Palace of Twilight, Ethereal Ambience - Dungeon Design in Zelda (Twilight Princess HD)
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- The Twilight Realm, and by extension, it's denizens known as the Twili, are shrouded in mystery. What is the truth behind the Twili's origins? Can we find evidence of this in the palace itself? And most importantly, what makes this dungeon stand out from the rest? Despite being the most straightforward dungeon in the game, the it still manages to impress.
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0:00 - Intro
0:37 - Before The Dungeon
2:52 - Dungeon Themes & Progression
28:04 - The Dungeon Boss
33:02 - Conclusion
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Zant is one of my favorite boss fights that I've played in a Zelda game. He's not particularly difficult to beat, but he is fun. The last phase of the fight is so chaotic, which is reinforced by the music changing every few seconds.
Quest for Aaron has analyzed japanese text in the original game, he did found out the the interloopers were just normal hyrule citizens. meaning, your theory that they may have been multiples races involves makes a lot of sense.
Why would Midna choose to live in such a confusing castle
well, she wasnt alive when her people were banned there. Now, if we talk at the end of the game... Thats philosophical and we could have a 3h discussion about this XD
maybe she can fly like zelda
IDK
Did she have a choice lol
This was probably one of my favourite dungeon designs so far!
The theories of the Twili people are so in-depth, I am always like dayum there is so much lore in these games
Great video as always! The Twilight Tribe being a warped amalgamation of various races is an interesting idea for sure! Pointing out those Musical Easter Eggs... It's kinda insane when they're played back to back like this. Probably why I find these soundtracks so compelling compared to a lot of games, they're very detailed and purposeful in a way I find really appealing :)
16:17 This is 100% correct. Shadow by itself is harmless, the same as light (except for beings of shadow). When you enter the Shadow World, Link is fine, as that is just that, shadow. But the blanket of shadow that covered Hyrule did not create another shadow world. It merged Shadow and Light, and created Twilight, or as Zant puts it: "Merge shadow and light to create *Darkness* ". The Twilight Covered Hyrule is a Dark World, of the same kind as the corrupted Sacred Realm turned into the Dark World by Ganon. In fact, in cut dialogue, the Shadow covered Hyrule is refered to as a "Dark World".
Midna even says that we were lucky to have been chosen by the gods, resulting in our wolf form, as we would have otherwise turned into a spirit, or worse, a shadow beast. And shadow beasts were twisted Twili corrupted by Ganon's dark magic (Malice perhaps?)
The only instances when the term "Twilight" is used in japanese is when referring to this blanket of darkness that covered Hyrule, and when Midna mockingly called Zelda the "Twilight princess" 黄昏の姫さんよ (Tasogare no Hime-san yo). Midna for instance is called the "Shadow Princess" 影の王女(Kage no ōjo) by Zant and many others, such as the Sages (who in the english version call her the "Twilight Princess", being wrongly translated).
And curously, later in BOTW, she is called the "Shadow Queen" 影の女王 (Kage no joō), not Shadow Princess. Cool huh?
"Shadow Queen" has such an incredible ring to it! I love that. And her being the rightful ruler of this place, honestly that makes way more sense than her being the "princess".
@@CaptBurgerson it makes sense of you think about it. Midna had recently been chosen as ruler of the Twili people, which is shortly before we see Zant run outside and bang his head on the floor in desperation before Ganon showed himself before him posing as a God. She was a princess then. Immediately after meeting Ganon, Zant usurped the throne, and began the Shadow Invasion of Hyrule. It wouldn't be until after Midna regains her throne that she would become queen.
@@CaptBurgerson Shadow Queen is the final boss in Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
I just discovered your channel a couple days ago. I absolutely love Zelda dungeon analysis videos, and yours hit the spot! I've been listening to all of these while I'm at work, it helps give me ideas for my own game project. I especially love the Wind Waker and Twilight Princess series, I could listen to people analyse their level design forever. Keep up the great work! Subbed 🤍
Welcome aboard! Glad you're enjoying the series! :)
@@CaptBurgerson It's excellent! I also really agree with your opinions on the Twilight Realm. I love the ambience and aesthetic of it so much. I really do hope they bring the Twilight and Midna back in a mainline game someday.
I believe the instrument that your hearing in the Palace, Arbiters grounds, and Ganons tower is the Chinese Erhu. I couldn’t place it until Ganons tower, but after that, I was almost positive. It could be one or multiple, but I’m pretty sure it is a erhu. Beautiful instrument if you ever get a chance to listen.
Thank you!! I absolutely could not place the instrument myself.
i would like to agree however some of the note changes seem too abrupt to be done by the genuine instrument. they sound more like they are done by a synth or keyboard rather than the actual instrument
Yes, the games soundtrack is done using MIDI so it is not technically genuine instruments but the MIDI sounds are meant to imitate real instruments
I say TP used human Veran from the Oracle games as a base for the Twili and Midna. Both utilize dark magic, both have Shiekah and Gerudo imagery, both have blue-ish/pale skin tones with red hair, both have red eyes and Midna even has purple lips like Veran.
Been binging throught this TP dungeon series. It's really good stuff, keep up the excellent work!
I gotta say the Zant fight is probably my favorite fight in Zelda. It’s so fucking crazy and unhinged
Not sure why the twili people would have came from multiple tribes instead of 1 would be thought of as a copout theory. The Japanese version of game kinda suggests that to be the case. It only says that people who were proficient in magic rose up from the people made up this group, it never specified which tribe/race or how many of the tribes/races these magic users came from. Just that they already existed in Hyrule and they were proficient in magic
And since the Twilight realm is basically TP's interpretation of the Dark world, many dark magic users could have been banished there, and over thousands of years assimilated into the Twili people.
This dungeon made me have a breakdown from stress when I was younger.
I'm going to be doing some level design tonight. Thanks for the background inspiration.
I'm by no means an expert on instruments and music, but i can't help but feel like that recurring instrument in those themes sounds like an otamatone.
Also, I love your theory of the Twili. It seems to fit so well.
oh boy, you are so right about the quasi symmetry. its indeed destabilizing.
Ahhh was so excited for this and you did not disappoint! Great analysis and review of such an underrated dungeon. Ironically The Palace of Twilight winds up feeling like the black sheep dungeon of Twilight Princess lol, one of favorites though
I always set the reminders for each new video
I just found you TP dungeon serious, and I've got making my way through them. I love your analysis, and it really makes me want to replay the game again after more than a decade since I've touched it. Twilight Princess of my favorite game of all time, and it's really nice to see a nearly 2 decade year old game get this attention. I played it on the Wii when it first released, and I still have that copy of the game.
Awesome vids, my dude.
Never would’ve thought about the different forms of twilight but I think you’re definitely onto something there. Also very interesting to hear your thoughts on just exactly who the Twili used to be. The Twilight realm was always really stressful to me (or at least the parts with the hands). But the ambience was always top notch and I remember just going back there before beating the game to explore and hang out. Great analysis as always. Truly underrated channel.
I discovered your Zelda Dungeon series last week, and I can't thank you enough for putting all these together! Truly informative and enjoyable!
Thank you so much! Glad you are enjoying them!
Hmm. When I look back at the memory you find in Hyrule Castle, the only Guardian we see active has orange glowy lines. This is the same as the Guardian Scouts found in Shrines, which makes sense, as they're still acting on the orders of the Sheikah to test the hero. Corrupted Guardians have the red (magenta?) glow of Malice. What changes from blue to red during the corruption is the glow of the Divine Beasts.
You can totally attack them, anyway, and Midna doesn't seem to chastise you for it. Or maybe the one player I saw do it didn't keep at it enough to provoke a reaction. I don't know.
I assume that, given that their appearance is just like the Shadow Beasts we fight, their placement in the corridor right outside the boss room, and the fact that they attack you if given enough of an opportunity, Midna would be fine with you attacking them. It's just the ones you find outside the palace proper that she doesn't want attacked.
My favorite music in the Zant series of fights is during the frozen bedroom portion, but I like how the final phase's music just goes off the rails.
Midna somewhat reminds me of Shade the Echidna from Sonic Chronicles the Dark Brotherhood
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Love this series !!!
Definitely have a new appreciation for this dungeon--love your theory about the interpretation of the earlier cut scene; totally a mix of Hylian races. I totally buy Midna as having Gerudo heritage, and also the Sheikah nature of the design
I think the reason for this being short and easy was so it didn't overshadow the next dungeon/boss. I still think Zant couldv'e been a little harder but still, I liked it.
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Had to make de cut here cuz a few moments before you said that the Twili could a combination of tribes (gerudo, sheika, etc...) it came to my mind! "Man kinda even sounds like it's more of a group of various people and not a single" just for you to bring up the lanyru cutscene and bring the idea to table and I though: "Great minds think alike 7w7 XD" (Just joking) But had to point out that your explanation before your conclusion on that part did help me to get to the same one, so in a scene, you opened my mind, gotta thank you for that, as this being my very first Zelda game and having a specila love for twili I never got to think about this theory. Thank you from the heart, also I've been maranoting these videos of dungeon desing in the Twilight princess game and man I've learnt so much thanks to you. You're awesome, suscribed the moment I saw the vid talking about Midna's Lament. Keep going man, you're wonderful!
I really wish you got to fight the Shadow Beasts that were with Zant in the Hyrule Cutscene as some elite beings
Kinda how you fight Igos du Ikana's lackeys before he gets up and fights you himself. Zant is my favorite villain in the series right after Ganondorf. Bro got caught lacking by Midna lol.
Fun Fact: This is the 3D Zelda dungeon that has the most small keys
edit: This comment is incorrect. This dungeon has the second most small keys. OoT Fire Temple has the most.
Oops. I was actually incorrect with this comment. This dungeon has the second most small keys. OoT Fire Temple has the most small keys.
Reminds me of how I always compared Zant to King Olly from Paper Mario, except King Olly is always stoic and don’t have a funny side. 🤔
Yay!!!
there is another way to explain the similarities in the symbols. there is a theory (or it might have been outright confirmed by the hyrule historia) that the twilight realm is sacred realm corrupted by ganon/ganondorf's power. so what do all these temples have in common? a connection to the sacred realm and or the goddesses/goddess hylia. this would then further explain why we need to go back in time to the temple of time/temple of light (to call back to the video on that dungeon) dungeon. if we didnt go back in time then we could have ended up in a vastly different space with possibly the same designs as shown in the palace of twilight and without a known way to get the dominion rod and final mirror shard. (though it is entirely possible to have the dungeon be uncorrupted due to its power protecting itself and a small area around it)
Great video analysis as usual and you bring up a lot of great points in this dungeon. By comparison, I feel that this dungeon is larger than your average 'mini-dungeon' but it doesn't strike me as large as previous dungeons in the game. Perhaps there was plans to expand this whole area that were cut during development? Judging by how vast 'The Twilight Realm' appears to be I get the sense of wanting to explore the area further with the islands in the distance (Given the recent Tears of The Kingdom Trailer I really get a sense of 'The Sky Islands' here so perhaps cut content in Twilight Princess may have made its way into the sequel of BotW?).
Very interesting and astute comparisons in the soundtrack here - the similarities to other areas associated with The Gerudo is uncanny but I think in Ganondorf's speech he seems to think 'The Twili' are a completely different race altogether according to him and a somewhat 'lesser race of people' in comparison to The Hylians who were seemingly more gifted magic users? Perhaps because of Hylia and The Three Golden Goddesses divine influence? There is a great deal of speculation about 'Twilight Realm' and 'The Twili' and a lot of it still seems as mysterious as the same tribe who apparently created 'Majora's Mask.' The symbolism of Majora's Mask and The Fused Shadow also seem to bare similar symbolism and there's possibly a connection there. The 'Eye Symbolism' on the Twilight Palace also seems similar to the iconic 'Sheikah Eye Symbol' and The Sheikah have been referred to as 'The Shadow Folk' so I think there is a stronger connection between 'The Sheikah', 'The Dark Interlopers' and 'The Twili' than other races in Hyrule. It also brings up the mystery of what happened to the man who had an 'Eye to see the Truth' whose house stood by the well in Kakariko Village and we all know that Bongo Bongo was sealed there... Was he a Sheikah defector who used dark magic and went mad searching for The Triforce?
The battle with Zant is also very unusual especially during the final round set in Hyrule as that two-sword style seems similar to The Garo from Ikana but his generally mad fighting-style has an uncanny similarity to fighting Majora - it adds more mystery than any sort of clarity of why Zant fights the way he does...
The 'Green-looking Energy' from The Twilight Palace also seems very similar to that 'Sealing Energy' we all saw in that first trailer for Tears of The Kingdom - does this hint of 'The Twili' being involved in some way? The outstretched hand reminds me of Midna. So many questions!
I meant to say 'bears a resemblance' not 'bare' lol
That intro tho 👌
10:16 My mom said the twilight people look like Marilyn Manson i was dying 😂
I remember feeling very anxious playing this dungeon because of the hand that follows you. Mom finally understood the darkness of Zelda when she was watching me go through some of the dungeon. She got anxious watching me play and even screamed when the hand came in clutch and dropped on me out of nowhere! Haha it was great. But honestly the symbol of the dominion rod reminds me of the alchemical symbol Pluto. That symbol represents given life, rebirth, hidden power, etc…So i think that’s very interesting they went with that route with the symbol. Its not the exact symbol but the marking is similar.
And im soooo glad i watched this video after i finished the dungeon haha because while i was playing i was connecting the dots from the palace of twilight to Botw and i was like “omg this all definitely linked”
remember that scene when midna climbed the pyramid like a spider? duuuude it looked just like the dark abominations the botw concept book had!! i feel like those scary abominations are from the twilight. I would like to see the twilight return. i can imagine them doing like a piano version of the twilit battle theme lol i wanna hear that. But anyway i’m so glad to see that im not the only one who thinks there’s a major connection! I think Midna’s people are the zonai. I also think her people is mixed race. Im thinking maybe its a mix of Gerudo and Sheikah? Midna does have very gerudo features and its almost a coincidence the mirror of twilight is in the gerudo desert
what im confused is how Ganondorf could possibly be the same Ganondorf from OOT since they have different ears. minor detail but i feel like that speaks a lot
I also remember Zants final words “Ganondorf will resurrect me” and i immediately thought of Kohga haha. His clothing is also very Zonai. I think botw is the twilight princess sequel the Zelda team was wanting
lol im 12 minutes in and so far you and i are on the same mind when it comes to theorizing this subject.
I think maybe Midna’s people also originated in Termina. I feel like there’s definitely connection between Majora’s Mask and Twilight Princess. Therefore these interlopers can be anyone from the land of Termina which also did have Gerudo and maybe Sheikah? That’s more of a stretch tho haha. this dungeon is definitely the most memorable for me.
The palace of twilight also reminds me of Sheikah craftsmanship. Looks similar to those shrines in botw
im definitely a bit surprised to realize Midna has no grudge against hyrule. If she’s really a gerudo i can see her mindset being the first step to the gerudo buying their trust back to Hyrule. Definitely a good leader
EDIT: another alchemy reference i noticed right away was “Sol”. thats also spanish for Sun but its also the exact alchemical Sol which pretty much explains itself. It represents the sun and also gold. I think Sol in this game is a bit more on the nose it has the circle in the very center
One of my most favorite dungeon music... the outside of the palace. :) so much lore about this Twilight world... But still , it leaves more questions than answers. I love the theories about it, but sadly the production team seems to be too shy and careful to give clear answers in the first place, they might be afraid to contradict their own zelda universe, therefore letting the fans to build the storyconnection to other titles. Something EACH zeldagame lacks of.
Maybe someday when ur BOTW Wednesday streams end, you can review each of the divine beasts and shrines on Wednesdays to keep the tradition going!
It's a nice thought, but I'll be dedicating Wednesdays to streaming.
@@CaptBurgerson 😭 seriously. I can’t wait till the day u review BOTW divine beasts and shrines
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Easy to get into this dungeon? That's so weird for this game lolol 😝 I don't think I ever did the cave of ordeals... YOU SAID TITULAR 😂 I always felt like this dungeon was pretty empty tbh... Visually it's very barren and the music is so haunting. I definitely hated having the hand chasing me 😂 that's a great observation about how everything is nearly symmetrical but not quite! Ooh good job picking up on the symbols shared elsewhere, that's so cool 👍🏼 dude the connections to BoTW!!! Ahhh!!! 😁 ZONAI 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 yo your arguments are always so convincing 😂👍🏼 I think it would definitely make the most sense for the twilight people to be made up of multiple groups of people who were banished. I think the synthy music is so cool heereeeee 💚 GIANT ZANT MASKS 😂 I guess they didn't feel very creative with that name 😂 I think it's funny how Zant is basically a hologram but you can still hit him... 🤔 Ugh I always hated the slow relentless following of the hands 😝 it creates such a sense of urgency that I really hate lol 😂 Master Sword Enhancement!!! Yeesssss love it always 😍 so the shadow beasts have glowing red lines, meaning they are under zant's control while the people Midna asked us not to kill had glowing blue lines 👍🏼 Throne room throne room Zant is no queen!!!!! 😝 Yeah, I love how interesting this boss fight is! It's really fun how incorporated it is! Lmao I love how he gets tired, poor baby 😝 I feel like Zant gets smaller than normal during the blizetta phase, he's so little! Also Zant's chopping motions in the final phase are very comical to me 😂 I always wondered if the fused shadows got to Midna a bit and that's why she popped Zant... Because it seems like a very large explosion of anger that isn't exactly characteristic 😝 the twili are like cute little marshmallow people 🥰 Another great video, burger!! Can't wait to see the next. ☺️
Thanks for the great comment!
I think with the fused shadows at the end there, that it was just a case of Midna not realizing how much she was capable of with those fused shadows at her disposal. It even surprises her how she killed him using such a small amount of the power at her disposal.
Great video! Love these dungeon deep dives
Also at the end of the game Minda’s real form could very easily pass for a Gerudo woman (further support for the theory)
Do you ever plan on song the 2D games? Would absolutely LOVE to watch your walkthrough of the 2 Oracle games
Yes, we'll get through the 2D games soon!
If a video is set to premiere then you can’t watch it even with the link on Patreon. Even if you already started watching it you still have to wait for it to release to continue watching it.
Hey very sorry about that. That’s correct, once the premiere is set up it won’t allow you to. I had hoped with the week in advance that would be ample time for everyone who has early access to get to it. Sorry. :(
I just remembered I had started watching it earlier in the week and figured I might as well finish it, unfortunately I realized that I couldn’t. It’s weird that RUclips does that. Since the video is uploaded I would imagine the video would stay unlisted instead of being unviewable until the premiere, but I guess RUclips doesn’t work that way unfortunately.
I think it’d be smarter to do the Cave of Ordeals after getting Zants heart piece
I don’t think it really matters. The only advantage to that is going in with a couple of extra hearts, but if you’re able to get through it either way then it really makes no difference
@@CaptBurgerson Better be safe than sorry
this dungeon feels like it has highs and lows compared to tower of the gods. i do like the sol orb puzzles but i would rather have it as one macro challenge goal in the dungeon and the latter half is very underwhelming.
I was so pissed when i made it to the Twilight realm. The whole game you're made to imagine what it may look like, this parallel world. Then you get there and it's just 3 floating islands. Where are the inhabitants? Where do the twili live and sleep? Why are these islands floating? Where is the surface? Where are all the twili?! From a world building aspect the twilight realm was a nightmare, just like the city in the sky. Simply lacking all credibility.
It IS just the palace of the Twilight realm, so it would be built to separate the rulers from the common folk. It's not an uncommon practice even to this day. The twili that are out and about are likely palace servants that survived and hadn't fully transformed into the beasts.
Keep in mind also that there was loads of content and ideas scrapped from the original build of the game. It was almost entirely overhauled from what was a nearly complete game. That version was demoed in the 2005 E3 and GDC, and the final version was released not long after on the GameCube and then the Wii.
It could have been longer, yes, but the previous dungeon was large and sprawling. This one comes immediately after. The tension, ambience, and oh-so slightly off kilter design of this place more than made up for it for a lot of people.
You are, of course, allowed your own opinions and feelings.