Matt! I have already delivered my rant on the subject of Leica lenses elsewhere, but just briefly: RUclips hosts vids from photographers showing shelves crammed full of hyper expensive lenses with very little difference between them. It's as if the photographer thinks he needs to choose a particular lens for each subject or sight that he wants to shoot. I contrast this with the display of Leica lenses, all two or three of them, at the museum dedicated to the extraordinary Ara Güler in Istanbul. Are the modern lens collectors perhaps amazed that such striking photos could be achieved with just a couple of old lenses? In my opinion, those shelves stuffed full of lenses represent the power of marketing far more than advances in photography.
Hi Jeremy, ah yes now I understand a comment I just replied to. Yes 100% for sunny 16 style photos at infinity. Yes modern lenses might be smaller faster, lighter, focus closer, render differently but if you shoot at f11 against a white wall with the light behind you can use any similar FL lens..
Of course the people in the Leica shop in Poland greet you with respect YOU ARE MISTER LEICA !!! Excellent video Matt IMO one of your best. So excited about your get together with Peter !
I went with the APO in January and am very happy ever since. Liked the bokeh of the APO better than the one of the Lux. The APO is my absolute dream lens. Thanks for the great comparison. Cheers from Germany 🌈
Thanks Andreas! Yes a top perfomer for sure. I'll be coming to Germany later this year (I moved to London so finally I have better flight options to Germany).
@@Andreas_Reuter can you go to MrLeica.com and add yourself to the mailing list for photowalks and that way you’ll get an email when I visit (and I can’t forget) 😅
I made a specific test at low light (high ISO) about APO vs Lux. It might sound surpricing, but the APO is a clear winner. At same low light condition, the APO pictures (at F2) feature more details than the Lux ones (at F1.4), even if the ISO was much higher in the APO pictures.
Hello Matt, thank you for your experience! What do you think of a 35 APO on an M6? I hesitate to replace my 35 IV... This would be for a coherent kit 35APO + 75APO or keep the 35IV + 75 1.4... Dilem!
It might be too good for film resolution but you could. Close focus isn’t a benefit with film too. 75 APO is good on film. I used the same in the past. 75Lux is better for digital.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks for this quick reply! A 35 APO on an M6 may be wasted then.. So either a 35 "classic" 1.4 or 2 or keep my 35 IV with the 75 APO
I upgraded my 35lux FLE to the new 2022 version when it first came out. I was drawn in thinking the close focus would be a game changer and it certainly helps in making it a more ‘universal’ travel lens but 40cm MFD isn’t anywhere near as game changing as 30cm on the APO as you rightly point out. Having tried both of these lenses, I prefer the lux especially when balanced against the even further cost of upgrading to the APO. Being honest, I wish I’d just stuck with the original 35lux FLE and saved the money as it too was amazing. It’s interesting now seeing all the comments about the new 50lux. Other than the 35APO, the 75APO which comes in much cheaper, gets you closer to your shot than anything else and oddly can be purchased mint, used for around the same cost as upgrading a 35lux FLE to the 2022 version. The APO is not only a large step further more expensive, but also rare as hens teeth because they are so hard to make.
Thanks Rod and yes they are rare for sure. A German photographer brought one to a London workshop last year and that was one of the first copies in Germany. Yes 30cm makes the difference.
Haha my audio skills are not good enough to answer but I did enjoy some Technics stuff in my youth (for bokeh I just want it to look smooth/ non-distracting).
Nice video Matt .... One question though.... Isn't the older summicron a truly great lens, too? I believe it is version 3 but I am not sure of the production years.
Great video, i had both lenses at the same time last year, but i only kept the lux35FLEII..this one is glued to my m11m (best lens ever but voigt35.1.5 is near 85%)
I’ve shot with both but purchased the Lux. The APO was absolutely amazing but I liked the character of the Lux and ability to open up another stop. The other thing is that _IMO_ the Lux stopped down to f2 looks _nearly_ indistinguishable from the APO.
Thanks, if I was planning to use with film i'd get the Lux but APO is just excellent. In real world use both will look nice but up close the APO is a clear winner (except centre up close where more even).
Again, scholarly without being pedantic. I watch all your videos, even the ones covering stuff I am not going to do like spend money on a Leica lens. The Bertele 5cm f/2.0 30's CZJ upgrade looks nice as does the LLL Elcan. Your review of the Elcan was good, too good. ;o) Cheers
Got my 35mm apo for the M11 a few weeks ago and I enjoy the combo very much. The close focusing is a gamechanger and makes this lens even more versatile. The size and weight is awesome too on a M camera. Peace and love from Germany
If money is no option then byvl all means go for the best you can find. But if not, then try to determine what are needs and what is ego. It makes life easier.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom gotcha! No worries, I was thoroughly confused because 35 is my primary focal length to shoot on. It does funny stuff like mess with the bottles sometimes, gotta love character! Cheers, Matt!
Matt - I really enjoy your stuff. You have a nice, peaceful sincere attitude about you, and your videos are pleasant to watch. I don't know why I watch you, because I shoot Nikon FF for all my paid gigs, weddings and events - and for my personal stuff. I could never buy a Leica, because stuff in Australia is crazy expensive. I just looked up my camera store and the SL2s body only is just on $9,000, (I don't like rangefinder cameras for my eyes), and the 24-90 SL zoom is $8,500 - oh boy. I wouldn't shoot them anyway, because Leica do not offer any camera with a flip out screen and I shoot about 80% of all my stuff on the flip out screen. Anyway, I got sidetracked. My question is, is there stuff on your Patreon that I would benefit from being a non-Leica shooter. Do you think I would get the value from the other stuff you offer and what would that be. Do you have any other non-Leica guys on your Patreon, or would I be the only one? If you I'd benefit, I'd be happy to join!
Hi, thanks for your kind words. I’m reverse order yes not everyone is Leica. My top 2 supporters (by the level they pay at) are Sony and Nikon. I cover a lot of model photography, some film, some general stuff, what’s in my bag, lighting, not too much pure Leica but the kit I’m using is often Leica. If you go to MrLeica.com then the Patreon link, there’s a big list of stuff included. That will give you an idea of whether you might like it (and you can always join and leave if just want to see what it’s about). Thanks for your interest!
I refuse to take an interest in a lens that, in the US, costs more than many surgical procedures, but I did want to say that the talking-to-camera portions of this video look exceptionally good! I hope you'll be able to replicate this look back home…
Thansk James! Hmm I had a nice apartment in Warsaw.. (you'll see it in a Patreon video to come).. I appreciate the feedback and will see what I can do (was only shot with very basic kit but nice room helped a lot)
I never understood why aspherical elements exist. These pictures for example look very similar. Also the 50 mm Summicron I own has a similar look. The Leica lens line feels to me, as a hobbyist, confusing.
@ A video with the exakt the same pictures would be very educational. Since when are aspherical lenses in use? Also interesting would be the difference between single coating and multi coating lenses…
I have to say that the prices are getting ridiculous. I really like the brand and I'm a long time customer (I have among other the S System), but recently Leica overstretched it, and by far.
I know that I might be the odd one out, but where is Leica going with this sort of pricing? I don't know who is in charge of their pricing or marketing, but it seems that the they are relying on the Leica fans with deep pockets to pay for these lenses and no questions asked. The other oddity that doesn't make any sense to me is , given the performance of the new sesnors ( 60MP for the new M11 Mono ) and the resolving power of these lenses, what real world benefit could be had from shooting these combinations handheld? As far as I know Leica M Digital cameras have no IBIS, so at 60MP a mere camera shake of few hundreds of a milimeter will make all the resolution advantages of these lenses redundant. Surely you don't pay $8000 for a lens, mount it to a Leica M body and then proceed to mount it on a solid super damped tripod? Thats what we normal people do with our old M bodies and lenses when trying to maximise the resolution.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I know that I am ancient, and so are my expectations, but I paid just short of £2000 ( this was top wack price at the time ) for my M6 TTL and a Leica 35 F1.4 Summilux ASPH, both absolutely mint nearly 18 years ago, from a Leica Premium dealer. Now, that is about £4500 today. The cost of an M6 and a Summilux ASPH today is around £11000. You see where I am coming from I hope. This is the sort of money we were expecting to pay for a full Hasselblad system including 4 or 5 lenses and several backs. Unless people are made of money, and I do admit that these days some are, this sort of pricing doesn't make sense. How much money would you hav eto make as a photographer to justify paying that sort of money for a camera and a lens? Thanks for engaging with me.
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Matt your enthusiasm is contagious! Thank you.
Ha thanks, i'm a big camera geek :)
Because a fan of your content by default. Keep the great content flowing 👍
thank you!
That apo is perfection
Yes it really is awesome!
Matt! I have already delivered my rant on the subject of Leica lenses elsewhere, but just briefly: RUclips hosts vids from photographers showing shelves crammed full of hyper expensive lenses with very little difference between them. It's as if the photographer thinks he needs to choose a particular lens for each subject or sight that he wants to shoot.
I contrast this with the display of Leica lenses, all two or three of them, at the museum dedicated to the extraordinary Ara Güler in Istanbul. Are the modern lens collectors perhaps amazed that such striking photos could be achieved with just a couple of old lenses? In my opinion, those shelves stuffed full of lenses represent the power of marketing far more than advances in photography.
Hi Jeremy, ah yes now I understand a comment I just replied to. Yes 100% for sunny 16 style photos at infinity. Yes modern lenses might be smaller faster, lighter, focus closer, render differently but if you shoot at f11 against a white wall with the light behind you can use any similar FL lens..
Of course the people in the Leica shop in Poland greet you with respect YOU ARE MISTER LEICA !!!
Excellent video Matt IMO one of your best.
So excited about your get together with Peter !
Thanks Rob, yes it was unplanned but a really nice visit. (Second video to follow!) ;)
I went with the APO in January and am very happy ever since. Liked the bokeh of the APO better than the one of the Lux. The APO is my absolute dream lens. Thanks for the great comparison. Cheers from Germany 🌈
Thanks Andreas! Yes a top perfomer for sure. I'll be coming to Germany later this year (I moved to London so finally I have better flight options to Germany).
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Great - please keep me posted . I'm located in the Frankfurt area 👍
@@Andreas_Reuter can you go to MrLeica.com and add yourself to the mailing list for photowalks and that way you’ll get an email when I visit (and I can’t forget) 😅
Thanks for your visit. Good job.
Thank you!
I made a specific test at low light (high ISO) about APO vs Lux. It might sound surpricing, but the APO is a clear winner. At same low light condition, the APO pictures (at F2) feature more details than the Lux ones (at F1.4), even if the ISO was much higher in the APO pictures.
Yes that doesn't surprise me at all. Thanks for sharing!
If you get this nice of a reception at the Leica store, I think they would treat you like a king at the Voigtlander shop 😂
Haha thanks Thomas, good point! :) Maybe I need to find a Voigtlander shop next haha
Do you come to Toronto?
Hopefully one day but I'm not exactly sure when yet.
Matt, thanks for the comparison review. You have covered all the main aspects. I feel less guilty for the $8k spent on 35 APO😅
Thank you! Yes sorry for the quick and dirty review but hopefully I covered the basics and the APO was the clear winner for me.
Just jump to 10:35 in this video, you will save time and a LOT of money !
Haha yes I can't afford the Leica one
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I hope Voigtländer will continue to make new Lenses in very high quality.
Hello Matt, thank you for your experience!
What do you think of a 35 APO on an M6?
I hesitate to replace my 35 IV...
This would be for a coherent kit 35APO + 75APO or keep the 35IV + 75 1.4... Dilem!
It might be too good for film resolution but you could. Close focus isn’t a benefit with film too. 75 APO is good on film. I used the same in the past. 75Lux is better for digital.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks for this quick reply!
A 35 APO on an M6 may be wasted then.. So either a 35 "classic" 1.4 or 2 or keep my 35 IV with the 75 APO
I upgraded my 35lux FLE to the new 2022 version when it first came out. I was drawn in thinking the close focus would be a game changer and it certainly helps in making it a more ‘universal’ travel lens but 40cm MFD isn’t anywhere near as game changing as 30cm on the APO as you rightly point out. Having tried both of these lenses, I prefer the lux especially when balanced against the even further cost of upgrading to the APO. Being honest, I wish I’d just stuck with the original 35lux FLE and saved the money as it too was amazing. It’s interesting now seeing all the comments about the new 50lux. Other than the 35APO, the 75APO which comes in much cheaper, gets you closer to your shot than anything else and oddly can be purchased mint, used for around the same cost as upgrading a 35lux FLE to the 2022 version. The APO is not only a large step further more expensive, but also rare as hens teeth because they are so hard to make.
Thanks Rod and yes they are rare for sure. A German photographer brought one to a London workshop last year and that was one of the first copies in Germany. Yes 30cm makes the difference.
In 1:22 is a Dlux? 🤔
Yes they did have one, well spotted!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom this color is beautiful!
Is the concern about the bokeh balls being the shape of cogs on the 1.4 @ F:2 the same cogging issue as the Technics SL2 turntable had?
Haha my audio skills are not good enough to answer but I did enjoy some Technics stuff in my youth (for bokeh I just want it to look smooth/ non-distracting).
Nice video Matt .... One question though.... Isn't the older summicron a truly great lens, too? I believe it is version 3 but I am not sure of the production years.
Yes look out for a video to come 👍🏻
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom tomorrow? 😅
Can you do a comparison of M and SL lenses on SL/SL2. Wld be very interesting…..
If I get both at the same time yes 👍🏻
Great video, i had both lenses at the same time last year, but i only kept the lux35FLEII..this one is glued to my m11m (best lens ever but voigt35.1.5 is near 85%)
Thanks for sharing, yes the Voigt 35 1.5 is a beautiful looking lens but I stuck with my f2 Ultron.
I’ve shot with both but purchased the Lux. The APO was absolutely amazing but I liked the character of the Lux and ability to open up another stop. The other thing is that _IMO_ the Lux stopped down to f2 looks _nearly_ indistinguishable from the APO.
Thanks, if I was planning to use with film i'd get the Lux but APO is just excellent. In real world use both will look nice but up close the APO is a clear winner (except centre up close where more even).
Good to see you in Warsaw! :) Guys in Leica Store Warsaw are amazing and helpful :) Always paying them visit while in warsaw :)
Thank you.. yes really good guys. I must visit again!
Have u ever compared Leica APO vs Voigtlander APO?
No this is the first hands on test with the Leica APO.. if I get a chance in the future I will
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom thanks Matt keep waiting your new clip
Again, scholarly without being pedantic. I watch all your videos, even the ones covering stuff I am not going to do like spend money on a Leica lens. The Bertele 5cm f/2.0 30's CZJ upgrade looks nice as does the LLL Elcan. Your review of the Elcan was good, too good. ;o) Cheers
Thanks Zoltan! I appreciate your ongoing support!
Got my 35mm apo for the M11 a few weeks ago and I enjoy the combo very much. The close focusing is a gamechanger and makes this lens even more versatile. The size and weight is awesome too on a M camera. Peace and love from Germany
Great stuff! Enjoy :)
If money is no option then byvl all means go for the best you can find. But if not, then try to determine what are needs and what is ego. It makes life easier.
Thanks Michael, Yes it was nice to test the lenses but they are not something I can afford.
Am I tripping or does the 35 APO look like a 40mm? Or does the 35 lux look wider? Something is different
Blame me not the glass of wine :) .. please ignore the framing as I was going back and forth testing the lenses in a shop environment.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom gotcha! No worries, I was thoroughly confused because 35 is my primary focal length to shoot on. It does funny stuff like mess with the bottles sometimes, gotta love character! Cheers, Matt!
Thanks for the video. Price-wise, it is one Summilux and three Voigtlander APOs for one APO Summicron. 😂
Haha or 8 Voigtlanders :) You know where my money goes!
Why can’t Voigtlander be bothered to put a damn focusing tab on theirs though?
Some lenses have the tab, the new 35mm f1.5 for example. 35 APO and 50 APO don't have.
Matt - I really enjoy your stuff. You have a nice, peaceful sincere attitude about you, and your videos are pleasant to watch. I don't know why I watch you, because I shoot Nikon FF for all my paid gigs, weddings and events - and for my personal stuff. I could never buy a Leica, because stuff in Australia is crazy expensive. I just looked up my camera store and the SL2s body only is just on $9,000, (I don't like rangefinder cameras for my eyes), and the 24-90 SL zoom is $8,500 - oh boy. I wouldn't shoot them anyway, because Leica do not offer any camera with a flip out screen and I shoot about 80% of all my stuff on the flip out screen. Anyway, I got sidetracked. My question is, is there stuff on your Patreon that I would benefit from being a non-Leica shooter. Do you think I would get the value from the other stuff you offer and what would that be. Do you have any other non-Leica guys on your Patreon, or would I be the only one? If you I'd benefit, I'd be happy to join!
Hi, thanks for your kind words. I’m reverse order yes not everyone is Leica. My top 2 supporters (by the level they pay at) are Sony and Nikon. I cover a lot of model photography, some film, some general stuff, what’s in my bag, lighting, not too much pure Leica but the kit I’m using is often Leica. If you go to MrLeica.com then the Patreon link, there’s a big list of stuff included. That will give you an idea of whether you might like it (and you can always join and leave if just want to see what it’s about). Thanks for your interest!
I refuse to take an interest in a lens that, in the US, costs more than many surgical procedures, but I did want to say that the talking-to-camera portions of this video look exceptionally good! I hope you'll be able to replicate this look back home…
Thansk James! Hmm I had a nice apartment in Warsaw.. (you'll see it in a Patreon video to come).. I appreciate the feedback and will see what I can do (was only shot with very basic kit but nice room helped a lot)
As long as you don't need surgery it's ok .... when you do you just sell the lens, get the procedure, recover and rebuy. 🤣😂🤣
I never understood why aspherical elements exist. These pictures for example look very similar. Also the 50 mm Summicron I own has a similar look. The Leica lens line feels to me, as a hobbyist, confusing.
ASPH perform better than non-ASPH. APO are more corrected than ASPH so less chromatic aberrations etc seen in certain conditions.
@ Can you elaborate a bit in artistic terms. Why do you choose which lens in which situation….?
@ I use mostly older lenses so less modern looking. More imperfections, more flare, more vignetting, more soft glow.. all the opposite of ASPH/APO
@ A video with the exakt the same pictures would be very educational. Since when are aspherical lenses in use? Also interesting would be the difference between single coating and multi coating lenses…
Sorry Matt - got all exicited as I read the tag as Image Stabilization.....
Haha, thanks Michael
I thought you would compare the new 50 summilux
I will if I get the opportunity 👍🏻
I have to say that the prices are getting ridiculous. I really like the brand and I'm a long time customer (I have among other the S System), but recently Leica overstretched it, and by far.
Thanks Steve, yes I wont be buying these but it was nice to compare them for interest
I know that I might be the odd one out, but where is Leica going with this sort of pricing? I don't know who is in charge of their pricing or marketing, but it seems that the they are relying on the Leica fans with deep pockets to pay for these lenses and no questions asked. The other oddity that doesn't make any sense to me is , given the performance of the new sesnors ( 60MP for the new M11 Mono ) and the resolving power of these lenses, what real world benefit could be had from shooting these combinations handheld? As far as I know Leica M Digital cameras have no IBIS, so at 60MP a mere camera shake of few hundreds of a milimeter will make all the resolution advantages of these lenses redundant. Surely you don't pay $8000 for a lens, mount it to a Leica M body and then proceed to mount it on a solid super damped tripod? Thats what we normal people do with our old M bodies and lenses when trying to maximise the resolution.
All very fair points.. and I can't answer for Leica. (But agree £1-2K is perhaps the top of many people's budget so $8K is way off)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I know that I am ancient, and so are my expectations, but I paid just short of £2000 ( this was top wack price at the time ) for my M6 TTL and a Leica 35 F1.4 Summilux ASPH, both absolutely mint nearly 18 years ago, from a Leica Premium dealer. Now, that is about £4500 today. The cost of an M6 and a Summilux ASPH today is around £11000. You see where I am coming from I hope. This is the sort of money we were expecting to pay for a full Hasselblad system including 4 or 5 lenses and several backs. Unless people are made of money, and I do admit that these days some are, this sort of pricing doesn't make sense. How much money would you hav eto make as a photographer to justify paying that sort of money for a camera and a lens? Thanks for engaging with me.
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Thanks for the feedback. I do written articles too for those that prefer it.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaComWhat a very nice, diplomatic reply.