This is one of my favorite kills in this game, the red lighting, the fact that you walk up to Nora slowly, the slow paced strikes, and Ellie’s demeanor after the fact, the rawness of the trauma that she just endured, and the absolute lack of emotion in her face with the realization of what she’s done this far
Ellie should have said that nora was just like joel when she said she wouldnt give up her friend. Joel never woulda given ellie up were he in the same situation. It wouldve been interesting to see her reaction to a reply like that.
07:48 - 08:48 shows the most important aspect of Ellie's dive into the abyss of revenge. She's gone at this point. Can't even grasp reality. Revenge has fully taking over her and to an unrecognizable sickening level. The trauma that Ellie went through in TLOU 2 was insane.
Yeah all that blood lust for revenge and suddenly she choose to let Abby go after all she does to get her... I love the game but the writers are forcing the forgiving your enemies part way too much.
@@anut8733 Definitely agree, but in the end I feel like, although she didn't kill Abby, Ellie got her revenge in a way, even though she didn't realize it. Abby killed Ellie's father figure and best friend, and in return Ellie ended up killing all of Abby's friends in her pursuit of her (save for the guy who got sniped by Tommy).
@@anut8733 That was the whole point though. The game showed both Ellie and Abby lose their appetite for what they each thought was so important at one time. Abby was Isaac's top lieutenant but she saw she was fighting for nothing. Ellie saw what chasing revenge was costing her and it just wasn't worth it anymore. It killed Jesse and cost JJ a father. It almost killed Tommy and she lost Dina and JJ. It caused her to sicken herself by torturing a woman and kill a mother and her baby. She lost a piece of herself and none of it made her feel better or brought Joel back. She thought it was what she wanted until it was put right in front of her. Happens all the time.
@@r.j.w7924Ellie gave up revenge and still lost everything. That means everything was pointless because she still didn’t get what she wanted. Abby got her revenge and it costed everything. Yet she still succeeded and was doing well, until she wasn’t. That’s where the frustration comes from. All that death and trauma, and she just gave up after already sacrificing everything. The game and story is amazing but it gets worse the further we go imo. Yes Joel suffered the consequences of his actions, we understand it morally. But what the developers needed to understand was that the vast majority of players from the first game went through that hospital and retrieved Ellie with relief on our faces.
Nora: “You shoot me the sound will have every soldier come running.” Me, who fumbled a brick with a molotov and had to become Home Alone Rambo reaaaally quick: “…now you’d assume that.”
Still mad we where robbed of the choice to kill abby in the end. Id also smoke Lev just to make sure no one was left to follow Ellie. It was fun letting abby die through the story though.
@@Victoria-ff9lv I didn't hate Abby, but they fucked up bad by not making it a player choice. Plus it would be interesting to see how many people were swayed into sparing her, as I would have.
@@reservoirfrogs2177 its not the players choice because its Ellie’s story, not the player. no one complained about the first game having no choices yet everyone says this about the 2nd game.
@@stevieasdfghjklable Yeah like imagine a last of us where Joel has a choice whether or not to save Ellie and the consequences of that months or years later.
Bro I loved the part where they follow Ellie down. Sucks you don’t have the same experience, because the moment I knew clickers were there. I caused straight pandemonium and had them attack the soldiers while running around beating them up. Dealing with the Clickers afterwards too. Absolutely epic
When they drop down and go "The fuck's the power doin on?", they're referencing when Abby went down earlier and turned on the power to get through the airlock doors when looking for the surgical kit.
@@discogypsyfish9577 Joel did what he did to save Ellie. The Fireflies misled both of them into thinking that Ellie would live through the operation, and they refused to let either of them make peace with the fact before going through with it, or choosing not to sacrifice Ellie’s life for the cause. They even beat Joel up and led him out for execution when he tried to stop the operation. Nora is utterly remorseless, even smug, for helping brutally murder a man who rescued and accommodated her and her friends and whom Ellie clearly had a close relationshipo with. She had no personal connection with Joel’s killing. I can understand Abby’s anger, but Nora had no reason to jump on the Joel-hating bandwagon. Nobody should take pleasure in killing, even if it’s for justice, which it really isn’t in this case. Joel and Ellie were entitled to a choice and to a proper farewell, at least. Nobody was entitled to Ellie’s sacrifice for a possible vaccine.
@@georgeofhamilton it's established in part 2 that the fireflies weren't aware they couldn't produce a vaccine without killing the subject until Ellie was literally there, they didn't mislead anyone. Abby's dad doesn't want to tell Joel because he's worried he'd try to stop them (he should be) but Marlene goes out of her way to give him so kind of closure. They also weren't going to execute Joel you have completely made that up, he was being escorted out of the building. Is it morally wrong of them to not wake her up and check she was ok with it? Maybe idk, what if she says no? Are they supposed to abandon the only hope of saving humanity? Not saying they were correct, or Joel was wrong, can't say i would have done differently in his position. But it's not black and white. Also Nora 100% has every reason to want Joel dead, they were all childhood friends so obviously they would've had a relationship with Abby's dad, Abby says to Mel that she was her dad's favourite student, it's reasonable to assume the Nora was his student as well and saw him as a mentor figure, much like Joel was to Jesse. Not only that but Joel kills a lot of guys on his way to stop the surgery, who knows how many loved ones her and her friends lost that day. These kids were born post-outbreak, the infected world is all they've ever known and Abby's father was supposed to fix it. Joel ripped that away from all of them for his own selfish reasons. The fireflies who have been actively waging war on Fedra for years largely disband after this because they have no purpose or hope anymore, Abby and all of her friends and no purpose or hope. Again Joel took that away from all of them. Nora also feels something about Joel's murder, whether it's remorse or not is unclear but she says she hears his screams every night, just because she defends what they did to Ellie when confronted doesn't mean it hasn't affected her. So nah I don't think Ellie torturing Nora with a pipe is "deserved". Deserve doesn't exist in this world.
Real attention to detail, notice how Ellie is overwhelmed by the internal pain but the moment the rag hits her shredded back... she exhales and drops her shoulders, almost relieved. The physical pain yanks her back into herself and she starts processing the trauma, reflecting on it. It's shame they skipped the good part w/Nora though.
Were we seriously supposed to feel bad for Nora after calling Joel a little bitch and CELEBRATING his death? I don't know why Neil thought this would work
@@bumblebeeman2103 Confused here... Joel killed so many people for a very selfish and if anything mentally broken reason.... yet we sit here and Justify the fact that he lied to the person going on a rampage when in turn what happen to Ellie had happen to Abby way before hand. No one is truly right but overall... Nora had every right (technically) because what Joel did to the Firefly camp was utter trash.
@@Hopkins8564 nobody gives a sh#$ about other characters in this game. Literally sounds like some sjw sh#$ to care about the emotions of someone else who is a imaginary person.
Revenge is a dish best served cold and damn did Ellie get them back. It just goes to show how a difference in perspective changes everything. Amazing game that allows you to experience the emotions and experiences of both sides.
People with no media literacy. They play the first game and feel empathy for the character they played as (which was intentional by the developers) and then feel angry that the entire point of the story goes against the emotions they've developed. It's the same kinds of people that think Tyler is some sort of rolemodel in Fight Club. They miss the entire point of the story they're supposedly absorbing.
@@out6of6my6mind I didn’t enjoy the plot of TLOU2 and that’s okay it’s subjective. Abbie was a poorly developed character, and I think it could have been executed much better but it fell flat. I think people can have differing opinions that’s part of art/ entertainment.
@@unwashedheathen4897 The point is "revenge is bad" which a child could think up. We've been with Ellie and Joel from the start. It's natural that people would root for them, and not their enemies.
@@TheSonOfDumb that is not the point. That is a purposely base reductive view of the story that you could apply to any story that has ever been created since the end of time. Give me a story you like I will easily reduce it to an elementary level lesson because that's just how stories work.
This game got so much hate in the beginning and seeing it now get more appreciation is great. This really was a brutal story from start to finish. I applaud the studio for taking a chance on such a turn in the story mainly because the discussions and debate it has triggered have been interesting and enlightening.
@Rat Reborn Nothing about this game is even remotely close to the writing and pacing of the first game and most fans of P2 will even admit it’s inferior. P2’s pacing is fragmented at best and an utter mess at worse.
@@carloszestyboy2901 actually insane, game shits all over Last of Us 1, Gameplay is far better and way less boring, story is less boring, also what pacing issues? Games solid all the way through, Part 1's entire first 1/3rd of the game is boring as shit, take off the rose tinted glasses.
They didn't show Nora's reaction, just because the focus was showing us ELLIE'S reaction... How dark she was becoming. When Joel died, the purpose was make us hate Abby, that's why they showed not just Ellie's reaction, but also the gore and violence, cause we were in Ellie's shoes. In Abby's perspective, the camera shows much more Abby's face, just like in this scene where Nora dies. Think a little bit, bro.
@ed ed That is fucking SCARY that you can't extrapolate that all the other fireflies (how many people are dead because of him) might have had friends and family they cared about to. You need to SERIOUSLY grow up and gain some perspective. Your limited thinking is intensely childish.
@Christian Stewart Why the hate on Joel in the firelies? All they had to do was to consent Ellie and Joel for sacrificing for the greater good not taking that decision for themselves. Joel was completely justified in his actions.
@@Dragonfury3000 People overlook that fact way too much. What really set Joel off was that they didn't give Ellie the chance to make the choice herself, and were being complete dickheads to Joel for literally no reason and threatening him for just being concerned for her. Every time I see people rag on Joel for what he did, that detail ALWAYS gets looked over and it makes no sense. If Ellie were to awaken and give full consent to the operation, then this would be a completely different scenario. Hell, Joel may very well let her go through with it, reluctantly of course, but knowing that it's her decision would have given us a different ending in the first game. In this case where she was never given a chance, I can absolutely understand why Joel did what he did.
Ellie is a monster, really. I mean, imagine her from the perspective of these people. She isn't just a dangerous combatant, she isn't just ruthless, but she can even breath in apores.
ellie being the bogeyman i am fine with, but she should have killed abby, damn the "lesson" learned at the end, you can reflect and repent AFTER its done. Ellie killed hundreds to get to her, then lets her and her trans go. She should have left lev alive, but kileld abby
I never bought why Abby’s friends had the same amount of hate for Joel as she did. They p much just followed her to follow her but no personal stake either
@@BlueMoonlight777 They state they all had family working at that hospital when Joel killed everyone. They were all young soldiers not on active duty who found out later.
The thing I really don’t get about this whole story in part 2 is why do Abby’s friends have just as much hate for Joel as Abby does? I’m reality Abby should be the one that hates Joel and her friends are just supporting her because they’re a group. But they all seem to hate Joel with a passion even though all they know about him is that he killed Abby’s father. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Exactly, and Joel may have even killed some of their friends too, not to mention destroyed the possibility to fight the cordyceps with a potential cure or even vaccine. And just as Nora says: “There are no fireflies anymore“, also because of Joel. They have a lot of reasons to hate and being willing to kill him…
@@cineastik8220 But there are more fireflies, right? Abby gets on the radio with them at the end and takes her boat to Catalina island to meet them. I guess the aren't on speaking terms with the fascists in Seattle....even though lots of them are ex-fireflies...unlike the original game, this one doesn't survive much analysis.
@@smoberley maybe they aren't on speaking terms with Seattle's ex-fireflies because it's 20-something years after the apocalypse and it's not like they can just ring them up?
It's because Ellie was the solution for a cure, humanity could have been saved and civilization rebuilt. Joel, out of his love for Ellie as almost a surrogate daughter for his own daughter Sarah, killed them all including abby's father and prevented that from happening. Joel ruined humanity's best and only chance at curing the fungus that had torn the world apart. He did it out of love but the way they see it is he did for selfish reasons that doomed humanity.
@@charlieparklaws The complaint is that if you are willing to go this far, then follow through. If you kill HUNDREDS of people in pursuit of revenge dont shrug and go 'nah' at the very end. Get revenge or dont, just follow through.
@@waxerwaer9700 Except the first game did the same thing Joel killed a bunch a people to deliver Ellie which would find the cure, but it was for nothing in the end.
People in the comment section… jeez I mean you love Joel and everything that happened in part one, but you have to understand that he killed a lot of people for a selfish reason and I’m not speaking to justify his demise I’m talking from the point of view of the other characters that suffer because of his choice
The best part about the story is how fucked up it was. It would not have been a memorable story if everyone did the justified actions. It lives and haunts me inside in the most beautiful way for how tragic and horrifying it was. 🖤 I’m so glad it’s being told to a larger crowd than just us gamers.
It's just going to piss off non gamers just as much as it pissed off 99% of the actual gamers that played it. That is if anyone even watches season 2, since most people know how terrible the second game is. My bet is that there will be big changes by HBO
@@Jg-be7it I didn't know that 99% of people can't take criticism and immediately turn into crybabies when things don't go their way. They can't stand it when their own idol is deconstructed. To deal with something like that, you need a healthy dose of self-reflection. Instead of questioning the character, his actions and themselves, they simply blame the video game.
@@ZIMBO37333 99% of people just don't like terrible stories, bad writing, and bad character development. Your pseudo-intellectual babble wasn't even amusing.
I wonder how Bella is gonna do on the second season with Ellie, because it's definitely more dark and it's almost like Ellie is a different character than before. Also I wonder how they are gonna make her look older
@@mooncookies7803 she's fantastic but i think with the level of violence in part II they'll be better off casting someone in their 20s. House of the Dragon did it last year and it worked really well.
For someone who is so cowardly throughout this ten minute chase, she seems rather strong willed in the idea of no selling out her friend. Also everyone is making arguments about how Joel deserves his fate or not, doesn’t matter which side you’re on, your arguments and emotional invoked thoughts are exactly what the game creators wanted you feel.
Ellie is in two completely different places mentally at this point in the hospital and at the Beach though, were this Abby here she would have killed her. After this she then finds out the reasoning for why she kills Joel, is spared by her and the kid she has taken under her wing (again) at the theatre and then at the beach proceeds to find that not only has her "lover" and all of her friends been killed by herself and Tommy but her and Lev have been captured and brutalised by the Rattlers. I think she sees some of Joel in her in the way she immediately goes to Lev after being cut down and at this point her fighting Abby is purely about having some sort of control over her life/story (she had no control over what happened to her when she was bit, no control over what happened with the hospital as neither Marlene nor Joel gave her a choice, she had no control over Joel's fate and then her, Tommy and Dina were again all at the mercy of Abby again in the theatre with Ellie totally out of control and they only live because of Lev and who Abby is now) At the beach she wins the fight and finally has control over a major life event - whether Abby lives or dies and this is when she sees Joel sitting on his porch with his guitar as opposed to on the floor beat to hell like she has previously, she is finally in a position to write her own story in a way and chooses to let Abby go and forgive Joel for the choice he made as what would killing Abby now achieve besides also killing Lev by proxy. She makes the choice Abby should have made years ago and also the choice she should have made before going to Seattle arguably. Just because she did awful things on day 1-3 in Seattle doesn't mean she needs to keep doing them. That's my 2 cents, I didn't like the ending much at first either but on repeated play throughs I've come to love it and really hope for either an Abby/Lev DLC to set up Part 3 or for Abby and Lev to play a fairly major role again in Part 3
Druckman is a good writer, and he wrote a good story. But it was the wrong story, from the wrong viewpoints, in the wrong medium, even though "revenge destroys you" is a solid theme. I think the mixup is that the characters needed to learn that, and us through them, but trying to make the player a direct participant, in a game that requires and rewards you for mowing down hundreds of people, didn't ring true, and made it lack catharsis. Ending the game after Seattle, (and giving Joel a death that reflected his cautious nature, not relying on him helping and trusting strangers) would have let the themes breathe without being swallowed by the medium.
The ending was nonsense to me. One quick flashback makes her want revenge again. Then, another flashback stops her. Felt like a rushed way to attempt to portray "we must stop the cycle of violence" and give us the downer ending they were going for.
And the wrong characters to make and use. He tries to establish the surgeon as a father and sympathy for Abby after her eavesdrop in the room. Abby sparing Ellie after killing Joel in front her eyes. The surgeon doesn’t really show what can he do other than saving a Zebra which just paints him as a veterinarian. He could’ve been like a mycologist in flashbacks and be way more believable that he could make a cure. His determination to sacrifice Ellie is alright as it shows his determination as he wants the cure to protect his daughter in the future, as he know many of the people he knew died of the infection. Abby seemed too hell bent knowing that her child-murdering-father died because someone fought to protect them. Someone said that Marlene should’ve been Abby’s mother or adoptive mother and her death would make a better motivation for Abby. Abby and her group could’ve been looking for like the person that had wiped their group but do not know, and we the audience, won’t know who were they hunting till it is pieced together. Abby would’ve been at least reluctant to kill Joel after he helped them out, but the group of ex-fireflies would reassure her that they’re killing the person that ended their organisation of the greater good. For their dead friends in that hospital. Abby should’ve been at least haunted in her kill for vengeance, and it would’ve made much more sense for the final confrontation between Ellie and Abby and wouldve reinforced the message of “revenge destroys you.”
The first time I played I was anger cause Abby did what she did, but if you look with an open mind, we can see that it´s just two sides of the same story... can´t pick a hero
The writing is pretty bad in this game because it wants you to feel bad for someone that you hate in its purest form right from the start and that just doesn't work. Abby should kill Joel with just a gunshot out of rage not torture and we could still emphasize with her. This kill we see in this video was completely justified because she was traumatized with Joel being tortured.
Yeah lmao it makes you play half the game as the person you hate most. The whole time playing Abby I’m just thinking. “Idc. You killed Joel” the amount of times I purposely died as Abby
@@tvscribe the point of view on "you're supposed to hate Abby the whole time" is unvalid because the game clearly wants you to see her good side. Joel did bad things to survive which is alot diferent.
@@tvscribe TLOU2 was character assassination on both Ellie and Joel's part, and if you aren't too blind to see past all the virtues signalling bullshit you can see how trash the narrative is
Jesus I can't wait to see Bella go ape shit on the show... She's going to be perfect for these intense scenes. Too bad we're going to have to watch Pedro get his head smashed though, AGAIN!
Nora:im fucking dead anyway why would i tell you anything. Im not giving up my friend. Ellie a few moments later: I made her talk. (while crying) that shit was so impactful first time i saw it.
I now know why I didnt like this game as much as the first one. You have less choice in actions but you are still held accountable for it as a player. Which makes you more of a spectator than a participant in the game. It was a mistake in design in my opinion.
@@hamish8790 You have no media literacy whatsoever. The reflection on the cycle of violence is a direct commentary on a players willingness to do it themselves, and the lack of consideration players take in doing so. Its been a basic element of "triple a" story games since Bioshock. Druckman himself has said as much. I think anyone who looks at video games when analyzing their themes and does not take into account the fact that games are inherently participatory experiences has an IQ below 10. Its painfully fucking obvious how badly Druckman wants to comment on players capacity for violent action. Whether you think thats stupid (which I do) or brilliant or whatever is irrelevant. The problem here is that "dude revenge is like really bad lol" doesn't work at all on a conceptual level in a video game because if the player refuses to engage in a certain action, that means there is no game anymore. Druckman wrote a story for the wrong format. Pretending like he wasn't trying to force the player to think about their own actions is just unbearably stupid.
I get that people have mixed feelings about the plot and character actions. Even in these situations a lot of their violent actions just don’t have a good enough excuse. But, it’s a game. A violent game which requires the main characters to be violent. And you can empathize with people even when they just act without excuse. They portray the emotions very well, and it’s not impossible that people could feel, reason and act like this. Then there is inconsistencies. One character is treated one way and another which might “deserve” a certain fait and that it becomes inconsistent when brutally killing and torturing some people as simply a means to an end and then not doing it to the one you’re really after. But such inconsistency could happen within a persons judgement. A single persons judgement isn’t necessarily consistent and their character arc may make them change their mind. Though if we take a step back we might ask, if the person made good decisions. Probably not in this case. We can still clearly empathize with them though. But in a society with any amount of justice system we should probably still want to lock them up. Lawlessness is what it is but even in this kind of state I find it hard to believe that people wouldn’t have some sort of information channels that would inform people about people this violent just walking around. When survival is harder, killing people is in a sense a bigger crime, though people might also care less because there is so much death everywhere and trying to bring justice in one case might feel like a drop in a bucket. All in all, maybe I would have wished for Ellie to have had a different kind of character development, but the story is captivating for sure and you feel her struggle even if she should probably be locked up for life.
Honestly… this game portrays emotional instability for Ellie. Yes I get the over arcing theme of revenge and all that, but if you choose to seek revenge and then “hit an Epiphany” at the very end to try and save yourself from going all in, then she did NOT clearly think this through from the start. To me, Dina did not mean that much to her if she chose to throw a future with her away and then not finish what she started. If I were to make up my mind and plunge myself into total darkness for vengeance, I would go all in. This sUbVeRtEd ExPeCtAtIoN bs is something I feel they got from dumb and dumba$$ watching GOT. Also, TLOU1, Joel did not know the other test subjects would die in the process of finding a cure UNTIL they got to their final destination. So saying that he “backed out” at the last minute after killing so many in between like Ellie is not true. Had he known that was Ellie’s fate, the game would had ended halfway through as Joel would had made up some excuse to change course to save Ellie. So it’s not a comparison. 1/10 for terrible story writing.
@@iwillcontactattorneygenera1078 have you seen people getting grinded alive? Or having their intestines literally ripped from their bodies while being alive? idk but you probably haven't seen the many creative ways one can be killed lmao
@@iwillcontactattorneygenera1078 i believe ellie could have fed nora to some infected, then chopped her body parts but allowing her to still be alive and feel all that pain before finally destroying her skull with a grinder. it would be an absolutely fabulous death
I do, she’s hypocritical and a coward. Not saying that Ellie isn’t also hypocritical but Nora obviously has zero self awareness with the group participating in torturing Joel for fun/revenge situation. And she did end up snitching
This game would've been epic if they just gave the player the choice at the end to to show mercy or take revenge. Don't think anyone can really trash this game playstyle wise other than minor things but no one was happy with the ending. The people defending the ending are 99% internet trolls just trying to get a reaction from people. After Joel dies the fans of the series kept playing because they paid a ton of money for the game and they also wanted to see Ellie kill the hell out of Abby. The fact that you don't even get that satisfaction is Naughty Dog literally bitch slapping the fans with their greasy nutsacks while waving the money they stole from fans.
I had to specifically lay it down to my family that if they watch me get beaten to death... they avenge me with fire and brimstone and not think for a second, "he'd want me to forgive you" because i wouldn't 😅
Ellie is like a modern-day Robin Hood, except instead of stealing from the rich to give to the poor, she's killing anyone and everyone in her path, except for the one person she has a personal vendetta against. And why spare Abby, you ask? Oh, just for the sake of a "movie moment." How touching. It's truly remarkable how Ellie's character arc makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. She's perfectly fine with mowing down innocent people who are just trying to make ends meet, but when it comes to the one person who actually deserves it, suddenly she's all about forgiveness and redemption. Give me a break.
watching the show im really just like "why does joel have to kill everybody?" like, why is he just so murderous? and nora is like, "think of how many people are dead because of him" like, i know its apocalypse, its kinda kill or be killed, and they were gonna kill ellie and kill joel to do it but- idk
as someone who played the first game and i loved it, joel killed a lot of people but as you said they're going to kill him, and somehow the last of us 2 kinda brainwashed their fans into believing that joel deserve what he got but seriously the people he killed were going to inject ellie with a cure that 50/50 will work, they had so many girls or boys that could sacrifice but they choose the newbie outsider which was Ellie, and yes she accepted to be tested but a kid will never know their cruel intentions. and now we have so many people defending abby for killing joel
@@oussamaqouiyd9818 the "dozens of immune boys and girls" was just a lie joel told ellie plus the voice recording that ellie found contains info about herself being the only immune person ever discovered and it would be a miracle if they found another one like her. also they were not going to inject a cure into her body because the cure was supposed to be created using her brain matter
I don’t mind the story of Joel dying and Abby getting mercy. But the story is so inconsistent especially from their character. Trusting strangers, killing Nora but showing Abby mercy. It just didn’t make sense and I think that’s why so many had an issue with the story and progression. Gameplay an graphics 10/10. Plot 5/10.
I like to pretend its an alternate universe. first game was about story, and amazing gameplay. Second was about manly women and "oh no violence is bad" Which is funny, They paint joel as bad as hes killed people, but the ones saying it are also killers -_-. Also the whole ellie killing nearly everyone, to just let abby go is just so retarded. Then at the end in a dream or something shes like "i cant forgive you joel." yet she forgived some manly hoe who just killed her father figure....ok.
@@kingcamelot1395 indeed it has. This video was suggested to me by youtube, so i watched it... Clarify please how i have to grow up because i disliked a game? You are grown up because you enjoyed it? Accept the fact others have different opinions and you grow up.
@@kingcamelot1395 I think I can say whatever the fuck I want. The subject is the last of us ….so we can talk about if it was good or bad or something in between . I served 10 years in the military . Infantry …. Iraq and Afghanistan I’ve done more “growing up” then You could ever do . So STFU.
Such a great scene. I think anyone who has played TLOU 1 and 2 can relate to this moment. Because anyone with an appreciation for the games would do something like this to Neal Druckmann if they were locked in a room alone with him.
@@teddyzaehmer You're right, now that I think about it, what I said was wrong. Fans of the game would use a golf club, not a pipe. More fitting. Thanks for the correction.
@@awesomness36 If you liked this game, that tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of good storytelling. The story for this game was so bad that it literally singlehandedly destroyed the franchise. It's hard to imagine how you can blow it that bad.
Looked this up again because my kids are making me watch the TV show. TLOU2 is brilliantly acted, with clever set pieces, great graphics, and intriguing gameplay. In other words, a lovingly polished, pretentious, self-important, *turd*. At some point in Druckman's head, we ceased to be his customers and instead became students, and his mission became to teach, rather than entertain us. And that lesson? You MUST BUY THIS GAME BECAUSE ITS IMPORTANT. If you don't like it, YOU'RE BAD. Ellie in this game is an entirely different person than she was in the first game, and the explanation for that, is she's Super Mad because the guy who denied her her "purpose" (who she was pissed at) gets killed? So, instead of working to fulfill that purpose in any way, she becomes this hate-filled, utterly evil, 100 pound teenage girl death ninja, way more badass than Joel ever was? Yep, shit. If she was really such a selfish, hateful piece of shit, she would have thanked Joel for saving her instead of being angry at him. But the shit plot needs to happen, so a girl in a world filled with death, violence, suffering and tragedy, who believed she had a higher purpose, instead decides to make more of what the earth already has? Shit. No, it makes sense, right? She's got this PTSD from his death and the only cure for it is to go full Rambo and kill Abby....What?! That's the most shit thing ever. The cure for PTSD is NOT a murder mission, mister Druckman, you high-minded leftie evangelist asshole. There's a liberal message for you...trauma survivors are completely hateful, unstable, and dangerous. Just like religious people. The idea that Ellie would or could act that way has ZERO plot support and given what we know about the world, the idea that she and her pregnant girlfriend would even think it was possible is COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS. And the same goes for Abby. She's the daughter of a guy who is going to save the world, and when he gets killed, her purpose becomes hate and murder and all of her friends go on this insanely perilous, unlikely, completely pointless, murder mission? OK. Again, thanks Druckman. Trauma sufferers have superhero powers and are insanely dangerous. GOT IT.
This is one of my favorite kills in this game, the red lighting, the fact that you walk up to Nora slowly, the slow paced strikes, and Ellie’s demeanor after the fact, the rawness of the trauma that she just endured, and the absolute lack of emotion in her face with the realization of what she’s done this far
The tension in this scene gosh
Literally unclenched my jaw after watching this
I just love how Ellie can always have this advantage of not getting infected.
right lmfao everytime she uses it it’s just so badass
The realization when the person sees that Ellie is perfectly fine amidst the spores, it never gets old
Ellie should have said that nora was just like joel when she said she wouldnt give up her friend. Joel never woulda given ellie up were he in the same situation. It wouldve been interesting to see her reaction to a reply like that.
Whose Connie?
@@noturmum7967 nora sorry
What Ellie SHOULD have said to Nora was "Now I'm about to show you what I see in my dreams..."
You totally right Joel would have never Givin up ellie
She did give up abby though, she gave up under all the pain, joel may have been a piece of shit but she got what she deserved.
One of the most cruel and terrifying moments,I can't wait seeing it in a future series season.
I wonder how they’ll do this though, since they’ve omitted spores from the series
@@lisak8492 They've said that spores could come back recently.
@@lisak8492one way they could do it or to re introduce spores is that it’s in underground environments only maybe ?
That’s cause you’re a sadist
can't wait to see Ellie destroying Nora.
Ellie is such a badass in this game.
“I made her talk.” Hit me a little too personal.
07:48 - 08:48 shows the most important aspect of Ellie's dive into the abyss of revenge. She's gone at this point. Can't even grasp reality. Revenge has fully taking over her and to an unrecognizable sickening level. The trauma that Ellie went through in TLOU 2 was insane.
Yeah all that blood lust for revenge and suddenly she choose to let Abby go after all she does to get her... I love the game but the writers are forcing the forgiving your enemies part way too much.
@@anut8733 a-fuvken-agreed
@@anut8733 Definitely agree, but in the end I feel like, although she didn't kill Abby, Ellie got her revenge in a way, even though she didn't realize it. Abby killed Ellie's father figure and best friend, and in return Ellie ended up killing all of Abby's friends in her pursuit of her (save for the guy who got sniped by Tommy).
@@anut8733 That was the whole point though. The game showed both Ellie and Abby lose their appetite for what they each thought was so important at one time. Abby was Isaac's top lieutenant but she saw she was fighting for nothing. Ellie saw what chasing revenge was costing her and it just wasn't worth it anymore. It killed Jesse and cost JJ a father. It almost killed Tommy and she lost Dina and JJ. It caused her to sicken herself by torturing a woman and kill a mother and her baby. She lost a piece of herself and none of it made her feel better or brought Joel back. She thought it was what she wanted until it was put right in front of her. Happens all the time.
@@r.j.w7924Ellie gave up revenge and still lost everything. That means everything was pointless because she still didn’t get what she wanted. Abby got her revenge and it costed everything. Yet she still succeeded and was doing well, until she wasn’t. That’s where the frustration comes from. All that death and trauma, and she just gave up after already sacrificing everything. The game and story is amazing but it gets worse the further we go imo.
Yes Joel suffered the consequences of his actions, we understand it morally. But what the developers needed to understand was that the vast majority of players from the first game went through that hospital and retrieved Ellie with relief on our faces.
Nora: “You shoot me the sound will have every soldier come running.”
Me, who fumbled a brick with a molotov and had to become Home Alone Rambo reaaaally quick: “…now you’d assume that.”
I really hated Nora in particular. I'm glad they gave you the button prompts to smash her face in. Felt more personal.
If there was a burning house and had to save either Abby or Nora, I would save Abby.
That Red lights and Ellie walking through Nora like a terminator is a very scary moment
No one calls Joel’s a bitch and gets away with it.
I get this was supposed to be Ellie taking it too far but didn't feel even a little bad for this. Extremely satisfying kill.
Still mad we where robbed of the choice to kill abby in the end. Id also smoke Lev just to make sure no one was left to follow Ellie.
It was fun letting abby die through the story though.
@@Victoria-ff9lv I didn't hate Abby, but they fucked up bad by not making it a player choice. Plus it would be interesting to see how many people were swayed into sparing her, as I would have.
@@Victoria-ff9lv eww
@@reservoirfrogs2177 its not the players choice because its Ellie’s story, not the player. no one complained about the first game having no choices yet everyone says this about the 2nd game.
@@stevieasdfghjklable Yeah like imagine a last of us where Joel has a choice whether or not to save Ellie and the consequences of that months or years later.
Bro I loved the part where they follow Ellie down. Sucks you don’t have the same experience, because the moment I knew clickers were there. I caused straight pandemonium and had them attack the soldiers while running around beating them up. Dealing with the Clickers afterwards too. Absolutely epic
I like how they scurry around and whisper fight you
When they drop down and go "The fuck's the power doin on?", they're referencing when Abby went down earlier and turned on the power to get through the airlock doors when looking for the surgical kit.
@jaime b the level of detail in this game is unmatched.
Let’s be real, Nora absolutely deserved that.
Did Joel deserve it?
@@discogypsyfish9577 Based on canon, no.
@@georgeofhamilton why did Nora deserve it but not Joel?
@@discogypsyfish9577 Joel did what he did to save Ellie. The Fireflies misled both of them into thinking that Ellie would live through the operation, and they refused to let either of them make peace with the fact before going through with it, or choosing not to sacrifice Ellie’s life for the cause. They even beat Joel up and led him out for execution when he tried to stop the operation.
Nora is utterly remorseless, even smug, for helping brutally murder a man who rescued and accommodated her and her friends and whom Ellie clearly had a close relationshipo with. She had no personal connection with Joel’s killing. I can understand Abby’s anger, but Nora had no reason to jump on the Joel-hating bandwagon. Nobody should take pleasure in killing, even if it’s for justice, which it really isn’t in this case.
Joel and Ellie were entitled to a choice and to a proper farewell, at least. Nobody was entitled to Ellie’s sacrifice for a possible vaccine.
@@georgeofhamilton it's established in part 2 that the fireflies weren't aware they couldn't produce a vaccine without killing the subject until Ellie was literally there, they didn't mislead anyone. Abby's dad doesn't want to tell Joel because he's worried he'd try to stop them (he should be) but Marlene goes out of her way to give him so kind of closure. They also weren't going to execute Joel you have completely made that up, he was being escorted out of the building. Is it morally wrong of them to not wake her up and check she was ok with it? Maybe idk, what if she says no? Are they supposed to abandon the only hope of saving humanity? Not saying they were correct, or Joel was wrong, can't say i would have done differently in his position. But it's not black and white.
Also Nora 100% has every reason to want Joel dead, they were all childhood friends so obviously they would've had a relationship with Abby's dad, Abby says to Mel that she was her dad's favourite student, it's reasonable to assume the Nora was his student as well and saw him as a mentor figure, much like Joel was to Jesse. Not only that but Joel kills a lot of guys on his way to stop the surgery, who knows how many loved ones her and her friends lost that day. These kids were born post-outbreak, the infected world is all they've ever known and Abby's father was supposed to fix it. Joel ripped that away from all of them for his own selfish reasons. The fireflies who have been actively waging war on Fedra for years largely disband after this because they have no purpose or hope anymore, Abby and all of her friends and no purpose or hope. Again Joel took that away from all of them.
Nora also feels something about Joel's murder, whether it's remorse or not is unclear but she says she hears his screams every night, just because she defends what they did to Ellie when confronted doesn't mean it hasn't affected her.
So nah I don't think Ellie torturing Nora with a pipe is "deserved". Deserve doesn't exist in this world.
Her holding Nora at gunpoint with three WLF trained on her is one of the most tense moments of the series
she did this to Nora but showed abby mercy. ugh. just ugh. Doesnt make any sense whatsoever
The more you think about the game the less sense it makes
@@DeltaOps111 Yes, everything in the last of us 2 is great except the most important thing; Storytelling and writing of the game is bad
Abby showed Dina mercy, Ellie’s lack of action was more paying it back to Lev.
The fact that you can’t see why sparing Abby makes sense for Ellie’s character is a little over the top.
Almost like its a character arc or somethin
Real attention to detail, notice how Ellie is overwhelmed by the internal pain but the moment the rag hits her shredded back... she exhales and drops her shoulders, almost relieved. The physical pain yanks her back into herself and she starts processing the trauma, reflecting on it. It's shame they skipped the good part w/Nora though.
You know, I feel like Ellie have been better using her knife. She always takes it out at the beginning of the fights she's in.
Yeah but after what she Nora said about Joel, this is better choice for killing her.
Were we seriously supposed to feel bad for Nora after calling Joel a little bitch and CELEBRATING his death? I don't know why Neil thought this would work
i think the point is we DON'T feel bad for her, which means this scene works perfectly
@@bumblebeeman2103 Confused here... Joel killed so many people for a very selfish and if anything mentally broken reason.... yet we sit here and Justify the fact that he lied to the person going on a rampage when in turn what happen to Ellie had happen to Abby way before hand. No one is truly right but overall... Nora had every right (technically) because what Joel did to the Firefly camp was utter trash.
You're so delusional its funny
You were supposed to empathise with her, see things from her perspective, and also feel bad about how Ellie is going into darker and darker places.
@@Hopkins8564 nobody gives a sh#$ about other characters in this game. Literally sounds like some sjw sh#$ to care about the emotions of someone else who is a imaginary person.
Revenge is a dish best served cold and damn did Ellie get them back. It just goes to show how a difference in perspective changes everything. Amazing game that allows you to experience the emotions and experiences of both sides.
I just finished playing 1 & 2 for the first time. I don’t know why some people complain about the story in part 2, I thought it was a masterpiece
same
People with no media literacy. They play the first game and feel empathy for the character they played as (which was intentional by the developers) and then feel angry that the entire point of the story goes against the emotions they've developed. It's the same kinds of people that think Tyler is some sort of rolemodel in Fight Club. They miss the entire point of the story they're supposedly absorbing.
They're mad cuz Joel dies
@@out6of6my6mind I didn’t enjoy the plot of TLOU2 and that’s okay it’s subjective. Abbie was a poorly developed character, and I think it could have been executed much better but it fell flat. I think people can have differing opinions that’s part of art/ entertainment.
@@GV-du3fi that's completely valid. I'm mainly referring to the sea of incels that are very vocal about the other reasons they disliked the sequel
This scene fills me with a lot of emotions. Satisfaction, Ecstasy, Happiness, and bit of sadness(from me not being able to see it up close).
agreed
If the perspectives were shifted, you'd be feeling the exact same way about killing Joel
Way to completely miss the point of this scene and clearly the game as a whole. Congrats.
@@unwashedheathen4897 The point is "revenge is bad" which a child could think up. We've been with Ellie and Joel from the start. It's natural that people would root for them, and not their enemies.
@@TheSonOfDumb that is not the point. That is a purposely base reductive view of the story that you could apply to any story that has ever been created since the end of time. Give me a story you like I will easily reduce it to an elementary level lesson because that's just how stories work.
thank you for posting this! I needed cinematic clips for my game review
"Revenge is a fool's game." --Arthur Morgan
ellie (and ashley johnson's performance) is just a force of nature in this game. it's insane.
This game got so much hate in the beginning and seeing it now get more appreciation is great. This really was a brutal story from start to finish. I applaud the studio for taking a chance on such a turn in the story mainly because the discussions and debate it has triggered have been interesting and enlightening.
still bad
@@SharbtursGameCorner "still bad" way better than the 1st game.
@Rat Reborn
Nothing about this game is even remotely close to the writing and pacing of the first game and most fans of P2 will even admit it’s inferior. P2’s pacing is fragmented at best and an utter mess at worse.
@@carloszestyboy2901 actually insane, game shits all over Last of Us 1, Gameplay is far better and way less boring, story is less boring, also what pacing issues? Games solid all the way through, Part 1's entire first 1/3rd of the game is boring as shit, take off the rose tinted glasses.
It’s still a shitty game lol
Really should have shows us doing it. They had no problem showing joel
Why would they? they had good reasons to be mad.
@eded7947 all of Abby's friends had good reason because Joel y'know, killed the fireflies AND the one chance humanity had at a cure.
They didn't show Nora's reaction, just because the focus was showing us ELLIE'S reaction... How dark she was becoming. When Joel died, the purpose was make us hate Abby, that's why they showed not just Ellie's reaction, but also the gore and violence, cause we were in Ellie's shoes. In Abby's perspective, the camera shows much more Abby's face, just like in this scene where Nora dies. Think a little bit, bro.
@ed ed that’s when ya kill lev.
@ed ed That is fucking SCARY that you can't extrapolate that all the other fireflies (how many people are dead because of him) might have had friends and family they cared about to.
You need to SERIOUSLY grow up and gain some perspective. Your limited thinking is intensely childish.
Deserved. The last thing you wanna do is insult the man that was tortured and killed while this girl had to watch and beg them to stop.
Abby: *Being chased by the Rat King* Oh man, what can be worse than this?
Mean while Nora:
In the basement I wish Ellie had said to Nora "now I'm about to show you what I see in my dreams..."
I enjoyed this more than I should
You and me both bro nice and slow got all day for that a$$
Same. Got her back for unnecessarily smashing Tommy's face in at the beginning of the game 😤
Best death in the game.
@Christian Stewart
Because it was immensely satisfying.
@Christian Stewart
Yeah Abby’s death would’ve been very cathartic but we had to have the “revenge is a poison and not worth it” cliche instead.
@Christian Stewart Why the hate on Joel in the firelies? All they had to do was to consent Ellie and Joel for sacrificing for the greater good not taking that decision for themselves. Joel was completely justified in his actions.
@@Dragonfury3000 People overlook that fact way too much. What really set Joel off was that they didn't give Ellie the chance to make the choice herself, and were being complete dickheads to Joel for literally no reason and threatening him for just being concerned for her.
Every time I see people rag on Joel for what he did, that detail ALWAYS gets looked over and it makes no sense. If Ellie were to awaken and give full consent to the operation, then this would be a completely different scenario. Hell, Joel may very well let her go through with it, reluctantly of course, but knowing that it's her decision would have given us a different ending in the first game. In this case where she was never given a chance, I can absolutely understand why Joel did what he did.
@Christian Stewart To be fair there was almost no guarantee that it would have actually worked.
Ellie is a monster, really. I mean, imagine her from the perspective of these people. She isn't just a dangerous combatant, she isn't just ruthless, but she can even breath in apores.
ellie being the bogeyman i am fine with, but she should have killed abby, damn the "lesson" learned at the end, you can reflect and repent AFTER its done. Ellie killed hundreds to get to her, then lets her and her trans go. She should have left lev alive, but kileld abby
They tortured and killed her father figure in front of her and let her live in suffering they were the monsters.
They were also literally going to harvest Ellie’s corpse to MAYBE make a vaccine
Ellie Is Legend
I never bought why Abby’s friends had the same amount of hate for Joel as she did. They p much just followed her to follow her but no personal stake either
For them Joel was just a random dude who killed the only person who was capable of saving mankind.
I guess that's a good reason to hate someone 😅
Yeah almost like Dina and Jesse following Ellie.
@@BlueMoonlight777 They state they all had family working at that hospital when Joel killed everyone. They were all young soldiers not on active duty who found out later.
“Youre breathing spores… You’re really her! Hernifer, Herzabeth, Hermily! Can i buy a bucket of your sweat?”
Nora suddenly has the blind confidence of Ellis from Die Hard. LOL.
The thing I really don’t get about this whole story in part 2 is why do Abby’s friends have just as much hate for Joel as Abby does? I’m reality Abby should be the one that hates Joel and her friends are just supporting her because they’re a group. But they all seem to hate Joel with a passion even though all they know about him is that he killed Abby’s father. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Many of them are ex-Fireflies and Joel shot his way through their whole organisation.
Exactly, and Joel may have even killed some of their friends too, not to mention destroyed the possibility to fight the cordyceps with a potential cure or even vaccine. And just as Nora says: “There are no fireflies anymore“, also because of Joel. They have a lot of reasons to hate and being willing to kill him…
@@cineastik8220 But there are more fireflies, right? Abby gets on the radio with them at the end and takes her boat to Catalina island to meet them. I guess the aren't on speaking terms with the fascists in Seattle....even though lots of them are ex-fireflies...unlike the original game, this one doesn't survive much analysis.
@@smoberley maybe they aren't on speaking terms with Seattle's ex-fireflies because it's 20-something years after the apocalypse and it's not like they can just ring them up?
It's because Ellie was the solution for a cure, humanity could have been saved and civilization rebuilt. Joel, out of his love for Ellie as almost a surrogate daughter for his own daughter Sarah, killed them all including abby's father and prevented that from happening. Joel ruined humanity's best and only chance at curing the fungus that had torn the world apart. He did it out of love but the way they see it is he did for selfish reasons that doomed humanity.
she did this to nora but showed abby mercy. ugh. just ugh.
Bro really missed the point of the game huh
She lost everything but didn't kill abby wtf.
Wow! It’s almost like the events after this changed her as a person.
@@charlieparklaws The complaint is that if you are willing to go this far, then follow through. If you kill HUNDREDS of people in pursuit of revenge dont shrug and go 'nah' at the very end. Get revenge or dont, just follow through.
@@waxerwaer9700
Except the first game did the same thing
Joel killed a bunch a people to deliver Ellie which would find the cure, but it was for nothing in the end.
Ellie is such a badass in TLOU 2.
Ya know. I'm gonna get a lot of flack for this, but I think that this could have been way scarier, gorier, and much more cruel.
Restraint and leaving details to the imagination can be more purposeful, rather than risking disgusting your audience too far.
People in the comment section… jeez I mean you love Joel and everything that happened in part one, but you have to understand that he killed a lot of people for a selfish reason and I’m not speaking to justify his demise I’m talking from the point of view of the other characters that suffer because of his choice
Coming back to this makes me appreciate TLOU 2 so much more.
5:58-6:15 she’s pacing back and forth like a big cat with its prey very close.
Wait she looks like twd character connie
The most brutal thing about this video is how its title spoils TLOU Part 2 just by showing up on your YT page.
The best part about the story is how fucked up it was. It would not have been a memorable story if everyone did the justified actions. It lives and haunts me inside in the most beautiful way for how tragic and horrifying it was. 🖤
I’m so glad it’s being told to a larger crowd than just us gamers.
It's just going to piss off non gamers just as much as it pissed off 99% of the actual gamers that played it. That is if anyone even watches season 2, since most people know how terrible the second game is. My bet is that there will be big changes by HBO
@@Jg-be7it 99% lol
@@ZIMBO37333 yep. 99 out of 100.
@@Jg-be7it I didn't know that 99% of people can't take criticism and immediately turn into crybabies when things don't go their way.
They can't stand it when their own idol is deconstructed. To deal with something like that, you need a healthy dose of self-reflection. Instead of questioning the character, his actions and themselves, they simply blame the video game.
@@ZIMBO37333 99% of people just don't like terrible stories, bad writing, and bad character development. Your pseudo-intellectual babble wasn't even amusing.
its going to be interesting seeing the actor do this scene 7:29 (if they keep this scene in the series)
I wonder how Bella is gonna do on the second season with Ellie, because it's definitely more dark and it's almost like Ellie is a different character than before. Also I wonder how they are gonna make her look older
I imagine they'll re-cast
She's 19, so it shouldn't be too hard.
@@discogypsyfish9577 why would they re cast though?? They can just use makeup-
@@discogypsyfish9577 She’s a great actor I’m sure she can pull it off
@@mooncookies7803 she's fantastic but i think with the level of violence in part II they'll be better off casting someone in their 20s. House of the Dragon did it last year and it worked really well.
3:54 save your ammo here and just throw a bottle inbetween the people, the clickers come running and they all kill eachother you just walk on through
For someone who is so cowardly throughout this ten minute chase, she seems rather strong willed in the idea of no selling out her friend.
Also everyone is making arguments about how Joel deserves his fate or not, doesn’t matter which side you’re on, your arguments and emotional invoked thoughts are exactly what the game creators wanted you feel.
Agreed
10:30 the rocking 🥺
If I was Ellie I would’ve done the same thing.
From all the kills Ellie made on this game, this is the only one I don't feel bad about. I hate Nora much more than I hate Abby.
Went through all that to get to someone associated with Joel's killer but let's the actual killer go after they bit off her fingers.
My only real issue with the story
Ellie is in two completely different places mentally at this point in the hospital and at the Beach though, were this Abby here she would have killed her. After this she then finds out the reasoning for why she kills Joel, is spared by her and the kid she has taken under her wing (again) at the theatre and then at the beach proceeds to find that not only has her "lover" and all of her friends been killed by herself and Tommy but her and Lev have been captured and brutalised by the Rattlers. I think she sees some of Joel in her in the way she immediately goes to Lev after being cut down and at this point her fighting Abby is purely about having some sort of control over her life/story (she had no control over what happened to her when she was bit, no control over what happened with the hospital as neither Marlene nor Joel gave her a choice, she had no control over Joel's fate and then her, Tommy and Dina were again all at the mercy of Abby again in the theatre with Ellie totally out of control and they only live because of Lev and who Abby is now)
At the beach she wins the fight and finally has control over a major life event - whether Abby lives or dies and this is when she sees Joel sitting on his porch with his guitar as opposed to on the floor beat to hell like she has previously, she is finally in a position to write her own story in a way and chooses to let Abby go and forgive Joel for the choice he made as what would killing Abby now achieve besides also killing Lev by proxy. She makes the choice Abby should have made years ago and also the choice she should have made before going to Seattle arguably.
Just because she did awful things on day 1-3 in Seattle doesn't mean she needs to keep doing them.
That's my 2 cents, I didn't like the ending much at first either but on repeated play throughs I've come to love it and really hope for either an Abby/Lev DLC to set up Part 3 or for Abby and Lev to play a fairly major role again in Part 3
Every time she hit her, I farted
Dina is bae :(
Vicious girl goes wolf hunting.
Druckman is a good writer, and he wrote a good story. But it was the wrong story, from the wrong viewpoints, in the wrong medium, even though "revenge destroys you" is a solid theme. I think the mixup is that the characters needed to learn that, and us through them, but trying to make the player a direct participant, in a game that requires and rewards you for mowing down hundreds of people, didn't ring true, and made it lack catharsis.
Ending the game after Seattle, (and giving Joel a death that reflected his cautious nature, not relying on him helping and trusting strangers) would have let the themes breathe without being swallowed by the medium.
The ending was nonsense to me. One quick flashback makes her want revenge again. Then, another flashback stops her. Felt like a rushed way to attempt to portray "we must stop the cycle of violence" and give us the downer ending they were going for.
I think it's more that it's a preachy narrative which gamers should think about but don't want to
And the wrong characters to make and use. He tries to establish the surgeon as a father and sympathy for Abby after her eavesdrop in the room. Abby sparing Ellie after killing Joel in front her eyes.
The surgeon doesn’t really show what can he do other than saving a Zebra which just paints him as a veterinarian. He could’ve been like a mycologist in flashbacks and be way more believable that he could make a cure. His determination to sacrifice Ellie is alright as it shows his determination as he wants the cure to protect his daughter in the future, as he know many of the people he knew died of the infection.
Abby seemed too hell bent knowing that her child-murdering-father died because someone fought to protect them. Someone said that Marlene should’ve been Abby’s mother or adoptive mother and her death would make a better motivation for Abby. Abby and her group could’ve been looking for like the person that had wiped their group but do not know, and we the audience, won’t know who were they hunting till it is pieced together.
Abby would’ve been at least reluctant to kill Joel after he helped them out, but the group of ex-fireflies would reassure her that they’re killing the person that ended their organisation of the greater good. For their dead friends in that hospital. Abby should’ve been at least haunted in her kill for vengeance, and it would’ve made much more sense for the final confrontation between Ellie and Abby and wouldve reinforced the message of “revenge destroys you.”
The first time I played I was anger cause Abby did what she did, but if you look with an open mind, we can see that it´s just two sides of the same story... can´t pick a hero
ellie did zeus treatment on her
Spartan rage
@Christian Stewart 😂😂😂
I wish we get an option to feed her to the clickers lol
The writing is pretty bad in this game because it wants you to feel bad for someone that you hate in its purest form right from the start and that just doesn't work. Abby should kill Joel with just a gunshot out of rage not torture and we could still emphasize with her. This kill we see in this video was completely justified because she was traumatized with Joel being tortured.
Yeah lmao it makes you play half the game as the person you hate most. The whole time playing Abby I’m just thinking. “Idc. You killed Joel” the amount of times I purposely died as Abby
Bad opinion is bad.
@@tvscribe the point of view on "you're supposed to hate Abby the whole time" is unvalid because the game clearly wants you to see her good side. Joel did bad things to survive which is alot diferent.
@@tvscribe TLOU2 was character assassination on both Ellie and Joel's part, and if you aren't too blind to see past all the virtues signalling bullshit you can see how trash the narrative is
You have not described bad writing
Jesus I can't wait to see Bella go ape shit on the show... She's going to be perfect for these intense scenes. Too bad we're going to have to watch Pedro get his head smashed though, AGAIN!
Ellie leaving Abby alive is kinda worse than straight up murdering her
Nora:im fucking dead anyway why would i tell you anything.
Im not giving up my friend.
Ellie a few moments later:
I made her talk. (while crying)
that shit was so impactful first time i saw it.
My only regret is that i only got 3 hits in
5:56 Me if being harassed by an toxic player:
I now know why I didnt like this game as much as the first one. You have less choice in actions but you are still held accountable for it as a player. Which makes you more of a spectator than a participant in the game. It was a mistake in design in my opinion.
It's Ellie's story. Not yours.
Just how the firs game is Joel's story. Not the players. You never choose in the first game either.
Because in the first game you had sooo many options smh
@@hamish8790 You have no media literacy whatsoever. The reflection on the cycle of violence is a direct commentary on a players willingness to do it themselves, and the lack of consideration players take in doing so. Its been a basic element of "triple a" story games since Bioshock. Druckman himself has said as much. I think anyone who looks at video games when analyzing their themes and does not take into account the fact that games are inherently participatory experiences has an IQ below 10. Its painfully fucking obvious how badly Druckman wants to comment on players capacity for violent action. Whether you think thats stupid (which I do) or brilliant or whatever is irrelevant.
The problem here is that "dude revenge is like really bad lol" doesn't work at all on a conceptual level in a video game because if the player refuses to engage in a certain action, that means there is no game anymore. Druckman wrote a story for the wrong format. Pretending like he wasn't trying to force the player to think about their own actions is just unbearably stupid.
@@hamish8790you have a fundamentally wrong view of video games 🤣
I get that people have mixed feelings about the plot and character actions. Even in these situations a lot of their violent actions just don’t have a good enough excuse.
But, it’s a game. A violent game which requires the main characters to be violent. And you can empathize with people even when they just act without excuse.
They portray the emotions very well, and it’s not impossible that people could feel, reason and act like this.
Then there is inconsistencies. One character is treated one way and another which might “deserve” a certain fait and that it becomes inconsistent when brutally killing and torturing some people as simply a means to an end and then not doing it to the one you’re really after.
But such inconsistency could happen within a persons judgement. A single persons judgement isn’t necessarily consistent and their character arc may make them change their mind.
Though if we take a step back we might ask, if the person made good decisions. Probably not in this case. We can still clearly empathize with them though. But in a society with any amount of justice system we should probably still want to lock them up. Lawlessness is what it is but even in this kind of state I find it hard to believe that people wouldn’t have some sort of information channels that would inform people about people this violent just walking around. When survival is harder, killing people is in a sense a bigger crime, though people might also care less because there is so much death everywhere and trying to bring justice in one case might feel like a drop in a bucket.
All in all, maybe I would have wished for Ellie to have had a different kind of character development, but the story is captivating for sure and you feel her struggle even if she should probably be locked up for life.
Honestly… this game portrays emotional instability for Ellie. Yes I get the over arcing theme of revenge and all that, but if you choose to seek revenge and then “hit an Epiphany” at the very end to try and save yourself from going all in, then she did NOT clearly think this through from the start. To me, Dina did not mean that much to her if she chose to throw a future with her away and then not finish what she started. If I were to make up my mind and plunge myself into total darkness for vengeance, I would go all in. This sUbVeRtEd ExPeCtAtIoN bs is something I feel they got from dumb and dumba$$ watching GOT.
Also, TLOU1, Joel did not know the other test subjects would die in the process of finding a cure UNTIL they got to their final destination. So saying that he “backed out” at the last minute after killing so many in between like Ellie is not true. Had he known that was Ellie’s fate, the game would had ended halfway through as Joel would had made up some excuse to change course to save Ellie. So it’s not a comparison. 1/10 for terrible story writing.
Vengeance Blinds Us of the truth and in the end what we feared would happen will become concrete
i dont think this is brutal ive seen way more brutal deaths than this.
Like the death of Michael Richards career.
Bashing someone's face in with a pipe is not a normal death or normal way of killing someone. Touch grass, edgelord.
@@iwillcontactattorneygenera1078 have you seen people getting grinded alive? Or having their intestines literally ripped from their bodies while being alive?
idk but you probably haven't seen the many creative ways one can be killed lmao
@@iwillcontactattorneygenera1078 i believe ellie could have fed nora to some infected, then chopped her body parts but allowing her to still be alive and feel all that pain before finally destroying her skull with a grinder.
it would be an absolutely fabulous death
I had no hate for Nora, she was a soldier and stood on business until the end. Most people would snitch facing death
She snitched facing pain
@@Vikashar what's the difference
@@laphonz Soldiers dont snitch facing pain, and furthermore she died.
As Ellie stated in the video, she made Nora talk.
I do, she’s hypocritical and a coward. Not saying that Ellie isn’t also hypocritical but Nora obviously has zero self awareness with the group participating in torturing Joel for fun/revenge situation. And she did end up snitching
They don't show nothing..
You can here the Rat king in the background
It's a Abby fighting with rat king?
Nora deserved ittttttttt. Maybe Joel did too, but two wrongs don't make a right. BUT 3 WRONGS?! That's just fun.
This game would've been epic if they just gave the player the choice at the end to to show mercy or take revenge.
Don't think anyone can really trash this game playstyle wise other than minor things but no one was happy with the ending. The people defending the ending are 99% internet trolls just trying to get a reaction from people.
After Joel dies the fans of the series kept playing because they paid a ton of money for the game and they also wanted to see Ellie kill the hell out of Abby. The fact that you don't even get that satisfaction is Naughty Dog literally bitch slapping the fans with their greasy nutsacks while waving the money they stole from fans.
You're taking it way too personally my guy
I had to specifically lay it down to my family that if they watch me get beaten to death... they avenge me with fire and brimstone and not think for a second, "he'd want me to forgive you" because i wouldn't 😅
If show ellie ends abby with a golf club, I will be very happy.
is it me or does nora look a lot like Lauren Ridloff (aka connie from the walking dead and makari from eternals)
indeed. was the first thing that I noticed about her
Ellie is like a modern-day Robin Hood, except instead of stealing from the rich to give to the poor, she's killing anyone and everyone in her path, except for the one person she has a personal vendetta against. And why spare Abby, you ask? Oh, just for the sake of a "movie moment." How touching.
It's truly remarkable how Ellie's character arc makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. She's perfectly fine with mowing down innocent people who are just trying to make ends meet, but when it comes to the one person who actually deserves it, suddenly she's all about forgiveness and redemption. Give me a break.
watching the show im really just like "why does joel have to kill everybody?" like, why is he just so murderous? and nora is like, "think of how many people are dead because of him" like, i know its apocalypse, its kinda kill or be killed, and they were gonna kill ellie and kill joel to do it but- idk
as someone who played the first game and i loved it, joel killed a lot of people but as you said they're going to kill him, and somehow the last of us 2 kinda brainwashed their fans into believing that joel deserve what he got but seriously the people he killed were going to inject ellie with a cure that 50/50 will work, they had so many girls or boys that could sacrifice but they choose the newbie outsider which was Ellie, and yes she accepted to be tested but a kid will never know their cruel intentions. and now we have so many people defending abby for killing joel
@@oussamaqouiyd9818 ppl who agree with Abby’s side of the argument didn’t pay enough attention, in my opinion
@@oussamaqouiyd9818 the "dozens of immune boys and girls" was just a lie joel told ellie plus the voice recording that ellie found contains info about herself being the only immune person ever discovered and it would be a miracle if they found another one like her. also they were not going to inject a cure into her body because the cure was supposed to be created using her brain matter
The ending reminds me of joker torturing, Jason Todd
they're gonna have to get a new actress to pull this off if the hbo show gets to this point
Bella ramsay is already confirmed to play Ellie in the 2nd season
@@y04dr13n god no
@@tau566 cry about it lol
@@y04dr13n I literally might.
I don’t mind the story of Joel dying and Abby getting mercy. But the story is so inconsistent especially from their character. Trusting strangers, killing Nora but showing Abby mercy. It just didn’t make sense and I think that’s why so many had an issue with the story and progression. Gameplay an graphics 10/10. Plot 5/10.
The show has the chance to correct the terrible pacing of this game. If this story is told in a more professional way, it may even end up good.
She got off way too easy. Start with the legs. Work your way up from there.
poor Nora. she was so cute
She's more cute as a corpse
@@Dragonfury3000 lol, that’s harsh.
@@paulwoodford1984 couldn't resist xD
Cute doesn’t mean shit in that world.
i kept hitting square even after it didn't tell me to anymore. #forjoel
Second one sucked
I like to pretend its an alternate universe. first game was about story, and amazing gameplay. Second was about manly women and "oh no violence is bad" Which is funny, They paint joel as bad as hes killed people, but the ones saying it are also killers -_-. Also the whole ellie killing nearly everyone, to just let abby go is just so retarded. Then at the end in a dream or something shes like "i cant forgive you joel." yet she forgived some manly hoe who just killed her father figure....ok.
It's been years since the game came out. Grow tf up.
@@kingcamelot1395 indeed it has. This video was suggested to me by youtube, so i watched it... Clarify please how i have to grow up because i disliked a game? You are grown up because you enjoyed it? Accept the fact others have different opinions and you grow up.
@TheDeathlessLordCerberus Hatred for the sake of Hatred is not an opinion, what I was getting at.
@@kingcamelot1395 I think I can say whatever the fuck I want. The subject is the last of us ….so we can talk about if it was good or bad or something in between . I served 10 years in the military . Infantry …. Iraq and Afghanistan
I’ve done more “growing up” then You could ever do . So STFU.
Crazy how people think Ellie is a “good guy”, Last of Us is a mess up world lol
Good.
that's my girl
Such a great scene. I think anyone who has played TLOU 1 and 2 can relate to this moment. Because anyone with an appreciation for the games would do something like this to Neal Druckmann if they were locked in a room alone with him.
Only impotent morons that don’t understand good storytelling would
Wtf ? You know how that sounds, do you ?
@@teddyzaehmer shhh. He's an emotionally unstable kid. Just let him throw his tantrum
@@teddyzaehmer You're right, now that I think about it, what I said was wrong. Fans of the game would use a golf club, not a pipe. More fitting. Thanks for the correction.
@@awesomness36 If you liked this game, that tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of good storytelling. The story for this game was so bad that it literally singlehandedly destroyed the franchise. It's hard to imagine how you can blow it that bad.
This felt great. Walking away from Abby did not feel great
Looked this up again because my kids are making me watch the TV show. TLOU2 is brilliantly acted, with clever set pieces, great graphics, and intriguing gameplay. In other words, a lovingly polished, pretentious, self-important, *turd*. At some point in Druckman's head, we ceased to be his customers and instead became students, and his mission became to teach, rather than entertain us. And that lesson? You MUST BUY THIS GAME BECAUSE ITS IMPORTANT. If you don't like it, YOU'RE BAD.
Ellie in this game is an entirely different person than she was in the first game, and the explanation for that, is she's Super Mad because the guy who denied her her "purpose" (who she was pissed at) gets killed? So, instead of working to fulfill that purpose in any way, she becomes this hate-filled, utterly evil, 100 pound teenage girl death ninja, way more badass than Joel ever was? Yep, shit.
If she was really such a selfish, hateful piece of shit, she would have thanked Joel for saving her instead of being angry at him. But the shit plot needs to happen, so a girl in a world filled with death, violence, suffering and tragedy, who believed she had a higher purpose, instead decides to make more of what the earth already has? Shit.
No, it makes sense, right? She's got this PTSD from his death and the only cure for it is to go full Rambo and kill Abby....What?! That's the most shit thing ever. The cure for PTSD is NOT a murder mission, mister Druckman, you high-minded leftie evangelist asshole. There's a liberal message for you...trauma survivors are completely hateful, unstable, and dangerous. Just like religious people.
The idea that Ellie would or could act that way has ZERO plot support and given what we know about the world, the idea that she and her pregnant girlfriend would even think it was possible is COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS.
And the same goes for Abby. She's the daughter of a guy who is going to save the world, and when he gets killed, her purpose becomes hate and murder and all of her friends go on this insanely perilous, unlikely, completely pointless, murder mission? OK. Again, thanks Druckman. Trauma sufferers have superhero powers and are insanely dangerous. GOT IT.
ROFL this comment is so piss-mad it's golden! 🤣
bro let his intrusive thoughts win its not that deep
@@exzotikk1k716 As long as your talking about Druckman, I agree.
You're weird dude
Media literacy level 0
waittt I just realized that the black woman is the same actress from all American 😨
How people Abby killed to get to Joel? How many people Ellie killed to get to Abby?
We’ll back to it
Bonk!
It's awesome, absolutely love this game.
But sincerely 3 hits with a pipe like that ... anyone would be out cold with major head contusions.
We don't know that she's hitting her in the head
i didn't enjoy this story one bit, but Ashley Johnson killed it.
she could've gone Law Abiding Citizen on her.