The NEW full PCV APR catch can! Is it worth it?! | MK7 Golf R
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The PCV's on these VW's is an abomination to engineering.
Agreed lol
I haven't seen many manufacturer pcv systems that are worth a damn.
@@Chris-vs2up stock one shits out costs 140$. Can get a brass check valve that will last forever, for 20$ from McMaster. It's over engineered junk.
@@Chris-vs2up there's a notch in it for air to flow through at the bottom of the "door"
I was looking at their catch can and should have grabbed it. I put a CTS one on with new IS38 HPA turbo etc and when cleaning my intake this weekend noticed a small, very faint spot of oil still in Turbo inlet!:(
I think you'll still get some in the inlet regardless. Some mist will always come through and collect over time
STEEL WOOL is your friend Hey dude I got a golf 1.8 tsi and thinking about getting the Apr delete plate and what not...now here's the kicker, as im watching your video theres some things that can be done differently I used to have a 1988 ford thunderbird turbocoupe which came with a 2.3 4cyl turbo from the factory, I had massive crank case ventilation problems and cylinder head ventilation problems with the stock pcv setup causing all kinds of leaks from seals and valve cover...however from factory the head ventilation line goes to the inlet pre turbo literally 3 or 4 inches from the wheel of the turbo inlet, the vent piece on top of the valve cover had some steel wool type thing stuffed in it from the factory which would catch most of the oil that gets caught up in the suction process from the turbo inlet and drips back down as it accumulates, only the tiny vapors would get through which is fine, now the crank case side of it had a similar contraption with an oil separator filled with the factory steel wool material but attached to the pcv which then from the factory attached to the Intake POST TURBO which is stupid because when the pcv malfunctions the crank case gets pressurized, I deleted that pcv and did the same thing and routed it to the turbo inlet pre turbo, no more oil consumption issues other than the fine mist oil vapors pre turbo but this can be solved by a pre turbo water meth setup to keep things clean, think I might just go ahead and get this Apr plate and do similar to what I did on my thunderbird when I'm ready to get it tuned...not anything fancy just an is20 setup
I like the idea!! Please post back up if you do it this way. Very interested!
@@BryceJordanProductions will do I'll save the video to a playlist and when I get it done I'll post a video and reply back to this comment, but what I described can be done on any boosted car, turbo or supercharged...but pre turbo/supercharger water meth injection is recommended just to keep things clean
Thank you for confirming i need a air oil separator that recirculates the oil back into the engine. Careful with aftermarket VW kits, seems they're just going to fill up.
034s has a drain back into the pan that’s a nice unit
Looking good man. You sure put in a lot of work!!
Always busy always wrenching man!
I had a Cts turbo catch can on my mk7 Gti I was drinking the oil I had to take it off is was bad
CTS is just bad in general IMO
I have a TS engine mount and my CTS catch can only has one mounting point. All of them use OEM mounts for mounting points.
What did you to do with the hose that was connected to the Pcv?
I know is deleted but do you leave the hole open or sealed for that hose,Cheers
what happens with the oil if you didnt have the catch can would it pass by the seals in the turbo causing it to smoke?
No it goes back into the turbo though and the engine burns it up and causes more buildup on the valves and residue all in your intercooler piping and on your boost sensors
What exactly is the purpose of the catch can? I know what they do but I thought you were running multi point injection?
MPI does indeed help keep the valves clean, and the catch can will also help some too. My stock PCV unit failed and would cause oil to dump into the engine and make big clouds of smoke. These catch cans replace that pcv plate and add in the can to catch the nasty stuff.
Good job and good luck this weekend. I had the 034 Catch Can, nice setup.
This video was made before the last I just didn't have the time to do all my testing beforehand. The weekend went great 🙂. Do you no longer run an aftermarket can?
@@BryceJordanProductions Bryce, I no longer have my car. After a major spinal surgery in Nov. '18, I was doing pretty good, then the area below my L2-L5(I have a titanium cage around them) in the sacral area stared bothering me a lot. Back to the surgeon, recommended therapy. It helped a little, but it bothers me all the time On top of that, I'm not a spring chicken(even though I act and feel that way), I'm 76 and have had over 20 sports sedans, sports cars and muscle cars. Just wasn't into driving anymore, so the car lives in CA. Two brothers the older one(also owns a 19 'R'') did all the talking for his younger brother who bought the car, They loved the car and everything that I did and had done, They flew into Philly They Uber'ed to the bank, where I met them then let the older brother drive the car back to my home, where the y loaded it up with all the parts going with the car and drove to CA. I talked to the older brother and he told me the car was flawless and got 34-36 MPG all the way out. The car got through the first emissions test and now they are putting the stock downpipe back on for the second test. So, I'm done, but I still follow my favorite on YT and Instagram.
“Is it worth it”...This is definitely something I want to know considering how the previous APR catch can catches NADA
It's very good 👌🏾
@@Chris-vs2up which is exactly what I don’t want. Want the catch can to catch the BS. APR should come up with a retrofit kit or something
I believe their giving discounts.. hitem up
Hi! Bryce. I installed a vortex xl on my 2019 gti and now I m just checking a big big blow by . Sometimes on drag races if brake was pushed hard a big anount of white smokes came out through the exhaust. So i decided to install a racing line catch can... and now car has always white smoke going out through the exhaust specially after decelerations. And no any oil is retained inside catch can 😅🤕😪
Sounds like it might not be blow by then.. pop the dp off and see if there is a bunch of wetness or burnt oil residue on the exhaust housing or dp. Could be the turbo, could be the PCV. Maybe turn the car on without the dp connected and keep an eye on the exhaust housing of the turbo if you see oil coming out it may be a bigger issue. But it's really hard to give advice without seeing it first hand. Are you in the EQT group? Maybe post a vid and tag me
@@BryceJordanProductions thank you so much Bryce! I did what you said.. and yes there is oil in the exhaust dp and all downside turbo housing. So i think turbo seals are broken🤓
Yeah that or something is blocking your oil drain. I'd message EQT directly, maybe get a warranty
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EDIT: 10:55. I'm pretty sure the reason they (APR) went with that clip is because the Racingline type of clamp degrades over time (years), becomes brittle, and breaks. Then it'll just be loosey-goosey and won't clamp properly.
Makes sense with the clip! Mine held up fine for 60 some thousand though. Little thing is super annoying lol. And yes!! Don't taste the juice 😂😂
So basically what I got out of this is that the APR one still has problems and isn’t much different than every other catch can for our platform with the exception of that metal tube on the top.
Well, no. It works and works great. Doesn't fill up my catch can like the RL did. This is more towards built motor people or those experiencing alot of blow by. RL did me great prior to built motor, that tube allows all the clean oil to go back into the engine wearas the racingline was filling up with fresh clean oil
I know this is a super old video, thanks for this! were blowing white smoke from your leaking issue? I did this same install a few days ago, the production date on my plate was December-12-22 (from the Q.A. label on the bag it cam in) and it's leaking terribly and when I get on it, big cloud of white smoke is why I'm asking. I just ordered the larger O-Rings and some high temp RTV to rebuild it, but was curious about the smoking issue I'm now having.. been following for a while, some of your reviews have totally came in clutch over the years!
Hey man thanks for watching!! I did not have any white smoke from the apr unit leaking, for me it wasn’t much of a leak it was more of a weap, wasn’t really a whole lot just annoying to see. But if it is leaking a lot that for sure could cause some smoking issues!
Under vaccum your turbo is probably sucking up oil from the crankcase into ur cc. VTA ur cc/pcv system and youll find way less oil in the cc.
I may have been.. but this fixed it 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
@@BryceJordanProductions nice, good shit.
Bro where you get that valve cover from ?👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
Took it to a local spot and had them do it 😄
@@BryceJordanProductions looks good bro
love your vids keep em coming from northern neighbors
Thanks man! 🤘🏾🤘🏾
Hey mate, I don't rate APR at all either. The racing line is far more elegant. Send racing line the broken APR one and get them to make it better :)
I should've 😂😂😂
These cars do not like power low end, general rule of thumb is do not get on the throttle unless you’re at 3k rpms
Kinda have to for data logs unfortunately
@@BryceJordanProductions true! Just meant for everyday driving and around town tho
Yeah definitely avoid that! LSPI is dangerous!
You work for Lockheed? I work for Northrop Grumman 😊…thanks for posting the videos. Maybe we can meet at an autocross someday.
Yes sir I did!! MQ-9 reaper maintainter 🙂 wife is active so when she got orders I had to leave. We’re out near VA beach now
How did you get on with the fuel line running through the MPI rail into the HPFP did you have any issues?
Nope never, lots of people do it this way
I just got this full catch can system and found two extra big screws with a ball head which is not mentioned at all in the instruction. Any idea on how to use them? Thanks!
They are to extent the points to which the engine cover attaches to. I never did it so I can't help too much
I have an APr catch can, yet the last time I opened up the Can it was complete clean inside. I have yet to drain any oil from it as well.. idk why?? most importantly haven’t had any oil consumption issues with it compared to without it.
Cause you have the old one that isn't really doing anything. It doesn't replace the PCV plate like this new kit...It's basically there for looks. It really serves zero function other then looks and to line APRs pockets with more cash.
@@BryceJordanProductions so would you would assume it is just bypassing oil through the can without leaving any residue of any kind.
No, just nothing's ever going in it cause the PCV is doing it's job
have you done a compression test and leak down test?
This is normal blow by on built engines. In the big turbo group there's people with far worse blow by then me. This is typical on big boost cars. I have friends who fill theirs in just the 1/8th mile lol
Hi! This catch can still work fine? Have you had any more leak problems?
It was great while I had this car! No complaints on function
Hi! My friend! Racing line catch can fid not worked fine on my gti! Always burned oil smells. So bad unit.
Apr works better than racingline? Or is it the same shit?
Best regards
Works better! But, at least the first version, leaked at the back of the plate. I think they fixed it now though
Lockheed Martin! 🙌 great company ❤️🇺🇸❤️
Love them 😊
Hi man, big fan of your vids. I am having the identical symtoms with a forged built motor and a big turbo setup and excessive oil blowby into the CTS catch can. I did 3 pulls and then felt something weird was going on and went to check the engine bay only to see oil sprayed all over the engine bay, apparently turbo sucked oil from the catch can. I was wondering if this is a normal phenomenon in these built engines and if you are still happy with your APR can. Also, did you do a compression test to see if the piston seals are okay?
Seems to be very common with built engines.. not sure why though.. the apr setup fixed it and I was very happy with it, besides the pcv plate slightly seeping oil but that can be Remedied with a bigger O ring for the silver tube.. unless APR has revised it by now (there was a mass of complaints)
I never did a compression test cause I knew it was going to be an issue as many many others have posted about it
@@BryceJordanProductions thanks. What’s the boost you are targeting on that setup? I am at 32psi
37 peak taper to 35 on the vortex and on the beta I was testing it was 45 down to 42
This video was 32tho on the standard vortex
@@BryceJordanProductions I am on Vortex XL and still in the middle of the tuning session with Ed, do you think I can run a higher boost than 32psi on 91oct with WMI?
Hi which one it could be a recommendation to choose the best oíl catch between racingline and apr? Or exist any one could do a better job
Apr will do best on a high boost / built motor application
Thanks for the answer
I am suffering with blowby on the old RL can - did this solve your issue?
Yup APR has a drain back tube, solved the can filling up in just a few pulls
@@BryceJordanProductions Thats good to know - I have one already on order from APR so fingers crossed that resolves my issue.
I was filling the tank full of oul after 50/100mi of Mexico/street driving.
What’s with the Lockheed shirt bro? You join the LM team?
Been Lockheed for almost four years 😉I got out of the AF in 18
@@BryceJordanProductions what site did you recently move to? I am in structural test in Palmdale!
I had to leave :/ only a few positions out here and I didn't fit the picture. I might wind up going school year and just deploy on and off till I find something stable and worth my time out here
Where do you end up moving to? Sad you had to leave Lockheed, it’s a great company
It really is great I'm really upset I had to go. Lady got orders to Langley in VA so we're in Hampton VA now. They had an F22 spot open for LM but it was sheet metal I'm a crew chief. Might tough it out for the summer with this new job then take a deployment slot if I don't find something better and closer to home. I'm driving almost two hours everyday it's rediculous. We used to live 7 minutes from base lol I was spoiled
Damn, yours and another guys leaks? Hopefully the new one resolves the QC issue.
I hope so too!
Bryce, I don't track my GTI, but I've been wanting a quality catch can setup. I've pretty much ruled out most PCV replacement systems as they seem to just allow excessive amounts of oil blow into the can, however I'd also love to get rid of the ridiculous PCV system. Would you be pretty confident the APR is the way to go at this point 2 months later?
Absolutely I do! Racingline was great too before I built the motor though both great options IMO
@@BryceJordanProductions Thanks Man! Appreciate the content as well! Really love seeing people push themselves and their cars/passion! It's also been helpful to me in my intro to the VW world (JDM Guy at heart). Looking forward to seeing more!
@@shadymf idk if what I’m going to say has to do with this but I just bought a 2010 Audi A4 Quattro 2.0T and it has 51k miles and it’s burning oil like crazy about 1qt every 350/400 miles, also there’s a bit of dark smoke coming from the exhaust under heavy acceleration but besides that the car seems to be working completely fine, no misfires, no check engine light or anything, also the car has a very small whine when accelerating slowly, I did some research about it and I found that it was the PCV not 100% sure about that, it’s my first Audi and my first experience with this 2.0T TFSI Audi/VW engine and so far my experience hasn’t been that good but nothing bad has happened at the moment, I still don’t know if is a better option to put the PCV valve of the 2015+ A4 models or go for a catch can, because after doing some research I found out that most of the catch cans if not all have flaws that can cause more problems in the future
Couldn't you use the hose from the other catch can? Instead of the hose running over
Maybe.. but I sold it so I wanted to include the proper lines
@@BryceJordanProductions o ok. Yeah cause if they both were -10 then it would of. But like watching your vids. Not alot of people doing vw's. Got a mk5 jetta 2.5l, just lot the mk6 I had. Got hit. But got plans on building the motor and trans and then turboing it. Keep up the good work and keep the vids coming.
First to Comment... All the way from South Africa, i am a hard core follower Bryce!!!
Ayyyyy wassup dude!!
@@BryceJordanProductions great bro, just keep 'em vids flowing dude, i drive an Audi S3 8v same colour as your MK7 i think... on some hectic budget mods
How do you keep your engine bay so clean???
Detail spray and time lol
And alot of pride 😋
not sure i'd switch if i had one from R-Line already...
I can't have a full catch can after every other pull.. I had to do something. This apr has that drain back valve and works great. Sucks to do it but it's function over form here
@@BryceJordanProductions yeah totally undertand that after watching the video and seeing the significant difference in amount of oil coming into the catchcan that's nuts how much less there is!
I'm more interested in the valve cover
Got it powered when I built the motor, nothing special!
APR Stage two
Today I removed my APR Catch can System
And reinstalled the PCV factory valve
I had so much positive pressure on the crank case that oil with spitting to the inlet pipe
After installing the PCV valve Everything seems OK I have vacuum in the crane case
I sent an email to APR about this issue and didn’t answer me yet for me this system it’s not working I don’t know what it’s wrong with !!!
Be careful before purchasing this system
I would like to get feedback from you if you have the same issue like me
Oil feeling cup when the engine is running open it
And you will see how much positive pressure you have it’s insane
That is very odd
I don’t know what the plate deleting but after installing it I didn’t have any vacuum on the crank case
I don’t know is it right that the APR system works like that or not didn’t get any answer from
Them
And my inlet pipe was always oily after installing this kit
After multiple Emails that I sent to them for this subject
@@Chris-vs2up So it is normal that I am feeling pressure when I am opening the oil feeling cup with this system
And there’s nothing wrong with my APR system
I solved the PCV problem technically.
1. Keep stock PCV system.
2. Install MANN+HUMMEL ProVent 200 Oil separator (3931070550) in between in PCV hose & Intake manifold connection
3. Drain oil or just install check valve & tap the oil drain vent to the engine sump.
4. No more oil blowoff into the intake manifold.
5.Max expense on this system is less than 150USD/-
I got a link for the oil separtor.
www.crossfilters.com/products/mann-hummel-provent-200-oil-separator-3931070550
I'm new to audi and have the apr catch can with pcv plate and within a month of having them on which might be 1k miles the catch can was about half full, kind of worried at the moment because my last car had an ls engine and if I didn't empty it for probably 20k miles it might just be under half full.
Nope that sounds about normal man. Most catch cans on other platforms don't replace the PCV entirely like this.. they T into the existing setup. In the summer racing months I was half full probably once a month or more depending on the humidity. Winter not as much but more water then oil or fuel
@@BryceJordanProductions okay. I'm in pa and it's still cooler in the morning and we have some warm days here and there . So once it is actually warm constantly ill keep an eye on that
@@BryceJordanProductions apr was of no help, answered my initial email and message on their Facebook page and haven't heard back since. Told them to nevermind i figured it out by myself don't need their help.
Email is your best bet for big companies like them. Facebook is too much to keep up with
Get a baffled oil pan man! Got rid of my blow by problems
iAbed is on the list $$$
How does the baffled pan solve blow by issues?
@@KXP70 I’m not 100% sure on how to explain it but this is how I understand it. A baffled oil pan controls the flow of oil returning from the cylinder heads to the pan and direct oil from the rotating crankshaft thus reducing crankshaft pressure and high crankshaft pressure is what causes blow by. That’s how I understand it at least. I could be wrong tho
@@BryceJordanProductions better get one ordered when you can. Mine ordered 3/15 and still waiting. Although Issam says manufacturer is completing them today so will "hopefully" ship next week. If you want in on this run better contact Issam ASAP. Not sure when next run will be. BTW - thx for the vid. Just grabbed my APR can from my shop today. Looking forward to getting it on
Interesting... Thank you
My first VW was a 1960 Bug with a 1200cc engine. We just purchased a 2014 EOS with 39K miles. I'm very unimpressed with the engine. 2.0 TSI. Not sure what the real name of the engine is? Anyway, direct injection is a horrible idea and I sid I'd never buy a DI vehicle. VW burns oil, down 1/2 quart in 600 miles. Lots of oil in the intake. Low tension piston rings probably have a lot to do with it. Has anyone figured out how to do a PCV delete? Change it so it's like the cars of yeseteryear where they just vented the blowby outside. It worked just fine. Dealer told us if the timng chain breaks, a new engine is $14K. If the head needs to be replaced only, that is over $5K. Ludicrous. My FIAT Abarth is solid as a rock, port injected, never any oil in the catch can. Zero issues and cheap to keep. Sorry we bought a VW but the convertible is fun to drive.
I'd get rid of that EOS asap.. they're nothing but issues and that first gen 2.0 it's riddeled with issues. Not sure if there's a pcv delete but a catch can helps. Terrible with carbon buildup regardless. The engines are called "EA888.x" x being generation. You have gen 1 the current is 3 and the mk8 will be the fourth gen. Great engines as of the gen 3, I wouldn't own a gen 1/2 unless I found one with low miles and maintained it myself
@@BryceJordanProductions We paid a bunch for the EOS but a local Dealer offered us close to what we paid for it. So it may go.
@@scotta9114 I bought a 2010 Audi A4 Quattro with 51k miles and it is in like new condition in the exterior and interior, but.. the car is consuming a lot of oil about 1qt every 350/400 miles, but the car seems to be working completely fine, no misfires or check engine light, I do notice that there is a noise not sure if like a rattle when I let off the gas pedal at low rpms which apparently is the turbo waste gate, but I don’t know what to do with the car at this point, the car is really nice and drives very good but the oil consumption problem is killing me and also everyone that I’ve asked about the car are telling me that I have to change the timing chain, and that’s about $2000 CAD and I just bought the car about a month ago and it only has 51k miles
Can I buy your old catch can 😁
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Looks like apr just thru that tiki together too fast. Not as good looking as it could be
I agree, but function is what I was after and it does it perfectly
Deleted the last comment, should have watched to see you say Racingline. From what I have seen online that seems to happen, which steered me away from them. Seems like the APR unit might be the best one so far.
Yeah APR is doing me great so far. I'll put out another video down the road if I ever have issues with it