WHY SOME BIRDS REFUSE TO STEP UP!
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- Опубликовано: 8 янв 2023
- In today's class we are working with an amazon parrot who will only step up for his owner ONE PARTICULAR WAY! Let's figure out why!
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What a lovely bird and human! This was so interesting and informative and I really appreciate that the participants are willing to have their training sessions filmed for all of us to learn from! Thank you to all 🥰❤ 🦜
I love so much that you acknowledged the bravery it takes these people to be on camera for the world!
To add to this comment... it's what the dog whisperer says" I come to train the humans!!"🐦🦜🐦🦜🐦💙💚💙💚💙💚💙
I agree with everything about this comment!! It takes so much bravery to be willing to participate on camera this way. These folks deserve praise for their contribution to bird training and improvement of well-being of birds in general!!! And yes, most of animal training is actually about training the humans. 😉
The Amazon parrot chattering in the foreground while her owner and Dave talk is so adorable to me.
They do love to vocalize! 🦜
How smart the bird is to understand that the two different ways the woman positions her fingers leads to either discomfort or comfort and to be able to adjust her own response to cue the human when the human doesn’t get it. They are so intelligent, and I know that example is only scratching the surface of their intelligence. Just incredible. People always think about cueing the animal but tend to forget that the animal is cueing them too. I hope this lady learned to slow everything waaayyyy down.
My 25 year old rescue amazone do not like me to touch his feet. It is a bad experience for him just as Dave explained. I am working on him not caring about it. So I pick him up and treat as I'm touching his feet and letting go. Its a one second thing. Now I can keep my thumb on his feet for a short period( 5 seconds) but I still treat him for it. I am now working on moving my thumb on his feet as Im treating him because i will have to hydrate his skin. I almost apply no pressure just contact. I have him for 3 months only great progress because I have been binge watching your videos 😄😄
That's great progress!
Is that exposure therapy basfually?
So many training sessions are about training the trainer and string the bird up for success.
Exactly!
“Training birds one human at a time.”
Really like how they emphasize not insisting but obtaining consent! No means no from wee birds also!
So interesting that most of the training you provide is training the humans!
And it sorta makes sense. For the most part the behaviors that we see out of these birds has been taught to them. Even if it's not the way we intended for it to come to fruition, the actions we get back from the birds are what was taught to them.
Like biting the target, or doing "incomplete" tricks. We consider them to be failed tricks because we know what we would rather have them do, but they can't read our minds or understand our speech. They bite the target because they were taught to bite the target to get the reward.
So much of training is being cognizant of every detail of what's occurring. You have to be aware of what your actions are telling the bird, not just what you wish the bird would do.
@@taylorhillard4868@angelamonyahan2627 its funny how that translates to other animals too! If you think about it the same goes for dogs (think cesar milan always says we train the human not the dog!) and it also applies to horses.
My bird refuses to step up. He’s 13 years old and a rescue bird who was never out of the cage before I received him. Now he’s out 70% of the time & if he doesn’t get out first thing in the morning, he’ll bring the house down with his squawking. I’ve been doing the clicker training now since December, prior to Christmas, & still he won’t step up. I bought the same clicker and got a few pairs of chop sticks from the restaurant we order from once a month and using them. He’s an awesome bird other than stepping up and wanting to move into other rooms with me.
This is a gorgeous bird and reminds me of a friends bird growing up. Same bird, same name, she got him when her father passed away,
This is a great video about so many things…not rushing, keeping just the tongue and upper mandible in play when offering rewards to a nippy bird and parrot thinking investigation..aka why the DYH only stepped up in that unusual way. …not wanting its toes pinned. Cool. Oh…not to mention the positive and interactive relationship based on consent built with a parrot companion.
I love seeing more Amazon's.....kinda miss seeing Stormy.
I miss him too.
I agree I love watching any Amazon training, Coco is now my shadow after my online consults with Jamie, she’s currently perched up on my shoulder resting one leg and watching Chico lol 🎉❤
@@claireharris6297 did you ever see the video they did with Tico and the Man? I think it was late August 2022. Tico is the Amazon who sings when one of her humans plays guitar (or when his dad plays piano). Tico really enjoys singing with his people and is constantly inventing new sounds and styles.
This was great for me. I'm fostering a 10 year old Senegal and she only stepped up on the day she arrived. We've been targeting successfully but she just won't step up, for me. She eill half the time with my husband. I wonder what her "triggers" are from her previous life. I have renewed confidence after watching this video.
Yay, I love that!
I absolutely love how you guys train the humans, you have so much restraint and patience in moments to help these owners. Absolutely think you’re amazing!!
Love watching master class videos!! Thank you!!!
Amazon parrots are so unpredictable I own 2 of them my female yellow nape is 45 and the double yellow head is in her early 20’s and she can be a little stand offish once in a while the older one is great she’s already passed the hormonal stage
I have now trained my parents to deliver treats to my macaw (hahns macaw) this way. And they no longer get bitten and my dad is less scared of him now. Thanks birdtricks!!!
Now to get him to stop plucking and wear a harness so i can take him outside as a treat! (Harness for safety as we have wild birds which could attack at any moment and we live near an off leash dog park so if he landed in the wrong spot free flying itd be really dangerous for him . - he is recall trained tho!)
Slow and steady.. beautiful to watch this Thank you..the trust needed is DEEP!!
My Blue crown conure goes directly to my shoulder when we’re training to step up. How do I stop her from going directly to shoulder instead of staying on my finger?
We have a double yellow head amazon parrot just like this one. The biggest problem we have had are his very sharp claws, which are like hypodermic needles, and make it impossible to pick him up by hand. When he was younger, we used to trim his claws regularly with a Dremel tool (less likely to draw blood than clippers, and you can get a nice soft rounded tip, unlike clippers, which still leave sharp edges), but to do this required wrapping him up like a burrito with a big white towel. He really disliked this process, and his blunted claws also made it a bit slippery for him to climb up and stay upright on perches , and so we have since stopped trimming his claws and thus can't offer him a hand or arm or shoulder or head to perch on like he used to do, because it would be like getting stabbed by ten sharp needles. I'm pretty sure he would step up to our hand/arm if we offered it, but we can't do it anymore with his sharp claws.
So, any ideas, recommendations? That's the key piece you leave out in this video - that parrots grow their claws out and automatically sharpen them! So there is no way to pick them up with your hand unless you have skin like a rhinoceros or you have first blunted their claws. How to blunt their claws without traumatizing them?
Such a sweet precious bird. Never let her go for any reason. We wouldn't let our child go....it always needs to be a life time family for your birdie...God bless you and Tico ...
Perfect timing for this video.
I love you guys and you teaching everybody how to listen their birds body language to understand them with these videos. It is amazing to see how you helping people interacting their birds the right way and helping them to build trusting relationships with their birds. You guys rock!
Love Amazons!! Really enjoyed this video and all the tips
excellent help
This is so incredibly helpful! Thank you so much for sharing this training session. It’s exactly what I needed to see to better train my little guy to step up. God bless you guys! ❤🙏
Love the content you guys! It would be helpful to have chapter markers in these uploads, for the future 😊
I have an idea for the clicker for you! Have seeds inside the clicker. Once clicked, a treat comes out into your fingers. If clicker is heald with fingers in, the treat will be very easy to introduce to bird. No more break away from concentration fumbling for treat. It will click into your hand. Sound ok!!?
I enjoyed to see
ok, so high as well on the treats/target to avoid biting. The reaching definately works, I tried it on my wild cockies & one that was bitting me really badly if I tried to offer a handful of food, after just a single session, was taking single sunflower seeds from my fingers without attempting to bite & now I can't do the reaching, cause if I sit on the ground with them, he sits almost on my lap, gets in REALLY close to me, seems to enjoy the interaction, not just the food. (he never did that at all until I did the treat without biting training)
I had a different one today, did the stretching for sunflower seeds again & then feeding lots of single sunflower seeds to reinforce the not biting, bird was definitely communicating with me strongly lol sunflower seeds had a few other random seeds in with them, when I gave a piece of corn, I got a bite to show the displeasure lol, didn't draw blood, but not super gentle either. I then tried to put my hand there to start to work towards step up & again I got bitten for daring to do that lol. I think i need to work with that cocky a bit more before doing step up training. Is hard, cause I've got 9 (mostly, sometimes 22) & I can't tell them apart, other than partly through behaviours, so not sure who I'm working with.
I have a Whiting True Blue I call Lavender, because..she looks lavender, smart, sweet, but of all my girls, the most “I don’t really want to be touched.” I do my absolute best to never put my hand on her in an aggressive manner, but always try to touch, or pet, and if she starts moving away, I simply leave my hand there so she can see i will never force it, and over the last two years, she’s grown more tolerant and won’t flee when she sees my hand coming down now because she “trusts” that the hand won’t try to force itself on her. This way I’m now able to sort of steal some pets on her when she hardly realizes (yeah right..she knows) I’m petting her.
What if my bird doesn’t like any specific treats enough to entice her?
If she presented her hand in the usual step up position but only her thumb up she might have success and no shoulder rushing.
Great tip!
What do you mean by shoulder rushing
the clicker sound is driving my budgies nuts lol
This is a really good and useful videos , I have question if you can help, I have a 3 months conior parrot I'm trying to start training it, she is flying all around and some times she answer my all and come to my finger and sometimes she flying all around, so how can control her and let her not to fly all around
How do you feel about using something like a concert conductor's baton instead of a chopstick? I am thinking something with a bit of a weighted handle would work better for a family member of ours.
I don't understand why the lady didn't set her down by going around the other side of the T-bar - the side closer to Dave. That would have fixed it.
This is great. Apart from millet, what can I use to reward my budgies? And can they also take it like this amazon parrot is taking it?
Nice
Watching you from NZ. Just got my first IRN. Can I train from 3 mths and how much treats (sunflower seeds) or time be given per session
Wish u guys from uk wish some one help me just like you guys do 🙁
how do i get my parrot to step up for i can get him out of his cage and train him to step up. i cant get him out his cage but when he flies out at times and hes on the floor thats the only time i can get him to step up.
What are the best treats to start with
I would love your advice! I just rescued an Indian ring neck parrot. She is beautiful but I don’t know her age or any history. She doesn’t like people too close. We struggle to move her or go near her. She just goes to fly away. Any info I would love!
Their contact info is usually on the description box and they can do remote consults.
As long as you watch BirdTricks your on the right track
Some common lies about parrot keeping
+ cage covers
+ seed diets
+ using cage as punishment
+ small cages (birds in the wild fly miles each day )
+ round cages are bad
+ hanging beds
+ indestructible toys
+ dowel perch’s
Good things to do
+ 12 hours (uninterrupted SO important) sleep + good quality pellets (bird tricks, tops and pretty sure Harrison’s is good too) + target training
+ recall training + refreshing water every day There’s are lots of others things but those are the main ones I can think of hope this helps to well really any bird owner
treat whenever you go near her/her cage, so she assosiates people with treats.
Be mindful of her feelings when changing food & water, cause you're absolutely in HER space when you do that. I put the food & water onto the doors with my rescues until they were ok with me in their cage to do it, by putting them on the doors, I could open the doors to change them, so I didn't have to enter their cage "safe space"
Once she's more settled & letting you go near her & give her treats without freaking out, then target train & once target trained, you can use teh target to move her around. I even used the target to get mine back into their cage when they got spooked & accidentally flew out of it, but were freatked out by any touch, so with the target, I could guide them where to go, so that they could get themselves back in independently. Targetting's REALLY important for everything else
Make sure food & sleep are good too, that makes training MUCH easier!
what treats are u using
I’m struggling with my 5 month old Quaker to step up so I’m going to try not saying it
How does the parrot not always fly?
I realize that I am late to this video. IMO, (nowhere near an expert) She seems like she needs to slow down everything. Her approach, her handling, everything. That's why the reach worked so well. After considerable time GAINING their trust, quicker actions may be fine, but at the start of building trust, slow down.
What do ya do if you have a bird that dont care for treats to train ?
We look at the main diet of the bird and usually it's not ideal for creating food motivation so we always start with changing the diet before attempting training. birdtricksstore.com/blogs/birdtricks-blog/diet-nutrition
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How do we sign up for a class?
Their contact info is usually in the description box. 🤩
do these guys actually have any professional training or is this just purely on experience
This older lady on the step up still isn’t offering the bird a choice..she moves her hand directly in so fast..I think slowing down and having her hand in a lower position farther away the bird would have more ability to feel like it was the one making the decision, somehow the speed she’s using seems like a command instead of asking..
Her feet look like they are peeling.
Why would you pick her up in her cage? That's stupid!
I don't know how you guys are so patient with the people. It's frustrating to watch. You should never offer a treat to a bird or any animal with your arm and hand all contorted with your palms facing up. You arm movement becomes restricted because you have rotated your arm upside down. YOu simply reach your arm out in one simple motion, treat betweet the thumb and index finger held above the hieght of the bird and the other three fingers held like a fist. No wonder the bird bites his owner. it is pretty close to asking to get bit.
I think she was rotating her arm as a defensive motion to somehow avoid getting bitten. The people who give permission for their sessions are being very generous to do so, so I wouldn’t be too harsh on them. I think most bird people love birds and tolerate people.
Bird training does not come intuitively for a lot of people, as birds do not communicate in the same or similar manner to dogs and cats. I don't blame people for not intuiting basics like your own body posture with birds, because I have to assume that half of their own posturing stems from fear and lack of confidence in themselves and trust in their bird, as well as not understanding the bird's body language. Dave's explanation of how the lower mandible cannot reach you if you hold the treat high seems simple and obvious, but it's an easy detail to miss when you're afraid of that beak.
Sweet lady but man this was frustrating to watch. It’s always important to do so much (and ongoing) research when you get any kind of pet ❤
What was frustrating? Was it that she wasn’t holding Chico for as long as she was supposed to?
@@spiritmatter1553 I think just how long it took her to understand she needed to move her fingers back 3 inches to give the treat lol.
That being said this lady seems so incredibly kind & I hope her family and friends treat her great 😭😂
It seems like the people you help can't follow instructions very well. It must be frustrating to tell them the same thing over and over.
It seems like people in general are not very good at training by default. Like they have a really hard time understanding the fundamental concepts like what the purpose of the clicker is, as well as having a hard time understanding what motivates animals.
It's more of a habit problem actually instead of comprehension. It's a lot , A LOT easier for newbies to learn and grasp faster due to the blank slate. And significantly harder for old timers to break off / unlearn accumulated bad habits.
I learned a lot in this one! Most important was how the mandible works. This is great so I can avoid getting bitten when I visit the parrots near me. Thanks! 🦜