the way they combine cc when whaaz wants to cc the kill target, then goes for a cc on the healer and his team mate extends the cc on kill target until whazz returns and then the enemy healer is getting chain cced, its so insane
I appreciate what your saying about rogue nerfs, that being said there is a reason they have been well represented in every pvp tourney pretty much ever. Skill ceiling is high to perform at this level but still, there kit for locking people down has always been insane.
Between 3:32 and 3:36 He had resto sha on focus at 3:32 and then switched the focus onto rogue as he swapped on sp Finally he shadow stepped on rogue and swtiched the focus back to resto How did he do that???Marco ??
You can bind arena focus 123 and change them in a split second if you are nimble enough with your keybinds. like control mouse scroll up+middle button+down = all 3 can be on focus and swap insntantly.
Whazz/Echo is crazy and the fact that only Echo is running sub is a testament to his skill, but subtlety's kit is too much. No class in the game can cause that much disruption and be able to do that much consistent damage with nutty burst while being almost totally protected from counterplay. The thing I noticed from today's matches was that Whazz was keeping up with Chan in damage.....as a sub rogue.....that is a major problem when you can run around at light speed stunning the entire team, do consistent 400k+ dps, have a personal pillar with either shadowy duel or smoke bomb and be nigh unkillable with multiple vanishes, evasion and cloak.
I've been saying it for a while now but it's class design + kit that's been driving the meta. Tuning basically means nothing when some specs/classes are just built for more competitive play (rogue/druid/lock/mage generally). Number tuning really only applies to certain melee specs that either murder you with pressure or they contribute nothing to the game (like dh/ret/warr/ww.)
sub damage is crap, it is normally around 60% of the others DPSs. Sub has an amazing kit, but it takes huge skills to pull it off and only the very best can do it. Even Pika shelved his rogue for Feral. Classes with very high skill ceiling is the way to go. I wished the increased ceiling for every class rather than butchered Sub
@@henrikv5410 I'll throw another one in there...Snutz. Gotta look at play and dps not just W/L. Trill's numbers are sick no matter what he plays. 2 of Zico's top plays of 2024 include Trill one of which...the smoke bomb play was CRAZY. It's one thing to drop a bomb on someone, another to place it the way he did not to keep the target in the bomb, but to keep the healer from reaching it. With all the shit going on, no way would many think to pull that off.
I respect the skill it takes and how much micro rogues make, but I hate the gameplay around CD's. It's a fundamental design advantage in PvP. For me though, it makes for very boring tournaments.
It makes me a little sad that the pacing of the game is so fast now that comms and coordination like this are seen as crazy and amazing. Not to say that any of these players are bad in any way, but you can go back to Reckfuls old videos from 11 years ago when he was vs'ing KFC comp in MoP and their comms and coordination was just as good if not better, but the game was slower paced and required longer setups before goes.
there's just too much CC, CDs are short, 99% of heals are instant, 99% of casters are instant now. I do kinda miss the days of juking and casting more :) But the games are much quicker. Games are much quicker though.
"You can't do things like this on a ww", Yeah i feel like we're just expansions behind on kit as ww. I used to feel like I had way more carry potential as a ww in SL for example, but so much less so in DF and again in TWW. I feel like rogues one of those classes that has been 1-2 expansions ahead on kit since TBC.
Dude u dont know what u talking about. Like WW Was just broken in SS. No skill required. Literally waiting for proc of dance of chi and oneshotting pple. Thats such a weak Argument that u bring to the table. Most of the players like you prob cry in wow Forums about classes. But u dont even know shit.
@@VICTUZLAYA If by "SS" you mean shuffle, you're mixing up expansions because dance procs didn't hit for any substantial amount of damage in DF... that was during SL. If by "SS" you meant SL, yeah you'd play around your minute go and try to 1shot someone. That was most specs in the game at the time, lots of cd stacking, setting up for 2-3 globals, then 1shotting someone.
So is there a specific reason as to why 99% of all content on RUclips that has to do with PvP is currently “commentary, guides, comp ranking, class ranking, solo, random bgs, blitz?” But only 1% with actual 3v3 arenas? I get that blizzard doesn’t know what they are doing and smurfing mmr, but you guys should just make alts and post 3v3 content, this is getting ridiculous
i'll preface by saying ya they're obviously good, this is top arena gameplay, but also what the fuck is the enemy doing? he fears the spriest to prevent swap, spriest trinkets to counter fear (literally 1400 gameplay) as if they have any offensive pressure, casts VT in chan's face while his rogue is deathmarked so he gets kicked for no swap game 2 how are you just letting whazz sit 3 ccs on ur sham, cover ur sp , then go rogue before any of those 3 players decide to hit a defensive button / cc whaaz .. every single dr.. like why do u have to wait to trinket fear or trinket cheap when u saw him setting this up 3 globals ago game 3 i mean just watch their cc. these are awc players.
ofc not , and a rogue cant do what a windwalker monk can do , i mean every class has its own thing at the end of the day i dont get it if people want what a rogue can do , then make a rogue pretty simple
as a looong time main rogue i cant stand current rogue playstyle, its not even old school "gooes" its some fortnite adderal shit to play around the garbage changes blizz did to drs and cc durations. so i rerolled warrior and having a blast, i press mortal strike overpower and i blast, FeelsOldMan
all i can say is totems need like 30% of the shamans total HP. the fact that a rogue is zipping about destroying 6 globals worth of totems immediately is just a joke. that's like the equivalent of a rogue just sniping through a power word shield immediately. not fair. not fair AT ALL.
bruh what lol. totems would be obscenely overpowered if they had that much HP. The whole point of them is to be able to shut them down if ur good. Totem sniping isn't that easy
Yes you are, Whaazz has won every single AWC tournament out there since 2022, they are not even comparable. It's not a shot a pikaboo, he is a streamer that competes, whaazz is a competitor first and foremost.
whazz is much better than pika. Pika is still great, but whaz's control of the game is unmatched, he is the best rogue in the world. There's a reason why they win every single tourny
@@jeff230394 oh I will, enjoy your low population game modes, pvp is dead. Hardly even pulls 2k viewers when the tournaments are on, it's in the worst state pvp has ever been.
Ven biased against rogues again?? 😂😂 who knew. What a bad take this guy has. You go and play the hardest spec in the game and do that. The harder the spec, the better should be. On ww youre braindead zig zug. 0 skill
Im a big Pika fan but bro, when you Play with whaazz, hes Autopiloting you. He tells you what buttons to press, while hes doing his own. He always has a gameplan. Pika is my favorite Rouge, but whaazz is just a little bit better
@@falkpilz369 Same things apply for whaazz aswell Bro, not the pve thing but trill is ww main in pve anyway. Trill is dmg king on top definetly, but my point Stands, whaazz is the best Rouge. Might be the best player in General aswell
I feel like I need to watch these at .5 speed to get anything they're saying. It's crazy how quick they communicate and react!
the way they combine cc when whaaz wants to cc the kill target, then goes for a cc on the healer and his team mate extends the cc on kill target until whazz returns and then the enemy healer is getting chain cced, its so insane
The 1st setup is crazy good - they blind/gouge the healer + fear/spell lock the off target .......jesus
THE MOVE BABY CRACK A CLAW
this is the comms of any top tier team and i love to hear it
I appreciate what your saying about rogue nerfs, that being said there is a reason they have been well represented in every pvp tourney pretty much ever. Skill ceiling is high to perform at this level but still, there kit for locking people down has always been insane.
Hows the rogue Blizzard cast bar so big?
His cam looks so effortless too its crazy, i feel like i look nuts when im in a game haha
Whaazz, Chan and Mehh are easily in the top5 greatest players in the game and they are all on the same team, winning almost regardless of the meta.
That's a bit of a stretch to say greatest in the game
Not really whos better?
@@Njore. whaaz def is
Between 3:32 and 3:36
He had resto sha on focus at 3:32 and then switched the focus onto rogue as he swapped on sp
Finally he shadow stepped on rogue and swtiched the focus back to resto
How did he do that???Marco ??
You can bind arena focus 123 and change them in a split second if you are nimble enough with your keybinds.
like control mouse scroll up+middle button+down = all 3 can be on focus and swap insntantly.
yeah just set focus macros like /focus arena1 or you can use /focus [target=mouseover] if you don't need to change focus a lot
Whaz insane as usual ❤
Lets gooo Whaaazz! Goat🐐
Whazz is good, but that does not change the fact that rogue is a permanently broken class that needs big nerfs for 10 years.
what part of Whazz's UI shows enemy DR?
left side of gladius
Insta cope from NA guys here)
As if the entire TWW AWC tournament in the na didn't look like a mid-ladder at the EU
only drake team do smth.
All famous wow players are NA
@@WOW99910 cope harder. EU on top
@@WOW99910because Americans are obsessed with watching streamers
@@adamkelly4308 NA servers do not only consist of Americans just fyi
@@Faxy95 mostly though. no one wants to play with 200+ ms.
Whazz/Echo is crazy and the fact that only Echo is running sub is a testament to his skill, but subtlety's kit is too much. No class in the game can cause that much disruption and be able to do that much consistent damage with nutty burst while being almost totally protected from counterplay. The thing I noticed from today's matches was that Whazz was keeping up with Chan in damage.....as a sub rogue.....that is a major problem when you can run around at light speed stunning the entire team, do consistent 400k+ dps, have a personal pillar with either shadowy duel or smoke bomb and be nigh unkillable with multiple vanishes, evasion and cloak.
I've been saying it for a while now but it's class design + kit that's been driving the meta. Tuning basically means nothing when some specs/classes are just built for more competitive play (rogue/druid/lock/mage generally). Number tuning really only applies to certain melee specs that either murder you with pressure or they contribute nothing to the game (like dh/ret/warr/ww.)
sub damage is crap, it is normally around 60% of the others DPSs. Sub has an amazing kit, but it takes huge skills to pull it off and only the very best can do it. Even Pika shelved his rogue for Feral.
Classes with very high skill ceiling is the way to go. I wished the increased ceiling for every class rather than butchered Sub
yeah but it takes quite the practice to get to that point of play. ive just made an aff yesterday and it feels like a breeze compare to sub.
If only one can master their kit. The kit is not to big....
@@simon3785 the rotation only is alr 10x harder than other classes let alone DR management
No one plays the game on Echo's level man. The comms are pure business.
Whazz plays Chess Pika plays tic tac toe
Is Whaaz better than Trill, Drake, and Pika? Seems they are all pretty sick...
It's not even close, Whaazz has been in a league of his own for a while, no disrespect to the others, but it ain't close, and hasn't been for a while.
Whaaz dominantes EU. Drake is probably the next best
Trill is nothing special on rogue at all lol. Whaazz isn't even on the same tier list as other rogues.
@@Oh_its_Mike lol sounds like you not all that into NA. Drake isn't even playing rogue.
@@henrikv5410 I'll throw another one in there...Snutz. Gotta look at play and dps not just W/L. Trill's numbers are sick no matter what he plays. 2 of Zico's top plays of 2024 include Trill one of which...the smoke bomb play was CRAZY. It's one thing to drop a bomb on someone, another to place it the way he did not to keep the target in the bomb, but to keep the healer from reaching it. With all the shit going on, no way would many think to pull that off.
They need to remove gouge for sub. Cdr being removed is a great change.
I respect the skill it takes and how much micro rogues make, but I hate the gameplay around CD's. It's a fundamental design advantage in PvP. For me though, it makes for very boring tournaments.
Rogue classification
Whazz > Pikaboo > Najh (3x3)
? > ? > ? (1x1)
think sitting in dstance is that bad tho? You just lose crit as arms but gain 15% dr
I thought Warrior crushed Rogues and Locks. D-stance all day so depressing what happend to my old class:(
These weakauras are insane, popup for death vanish etc so you could know to not blind or something else.
Would love to see a testmode without addons
The fact is they all play with addons so it wouldnt bé diferent
They don't need the addons but it does make things a bit easier for them
@@Faxy95 yes they do
@@Faxy95 rofl
@@johnnyringo2695 No they dont. Turneys used to have no addons rule
It makes me a little sad that the pacing of the game is so fast now that comms and coordination like this are seen as crazy and amazing.
Not to say that any of these players are bad in any way, but you can go back to Reckfuls old videos from 11 years ago when he was vs'ing KFC comp in MoP and their comms and coordination was just as good if not better, but the game was slower paced and required longer setups before goes.
there's just too much CC, CDs are short, 99% of heals are instant, 99% of casters are instant now. I do kinda miss the days of juking and casting more :) But the games are much quicker. Games are much quicker though.
Ur so delusional if u think its anywhere near the same skill level lol
"You can't do things like this on a ww", Yeah i feel like we're just expansions behind on kit as ww. I used to feel like I had way more carry potential as a ww in SL for example, but so much less so in DF and again in TWW.
I feel like rogues one of those classes that has been 1-2 expansions ahead on kit since TBC.
WW at least has some representation in AWC, and quite a few wins, more than you can say for some other specs
Dude u dont know what u talking about. Like WW Was just broken in SS. No skill required. Literally waiting for proc of dance of chi and oneshotting pple. Thats such a weak Argument that u bring to the table. Most of the players like you prob cry in wow Forums about classes. But u dont even know shit.
@@VICTUZLAYA If by "SS" you mean shuffle, you're mixing up expansions because dance procs didn't hit for any substantial amount of damage in DF... that was during SL.
If by "SS" you meant SL, yeah you'd play around your minute go and try to 1shot someone. That was most specs in the game at the time, lots of cd stacking, setting up for 2-3 globals, then 1shotting someone.
Whazz is the best in the Business right now and it’s not close
These guys are crazzYyyy. I love arena but i suck ahhaha
good player but why isnt he hiding the buffs from him and under his target? you cant tell me that he needs it
So is there a specific reason as to why 99% of all content on RUclips that has to do with PvP is currently “commentary, guides, comp ranking, class ranking, solo, random bgs, blitz?” But only 1% with actual 3v3 arenas?
I get that blizzard doesn’t know what they are doing and smurfing mmr, but you guys should just make alts and post 3v3 content, this is getting ridiculous
omg they listened to simple instructions so amazing. tf lol.
i'll preface by saying ya they're obviously good, this is top arena gameplay, but also what the fuck is the enemy doing?
he fears the spriest to prevent swap, spriest trinkets to counter fear (literally 1400 gameplay) as if they have any offensive pressure, casts VT in chan's face while his rogue is deathmarked so he gets kicked for no swap
game 2 how are you just letting whazz sit 3 ccs on ur sham, cover ur sp , then go rogue before any of those 3 players decide to hit a defensive button / cc whaaz .. every single dr.. like why do u have to wait to trinket fear or trinket cheap when u saw him setting this up 3 globals ago
game 3 i mean just watch their cc. these are awc players.
They're ez to predict either
Whaaz just calling all of his teammates spells 🤣
he play on rogue, he think about goes, all dr’s and cd’s cos he starting them its just his role in setup
ofc not , and a rogue cant do what a windwalker monk can do , i mean every class has its own thing at the end of the day i dont get it if people want what a rogue can do , then make a rogue pretty simple
And what is that windwalker can do that rogue can't?
as a looong time main rogue i cant stand current rogue playstyle, its not even old school "gooes" its some fortnite adderal shit to play around the garbage changes blizz did to drs and cc durations. so i rerolled warrior and having a blast, i press mortal strike overpower and i blast, FeelsOldMan
that's pikaboo shade and venruki knows it.
shadowy duel legit gets barely any value from 99 percent of players lol.
This shit it’s impossible to watch(comprehend what’s going on) but thanks
all i can say is totems need like 30% of the shamans total HP. the fact that a rogue is zipping about destroying 6 globals worth of totems immediately is just a joke. that's like the equivalent of a rogue just sniping through a power word shield immediately. not fair. not fair AT ALL.
Na
bruh what lol. totems would be obscenely overpowered if they had that much HP. The whole point of them is to be able to shut them down if ur good. Totem sniping isn't that easy
Why all these wonders about rogues? Can you not do these with other classes? 😂
wait i thought pika is the world best im wrong?
lately pika isnt doing well he even swapped to feral instead of rogue
Yes you are, Whaazz has won every single AWC tournament out there since 2022, they are not even comparable. It's not a shot a pikaboo, he is a streamer that competes, whaazz is a competitor first and foremost.
these dudes in here complaining about using addons and wa kekw
Cant follow it with the sperg talk. Just confuses my normal smooth brain
Perfect description. Was questioning if it was English most of the time.
@@Jonkronn The majority of EU players do not, as a matter of fact, speak English as a first language.
when title says best rogue in the world and its not pikaboo 💀💀
?
Whazz is clear of Pikaboo.
whazz is much better than pika. Pika is still great, but whaz's control of the game is unmatched, he is the best rogue in the world. There's a reason why they win every single tourny
Who?
Pikaboo is probably top 5, definitely not top 3, and he has never been the best.
Whaaaz is way better than pikaboo lol
@@rxfsan who are you tho?
It's obviously not Pikaboo...
Wazz, Drake,(edit*you right Kalvish), Trill, Pika.
🤷🏾♂️
You fan girls are cute though. 😂
Didn't even mention Kalvish... Pika is the best!
@@the1beetsy kalvish >>
Says the fangirl himself lmao 😂😂😂
Im a cute girl and you will never banguh me
Drake? I think your dealer laced your shit bro
Am I missing something here where is Pikaboo?
He is playing 2v2 at 1800 while Whaazz is winning every single AWC tournament since 2022.
Pikaboo is good, but he's definitely not Whazz.
@m1xd2323 🤡👞👞 the Cdew shade is insane. Also, not sure how many others they lost or to who but for sure Guardians took S2 Cup 2.
@@m1xd2323 What is this the lebron vs jordan debate? I didnt realize Whazz wins the games by himself. Clown ass response.
@@DhatBlitz Ok, we are going to call Absterge and Wizk bad now because Pikaboo can't win? Lmao, give me break.
pika has more accolades than whaz
....ven is just jelly.
He literally doesn’t and it’s not even close when you compared team placements/rank1’s/ and ability to multi class at the AWC level.
its so fun watching whazz chan meh raiku
That's why I don't pvp anyone, healers can't play the game. Mythic+ is so much more fun to heal because you actually get to play.
Good stay away noob
@@jeff230394 oh I will, enjoy your low population game modes, pvp is dead. Hardly even pulls 2k viewers when the tournaments are on, it's in the worst state pvp has ever been.
first
Ven biased against rogues again?? 😂😂 who knew. What a bad take this guy has. You go and play the hardest spec in the game and do that. The harder the spec, the better should be. On ww youre braindead zig zug. 0 skill
He can play any spec in the game better than you my friend
pikaboo is the best rogue in the world
Im a big Pika fan but bro, when you Play with whaazz, hes Autopiloting you. He tells you what buttons to press, while hes doing his own. He always has a gameplan.
Pika is my favorite Rouge, but whaazz is just a little bit better
he certainly is the most fun one to watch ^^
Dont be a fanboy bro, Whaaz has won more tournaments than Pikaboo has hairs in his ballsack. Pikaboo is entertaining af, but not better than Whaazz
Trill is! Hes the current NA AWC Champ also former Worldchamp and Worldfirst in pve aswell and even whazz said hes the best rogues hes ever faced.
@@falkpilz369 Same things apply for whaazz aswell Bro, not the pve thing but trill is ww main in pve anyway. Trill is dmg king on top definetly, but my point Stands, whaazz is the best Rouge. Might be the best player in General aswell
Sub doing more dmg then arms now. Arms brigns nothing. Just like in m+. Its so borderline silly.