Superb content and production for a relaxing Sunday morning. Well done and thank you to all of the contributors. This kind of production is really educational and supports the evolution of our passions brilliantly.
Brilliant !! Absolutely superbly enjoyable series Gents and Ladies 👍👍👍 To all involved - from a long time Aussie subscriber from the deep Deep South - Tasmania - thank you !! And well done 👍 tremendous investment of time and resources to bring these field tests, R & D feedback, evaluations of equipment - it’s all acknowledged and appreciated out here in the “Field” Looking forward to seeing feedback of the ‘Keepers’ post copper use in the Field Keep up the fantastic work guys !! Careful lending rifles to mates and watch those extra 25 round count rifles ..............😅😂🤣 In gratitude and furtherance of our sporting and game harvesting / dining objectives Best regards TP
Congratulations on a very informative, comprehensive and down to earth programme. Lots of information for tyros to take in. As to the scope choices- ‘Buy once, cry once’ cheers from downunda! 👍😁
Well done gents. A few things for consideration. Has anyone spoken to the manufacturers in regards to the impact of pricing of the non-toxic ammo if all ammunition for hunting is restricted to non-toxic? Will the price go up because of demand, will it stay the same, or will it go down due to economies of scale? I believe the latter would not be likely. Additionally the very long-term question would be if there is a mandate that all ammunition including for target shooting be required to be non-toxic. What would the impact be on pricing? The demand for copper would become staggering at that point. Might want to start investing in bullet traps for recycling. Regarding the accuracy of an all copper bullet it would seem that there might be potential for more consistency in the construction of the bullet as it is one material vs traditional lead core jacketed bullets. While the manufacturers have obviously come as close as they can to perfection with the jacketing process there's still much more potential for variation from one bullet to the next that can impact group size. Handy rifles have had a following for years here in the states with the market leader being Thompson Center. I'm interested to see how the Savage Impulse is received there, assuming that model is eventually imported.
I have done lead clean up on ranges for work, then I think of how many flint arrow heads I have found after thousands of years of use in north america. Those broad heads are every where. My dad started shooting solid copper bullets while I am finishing up the copper jacketed lead. We volley fired for shooting two deer this year. Both animals dropped in their tracks. Cutting the deer up, the coppers are staying in the deer just like my lead load, we find the bullets between the skin and body. The last 5 years I have been measuring up the weight of the copper bullet and copper jacketed lead. Then just the lead from a shot bullet and one from the box for reloading. There is always some lead missing. We both shoot Ruger M77 30-06's and use to use the same loads, but with powder type and solid copper, dad is using less powder for the same performance.
Challenges of monolithic ammunition.... 1) Seldom do they make the same grain options as lead and rarely or never as heavy 2) this is in part due to copper or monolithic bullets needing to be longer to gain grains 3) this means less case space and different powders so no it simpy is not apples to apples. 4) heavy grain monolithic bullets need a higher twist rate to manage longer heavier bullets and many rifles that are made will not manage a heavier longer monolithic bullet nor will it fit in the cases etc etc in other words see 1-3 above. 5) I have seen copper ammo do straight pass through at short range and the animal with a small pass through wound it then runs. This is especially troublesome to new hunters and hunter recruitment and not a clean ethical kill. 6) while monolithic rounds are certainly as accurate they need a higher velocity to help expansion and can get too slow at extremely long ranges. Most state they need 1800 fps or more to have proper expansion. 7) If hunting a large North American mammal such as elk, bear, or moose a heavier grain bullet is arguably needed to pass through large bone density. Again in the 300 yards or less range a monolithic bullet is a good choice and may even be better than some lead as it retains weight and energy. However as ranges increas the lighter grain bullet simply does not hold the mass nor enregy for clean ethical kills. If someone is hunting 300 yards and in nonlead could be a good choice depending on the bullet and weight and twist rate of the rifle. Again see points above about minimum twist as many nonlead bullets will state recommended twist rates of 7.5-8.5 so rifle offerings become also limited and then require the hunter costly new gear. Also if you are shooting 500-800 yards (and yes those are ethical ranges depending on the shooter location and species) then presently lead is a better option IMO at especially with the limited twist rates avaible and higher twist rate needed. I do hope that manufacturers can figure out a higher mass shorter bullet that is nonlead but until then monolithic does not suit some peoples needs. Use what you will, stay educated. Do what you can to have lower impact on the environment and if you use lead bullets I may suggest use ones like bonded or partition for minimal grain loss. Personally I use a 28 Nosler 175 grain accubond long range and it is simply brilliant and devistating with minimal grain loss even through thick bone such as femur or shoulder.
Copper is great. Shoot a light for calibre bullet as they dont expand as effective compared to lead. Flatter trajectory, less recoil & super effective on deer. I Shoot a Barnes 130gr TTSX in my 308 win. Home loaded
Also used 110gr tsx in .270, great groups but the round just doesn't expand enough. Creates pencil wounds with not enough energy transferred to the animal. I'm all for non toxic, but they haven't got it right yet.
@@paulharter2343 I’m really shocked! I’ve head, neck & body shot roe & fallow deer With my 308 win & the results have been fantastic! I won’t be going back to lead! Shots from 70-260 yards! Deer ran no more that 25 yards with fantastic internal damage & minimal bruising!
Really enjoy the copper ammunition content, I think its essential in order to "move with the times". As an airgun shooter I do wonder what alternatives the future holds for lead free pellets.
As a Dane occasionally hunting in Germany (having a permit in a public Forrest) it has there been a demand to use led free ammunition for more than 5 years. Over that period I have taken + 30 animals from Roa deer over wild boars to a few Hinds using 6,5x55, 30-06 and .93-62. I have only observed one Roa buck where the bullet had not opened up properly. Shot through two ribs and not hitting anything hard. The Animal had not walked more that 20 meters, but I was missing the normal blood trail. All other shots worked well. I have a .222 rem. I mainly use for fox and birds (geeses and pigeons) an by using a Sako hammerhead (Barnes bullet) I now have a useful rifle for Roa deer as well. Worked flawlessly on a lamb at +100m. Like this a small caliber can suddenly produce a solid shot that will penetrate animals that was not the norm when using a normal lead bullet. Thank you for a wonderful and educating show.
Non-lead ammunition can be great, providing you have a choice about using it. I'd be very wary about accidentally helping people who want to ban lead ammunition across the board.
Where I live in California, lead ammo for hunting has been completely banned since 2019. That said, while I wasn’t thrilled about it, I’ve come to love the solid/monolithic rounds. You can accomplish with a lighter bullet what normally necessitates the use of a heavier lead/cup & core bullet. Guys are using 20 or 30 grain lighter bullets on elk, for example, and are getting just as good or better results. Barnes bullets in particular have garnered a reputation for being real bone busters. It’s becoming increasingly common for shoulder shots to result in the bullet plowing straight through and breaking the opposite side shoulder as well. The bullets are not easily deflected when hitting heavy bone compared to lead, and won’t fragment when doing so. They might lose their petals from time to time, but that shank stays intact and keeps driving through. Recovered bullets commonly have retained ~95% of their weight. One thing I will add that I have personally experienced with copper vs lead. When choosing traditional/lead based loads in the past for my rifles, I’ve experienced varying group sizes depending on the brand/load, as no doubt you all have as well, but still within acceptable accuracy for hunting purposes. We all experience this when experimenting to find the load our rifle likes best. When I was trying to decide on a copper load, I originally tried Hornady GMX. 3 shot groups from a cold bore at 100 yards were less than an inch. As my barrel warmed up, the groups opened up significantly, I mean 3 inches or more. My friend experienced even larger groups than that out of his Tikka. I then tried Barnes TTSX. Cold bore shots with Barnes remained under an MOA, increasing to about 1.25-1.5” as the barrel warmed up. My friend had similar results when he tried Barnes. I experienced this in my 3 hunting rifles, so I ended up using Barnes. What I’m saying is don’t get discouraged if you try a copper load and your rifle hates it and groups all over the place with it. Experiment and you’ll find something. You guys have some great ammo manufactures in Europe. I would love to get my hands on some Sako or Lapua hunting loads. Lastly I will add this. One of my rifles is an FN/Browning with commercial Mauser action from 1969 chambered in .270. It fires those solid copper rounds accurately and without issue, so don’t feel like these won’t work if you happen to have an older rifle. Lastly, I LOVE THIS CHANNEL! Keep up the good work. You set a great example for hunters everywhere.
I've been forced to shoot copper Here in California for the last 10-years. And low it is far more effective than lead bullets of the same weight. Because of the lighter weight Copper vs. Lead, you gain a longer ballistic coefficient for the same weight. I have yet to find a bullet design as universally accurate as the Barnes Triple Shok and Tipped Triple Shok. This coupled with their over 98 percent weight retention makes them pleasure to use.
Copper can't compare to lead bullets... its useful in limited applications like hand gun rounds that are,lighter and faster for caliber than standard lead. As far as rifle rounds go I don't see any real benefit. For starters you won't get ANY fragmentation with copper.. fragmentation isn't bad so long as it isn't excessive and you are getting at least adequate penetration. Also the threshold for expansion is much higher and the threshold for good full expansion is even higher. You need a rifle round to have an impact velocity of at least 2600fps for a copper projectile to fullly open up. Yes they will "expand" at 1800fps but they just barely begin to open up. The longer bullet and better B.C. comes at a price. You take up more case capacity and therefor get less velocity if you use a bullet that will outperform its lead counterpart in terms of B.C. when using copper you NEED to use light for caliber bullets because that velocity is needed. But with less mass and more velocity you end up just losing energy down range and since you needed to use a light for caliber bullet your bullets overall length and B.C. isn't any better than its lead counterpart or not enough to be significant. If it were you would be taking up too much case capacity and would end up shooting well below the calibers potential. Where copper bullets do shine is with handgun designs like the maximum expansion line especially the one for .45L.C. and .300blk I have also hand loaded very light for caliber. 44 magnum with 150 grain bullets that can be pushed well beyond 2300 fps out of my rifle but that's only a good thing because the .44 mag is a short range caliber so I get hydrostatic/hydraulic shock going on with a pistol caliber. The whole "environmentally friendly " BS is just an excuse for them to be sneaky and raise the cost of ammunition making it more difficult to stockpile its essentially gun control labeled as being "green".
Check out the richochets and jnjuries and more that occured on German State Forrest areas due to leadfree ammo the weather situation for the hunt days then.
Viewer from the US here. I have been hunting large game with copper bullets for some time now. I handload ammo and adopted it long before most ammo companies were even looking at it. My findings are very anecdotal but for big game and large for caliber bullets I really like them. I am against the govt forcing it's use. I do not think they kill well in light caliber rifles (which is probably what you all use over there. Those muntjac look like they are about the size of a coyote) but I do find that they penetrate and hold together well and damage very little meat on a shot that might be less than ideal. For the record I have zero worries about lead poisoning from hunted game. I was raised on primarily hunted game and I now currently raise my family on it. If there is a negative effect to lead bullets, it must be quite slight. Good luck fellas. I do love copper ammo for big game but I truly hope my country does not mandate it. It's not ideal for every situation.
I'm sick of being controlled, and having my rights restricted. There is no good reason to stop using lead. The amount of lead shot in rifles every year is tiny. Use copper if you like, but don't push it on people who don't want it.
Although it might not be an issue in the UK with all the deer species being fairly packable after the kill here in Canada there has been issues with different types of birds of prey and scavengers getting lead poisoning from shot game.
It's a change yes, and maybe not completely negative, but is it a move "forward".. No it is not. Same with shot going to steel, it's a terrible idea, it is political and that is it.
I bet people said the same when they went from round balls to the minie ball, and from there to the round nose jacketed buller, to the spitzer. There will always be conservative types with "It was better before" arguments.
@@darkiee69 The examples you gave aren't representative. You are talking about advancements in technology and progression with better understanding of science and physics. That is NOT what is happening here, this is purely political and in terms of physics is a regression.
There is no reason to use copper over lead in a stalking rifle. It's utter bollox, even ranges don't mandate it on health and safety. NO ONE HAS EVER DIED FROM VENISON LEAD POISONING AND I HAVE NEVER FOUND A BULLET IN THE FIELD.
Superb content and production for a relaxing Sunday morning. Well done and thank you to all of the contributors. This kind of production is really educational and supports the evolution of our passions brilliantly.
That is a fantastic idea! can not wait for the results! You guys are really brightening up my Lockdowntime!
Best of wishes from the continent.
Really enjoyed this can wait for the results we'll done all,
Brilliant !! Absolutely superbly enjoyable series Gents and Ladies 👍👍👍
To all involved - from a long time Aussie subscriber from the deep Deep South - Tasmania - thank you !!
And well done 👍 tremendous investment of time and resources to bring these field tests, R & D feedback, evaluations of equipment - it’s all acknowledged and appreciated out here in the “Field”
Looking forward to seeing feedback of the ‘Keepers’ post copper use in the Field
Keep up the fantastic work guys !!
Careful lending rifles to mates and watch those extra 25 round count rifles ..............😅😂🤣
In gratitude and furtherance of our sporting and game harvesting / dining objectives
Best regards
TP
Thanks Tony. / Charlie
Excellent film, thank you 👍👍
Very interesting testing David. Thank you Fieldsports team for another excellent video.
Congratulations on a very informative, comprehensive and down to earth programme. Lots of information for tyros to take in. As to the scope choices- ‘Buy once, cry once’ cheers from downunda! 👍😁
Well done gents. A few things for consideration.
Has anyone spoken to the manufacturers in regards to the impact of pricing of the non-toxic ammo if all ammunition for hunting is restricted to non-toxic? Will the price go up because of demand, will it stay the same, or will it go down due to economies of scale? I believe the latter would not be likely. Additionally the very long-term question would be if there is a mandate that all ammunition including for target shooting be required to be non-toxic. What would the impact be on pricing? The demand for copper would become staggering at that point. Might want to start investing in bullet traps for recycling.
Regarding the accuracy of an all copper bullet it would seem that there might be potential for more consistency in the construction of the bullet as it is one material vs traditional lead core jacketed bullets. While the manufacturers have obviously come as close as they can to perfection with the jacketing process there's still much more potential for variation from one bullet to the next that can impact group size.
Handy rifles have had a following for years here in the states with the market leader being Thompson Center.
I'm interested to see how the Savage Impulse is received there, assuming that model is eventually imported.
I have done lead clean up on ranges for work, then I think of how many flint arrow heads I have found after thousands of years of use in north america. Those broad heads are every where. My dad started shooting solid copper bullets while I am finishing up the copper jacketed lead. We volley fired for shooting two deer this year. Both animals dropped in their tracks. Cutting the deer up, the coppers are staying in the deer just like my lead load, we find the bullets between the skin and body. The last 5 years I have been measuring up the weight of the copper bullet and copper jacketed lead. Then just the lead from a shot bullet and one from the box for reloading. There is always some lead missing. We both shoot Ruger M77 30-06's and use to use the same loads, but with powder type and solid copper, dad is using less powder for the same performance.
Challenges of monolithic ammunition.... 1) Seldom do they make the same grain options as lead and rarely or never as heavy 2) this is in part due to copper or monolithic bullets needing to be longer to gain grains 3) this means less case space and different powders so no it simpy is not apples to apples. 4) heavy grain monolithic bullets need a higher twist rate to manage longer heavier bullets and many rifles that are made will not manage a heavier longer monolithic bullet nor will it fit in the cases etc etc in other words see 1-3 above. 5) I have seen copper ammo do straight pass through at short range and the animal with a small pass through wound it then runs. This is especially troublesome to new hunters and hunter recruitment and not a clean ethical kill. 6) while monolithic rounds are certainly as accurate they need a higher velocity to help expansion and can get too slow at extremely long ranges. Most state they need 1800 fps or more to have proper expansion. 7) If hunting a large North American mammal such as elk, bear, or moose a heavier grain bullet is arguably needed to pass through large bone density. Again in the 300 yards or less range a monolithic bullet is a good choice and may even be better than some lead as it retains weight and energy. However as ranges increas the lighter grain bullet simply does not hold the mass nor enregy for clean ethical kills.
If someone is hunting 300 yards and in nonlead could be a good choice depending on the bullet and weight and twist rate of the rifle. Again see points above about minimum twist as many nonlead bullets will state recommended twist rates of 7.5-8.5 so rifle offerings become also limited and then require the hunter costly new gear. Also if you are shooting 500-800 yards (and yes those are ethical ranges depending on the shooter location and species) then presently lead is a better option IMO at especially with the limited twist rates avaible and higher twist rate needed. I do hope that manufacturers can figure out a higher mass shorter bullet that is nonlead but until then monolithic does not suit some peoples needs. Use what you will, stay educated. Do what you can to have lower impact on the environment and if you use lead bullets I may suggest use ones like bonded or partition for minimal grain loss. Personally I use a 28 Nosler 175 grain accubond long range and it is simply brilliant and devistating with minimal grain loss even through thick bone such as femur or shoulder.
Copper is great. Shoot a light for calibre bullet as they dont expand as effective compared to lead. Flatter trajectory, less recoil & super effective on deer. I Shoot a Barnes 130gr TTSX in my 308 win. Home loaded
Also used 110gr tsx in .270, great groups but the round just doesn't expand enough. Creates pencil wounds with not enough energy transferred to the animal. I'm all for non toxic, but they haven't got it right yet.
@@paulharter2343 I’m really shocked! I’ve head, neck & body shot roe & fallow deer With my 308 win & the results have been fantastic! I won’t be going back to lead! Shots from 70-260 yards! Deer ran no more that 25 yards with fantastic internal damage & minimal bruising!
Brilliant show, very informative, thanks David.
Change is a coming ,very good, keep up the good work.
Absolutely great video, perfect made. Thanks guys.
regards from Switzerland
Really enjoy the copper ammunition content, I think its essential in order to "move with the times". As an airgun shooter I do wonder what alternatives the future holds for lead free pellets.
Great show, very interesting 👍
One of the best show s to date 👍
Wow love the show,bergara rifle is so cool!👍
Viewed a few of these videos. This is the one that caused me to subscribe. Keep up the good work people!
Cheers
Love this series!
As a Dane occasionally hunting in Germany (having a permit in a public Forrest) it has there been a demand to use led free ammunition for more than 5 years. Over that period I have taken + 30 animals from Roa deer over wild boars to a few Hinds using 6,5x55, 30-06 and .93-62. I have only observed one Roa buck where the bullet had not opened up properly. Shot through two ribs and not hitting anything hard. The Animal had not walked more that 20 meters, but I was missing the normal blood trail. All other shots worked well. I have a .222 rem. I mainly use for fox and birds (geeses and pigeons) an by using a Sako hammerhead (Barnes bullet) I now have a useful rifle for Roa deer as well. Worked flawlessly on a lamb at +100m. Like this a small caliber can suddenly produce a solid shot that will penetrate animals that was not the norm when using a normal lead bullet. Thank you for a wonderful and educating show.
great info cant wait to see the results on copper
Great film really interesting would like to see how copper works on .22lr and .177hmr?
A very interesting video, plus I love the look and the performance of the new break barrel rifle, would like some information on them.
Non-lead ammunition can be great, providing you have a choice about using it. I'd be very wary about accidentally helping people who want to ban lead ammunition across the board.
"Lots of ammunition here maybe 3,000 pounds worth" so... in other words you have 200 rounds? Lol
£15 for round ? Idiot !!!
Where I live in California, lead ammo for hunting has been completely banned since 2019. That said, while I wasn’t thrilled about it, I’ve come to love the solid/monolithic rounds. You can accomplish with a lighter bullet what normally necessitates the use of a heavier lead/cup & core bullet. Guys are using 20 or 30 grain lighter bullets on elk, for example, and are getting just as good or better results. Barnes bullets in particular have garnered a reputation for being real bone busters. It’s becoming increasingly common for shoulder shots to result in the bullet plowing straight through and breaking the opposite side shoulder as well. The bullets are not easily deflected when hitting heavy bone compared to lead, and won’t fragment when doing so. They might lose their petals from time to time, but that shank stays intact and keeps driving through. Recovered bullets commonly have retained ~95% of their weight.
One thing I will add that I have personally experienced with copper vs lead. When choosing traditional/lead based loads in the past for my rifles, I’ve experienced varying group sizes depending on the brand/load, as no doubt you all have as well, but still within acceptable accuracy for hunting purposes. We all experience this when experimenting to find the load our rifle likes best. When I was trying to decide on a copper load, I originally tried Hornady GMX. 3 shot groups from a cold bore at 100 yards were less than an inch. As my barrel warmed up, the groups opened up significantly, I mean 3 inches or more. My friend experienced even larger groups than that out of his Tikka. I then tried Barnes TTSX. Cold bore shots with Barnes remained under an MOA, increasing to about 1.25-1.5” as the barrel warmed up. My friend had similar results when he tried Barnes. I experienced this in my 3 hunting rifles, so I ended up using Barnes.
What I’m saying is don’t get discouraged if you try a copper load and your rifle hates it and groups all over the place with it. Experiment and you’ll find something. You guys have some great ammo manufactures in Europe. I would love to get my hands on some Sako or Lapua hunting loads. Lastly I will add this. One of my rifles is an FN/Browning with commercial Mauser action from 1969 chambered in .270. It fires those solid copper rounds accurately and without issue, so don’t feel like these won’t work if you happen to have an older rifle.
Lastly, I LOVE THIS CHANNEL! Keep up the good work. You set a great example for hunters everywhere.
Thanks so much. Great contribution. / Charlie
field sports 2021 keep it up ferretingggggg
I've been forced to shoot copper Here in California for the last 10-years. And low it is far more effective than lead bullets of the same weight. Because of the lighter weight Copper vs. Lead, you gain a longer ballistic coefficient for the same weight. I have yet to find a bullet design as universally accurate as the Barnes Triple Shok and Tipped Triple Shok. This coupled with their over 98 percent weight retention makes them pleasure to use.
Copper can't compare to lead bullets... its useful in limited applications like hand gun rounds that are,lighter and faster for caliber than standard lead. As far as rifle rounds go I don't see any real benefit. For starters you won't get ANY fragmentation with copper.. fragmentation isn't bad so long as it isn't excessive and you are getting at least adequate penetration. Also the threshold for expansion is much higher and the threshold for good full expansion is even higher. You need a rifle round to have an impact velocity of at least 2600fps for a copper projectile to fullly open up. Yes they will "expand" at 1800fps but they just barely begin to open up. The longer bullet and better B.C. comes at a price. You take up more case capacity and therefor get less velocity if you use a bullet that will outperform its lead counterpart in terms of B.C. when using copper you NEED to use light for caliber bullets because that velocity is needed. But with less mass and more velocity you end up just losing energy down range and since you needed to use a light for caliber bullet your bullets overall length and B.C. isn't any better than its lead counterpart or not enough to be significant. If it were you would be taking up too much case capacity and would end up shooting well below the calibers potential. Where copper bullets do shine is with handgun designs like the maximum expansion line especially the one for .45L.C. and .300blk I have also hand loaded very light for caliber. 44 magnum with 150 grain bullets that can be pushed well beyond 2300 fps out of my rifle but that's only a good thing because the .44 mag is a short range caliber so I get hydrostatic/hydraulic shock going on with a pistol caliber. The whole "environmentally friendly " BS is just an excuse for them to be sneaky and raise the cost of ammunition making it more difficult to stockpile its essentially gun control labeled as being "green".
Sounds great but what's copper like in 243
What was the rifle that Johnny was holding Whist talking about getting pellets stuck in the barrels, lovely looking gun 👌
How good was that - looking forward to the results
Crazy that European rifles are more expensive in the UK than here in Canada. You can pick up a budget rifle here for $400 easy.
Love to see the results of the non toxic rifle ammunition as I'm a sceptic and love to know the cost
Very informative and enjoyable.
Check out the richochets and jnjuries and more that occured on German State Forrest areas due to leadfree ammo the weather situation for the hunt days then.
Viewer from the US here. I have been hunting large game with copper bullets for some time now. I handload ammo and adopted it long before most ammo companies were even looking at it. My findings are very anecdotal but for big game and large for caliber bullets I really like them. I am against the govt forcing it's use. I do not think they kill well in light caliber rifles (which is probably what you all use over there. Those muntjac look like they are about the size of a coyote) but I do find that they penetrate and hold together well and damage very little meat on a shot that might be less than ideal. For the record I have zero worries about lead poisoning from hunted game. I was raised on primarily hunted game and I now currently raise my family on it. If there is a negative effect to lead bullets, it must be quite slight. Good luck fellas. I do love copper ammo for big game but I truly hope my country does not mandate it. It's not ideal for every situation.
And the most important with leadfree ammo , part of getting lead banned and removed from scenery ,use it as an alternative but not 100% .
I to have found copper VERY accurate, sub .3 moa. But not good a killing deer humanely. Copper jackets and bismuth cores is the way forward for sure.
All those lovely, unregulated silencers. 😢 as I'm about to purchase my first with the required $200 sin tax stamp.
When will the do a test on electric cars.
I would have liked to see the copper in ballistic gel ....Its all about terminal performance to me
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We need semi autos back
I'm sick of being controlled, and having my rights restricted. There is no good reason to stop using lead. The amount of lead shot in rifles every year is tiny. Use copper if you like, but don't push it on people who don't want it.
Although it might not be an issue in the UK with all the deer species being fairly packable after the kill here in Canada there has been issues with different types of birds of prey and scavengers getting lead poisoning from shot game.
this is great #subscribe
Nobody’s giving a price don’t say there is not one somebody paid for all that lot
"IQ". Love it 😂
Many of these deer stalkers have handguns
It's a change yes, and maybe not completely negative, but is it a move "forward".. No it is not. Same with shot going to steel, it's a terrible idea, it is political and that is it.
I bet people said the same when they went from round balls to the minie ball, and from there to the round nose jacketed buller, to the spitzer. There will always be conservative types with "It was better before" arguments.
@@darkiee69 The examples you gave aren't representative. You are talking about advancements in technology and progression with better understanding of science and physics. That is NOT what is happening here, this is purely political and in terms of physics is a regression.
@@doomfathertm8771 I just know that I don't feel like eating lead. If you do, go ahead.
Copper kills trees?
Worth looking into. That was one of my worries. But there are people who have tried to kill trees with copper and failed, do I don't know. / Charlie
Yaaaawn
There is no reason to use copper over lead in a stalking rifle. It's utter bollox, even ranges don't mandate it on health and safety. NO ONE HAS EVER DIED FROM VENISON LEAD POISONING AND I HAVE NEVER FOUND A BULLET IN THE FIELD.
Total bollocks, it is not plutonium.