What I find hilarious is despite looking like the 1960s, this whole episode was actually set in the "Then Future" of 1986. I see Moffat tried to update the stage so it looks a wee bit passable in that regard compared to the original episode with the set design.
@@beesree39 although of course William Hartnell is dead now, they did make him look older than he was (in his 50s) for the original series. The hair was a wig too.
@@alexlazebat839 'have bothered'. Probably not. But then Dr Who would almost certainly not have gone on for many more years. It was the ability to change the lead actor every few years that has kept the programme fresh and changing with the times.
@@alexlazebat839 William Hartnell wasn't in good condition, he was sick and hard to deal with on the set. One of the writers or producers came up with the idea that they could change the actor, which is what they did. I think the series would have continues if Hartnell was in good condition, maybe not. They may have still come up with that idea, nevertheless.
I'm glad we hear Michael Craze saying "Hey, come on Doctor, wakey wakey! It's all over now.". The guy playing Ben here didn't seem to put much enthusiasm into it.
I think the change in performance fits because the mood is different than in the serial. It would have been a little weird if he yelled it in the remake. Wouldn't have fit well in this version, which is shot more like the new series.
I think cutting these scenes from Twice Upon a Time was a mistake, if nothing else it would’ve helped set up the 1st Doctor’s story quite well. Especially for those (like me) who don’t know the story of Tenth Planet
At the end of Tenth Planet, Ben and Polly release the Doctor from the cell. He gives the "Far from all over" line and then leaves to head back to the Tardis. B&P follow and find the Doctor in the Tardis preparing to regenerate. What casual viewers may not realise is that TUAT takes place during the Doctor's short walk back to theTardis. Also, at the end of TUAT, I think 12 should have dropped a hint to 1 advising him to rummage through the chest for the piece of Dalekanium. As it is, 1 regens into 2 who then grabs the Dalekanium piece seemingly at random.
with the dalekanium bit, I wouldn't be surprised if Moffat never knew much about 2's first episode given that at the time it was still a lost episode without an adaptation, with pieces of film and purely audio to lead on the story. Woulda been cool though.
@@barple367from what I’ve heard from cast members, moffat has apparently memorized the exact timestamp at which every surviving still from missing episodes were taken, he knows them well.
God, that brought me out in goosebumps. The line: "This old body of mine seems to be wearing a bit thin", will do that every time. And damn, those Mondasian Cybermen are still as creepy as all hell. I saw them when I was three, in 1966 - my parents watched Doctor Who - and they scared the bejeezus out of me for years. There was a comic I had as a kid, called 'TV Comic' which ran a Doctor Who strip. The only Cybermen they used were the Mondasians. If I saw one in the comic, my mum would have to cut the pictures of them out, as they scared me so much. When I was a lot older, I was given a copy of the Target novelisation of 'The Tenth Planet' as a gift. Even then, the superb Chris Achilleos (RIP) cover gave me a brief frisson of fear. No other Cyberman ever bothered me. These were just so very, very creepy.
@@chuckwilliams3003 The brilliant Reece Shearsmith, cofounder of The League of Gentlemen and half of Inside No 9. I’ve always wanted to see him take a crack at the lead role.
Can’t believe we got an hour long special and these scenes STILL got cut. Would have much preferred these than the 4 times they repeat the “lol 1st doc is a bit sexist and racist lol” joke over and over
Yeah I feel like that choice kind of steps on Hartnell's legacy a bit, yeah the first doctor's character was cold and arrogant, but he was never discriminatory
True, but if you want to cut out all the stuff TUAT got wrong and edit in the Tenth Planet stuff, just watch the Tenth Planet. It's a better story in every way.
I love how they kept the aesthetic of Snowcap Base, yet also made it actually looksonewhat more futuristic than the original cinematography or set materials could manage.
That's a piece of beauty! 😍💕💕Honestly, it's good to be able watch at least saved cut scenes by themselves if not in the series. And, oh God, Mondasian Cybermen are perfect here. 🥰
If they had included the scene i do hope the effects would have been updated. This more or less played like somebody was standing next to the set recording everything and just quickly slapped some effects on it.
Ben & Polly are leaning over the First Doctor during his regeneration yet in Twice Upon A Time he is on his own during his change.It's a shame,but the inconsistancy is there and hard to ignore.
Brian Smith we saw the scene from the doctor’s point of view. We never see that Ben and Polly don’t enter the TARDIS, and they do. We just don’t see them as the Doctor is unconscious and regenerating.
Different Doctor's but a wonderful callback. I just wish John Hurt had been doing this episode with David Bradley. He died too early to have filmed it even if he had replaced Peter Capaldi but if Hurt was the man whispering "Doctor, I let you go" in that gravelly, tired voice it would have been magical.
Honestly when they first showed how the new regeneration looked at the end of series 1 when 9 became 10 it looked like nothing they had done before it. I always thought to explain the new more powerful look of the regen. I thought well Rose absorbed energy from the TARDIS and became the Bad Wolf entity. 9 absorbed all that from Rose saving her at the cost of his 9th form. I always thought that they should explain that due to the Doctor himself absorbing g direct energy from the TARDIS. Something even he never did before. Regenerations have been shown in many diffrent ways. But to retcon older generations to show that same gold energy just doesant make sense if shown on past doctors. Same with River Song regenerating. I think one of the most interesting to watch is 7 into 8 in the TV movie. They used a bit of 90s spx. Simular to that used in Willow. The morphing effect.
@@arcadeassassin7176You do have a point. Then again that SMG did stick around for years so makes sense for a base in the back and beyond to not have the latest kit.
It’s because they used the design seen in world enough and time as well as the Doctor falls which is probably why this scene was cut because of the inaccuracies
I need to double check, but there was plans for the cybermen in the Tenth Planet to have gloves but they ran out of budget. The gloves also were used to hide the fact Bill had been converted. This a recreation, which is not going to be 100% accurate to the source material. I think they did quite well here in my opinion
It’s was actually the actor William Hartnell who passed out on set during the third part of the Tenth Planet due to his poor health in the original version back in 1966.
These scenes are awesome, but I can see why they were cut. They don’t really add anything that’s relevant to Twice Upon a Time’s story, and everyone’s seen these scenes already in The Tenth Planet anyway.
First doctor looks good Polly is not really amazing and Ben is mediocre but I think this is really good and plus I just think they could do it the animation is ok and I do agree it is a cheaper way but I would love a series and the 2cd doctor in an Adventure in Space and time look ok not really the part but it is really hard to find actors that look like the originals
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I’m glad these scenes got cut because the contrast in action and dialogue ‘then’ and ‘now’ made the show look laughable and that would be the last thing they want to achieve!
David Bradley neither looks like Hartnell nor sounds like him. I cannot fathom why anyone thinks he does, other than that they have not seen much of Hartnell's run. Bradley's rendition is a poor parody imho.
Nice little scene but I do hate it when Murray gold used music from previous episodes that's what annoyed the shit out of me in the Russell t Davies era every episode should be unique with its own music
Writing enjoyable music takes time (outside of moments of inspiration), and getting the sound for an episode right (let alone a whole season) within the time constraints of film and tv production is a mountainous task, especially when all of the music is usually composed by just one or two people, and has to be both written, recorded, edited and mixed, several times before final mastering can be done. It's a ridiculously massive undertaking and these creatives don't get enough respect. Not to mention the fact that the way Gold utilised motiffs within the series was always very thoughtful and clever. Besides, TUAT definitely had some original compositions. Gold's hard work was always on full display, right up until the end.
To be honest I think I am the doctor is so overused I mean god I hate it ok not really but every second it is the same gosh darn thing it gave me a headache once
I don't think there was a black actor in the original of this particular scene but a black actor did play a prominent role as an astronaut earlier in Tenth planet
I’m glad they did this but why was it so sloppy and wrong. I mean Ben and Polly? Pollys wig was comical. You couldn’t find an actress and replica a hair style? Lazy! Then Ben. Didn’t sound like him, look like him, and was way too tall. I’m not being picky here, I just expect better for us fans. Then again look at the 50th anniversary. They brought nobody back. Cheap. Broke. Lazy. Not surprised. Stopped watching after Matt and haven’t watched since. End already.
That’s just arrogance, the 50th anniversary was a fantastically written episode which stressed and strained the people who put it together immensely. If things like Ben being to tall and polly not having a better wig in scenes that were literally cut drove you away from the show, then the community would be better off without you anyway
@@Zug8415 so I’m not allowed to have an opinion because you don’t agree? Are you a liberal or a teenager? Grow up. I certainly hope you don’t go through life attacking people who don’t share your opinions. Sad life.
I want Steven Moffat, this cast, and this production team to remake all the missing episodes with this level of quality and attention to detail.
This is a terrible idea
@@BooneBluemel how lol
@@noahfischbach6623 disrespectful of the original work when all the audio survives to animate
@@BooneBluemel the animations are quite frankly, in my opinion, pretty bad for what we could have.
@@barple367 you're wrong
Steven Moffat and the production team did such an amazing job recreating scenes from The Tenth Planet for Twice Upon A Time.
Agreed!
What I find hilarious is despite looking like the 1960s, this whole episode was actually set in the "Then Future" of 1986. I see Moffat tried to update the stage so it looks a wee bit passable in that regard compared to the original episode with the set design.
It's crazy how similar David Bradley looked to Hartnell in this episode.
Fr when I first watched it i was like "he's still alive? Did they make him look really old for the original series? Whatsjdbwjw"
@@beesree39 although of course William Hartnell is dead now, they did make him look older than he was (in his 50s) for the original series. The hair was a wig too.
@@peterweeks2066 but if William Hartnell was in full health would the series had continued would they of bothered to renew the actor
@@alexlazebat839 'have bothered'. Probably not. But then Dr Who would almost certainly not have gone on for many more years. It was the ability to change the lead actor every few years that has kept the programme fresh and changing with the times.
@@alexlazebat839 William Hartnell wasn't in good condition, he was sick and hard to deal with on the set. One of the writers or producers came up with the idea that they could change the actor, which is what they did. I think the series would have continues if Hartnell was in good condition, maybe not. They may have still come up with that idea, nevertheless.
I'm glad we hear Michael Craze saying "Hey, come on Doctor, wakey wakey! It's all over now.". The guy playing Ben here didn't seem to put much enthusiasm into it.
I didn't get the Ben vibe in that episode.
I think the change in performance fits because the mood is different than in the serial. It would have been a little weird if he yelled it in the remake. Wouldn't have fit well in this version, which is shot more like the new series.
Guess you're not crazy about him then
@@MichaelM28 How kind of you.
@@SuperCookie64 he isn't wrong. The guy (barely) playing Ben sucked.
I think cutting these scenes from Twice Upon a Time was a mistake, if nothing else it would’ve helped set up the 1st Doctor’s story quite well. Especially for those (like me) who don’t know the story of Tenth Planet
Agree completely and having the Mondasian Cybermen design from world Enough and Time is helpful.
It also gives context for how exactly the First Doctor got to the point he is in Twice Upon a Time
Also having this set built would’ve been the perfect opportunity to recreate the missing 10th planet finale
They were half and hour over the budget so there's a lot of stuff that ended up on the cutting room floor.
Special edition please
At the end of Tenth Planet, Ben and Polly release the Doctor from the cell. He gives the "Far from all over" line and then leaves to head back to the Tardis. B&P follow and find the Doctor in the Tardis preparing to regenerate. What casual viewers may not realise is that TUAT takes place during the Doctor's short walk back to theTardis.
Also, at the end of TUAT, I think 12 should have dropped a hint to 1 advising him to rummage through the chest for the piece of Dalekanium. As it is, 1 regens into 2 who then grabs the Dalekanium piece seemingly at random.
with the dalekanium bit, I wouldn't be surprised if Moffat never knew much about 2's first episode given that at the time it was still a lost episode without an adaptation, with pieces of film and purely audio to lead on the story. Woulda been cool though.
@@barple367 what is dalekanium
@@matteosignor4256 the armour surrounding the Dalek.
@@simonbirds7782 Thx how did i not know that damn
@@barple367from what I’ve heard from cast members, moffat has apparently memorized the exact timestamp at which every surviving still from missing episodes were taken, he knows them well.
God, that brought me out in goosebumps. The line:
"This old body of mine seems to be wearing a bit thin", will do that every time.
And damn, those Mondasian Cybermen are still as creepy as all hell. I saw them when I was three, in 1966 - my parents watched Doctor Who - and they scared the bejeezus out of me for years. There was a comic I had as a kid, called 'TV Comic' which ran a Doctor Who strip. The only Cybermen they used were the Mondasians. If I saw one in the comic, my mum would have to cut the pictures of them out, as they scared me so much.
When I was a lot older, I was given a copy of the Target novelisation of 'The Tenth Planet' as a gift. Even then, the superb Chris Achilleos (RIP) cover gave me a brief frisson of fear. No other Cyberman ever bothered me. These were just so very, very creepy.
I'm still baffled by how the stand in characters look almost nothing like their counterparts. Just like Troughton in Adventure in Space and Time.
That may well have made it easier for them to cut the bits for time. But it's not like we spend a lot of time with Ben and Polly.
The actor who played Troughton was just a friend of Mark Gatiss
@@chuckwilliams3003 The brilliant Reece Shearsmith, cofounder of The League of Gentlemen and half of Inside No 9. I’ve always wanted to see him take a crack at the lead role.
Except for David Bradley of course;
I think maybe Troughton's actor was a little too young
Ahh back in the day when the Cybermen would defeat their enemies via the dreaded Cyber Judo Chop!
Similar to the whack given by the cybernauts in The Avengers. (Steed and Mrs Peel, not the comic book ones)
Venusian aikido*
Almost as bad as the dreaded Dalek smoke-blower
Well done for adding Michael Craze’s original Dialogue.
They need to recreate Power of the Daleks like this and use deep fake footage to digitally add in Troughton’s face
I don't think that'll look that good. The animation looks really nice in my opinion.
Can’t believe we got an hour long special and these scenes STILL got cut. Would have much preferred these than the 4 times they repeat the “lol 1st doc is a bit sexist and racist lol” joke over and over
Yeah
I feel like that choice kind of steps on Hartnell's legacy a bit, yeah the first doctor's character was cold and arrogant, but he was never discriminatory
True, but if you want to cut out all the stuff TUAT got wrong and edit in the Tenth Planet stuff, just watch the Tenth Planet. It's a better story in every way.
@@justcuz2105 “This place is a madhouse, it’s all full of Arabs!”
-an actual line from the Feast of Steven
@@EditedAF987 1 line from 1 bad episode
@@pcb1175 the smacked bottom line was literally a callback to something thefirst doctor said on multiple occasions
No ones going to best Hartnell delivery "it's FAARR FROM BEING ALL OOVERR"
Like the DVD booklet says like a ghost from the future.
I still think the way those first Cybermen talked was the creepiest.
The Doctor Who episode titled Twice Upon A Time didn't deserve to have some scenes deleted.
totally agree
We need an extended version.
I love how they kept the aesthetic of Snowcap Base, yet also made it actually looksonewhat more futuristic than the original cinematography or set materials could manage.
I liked how they brought back my favourite song from Tennant era for this
Changing to color really gave the doctor a lot more teeth.
gotta love a proper Cyberman outfit and voice!
Why didn't they just remake the entire episode still amazes me to this day
Because it's perfect exactly the way it is now.
@@alekseyl172 you mean something that doesn't exist is perfect? Episode four is gone
@@NomisArchives
Not entirely. I would have animation with William Hartnell voice over David Bradly recast any day.
@@alekseyl172 we can have both then
@@alekseyl172 you fool, they could dub over Bradley’s voice with Hartnell’s! DUH
That's a piece of beauty! 😍💕💕Honestly, it's good to be able watch at least saved cut scenes by themselves if not in the series.
And, oh God, Mondasian Cybermen are perfect here. 🥰
I wish they did Episode 4 of The Tenth Planet with these actors. It would have been a slam dunk for a DVD release.
He was also great in the Strain and GOT
Back when the Cybermen bitch slapped their opponents.
If they had included the scene i do hope the effects would have been updated.
This more or less played like somebody was standing next to the set recording everything and just quickly slapped some effects on it.
David Bradley was also in Dinosaurs on a space ship.
these should have been on the DVD release.
Ben & Polly are leaning over the First Doctor during his regeneration yet in Twice Upon A Time he is on his own during his change.It's a shame,but the inconsistancy is there and hard to ignore.
Brian Smith we saw the scene from the doctor’s point of view. We never see that Ben and Polly don’t enter the TARDIS, and they do. We just don’t see them as the Doctor is unconscious and regenerating.
Where the hell did you get this?
I found it on Twice Upon a Time Blu-Ray.
The Reasonable Whovian And are there more cut scenes from this recreation?
ADarthTokuDalek That was it as far as I saw on it.
just realized the war doctor was quoting himself when he said "wearing a bit thin."
i wonder if Hartnell was Hurt's Doctor.
Different Doctor's but a wonderful callback. I just wish John Hurt had been doing this episode with David Bradley. He died too early to have filmed it even if he had replaced Peter Capaldi but if Hurt was the man whispering "Doctor, I let you go" in that gravelly, tired voice it would have been magical.
Twise upon the Time... EXTENDED EDITION
The way the deepfake of Hartnell fades into Bradley is so smooth.
There's no deepfake there, just a regular old morph. Stretch the features of one face to line up with the other while fading between them.
They made all this and they deleted it????😭
What's the song at 0:47? It sounds like a variation of The Face of Boe's theme.
Superb work.
Those wigs though
Richard Hurndall = generic grumpy old man
David Bradley = generic grumpy old man
Stephen Noonan = actually researched how Hartnell played the role
Honestly when they first showed how the new regeneration looked at the end of series 1 when 9 became 10 it looked like nothing they had done before it. I always thought to explain the new more powerful look of the regen. I thought well Rose absorbed energy from the TARDIS and became the Bad Wolf entity. 9 absorbed all that from Rose saving her at the cost of his 9th form. I always thought that they should explain that due to the Doctor himself absorbing g direct energy from the TARDIS. Something even he never did before. Regenerations have been shown in many diffrent ways. But to retcon older generations to show that same gold energy just doesant make sense if shown on past doctors. Same with River Song regenerating. I think one of the most interesting to watch is 7 into 8 in the TV movie. They used a bit of 90s spx. Simular to that used in Willow. The morphing effect.
In the original the guard had a Sterling sub machine gun. In this recreation they have used a WW2 vintage Sten Gun.
i would have given him a more 1980s era gun in keeping with the setting.
@@arcadeassassin7176 you realise this scene was made in the 60s?
@@bluephalanx the story was made in the 60s sure but it was set in the 80s and being a remake and all why not update some things.
@@arcadeassassin7176You do have a point. Then again that SMG did stick around for years so makes sense for a base in the back and beyond to not have the latest kit.
I think it would be great if they remade the missing episodes
David Bradley does not understand the first doctor
"mondus"
I do miss the Moffat era
Polly and the coffee...
why oh why is this scene cut all trouble sets etc
I think they should make some specials with this doctor
This would have been so much better if it was all left uncut and in its entirety
WHY DO THE CYBERMEN HAVE GLOVES IN THIS!? THEY DON'T HAVE GLOVES IN THR TENTH PLANET!
It’s because they used the design seen in world enough and time as well as the Doctor falls which is probably why this scene was cut because of the inaccuracies
I need to double check, but there was plans for the cybermen in the Tenth Planet to have gloves but they ran out of budget. The gloves also were used to hide the fact Bill had been converted. This a recreation, which is not going to be 100% accurate to the source material. I think they did quite well here in my opinion
Oh my god, shut up
@@Zug8415 ummmm I think people like you who tell everyone to shut up out of the blue are the ones who should shut up...
i thought the emotions part was in twice upon a time?
I don't remember the music being part of it though.
It’s was actually the actor William Hartnell who passed out on set during the third part of the Tenth Planet due to his poor health in the original version back in 1966.
Mmmmmh....... No?
He didn't pass out on set? He regenerated.
@@littleredruri He's partly correct, Hartnell fell ill before they recorded part 3 and they had to quickly write him out that episode.
@@harrypainter7472 oh ok that makes more sense
Was this deleted? I'm pretty sure it's in my version on DVD.
Classics
The really basic 1960s style effects are a nice touch.
Are these outtakes a feature on the DVD?
Wait, what is this from??? Where can I find it?
This was a deleted scene?
I saw this when they showed it in the theatre
Why the hell did they delete these scenes
These scenes are awesome, but I can see why they were cut. They don’t really add anything that’s relevant to Twice Upon a Time’s story, and everyone’s seen these scenes already in The Tenth Planet anyway.
Why can’t they make the episodes wthat were destroyed with him or unless they did know the story
Because they would look as awful as this does
Ur opinion but how is it terrible I think it’s clever all the strange strange creatures is a misuse
@@islasornacommunications9179 Because the actors look and sound nothing like the originals, and animations are a far cheaper way of doing it
First doctor looks good Polly is not really amazing and Ben is mediocre but I think this is really good and plus I just think they could do it the animation is ok and I do agree it is a cheaper way but I would love a series and the 2cd doctor in an Adventure in Space and time look ok not really the part but it is really hard to find actors that look like the originals
Omg Wiliam Hartnell had really bad teeth.
he really did. glad i wasnt the first to comment about it though. nothing against the guy but damn. those teeth.
HA! I see a Lear-Seigler ADM-3 in control room! (The computer at 0:12 and 0:42)
These scenes were filmed for the 'An Adventure in Space and Time' special.
Looks nothing like the original cast plus to much of a modern take on a classic Dr who shows.
How?
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I’m glad these scenes got cut because the contrast in action and dialogue ‘then’ and ‘now’ made the show look laughable and that would be the last thing they want to achieve!
Do a full ep plz
Arminius no, it would get taken down
The Reasonable Whovian upload it on daily motion
I'll see what i can do.
If the rendering takes too long and crashes sony vegas then it wont work.
The Reasonable Whovian thanks iTS GONNA BE EPIC
That whole set, for nothing
Is it just me or does the head laser look really stupid on the original cybermen?
It could've really improved such a meh episode
David Bradley neither looks like Hartnell nor sounds like him. I cannot fathom why anyone thinks he does, other than that they have not seen much of Hartnell's run. Bradley's rendition is a poor parody imho.
Nice little scene but I do hate it when Murray gold used music from previous episodes that's what annoyed the shit out of me in the Russell t Davies era every episode should be unique with its own music
Hm, I guess I can see your point, but this was Gold's last episode so.
Writing enjoyable music takes time (outside of moments of inspiration), and getting the sound for an episode right (let alone a whole season) within the time constraints of film and tv production is a mountainous task, especially when all of the music is usually composed by just one or two people, and has to be both written, recorded, edited and mixed, several times before final mastering can be done. It's a ridiculously massive undertaking and these creatives don't get enough respect. Not to mention the fact that the way Gold utilised motiffs within the series was always very thoughtful and clever. Besides, TUAT definitely had some original compositions. Gold's hard work was always on full display, right up until the end.
To be honest I think I am the doctor is so overused I mean god I hate it ok not really but every second it is the same gosh darn thing it gave me a headache once
Yh I do like the new composer hes music is varied and different
Nice grammar
Reboot the internet streaming videos
Wait, there was a black person in The Tenth Planet?
Yep. Reportedly, Hartnell got real funny about it
I don't think there was a black actor in the original of this particular scene but a black actor did play a prominent role as an astronaut earlier in Tenth planet
Wrong cybermem
Mr. Mills, Wrong?
How?
Harry Watson they should be the Tenth Planet Cybermen these are the World Enough And Time Cybermen.
True
I guess they didn’t want to create a new cyberman for a quick scene
Mr. Mills It’s black and white mate..
I’m glad they did this but why was it so sloppy and wrong. I mean Ben and Polly? Pollys wig was comical. You couldn’t find an actress and replica a hair style? Lazy! Then Ben. Didn’t sound like him, look like him, and was way too tall. I’m not being picky here, I just expect better for us fans. Then again look at the 50th anniversary. They brought nobody back. Cheap. Broke. Lazy. Not surprised. Stopped watching after Matt and haven’t watched since. End already.
That’s just arrogance, the 50th anniversary was a fantastically written episode which stressed and strained the people who put it together immensely. If things like Ben being to tall and polly not having a better wig in scenes that were literally cut drove you away from the show, then the community would be better off without you anyway
@@Zug8415 so I’m not allowed to have an opinion because you don’t agree? Are you a liberal or a teenager? Grow up. I certainly hope you don’t go through life attacking people who don’t share your opinions. Sad life.
Her dress is technically the wrong colour as well.
The whole episode should have been deleted. A massive embarrassment.
Sad that the only good part of this episode was their recreation of other people's writing.