I can call it a good day...and I know it's not a good thing for me that kind of thinking. When I ask myself why I'm feeling this urgent like I must do this things,I think it's driven by not feeling good enough,deep down, maybe..so I can prove myself to me and maybe to others as well that I'm doing something worthy.
this conversation reflects the internal struggle that i currently have xD i have two parts in me that they represent perfectly 😂 one that doesn‘t want to just stay home and the other that just wants to stay in that comfort it feels so contradicting 😆
It was so nice to see her much more playful side with those bloopers. While this episode was certainly enjoyable. The ending makes me think that a more light hearted and laughter filled episode with her would also be really entertaining and fun. She was essentially in therapist mode the whole time and then completely herself, full of joy and relaxed during the bloopers. It was all great to see. I hope you have her on a lot more. She has a very soft and pleasant voice ✨
Never seen Lana before but I love her insights! So interesting to see somebody so content with where she is in life when she has so much opportunity. I’m definitely more like Nathan in that I am always craving adventure and want to live every life and every possibility 😅 it’s pretty stressful for me to want to live in every country and learn every language and try every hobby 😂
Regarding crashing on someone's home... I've been hosting people from all over the world here in Edinburgh, Scotland on Couchsurfing and now only BeWelcome and Trust Roots. The Couchsurfing community is amazing and I love meeting people, connecting and having great chats and a good time together. It's great to stay with Locals, to get to know a city/location with the eyes of someone who lives there, explore the town together, and you always have a place to stay in case you want to visit their country.
when i listen to you i often think you should have studied psychology or philospphie or sociology. i did studie sociology and it really helped me structure my thoughts onto theories,draw connections and conclusions and i met a lot of interesting people. you are a euopean citizen now, maybe you try going to uni one day. in germany there are also programs for "older" scholars
@@MsGuitars666 Just a guess based on my observations! The fact that he likes to move frequently and try many different cultures and places says he's more of an Enthusiast (7) than an Individualist, (4) who are often obsessed with their identity more than new experiences.
"The following is a conversation..." Why does that sound familiar? And then it occurred to me: Lex Fridman. In a way I feel like he made that expression into his own.
Absolutely amazing video/podcast! Loved the honesty and openness between you both, also the topics which you discussed. Found this video super relatable and helpful. Thank you to you both! 👍🏽💯 Ps loved the hilarious bloopers found myself laughing my head off 😂
Welcome to Sweden! Discussing loneliness here is both bold and completely natural. We are raised to be individuals here, like islands. To walk away from loneliness despite it being ever-present. I think there are many conversations to be had about the mentality of scandinavians. I often touch on these topics with my international friends and there are both similarities and big differences in the way we were raised. I'll leave you with a quote from a famous swedish author, Hjalmar Söderberg (from the book/play Doctor Glas), maybe you've come accross it before: “People want to be loved; failing that admired; failing that feared; failing that hated and despised. They want to evoke some sort of sentiment. The soul shudders before oblivion and seeks connection at any price.” Enjoy your stay! I can recommend Uppsala if you ever get sick of Stockholm.
Something about them being different make them seem like they could be perfect for each other as friends i feel like they can help each other in the places where they are lacking
This was a great conversation since I believe that a lot of 20-30yr olds genuinely feel this way. But also hearing this out loud, makes it sound incredibly self centered and first world problems at a level. Yes we are looking for “growth” but it sounds like two people who have the luxury of doing exactly what they want and feeling bad about not having deep friendships while at the same time outgrowing people who are not as “curious” or have the lust for life as they claim to have. I would have liked if that was acknowledged. Because I think this is purely a rich millennial problem. Woe is me I get to travel and do exactly what I want and I don’t have what I think is meaningful connection because I get bored with people. I don’t think meaningful connection can be achieved if we keep outgrowing people. Although this is true in cases where interests diverge, I think it should be emphasized that it’s important to sometimes just be friends with people for the joy of watching them become something else. Everyone doesnt have to be evaluated through the lens of how can they contribute to my growth or how I can benefit them. One of the great joys of friendship is to just exist in company with no agenda. And you may outgrow them for a time and then reconnect back with a new vigor. And I think that’s how deep friendships are actually formed over many years.
This conversation reminds me of YJHD's Bunny and Naina. Nathan and Lana's personalities align so well with the movie's characters! For context, it's one of them evergreen Bollywood movies that one can watch a 100 times and not get bored! They should def watch it
It's hard to make friends as an adult. I have this issue well into my mid 30s. All I have is my partner which is nice but it still leaves something to be desired in my life. We all need an active social life.
Yeah loneliness is a very tricky feeling, i found the exploration of it here fascinating. I think, however, it's possible to shift your focus from the feeling into being appreciative of what you have/your surroundings. Focus on your passion and it could be a good idea to find either local groups or online groups of people interested in the same thing to build some deeper connections, because it's the deeper ones that will satisfy the desire for connection.
Que gran colaboración! Los sigo hace algún tiempo tiempo. Disfruté mucho de la conversación 😁 What a great collaboration! I been following you guys for some time now. Thank you so much, I was so enjoyable and engaging😊 Saluditos desde Colombia💛💙❤ Greetings from Colombia
This discussion was a revelation in so many ways for me, an only child. It fitted over many years my formulated outlook towards a long life, with few regrets. The interaction shared between you both on topic magic, take care both of you, stay in touch 'Kia Kaha" 🙂 NZ
hmmm 🤔 i feel like their two sides are actually two sides of the same coin. Nathaniel seems to be confronted with something unsettling (in his inner world) when he isn‘t stimulated. Lana seems to be confronted with herself when she is being stimulated. the coin is about confronting the unsettling parts of ourselfs.
this is very true, im not sure why you haven’t got more likes! i think different situations makes each persons vulnerability to be exposed to themselves, so it’s about finding what situations do that, and then doing those things more
Guys please learn the difference between closed questions and open questions. I was getting annoyed how both of you were asking so many closed questions although the topic itself is so interesting and resonates with all young people
I think you’d really enjoy a book “Flow” by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi. You’re talking about a lot of things in this conversation that he is touching upon already in first chapters. For example: the difference between pleasure and enjoyment and why enjoyment makes us feel happier.
Guys you are very young, just chill. Listen to Ester Perel about in-depth stuff. Don't get indoctrinated and pressured by society and what society asks of us to do. Definitely, the life truth is that you can only have 1 to max 3 best friends, large groups are good time friends and not necessarily people who will dig deep with you when things really get thought. There is no longer a feeling then when you are surrounded by the wrong people or in the wrong relationship. Stay true to yourself and always listen to your heart, be on your own journey and try not to hurt others along the way.
I didn't want to be intrusive, but I think they should definitely date. I mean there's chemestry, also they described each other when they were talking about what they're looking for in a romantic partner. C'man they should give it a shot.
He’s clearly in love with her, I’ll never understand why people don’t express how they feel about others or keep it hidden and secret if so. Regardless I hope they fall in love and get together lol
I didn't want to be intrusive, but I think they should definitely date. I mean there's chemestry, also they described each other when they were talking about what they're looking for in a romantic partner. C'man they should give it a shot.
They talk both so openly about loneliness but don’t even mention or ask or inquire if they’re helping alleviate that loneliness, If they want to be friends, if what they’re doing in that very moment is how they address loneliness and explore it more..?
their differences are very puntual with their mbti types. The need/want for spontaneity that Nathaniel portrays I believe has a lot to do with the I(NF)J vs Lana I(ST)J
Yes, loneliness is difficult when you're older and haven't confronted and acknowledged it when younger. When you have failing health and in a nursing home is not the time you want to process those feelings for the first time. I used to work at a nursing home. Many people had kids, grandkids and friends but who would visit them only once every 2 weeks to once a month. Many struggled to make friends with other residents but would say they felt lonely because of lack of true connection. The only true happiness we can have is within ourselves and we all need to cultivate that from an early age.
This is the first time I've seen a kind of podcast where it isn't a one-sided interview, but rather an actual conversation between two people who have chemistry. I like it.
There was no chemistry
This is so incredibly relevant to me right now. I'm 25, moved to a new country where I don't have any friends, I don't yet speak the language, and I'm doing my PhD in a lab where my experience is a bit different from what the main research topics at hand are. I definitely feel distant from everyone and everything right now. Thanks for this!
Lol I think you also basically described my current experience now. 26, moved to a new country, a little bit of friends, still learning the language, and just started my PhD. Keep going my friend and find the nicest things you currently have and cherish them and don’t focus on what you don’t have and can’t control.
Wow. Same here. 23. Moved to a new country, doing my masters, learning the language. Don’t have friends in lab, but spent whole my days in there. Guys thank you. You made me feel like I am not alone. Wish you all the best🤍
@@christiana.1204 thank you! And you, too! PhDs are a tough experience, but it'll be worth it in the end!
@@saodat4844 look at us, pursuing the pinnacle of education, doing research, and trying our best to fight off our loneliness. Thank you as well! Keep your head up!
i think we should do a group of somesort
You two are so incredibly different and at the same time you complement each other in such a beautiful way. Both of you are good listeners, very well spoken. Listening to you is like a therapy session for those who cannot articulate their own mind in proper words. Thank you for sharing such an amazing content.
Nathaniel, for you, at this point it seems that traveling constantly (and especially during winter) is already your default comfort zone. I think staying more in, enduring the bad weather, maintaining and nourishing connections and not escaping to make "new fun memories" would be the "out of your comfort zone" experience nowadays! I would be interested in knowing what you'd learn from that!! 😊 (or I'm just projecting my own experience 😂)
haha, I think you have a good point about that, Nathaniel is always changing and doing stuff, kinda like me, in a way, he's like living my dream life, because I always had to move, but yeah, sometimes staying is a challenge.
I've been a fan of Lana for years now and she's always relatable to my lifestyle dealing with loneliness! She's just an inspiration ♥
I’m not in my 20s anymore but I know that when it comes to loneliness, one of the main issues is admitting it because it comes with some shame and then, there’s the taking initiative to figure out ways out of the loneliness. There’s nothing wrong with being on your own but we all need each other. There are definitely different types of loneliness and we have to be willing to figure out how do you address the type of loneliness that you have. It takes vulnerability, a willingness to do something about it and patience because you might not always get it right. But keep trying to pursue ways out of loneliness to get to your joy and connecting with like-minds 🤗
It makes sense ❤
I feel like anybody who’s ever watched your vids prob also watches Lana, and vice versa lol. Inevitable collab!
Edit: This is pretty much one of the best “podcasts” or discussions I’ve ever listened to, it’s so timely with where I am in my life right now, on the subject of loneliness, i find myself yearning for more of these types of conversations in life, so ironically it made me feel lonely too, lol. But as I get older and more aware, I think part of life is embracing the highs and lows as they come, and try to just find peace in the middle. I think if we live the right way, we aren’t perpetually always lonely or happy. Both feelings are so fleeting, we want one to end and the other to last forever, but that could never be the case, so I’m trying to embrace both and try find peace being in the middle
Loved this conversation. I think that yes loneliness can be an idea in our head, but it is also a biological mechanism that's naturally installed in us, much like hunger and thirst. It is a way for our body to tell us that we need to go get more of XYZ thing, or else the system is going to fail. So I try to use the feeling of loneliness as motivation to take action.
Nathaniel, when you talk about needing more stimulus, going outside of your comfort zone constantly, not being able to be at ease with downtime but at ease with going across the world, getting bored often- it just reminds me of myself and others who have ADHD. I’m not sure if you’ve ever been told that you may have it or were already tested for it, but the feelings you’ve been describing in this episode are what a lot of ADHDers share. As we lack dopamine and have poor executive function due to our brains being built differently, we crave exciting adventures or anything that gets us stimulated. It’s painful for us to relax because it requires us to sit in our racing minds that won’t shut up while it’s not even a struggle for neurotypicals (granted they’re not stressed) to relax. I’ve been watching your videos for awhile, and I’m not sure you’ll even read this, but I thought I’d just share my input in case you do and this potential discovery helps you on your journey. Whether or not you choose to identify with having ADHD, these struggles and feelings you describe are valid, and I think it’s okay to follow your path of extremes and many lifestyle changes if that’s how you operate best. Everyone’s unique at the end of the day and as long as we are accepting of ourselves and others in our differences, life truly becomes a beautiful thing to explore and be content with.
Agree!! I'm older now and my ADHD that I had growing up has definitely chilled. But, reading your take on Nathan's need for stimuli and constant adventure describes me perfectly all through my 20's & 30's. It's just now in my 40's that I can 100% relax and feel grateful for my past adventures while appreciating the contentment in my solitude. But, everything in moderation. I've found the perfect balance is accomplishing at least 1-2 goals per day (beyond the everyday stuff, like work, cleaning, ect) so that if I choose to reward myself by relaxing and not trying to take on too much I no longer feel the guilt that often comes with that.
It's funny, as someone older now, my first instinct in listening to you and Lana (I subscribed to her channel yrs ago & find her to be an elegant, beautiful old soul) is "what can I learn from these two people about life at that young age"...but I'm glad I watched because you offer a great perspective to any age group. And, loneliness, boredom, finding balance doesn't discriminate - we all feel it at any age. It's comforting to know this and have it be so relatable.
"Be happy for this moment, this moment is your life." -
Omar Khayyam
Damn the chemistry between you two though ✨✨ couldn’t help but smile watching it. Also loved this thought provoking convo
Lol there's no chemistry
The setting of this interview is so lovely and calm
man, a duo I never knew I needed! just two incredible conversationalists
Nathaniel Drew, that recurring loneliness you feel, I have that as well-- no matter how many friends/activities I'm surrounded by. I really enjoyed both of your thoughts here and your vulnerability throughout this episode. This conversation has felt oddly validating, these are discussions I haven't had mirrored through others and its nice to hear that we are not 'alone' in these thoughts. I haven't figured out where my recurring loneliness stems from, but perhaps its a somewhat natural part of our existence, perhaps its the meaning we tie to it that can make it painful... thanks for these rich videos!
Omg Lana and Nathaniel
dreams come true I guess
Cause two thing I wanted to see on this channel: Pick up lime with Nathaniel and Lana with Nathaniel
Thank you so much, can't wait for my shift to end and start watching it 😍
Could’ve listened to this for hours! Loneliness, what an interesting topic and what an interesting conversation this was! As always, Nathaniel is so open with sharing his experiences and feelings with us. That in-depth honesty is a gift to us listeners! Lana, thank you for being so insightful and asking great questions. The openness of these kinds of conversations reassures me about my own existential questions. Thank you 🙏
This was an unexpected podcast, when I say the thumbnail, I was like WHAT?; and frankly both of you delivered an amazing storytelling, we can all be inspired by, keep on the great work!
I must say you two are like the female and male versions of the 1 same person/soul/mind , two puzzles that fits perfectly 😊 Don't miss or waste that...
lol might as well tell them to get together already xD
I understand wanting to have someone there at certain times and have explored why I feel that way. I thought back to when I traveled to Australia with my boyfriend at the time. A little bit after that trip, we went through pictures. He brought up things that I totally forgot about and I brought up things he forgot about. Those resurfaced and sparked many more good memories from that trip. Memories comprise much of the happiness we get from life and being with someone provides a witness to our own lives and we see how we affect their lives. On a deeper level, that gives us a feeling of satisfaction, accomplishment and purpose.
We can have those memories for ourselves and still conjure up these feelings but maybe the fear might be in forgetting those memories when we're not sharing them with someone else.
C'est vraiment nice d'entendre vos deux perceptions sur le sujet de la solitude, je préfère de loin un podcast de style conversation qu'une entrevue one sided! 🥰💯 Merci à vous deux
Wow, my gosh this was an incredible conversation talking about so many of the feelings and thoughts that come up for me regularly... particularly about being comfortable and content where you are, vs being uncomfortable in having new experiences as the fuel for growth. So many insights so thanks for sharing!
Beautiful podcast, per usual! What you said Nathaniel on that desire to know what love is romantically really resonated. I think also it is this strong desire to share love.
This conversation could go on for another few hours, easy. I enjoyed it very much.
The point you mention about how in doing one thing and living in the present, the one thing becomes everything is so profound to me. I feel that I am constantly trying to do 500 things at once in the pursuit of having everything. But lately, I've been realizing it's okay to feel fulfilled by one thing for the time being. I can move to something else if I want to later. I don't have to put pressure on myself to do everything all at once and your discussion of this really solidified this realization for me. so thank you!
I have suffered with this too. Recommend reading the book Stillness is the Key from Ryan Holliday ♥
Love this conversation I wish I was there to join you! I enjoy both creators separately, so delighted to watch you two together 🙌🏾🙌🏾
omg i've never heard anyone articulated exactly how i feel about having no romance like you did Nathaniel! I complety understand this impatient about expericing more, that was really refreshing to hear it!
I reeeeeally resonate with what Nat has said: "I love squeezing juice out of life and I feel the urgency has led me to make deeper connections but on the flip side that type of urgency can sometimes take me out of the moment."
Great episode Nathan, I have to say the shot is so beautiful, like the light and the greens in the background
I'd love to see an interview on how to deal with loneliness in your 40s and 50s. There are a surprisingly large number of Gen xers that could use some suggestions and a voice :)
Yep, I'm one of them. Hope you're doing okay if you're lonely.
amazing conversation!!!! loved listening to this
Amazing conversation, I really like the natural flow of the talk and how it is more of an exploration and self reflection. I had a question for you, while listening to you guys, i felt like it opened up a layer within me too! and the question came up for me was, what if i for a few moments remove the mind from trying to understand what this loneliness is, but instead just explore it from not a mental perspective, or trying to figure out perspective, it becomes goes so much more deeper, and becomes such a deep observation within myself... amazing, have always loved the episodes!!!
Amazing conversation, Has to be the best episode so far.
I am really enjoying this format of podcasting and I Love Lana, so happy to see you both collabing. I wish I could be there to add my thoughts and experiences as a 35 yr old who is currently re-experiencing some of this. I can relate to Nate as well as Lana. Honestly I have learned so much from needing what Nate is looking for but instead of him on the constant move, I have dived deeper into myself through learning more about myself through things like Astrology. I have been studying it on my own leisure and I can't help to be curious what Nate and Lana's natal charts are because I think if Nate reached out to a great Astrologer, he could find some answers. It could be very validating to learn from it. Also I mean sometimes the deeper core part of what drives someone to accomplish more and more is the feeling if not feeling enough. it's like a double sided coin both beautiful to have that ability and desire to accomplish great things but also maybe slowing down enough to not identify as a accomplishing making machine. Diving deeper into our subconscious fears is a journey and very courageous thing to do as well. just a different way to be a seeker, a traveler, a courageous and hard working person or whatever. Great episode! I needed to hear this today!
This episode is so amazing and filled with different and interesting perspectives. I really liked it 👍🏼
I have friendship loneliness. I love my boyfriend but because I'm still new to the country I'm in I can't just go hangout with friends it's been a little more difficult to keep in touch and to make friends. You have to be very intentional with keeping friends because for me at least it easy to forget them until I need them. Which is honestly a little selfish.
I love both of you immensely.
I think as a society we're told to learn how to be alone and be with ourselves. When actually i think what we need is to embrace our need of other people.
I don't know how you do it but every time I'm struggling with a topic. You make a video about it, so thank you
Omg same same. We are in the same page then!
SAME
I relate so much with urgency feeling and the need to be productive or maybe doing something interesting ,so I can call it a good day...and I know it's not a good thing for me that kind of thinking. When I ask myself why I'm feeling this urgent like I must do this things,I think it's driven by not feeling good enough,deep down, maybe..so I can prove myself to me and maybe to others as well that I'm doing something worthy.
this conversation reflects the internal struggle that i currently have xD i have two parts in me that they represent perfectly 😂 one that doesn‘t want to just stay home and the other that just wants to stay in that comfort it feels so contradicting 😆
Such a sweet convo this was ❤ also the bloopers at the end 😂
This is such a great episode!
This was lovely to watch, just a conversation between friends.
It was so nice to see her much more playful side with those bloopers. While this episode was certainly enjoyable. The ending makes me think that a more light hearted and laughter filled episode with her would also be really entertaining and fun. She was essentially in therapist mode the whole time and then completely herself, full of joy and relaxed during the bloopers. It was all great to see. I hope you have her on a lot more. She has a very soft and pleasant voice ✨
Love is so powerful
That is really the best podcast and RUclips channel out there!! Soooo soo much love for you ❤️❤️
Never seen Lana before but I love her insights! So interesting to see somebody so content with where she is in life when she has so much opportunity. I’m definitely more like Nathan in that I am always craving adventure and want to live every life and every possibility 😅 it’s pretty stressful for me to want to live in every country and learn every language and try every hobby 😂
Same 😂
@@bellasheehan it’s rough honestly 😅
Regarding crashing on someone's home... I've been hosting people from all over the world here in Edinburgh, Scotland on Couchsurfing and now only BeWelcome and Trust Roots. The Couchsurfing community is amazing and I love meeting people, connecting and having great chats and a good time together. It's great to stay with Locals, to get to know a city/location with the eyes of someone who lives there, explore the town together, and you always have a place to stay in case you want to visit their country.
when i listen to you i often think you should have studied psychology or philospphie or sociology. i did studie sociology and it really helped me structure my thoughts onto theories,draw connections and conclusions and i met a lot of interesting people. you are a euopean citizen now, maybe you try going to uni one day. in germany there are also programs for "older" scholars
this collab is what my dreams were made of
Nathaniel = Enneagram 7w6 (the Pathfinder); Lana = Enneagram 5w4 (the Philosopher). Makes perfect sense!
He seems more like a 4w5 to me though, it’s also on the personality website
@@MsGuitars666 Just a guess based on my observations! The fact that he likes to move frequently and try many different cultures and places says he's more of an Enthusiast (7) than an Individualist, (4) who are often obsessed with their identity more than new experiences.
what is their sociotype/MBTI though (very interesting point about the enneagram angle)
@@cmccoy793 Hi! My guess is that they are both INFJs!
"The following is a conversation..." Why does that sound familiar? And then it occurred to me: Lex Fridman. In a way I feel like he made that expression into his own.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. I realised that I relate so much, this put some of my thoughts into words like I couldn't.
Absolutely amazing video/podcast! Loved the honesty and openness between you both, also the topics which you discussed. Found this video super relatable and helpful. Thank you to you both! 👍🏽💯
Ps loved the hilarious bloopers found myself laughing my head off 😂
Welcome to Sweden! Discussing loneliness here is both bold and completely natural. We are raised to be individuals here, like islands. To walk away from loneliness despite it being ever-present. I think there are many conversations to be had about the mentality of scandinavians. I often touch on these topics with my international friends and there are both similarities and big differences in the way we were raised. I'll leave you with a quote from a famous swedish author, Hjalmar Söderberg (from the book/play Doctor Glas), maybe you've come accross it before:
“People want to be loved; failing that admired; failing that feared; failing that hated and despised. They want to evoke some sort of sentiment. The soul shudders before oblivion and seeks connection at any price.”
Enjoy your stay! I can recommend Uppsala if you ever get sick of Stockholm.
Something about them being different make them seem like they could be perfect for each other as friends i feel like they can help each other in the places where they are lacking
such a deep and interesting conversation, thank you!
I liked the bloopers 😂
you're so nice, guys) thanks for your thoughts, they was really valuable for me
really insightful episode!!
This was a great conversation since I believe that a lot of 20-30yr olds genuinely feel this way. But also hearing this out loud, makes it sound incredibly self centered and first world problems at a level. Yes we are looking for “growth” but it sounds like two people who have the luxury of doing exactly what they want and feeling bad about not having deep friendships while at the same time outgrowing people who are not as “curious” or have the lust for life as they claim to have. I would have liked if that was acknowledged. Because I think this is purely a rich millennial problem. Woe is me I get to travel and do exactly what I want and I don’t have what I think is meaningful connection because I get bored with people. I don’t think meaningful connection can be achieved if we keep outgrowing people. Although this is true in cases where interests diverge, I think it should be emphasized that it’s important to sometimes just be friends with people for the joy of watching them become something else. Everyone doesnt have to be evaluated through the lens of how can they contribute to my growth or how I can benefit them. One of the great joys of friendship is to just exist in company with no agenda. And you may outgrow them for a time and then reconnect back with a new vigor. And I think that’s how deep friendships are actually formed over many years.
your conversation describes everything i feel at the moment especially since Im in my early 20s
You guys arw typical representitve of masculine and feminine energy, that we all need to balance inside. Beuatiful. Thank you. ❤
This conversation reminds me of YJHD's Bunny and Naina. Nathan and Lana's personalities align so well with the movie's characters! For context, it's one of them evergreen Bollywood movies that one can watch a 100 times and not get bored! They should def watch it
It's hard to make friends as an adult. I have this issue well into my mid 30s. All I have is my partner which is nice but it still leaves something to be desired in my life. We all need an active social life.
Wow, I've never come across someone who shares so many similar thoughts and views on life with me as you do.
Thanks so much for talking about this!
I do love so much this channel
Yeah loneliness is a very tricky feeling, i found the exploration of it here fascinating. I think, however, it's possible to shift your focus from the feeling into being appreciative of what you have/your surroundings. Focus on your passion and it could be a good idea to find either local groups or online groups of people interested in the same thing to build some deeper connections, because it's the deeper ones that will satisfy the desire for connection.
Loved it so much.❤
I am 23 years old and a shut-in or isolated person, meaning I don't have any friends or romantic. I am trying to work myself to completeness
Good on you
Que gran colaboración! Los sigo hace algún tiempo tiempo. Disfruté mucho de la conversación 😁
What a great collaboration! I been following you guys for some time now. Thank you so much, I was so enjoyable and engaging😊
Saluditos desde Colombia💛💙❤ Greetings from Colombia
Lana is straight up beautiful in all aspects to me.
they seem great for one another, who wouldn’t want to have these convos with a partner?
Watched both conversations. These two would be a great couple
Been watching both for years … and I even remember thinking “man if they met “ 😏
Thinking ab how efficient they would be as a couple. I ship it
Loved this episode!
Dude: " I came to Sweden...Lane: Can barely hide her smile.
This discussion was a revelation in so many ways for me, an only child. It fitted over many years my formulated outlook towards a long life, with few regrets. The interaction shared between you both on topic magic, take care both of you, stay in touch 'Kia Kaha" 🙂 NZ
Can we have more of you guys together? 😍
awesomeeee!!!!
hmmm 🤔 i feel like their two sides are actually two sides of the same coin.
Nathaniel seems to be confronted with something unsettling (in his inner world) when he isn‘t stimulated.
Lana seems to be confronted with herself when she is being stimulated.
the coin is about confronting the unsettling parts of ourselfs.
this is very true, im not sure why you haven’t got more likes! i think different situations makes each persons vulnerability to be exposed to themselves, so it’s about finding what situations do that, and then doing those things more
Guys please learn the difference between closed questions and open questions. I was getting annoyed how both of you were asking so many closed questions although the topic itself is so interesting and resonates with all young people
Get Benjamin McEvoy on this podcast and have him talk about literally anything
I think you’d really enjoy a book “Flow” by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi. You’re talking about a lot of things in this conversation that he is touching upon already in first chapters. For example: the difference between pleasure and enjoyment and why enjoyment makes us feel happier.
This seemed like a very typical conversation between an ENFP (Nathan) and INFJ (Lana). Did you guys take the test? 😅
Yeah Nathanial tested as INFJ and lana as ISTJ
the tests aren’t consistent and assess your current temperament more so than your personality, i think
Guys you are very young, just chill. Listen to Ester Perel about in-depth stuff. Don't get indoctrinated and pressured by society and what society asks of us to do. Definitely, the life truth is that you can only have 1 to max 3 best friends, large groups are good time friends and not necessarily people who will dig deep with you when things really get thought. There is no longer a feeling then when you are surrounded by the wrong people or in the wrong relationship. Stay true to yourself and always listen to your heart, be on your own journey and try not to hurt others along the way.
I didn't want to be intrusive, but I think they should definitely date. I mean there's chemestry, also they described each other when they were talking about what they're looking for in a romantic partner. C'man they should give it a shot.
He’s clearly in love with her, I’ll never understand why people don’t express how they feel about others or keep it hidden and secret if so. Regardless I hope they fall in love and get together lol
I didn't want to be intrusive, but I think they should definitely date. I mean there's chemestry, also they described each other when they were talking about what they're looking for in a romantic partner. C'man they should give it a shot.
You ⚁ look good together! 🤭
Did you buy some sony cameras for your podcast?
Good chat but get mic stands. Holding them affects your seated posture and ability to use your hands.
Please interview Hitomi Mochizuki
what drives this? - desire to feel more?
52:10❤
there is chemistry between you two 😏 great episode
No, there's isn't
25:30❤
I'm just like her..
I wish we were friends 😅
They talk both so openly about loneliness but don’t even mention or ask or inquire if they’re helping alleviate that loneliness, If they want to be friends, if what they’re doing in that very moment is how they address loneliness and explore it more..?
their differences are very puntual with their mbti types. The need/want for spontaneity that Nathaniel portrays I believe has a lot to do with the I(NF)J vs Lana I(ST)J
Work it out now folks as loneliness in your old age is a killer.
Yes, loneliness is difficult when you're older and haven't confronted and acknowledged it when younger. When you have failing health and in a nursing home is not the time you want to process those feelings for the first time.
I used to work at a nursing home. Many people had kids, grandkids and friends but who would visit them only once every 2 weeks to once a month.
Many struggled to make friends with other residents but would say they felt lonely because of lack of true connection.
The only true happiness we can have is within ourselves and we all need to cultivate that from an early age.