Fully 3D Printed Wave Echo Cave - Detailed overview
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- Опубликовано: 2 дек 2019
- You asked for a more detailed break down of the cave so here it is! Thanks so much for all the love. I'll continue to make more amazing dungeons in the future and I'll definitely make attempts to improve my video quality as well! Enjoy.
The DM can use a blanket sheet to cover everything and reveal parts of the map as the party discovers more of the mines
exactly my thoughts
Yeah thought the same thing seems like obvious logical solution
Maybe something smaller than a whole blanket that's more "form fitting" the different sections?
Just a little nitpick, but sometimes a large rectangle reveals too much when it's moved back
@@fenixmeaney6170 Smaller squares of black fabric work well. Just bunch it up to cover one room per piece.
i would of used pieces of poster board to cover it.
When my wife sets stuff up we cover it with a cloth, and uncover as we go.
I bet his players loved this! No matter how well it went, he was happiest when one randomly flicked the water wheel.
We had a blast playing this map!
This was absolutely bonkers, you did an incredible job on this.
OMG! Ty incredible amount of work here. Wow
dude this is insanely impressive! amazing work and attention to detail! :D
Thanks so much!
This is so awesome. Thanks for posting!
Thanks so much!
This is really impressive. Well done!
Thanks so much!
You have inspired me to keep printing for my home game!! After hours and hours of printing/painting I lost the will but seeing this...😲
Just move forward knowing that all of your work can be recycled and eventually you will have enough that you don't need to grind away at it anymore.
Great job on this. I think those water tiles are some of the best I've ever seen. Subb'ed
Thanks so much! I hope to keep making really amazing stuff to show you guys. We are going to start planning our next build next week.
Impressive setup of the map! Good job!
Thank you!
This is AMAZING! For future plot based reveals, maybe consider a large piece of cloth that can cover the entire world, and can be pulled back to reveal newly discovered areas. Imagine a tangible “fog or war.” Anyway, I’m so f*ng impressed. Much love! 🤙🏽
My DM prints some adventure maps on a poster printer where he works. He uses pieces of cardboard as "fog of war" so he can reveal room by room, much like if we were playing online with a map program.
So the way we handle this subject at our table is to ensure the party has found a map of the area before they arrive. That way, they already know the layout and there isnt anything spoiled by seeing it. Everything else is dropped in on the fly, like monsters or unknown terrain pieces. Then we dont have to monitor fog of war at all for such a large dungeon.
@@TableFlipFoundry Given the time involved in putting that masterpiece together, this is a valid work-around.
And more importantly, if your group has fun, it's a solid win.
@@MonkeyJedi99 It was about the only way we could swing it with something this big.
That alchemy table at 26:53 gives me back so much Hero Quest vibes! :D
Awesome job. I've been recreating this cavern with dwarven forge. Very expensive indeed. I don't plan on building it all at once like you did. That's truly amazing.
Thanks so much! Dwarvenforge is quite expensive, but its very nice tiles.
You are my HERO!!!!!!! Great looking table!!!!!!
Thanks!!!
Awesome job! I was thinking about a black cloth on top uncovering certain areas as you went along instead, but a map works too.
Just one word: Awesome!
Thanks so much!
Insane work! Well done.
Wish I had a group with this creativity, resources, and passion
Thanks so much! It was a lot of fun.
Absolutely sick build!!
Hey thanks so much!
Table top gaming has come a long long way. We used to do this with foam core and dirt from the yard, branches ect. Making terrain the hard way. Now its push button. Ya I know there's lots of numbers involved. Well done. That's quite an accomplishment.
Thank you. Its just as much work as you used to do, just with a different result. I was on a very strict sleep schedule and printing schedule. It takes about an hour and a half to clear the printers, then get each and every one up and running. They arent quite turn key. There is a lot that can go wrong. Wake up early, get them running 9 hours for work. Get home from work, clear everything get them running for 4 hours before bed, then again at bed time for 8 hours. repeat every day.
Incredible work! That'll look amazing at a gaming convention. If I recall correctly, the history as to how to cave was lost was due to a marauding Orc horde attacking and ransacking it. That would make a great mass battle game, to replay that event.
Oh thats a cool idea! Ive never been to a convention. There arent many here where I live.
WOW! So Awesome!
Hey! Thanks so much!
*speechlessly impressed*
Thanks so much!
Awesome job man!
Much appreciated!
Great job!!
😳😯😍 this is insanely amazing...
Thanks so much Robert!
You should put a tube that goes from under the map and hook up the fog machine from there. That way, you get fog coming out of the floor.
There was some discussion for something like that. But not very feasable in the long run.
DUDE!!!! This is insane! Holy fucking shit amazing!!!! You are talented my friend!!
Haha, thank you so much. I would say that im not all that talented, just stubborn and diligent.
Dude, you are creasy. I’m impressed.
Ive never heard the term Creasy? Thanks? I think/hope :D
WOW! This is BONKERS!!
I don't recommend lol.
What you did young man was incredible. Also love you and your team's work with Lychee Slicer!
Here are you guys hiding the dungeon with sheets while im sitting here hiding my dungeon with pillow cases! 😅😅
Bravo!
Hehehe. Thank you so much. We are still hard at it too!
This is a very elaborate and great setup. I love the Fat Dragon Games terrain, they are very nice to play with.
As soon as you showed the Fog Monster I was wondering which method of fogging they used. Fog machines use special liquid which is heated to create a dense fog. This will leave a little residue.
I prefer to use those little ultrasonic devices that create cold steam. Good thing is that this 'steam' is cold so it will hardly condensate on your terrain but it will also evaporate quickly so there is less of a fogging effect.
What is nice, is that these things are small, cheap and can run on batteries so they are easier to include in your terrain.
I am thinking about dry ice in the future. The fog monster condensates quite a bit. I hear they are coming out with a next gen one that helps with it though.
Awesome!
Dang, that's sweet!
thats amazing.
Thank you so much!
WOW, I'm DMing the LMoP with paper base maps. I wish I could have this setu! Congrats!
Thanks. It was so much work....I do not recommend lol
I'm lucky to print a bit of scatter scenery here and there, and I'm rolling a 20 if I can get paint on it before I throw it on the table. I really love the water and the ModPodge use was a great idea!
Thanks so much! We really put our heart and soul into it.
Fine work. Your commitment is daunting.
We're in a similar position, 1370'is DR fall of Nesmé, fleeing down Rauvin/Surbin towards Sword Coast.
Thanks so much! I figure the tiles can be used for anything else after we were done so it was worth the effort now, for the ease later.
The Tabletop Engineers Fogger; embed BELOW? No need to invent faux tower, etc. Vents thru table/gapping, modest dehumidifier after session close in closed room, modest box fan blowing across surface area or ceiling fan. Breeze thru window might be actionable. WD40 sheen, misc hydrophobic agent will further minimize pooling water. Or, idk, f'it...fire? Say it's some really avant garden production value or DM Plane Shifts table/players to Hell. Can't miss (probably).
Epic table!
Thanks!
This is absolutely amazing! So much work for this! Something I'd thought of to have the map not be revealed is to use blankets, probably several separate ones and not too thin so they leave indents to the rooms. Let them act as "fog of war" and you reveal bits of it by rolling the blankets or removing the sections to the halls and rooms they'd be aware and see. Not perfect, but would certainly keep much later parts of the map concealed until they've "earned" to see it.
The way we handle this is by making sure the party finds a map of the area first. It justifies their knowledge of the layout. Then any monsters, props and traps get added in as they progress. Especially on a map this big, its pretty much the only way to do it.
@@TableFlipFoundry also blankets can mess up tiny details if the material touches the more loose components of the build, ideally what you'd do in a scenario where the players are not supposed to know the area is create fog of war pillars.
The idea behind it is to have a number of adjustable height pillars (print them in pairs so they slot into each other) then you can use them in key areas, and on top of those you can put your cloth, of course those pillars would need to be bottom weighted so as not to tip when the cloth is extracted, any metal will do.
The ideal cloth would be silk with tiny metal rings added in 4 corners (with enough material left to overhang 3-5 centimeters) the rings would connect to your FOW pillar caps.
This looks like the type of spare-no-expenses channel so if you want to go the extra-extra mile there are more crazy things that can be done
(oh the Fog of war option allows you to also pre-populate the dungeon with minis so they are encounter ready)
That looks amazing, and I love your print space. If it isn't messy, you aren't using it correctly. :-)
Thats how I work best. Organized Chaos.
very impressive dude
Thanks a ton!
I'm pretty sure the mushrooms @ 20:37 are from DuncanShadow. Got a lot of love for his work.
I cant remember it was so long ago but id bet you are correct. I subscribed to his Patreon at that time.
SuperAwesome 🥰🥰🥰
The water wheel is not useless, actually. I had a drakewarden ranger whose drake was made of fire. He jumped into the forge and I spinned the wheel to make the machine work. The fire was hot enough to burn some of the ghouls we were fighting. It required some workarounds, but the DM made it work and it was lots of fun. Btw the map is awesome, well done!
Just subbed. This is amazing lol I'm just now getting back into board games/ table top / dnd. My boys are highly interested. I was thinking of getting a pair of 3d printers to work on my own scenes and whatnot and here you have a factory of printer setups. Anyway really cool content keep it up brother.
I am not exactly a "RUclipsr" so my videos sort of just come when they come. Thanks so much for the sub! I'll have to throw some more content up soon!
I think its a fantastic way to spend your time. Sitting around with close friends telling stories together. Kids seem to have lost sight of important things lately. Image and money are too important to current culture.
Oh! also, I have a facebook group you can join. I can help guide you into the 3d printer/dungeon making world.
@@TableFlipFoundry I'll have to check it out for sure. Thanks
You spent a great deal of time on this , if you would like to have 'fog' in certain areas you could put a freezer unit ( standard reverse Rankine cycle re-purposed freezer unit would work ) under the table with tubes from the freezer box to the locations on the map you would like to have fog ( you might have to humidity control the room or add misters to parts of the map for this to have the effect you like )
I have a device called a fog monster. Its water vapor so it does create condensation but its all plastic so its not much of an issue.
very nice
Thank you.
This is really awesome. Fantastic job! I love the grottos that you have mashed together. FYI, I believe the crates and barrels referenced towards the beginning are also from the Lost Adventures Kickstarter. Keep up the awesome and inspiring work!
Thanks so much for the call out! The lost adventures kickstarted is fantastic!
Man that was my first dungeon crawl map! Remember it all!
It was a blast. We had so much fun.
Wish i had a group like yours. Im that DM who puts a ton of effort and money into making a good campaign and awesome terrain but with noone to play with who is reliable 😭
looking for dm in southern indiana lol
@@grymblade666 i would. Im in AZ
I am the same, man! I totally feel you!!
Same here in WV. 😥
grymblade666 Cincy here, game every week. Gencon every year, um, save this one (COVID).
so cool
Thanks so much!
What a fucking legend. Nice work, good sir.
Ha! Thanks my guy. Much appreciated.
Please publish a list of the STL files my dude! This is phenomenal and would love to be able to print this :o
Same, or a list of STLs used
Yes please list of stl’s
It looks like a combination of stl's from Fat Dragon Games and Printable Scenery (Goblin Grotto).
Edit: Didn't realize he goes through it. I'll leave my comment though.
It looks impossible to 3D print. Impressive work!
What be awesome to know some one like you personaly, would love to play Games in those Map
You could be that guy! Get yourself a 3d printer and make it happen!
@@TableFlipFoundry Not that easy, I try over 6 months to create a mordheim or T9A campaign
But they need the time for wh40k
I already own enough buildigs for two 48" 48" tables and still no Interest from my gaming group .. .
Wood or foam boards could easily provide that vertical lift for those multi-layer areas you mentioned. Would be easily transported as well. Just trying to think "outside the box".
This was considered but it has to be the perfect height and re-suable and such. The printed risers worked well enough.
Having run the campaign I can say that the players get a map of the caves in one of the quests if they make the right choice on something.
amaizing
Was anyone else watching this in full screen and then get distracted looking on the ground for the chair he tossed? >_>
Lol
For the fog they do sell tiny ones that you could 3D print some kind of box/case for it. Just look up Ultrasonic Mist Maker on eBay. I use to work for a fountain company way back in the day and some of the fountains had them. They work well was always a neat effect.
I use a machine called fog monster, but the humidity is an issue. the good thing about water vapor is that its heavy and hangs low. But fog machines don't cause condensation. so its kind of a toss up.
Great work an effort you have put into this project. 👍 Do you have a follow-up on the reaction of the group seeing your work?
I dont unfortunately. I should have, but its too late now.
Epic dungeon by the way B)
Thank you :D :D
Let me add a few simple suggestions to make this a *LOT* easier on you... I am going to presume you are using *some* kind of keylock system for the tiles (I hope so!) First off, put some kind of masking or duct tape across the bottom of "rooms" to keep them together as a module, a little bit of blu-tac putty here and there can help hold the sides and still be removable for reconfiguration of parts. Next is to place each module onto a piece of stiff cardboard cut to size, again using blu-tac or similar so each room can be handled easily. This also allows for vertical storage on something like a standard wire bakers rack. Next is to invest in a little bit of styrofoam... a typical 2 or 3 inch sheet costs about the same as a spool of filament and can now provide the support for making multiple layers (why bother "3D printing" empty space?) This would let you do those "Deep" areas and can even give you a small amount of "overhang" off the table for those little details that are just a bit too wide.
Finally, get a bit of cheap cotton or even old bed sheets and cut out pieces that are of various size squares and triangles. Get yourself a bag of pillow fiberfill and a can of spray on glue. Lay your cut out fabric onto a large cardboard or painter's plastic backing and spray a couple light coats of glue. Next fluff out the fiberfill into a wispy cloud like consistency and place onto the glue covered cloth and let dry. As a last step you can lightly spritz spray can gray paint very lightly to give a hint of gray "fog" appearance... These can now be used to cover "Unkown" areas individually...
These are things I have done with miniatures, even before 3D printing was a thing... these are rather simple tricks, but they can save hours of setup, enhance the gameplay with actual "mysterious areas", and add new surprises for the players! It also allows for easier moving around of different "room" elements and can even still be broken down to reconfigure into other "rooms" or area shapes...
Thank you so much for the advice! I'll definitely use some of them in the future!
Wow. And it is modular which means you can reassemble differently for another adventure.
Thats right! We just broke it down and reuse the tiles for the next cavern, or castle, or dungeon!
Can i see any videos of you guys playing this map ? This is AMAZINGGGGG!!!!
There is a video on our channel of one of our games. Its a recap for us to watch before the session.
Imagine a new player joining and NOT being impressed by this.....might be his last time playing then.
I would cry on the inside.
Wow... this is truly impressive!
As a DM, so far any and all prep work has been on me. Someday I would hope that I would get a player with even half the initiative and talent as you!
I just purchased my first 3D printer (going with a resin printer for minis), and was looking at this to get an idea if printing would be practical for terrain... but after seeing the scale of this... man... I guess this is why it is important to have resin and filament printers. Printing something like that in resin would cost a fortune!
We just feel that everyone at the table deserves our best. They try really hard to play their characters, so we try really hard to provide them with the best immersion.
I know this is two years old but I have seen some DMs take Amazon boxes, mark them with a section, and then when the players can see that they open the box that has the section of dungeon pre-assembled and adds it on. If you have a locking mechanism anyway. This is one main problem with magnetic tiles. If you are a 'off the cuff' DM and make things up as you go magnetic is fine but if you are a DM that plays by a map then locking tiles with marked Amazon boxes is the way to go.
Jokingly... one miner in Wave Echo Cavern (Room 12) sniffs the air and says to another miner:
"Fwew! Do you smelt that?" (and the other miner quips back:)
"Who smelt it, dealt it!"
Thank you!
Blender is a good free modeling program and has a CAD program built in and you can hook the fbx/obj to the 3d printer.
If your not worried about modifications like can substitute this wall to make a new tunnel.
Model the full map in the 3d modeling program as you are working with a module map. Seperate the map by rooms/tunnels into their own collections this way when turned on or off show them as one full scene/map or section like fog of war.
Then make a plane that is the dementions of your 3d printers ideal print space remove the plane but keep edges and extrude the lines down so you get hollow cubes using an array modifier to tile it and use that as a template to cut the rooms into quadrents or chunks using a boolean modifier. As well as cut floor levels.
If you start with the lowest floor of the dungeon at 0 you will be able to measure height of the floor of the model from 0 and can use foam blocks as risers/platforms based on the measurements.
Most 3d software has Cm/inch for realworld measurements so cutting the foam to that height is no problem.
If you want to make sure the walls "snap" you can always make rails and notches where you made your cuts so walls slide into eachother vertically.
Just some ideas.
I might use a black tablecloth and simply cover unknown areas up.
Wow. Great dedication. That's really cool to see. I print all my sets for my campaign as well, but won't do something like this. I create the maps for melee combat only. I feel like having something like this really takes away from the immersion of the idea of table top D&D. The game happens in the theater of the mind. Combat however is difficult to do in this way, and requires the visual aid. That's a ton of work, you did a great job.
Thanks so much! It was so much fun to make!
@Charlie Vetsworth I think you misunderstood the entire point of my post. I was saying this was completely unnecessary, and because it is a printed set, the reuse factor of this terrain is very low. Meaning, you spend too much time making it, and one or two nights using it.
W O W
For their next project - The Ruins of Myth Drannor, then Waterdeep's Undermountain I & II.
Lol, I dont know if I want to undertake anything this large again. Plus we have a huge number of tiles already made. I think for future projects it will come down to the level of detail I can put in rather than the scale.
Well done Sir! It's clear that you are a stickler for details and like things exactly as they are designed. In this case, your design changes seem totally appropriate. Your clan is lucky to have you on their team. Dedicated teammates regardless of the endeavor, are hard to find and too few and far between. Regardless of the state of condition, your 3d print space is awesome and has given me so ideas on how to set up my own print space(I currently have 3 FDM and 2 Resin printers) especially, the use of the Ultra Sonic cleaners as a modified print wash station. Quick question about that, Are there any shortcomings to using the ultrasonic cleaners instead of a traditional wash and cure station? I'm asking because I currently have a UV cure system and was considering buying a wash station, but I already own an ultrasonic cleaner? If your setup works well, I go that route instead and save the 100+ dollars. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Again, Great job on such a massive undertaking!!
Side note: Have you considered designing a custom more theme-appropriate enclosure for your fog monster? Its a shame to have such a cool piece of equipment not being able to be used.
Thanks so much man! I have seen no downside to using sonic cleaners. Make sure yours is stainless steel if you're using IPA in it. The cheap plastic ones end up disolving. Also be aware that many people will give you safety warnings regarding using a sonic cleaner with ipa.
That said, I've been using them for years. I have 3 that are running every day now. Never had issues.
I’ve been waiting months to watch this as we only just completed this part in our game. I think our dm has home brewed a couple of things though cos the spore room was an eggshell room
Well thanks for watching man! I hope you had as much fun in this cave as we did. Our DM home brewed a bit of our cave too.
I used a combination of Warlock tiles and home grown styrofoam cliff/cave pieces for my map. I need to get filament for my 3D printer.
I want to keep working on some more traditional forms of crafting like foam and such. I rely on my printers a LOT.
The rock in the water is fine. If it's been there a long time it might be eroded around the surface of the water, so it doesn't need to be flat on the bottom.
It worked out ok for the most part.
how much did this cost? And I don't mean in materials only. I'm talking about time? I'm assuming that you enjoy the process. I wonder what a similar set up in prepainted dwarven forge would run?
I have "rough" estimates. 1500 hours of print time. 100 hours of painting. Maybe another 50 hours of research, repair, modifying, etc etc.
Overall cost was 700 I think? Something like that. Its far far cheaper than dwarven forge though.
My guess was 300 tiles overall. I never really counted.
Well done and very impressive, too...
Would you mind providing some links to the files used in this dungeon?
heh...gotta hand it to you, you have dedication to the game......I just use a large monitor and graphics on it to display everything I ever want.
I enjoy the process of crafting. Screens have their own set of awesome like line of sight and lighting effects and fog of war. I just really like making stuff.
"That's totally useless and we'll never see it in-game, but I still think it's awesome." That's the kind of attitude I can appreciate 😁
hahahaha Thanks man. Gotta go the extra mile, if only for yourself.
I know it’s been a while since this video but did you ever upload the tiles you made?
Hey there guys! This channel has received a large number of subscribers over the last few weeks. Can you share with me how you came across my video?
Black Magic Craft and 3D printed Tabletop just linked you bro. Its how i got here
ruclips.net/video/23xq2zQbfEg/видео.html
Why not put the fog unit under the table and get some 1/4" hose that you can then add into the dungeon tiles?
I know this is an older video, but would you suggest the qidi tech 1 to people (or is it only yours that it reliable? and what layer hight do/did you use on terrain.
I can't really speak for what other peoples machines do. So, in my experience, my Qidi Tech 1 has been a dream. For this set I printed at a .3 height to save some time. But typically I print at a .2 for terrain.
Amazing setup, but I hope you've got some ventilation in that workshop!
Thanks, thats a really old video. New work shop, plenty of ventilation :)
Holy shit dude.
Do you have links to the tiles?
I only did major rooms due to the time commitment. Bravo! Great work.
Where did you get the map on the wall behind you?
Lol! Finally got far enough in the video that you answered my question.
This was purchased from an artist named Mike Schley - prints.mikeschley.com/p996068422
Isn't isopropyl alcohol in ultrasonic cleaner a big no-no?
or are those blast proof ultrasonic tanks?
Great job, how about printing a set of minecart rails that you can just drop on the tiles for future games
I should do that! Ill have to design some.
So you’ll let me know when your table has an open spot right?
Lol.Next time you are here in Omaha, let me know.
where did you get that "world map" behind you at the start of the video?
think it could be this one: prints.mikeschley.com/p858006957
@@mad-yorkshireman4854 yessir!
This looks great! I always loved 3D terrain but never had the money or the skill to get it for my groups. Now that I have the money, I've moved away from D&D-style dungeon hack & slash rpgs and don't need this terrain any more...
One question remains though: As a DM I've always tried to reveal the dungeon layout as the players explored it. In this case, the players can see the whole thing right from the start. Of course the players should be able to differentiate between player knowledge and character knowledge, but still this wouldn't be perfect for me. Building the dungeon as the group advances would be cumbersome as well - dang...
I had the same problem, I recently started putting more fog of war than needed. Putting it around empty space where there's nothing and using multiple papers to cover a single room. Helps a lot
So the way we handle this subject at our table is to ensure the party has found a map of the area before they arrive. That way, they already know the layout and there isnt anything spoiled by seeing it. Everything else is dropped in on the fly, like monsters or unknown terrain pieces. Then we dont have to monitor fog of war at all for such a large dungeon.
That is a really really impressive build and a phonomonally ambitious project.
Can I ask if you print your tiles at 100% or do you scale them up?
I printed them at 100%. There is just a LOT of them lol
this is fantastic. i love everything you did. i will be giving your channel a major look through. how much filament did it take to print. are you willing to sell the stls?
I did this years ago. I dont recall how much filament I used. I cant sell the STLs, but I outline who made each set in the video so you can find them!
What program are you using to do the modelling if you don't mind my asking?
Most of this stuff has been modeled ahead of time and are not my work. I do a lot of modifying in Tinkercad and Blender.
Im so impressed man ! I just got my first printer and i would like to have a similar collection of tiles in the future !
Do you mind sharing how durable the openlock tiles are over time ? I noticed the clips are REALLY tight and i fear they might break if i use them a couple of times
They break all the time. But they also cost like a penny to make. I just keep a collection of them for when they do break