Evening mate, Just wanted to share this with you.. when you can’t pick’ or ID a mortise lock. Get a key of the same gauge turn the key until you feel it lifting the levers won’t turn any more…. The key is generally pointing towards the bolt stump ! Giving you the drill point…. Hope this helps you out.. and makes sense..
I like to think I’m as transparent as they come so happy to share all my experiences good and bad! We all make mistakes but it’s how we deal with them overcome them and learn from them 👍🏼 Thanks for watching again 😊🙏🏼
One of those jobs where you think that you can't walk away and boom it opens! I need to get one of those Makita hoovers it seems pretty powerful for the size!
Yeah I was starting to lose my patience Andy as it was taking too long!!! The Makita with a clean filter and charged battery is awesome mate 👌🏼 Thanks for watching 😊👍🏼
Use carb cleaner with a straw to clean lock case to get colour and use gauge key's and can also use a small cheap endoscope to help see if there's any other identifying mark's and then there's that lock id app,great videos and so neat,your making good is really good,its obvious you have a lot of happy customers keep up the good work.,
Good evening, Love watching your videos, Just wanted to tell you the reason the framed ledge and brace door is dropping down on the closing side is because the brace is pointing towards the hinges… It should point away from the hinges.. hope this helps. It’s quite a common mistake, that people who are not joiners make…. Also heard you say that you have a problem with your back…. If you have bad pain I would recommend to have a MRI scan…. It saved me from a life in a wheelchair….
Thanks mate, I’ll let my customer know when I return with the new code lock regarding the brace on the gate! Sorry to hear about your back!! That sounds scary! To be honest, mines more to do with weight gain and lack of training! It’s starting to feel better recently 😊 Thanks for watching mate and glad you’re enjoying the videos 😊🙏🏼
Wish I saw this video sooner. Are those hinges adequate enough for the weight of that gate? It seems they are a bit undersized, and would benefit from larger, and stronger hinges (maybe even a continuous mortise hinge) which would also afford you the opportunity to raise the gate a bit higher to center the latch in that electric strike.
Done well considering the problems of not being able to identify it !! Make sure you get some photos of the lock inside and out should not be like that !! Saying that i get of locks that get well tarnished surrounded by the sea where i live, sea air mate Thanks for sharing!!
A job is never a fail when you achieve your goal. No matter how it's done, and you've made the customer happy, and she did sound happy when the door opened. That new gate with the marine grade lock, well there is a failed job right there that will continue to fail. Lying to the customer, not finishing the job by putting in all the screws, a heavy solid timber gate like that needs all the hinge screws in plus they built the gate wrong. The brace was in the wrong position, brace always must be run from the hinge side to lock side or it will have no support and continue to sag. The gate will never sit right in the keep, no matter what a Locky does. The owner needs to call the company back, tell them the gate was built incorrectly and installed sub standard and wants a replacement gate made properly. That gate would have cost a fair bit as well. Thanks for this video. I've been busy so playing catchup on videos, cheers
Hey PW. Thanks for your comments. Regarding the gate. I’ve just received the new replacement lock so I’ll be returning there next week. You’re the 3rd person to say it’s been made wrong and I will let the customer know when I go back next week. Hope you are keeping well and thanks as always for watching 😊🙏🏼
The diagonal bracing on the gate has been fitted in the wrong direction, that's probably the reason the gate has dropped? Unfortunately that gate will continue to drop for years to come. The incorrect direction the bracing is fitted, actually encourages that gate to drop... (Bench Joiner 30 years) Any new recipe ideas?
Yeah as Paul said also……I’ll make the customer aware! It’s also a shame that when they refitted the lock I’d fitted to the previous gate they couldn’t fit it in the right place 🙄 Recipe Ideas?? Thanks for watching 😊
Good job there Andy , I was screaming near enough at my phone watching you ID’ing the mortice lock. I could tell by the key it was 7 gauge then when you said it was grey I was nearly falling of my seat and then when you said it never had a hard plate and non BS that was it , it was confirmed for me that it was a viscount pmsl.🤣🤪 Great job man. Great job.👍🏼 👊🏼
Hahaha well done mate. In my head I was thinking it was a Viscount but not being able to see the nipples either side was throwing me!! And I started to question myself 🙄 Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
If you can get access to the inside and have the keys and the levers failed I’ve managed to air bag the door so there’s a gap then use the key to lift the levers and get a old bent hooked screwdriver or something into the rebait and it usually pops the bolt back because you have the levers up with the key Worst case scenario Muti tool can zip though the bolt if your inside but if there’s bars in the bolt it’s heavy going, but needs must buddy especially if it’s a dead lock and your not wanting to muller the door 👍🏻
I've drilled on the wrong side. Had a gun safe that was locked, customer was selling their dad's house and needed to clear out the safe. I ID'd the lock, tried picking but it hadn't been opened in so long it wouldn't budge. Drilled through all the safe door and the hardplate before realising I'd been an idiot. Luckily they weren't bothered about me drilling the safe as they were disposing of them anyway.
This was one of those when I just wasn’t concentrating enough! I had one eye on the job and the other on my van which was parked illegally 😂😂 Thanks for watching mate 😊🙏🏼
Good Job. There is no shame in owning your errors. It's how you grow. I just wish more people in the world would take ownership of there mistakes rather than placing blame on others (You would almost think I'm talking about Politicians).
You need a 50mm hole cutter you can see lots then 🤣 no seriously I don't see an issue here, so what you didn't hit it first time. All within the handle,good job sir 👏I'm new to the game but with Seth on the routering more to see more first 👍
No problem with putting the info on here as it’s not an opening method. Very often the wear in the era curtains means the a lever or several are not quite getting at correct height for gate. If you insert the key and rotate and lightly tension (I use a wire through the hole in bow) and as the key reaches position so levers are at full height rap the end of key with a bump hammer or handle of screwdriver. You are effectively passing the kinetic energy through hitting the key through key and into levers which very often is enough to just bounce the lever the fraction it needs to make the gate.
Mate, that’s an excellent tip that I will definitely give a go next time 😊 I presume this is worth trying with other curtained locks too?? Thanks very much Simon, and thanks for watching 😊🙏🏼
@@brighton_locksmith yes mate always worth a try on all curtained locks, have opened dozens of the red case era invincible using this method over the years. Very often with the viscount though the lock cap has come loose so it’s always going to be challenging.
I love honest videos, we’ve all been there 💪🏻 here are my pointers pal 1. The key even though a copy was a dead giveaway to the brand, all ERA keys have that shape 2. When I’m dealing with a rusty keyhole I use a router bit to enlarge the keyhole upwards to gain more knowledge, colour/potential hardplate 3. Viscounts are notorious for curtains failing/disintegrating 4. I’ve developed a method for opening in this situation that doesn’t involve drilling the lock Send me a message pal
Thanks Seth, absolute legend. Any technique other than drilling would be awesome to know. I’m away at the moment in Leeds but I’ll drop you a message in the next day or 2 if that’s ok? I’m very intrigued 😊 Thanks for watching bud and speak soon 😊🙏🏼
@@brighton_locksmith not a problem mate, I first cam across this technique on a Viscount as it goes, won’t necessarily work on every lock but it’s definitely worth a shot before getting the trusty drill out
That gate will have dropped because the braces are the wrong way round. The braces will be pushing the gate downward on the lock side. The braces should be going upward from the hinge side.
Mortice ID in no fun mate feel your pain there, do you have gauge keys? they help on id'n but the way it was flopping about in the door you did well to get near, but when it was all buttoned up no one would ever know
I knew it was a 5 gauge! To be honest I knew deep down what it was but was questioning myself because of not being able to see the nipples either side of the keyway 🙄 Thanks for watching mate 🙏🏼😊
The Era viscount lock is shite too be honest had loads of come backs in my dads shop always an open end lever or curtain problem and the coating always rust my friend called me one time was locked in his house I had too rock the key upwards and down for 30 minutes or so from the outside just as I was about too drill it opened my friend was the joke of Howdens for weeks work colleagues keep teasing him any excuse not come too work 😆
You are too hard on yourself mate. That job wasn't a fail in any way, shape or form. Identifying a lock body type with limited visual access isn't an easy task considering the state of the lock body. Out of curiosity, was the fault a lever spring issue? Just curious. Every Locksmith has had to drill a lock at some point in their career. If they tell you otherwise they are full of shit. Love the hoover action. Left it cleaner than when you arrived:-)
Thanks mate. Very kind of you. The lady said she had been trying for ages to open the lock so when I arrived the curtain had snapped so was just spinning and had dropped! She said she tried to force the key and heard a snap so I think it may of been a lever problem originally then she had snapped the curtain in the process of trying to get it open! Thanks for watching mate 😊🙏🏼
Evening mate, Just wanted to share this with you.. when you can’t pick’ or ID a mortise lock. Get a key of the same gauge turn the key until you feel it lifting the levers won’t turn any more…. The key is generally pointing towards the bolt stump ! Giving you the drill point…. Hope this helps you out.. and makes sense..
Absolute legend!!! Never knew this mate. Thank you. I will try and remember this in the future 😊
Thanks for that and thanks for watching 😊🙏🏼
Just a tip. Recognising key/blanks on shape and gauge if they have them will always help. Going from the 7 gauge viscount keys you had 😊
The most important thing you learn from it and you fixed it and made it better that is a good thing
Yeah exactly. Mistakes are there to be made. I’ve learnt for next time and will go again 👍🏼
Thanks for watching 🙏🏼😊
Good stuff. Showing the good and bad...class act. 👍
I like to think I’m as transparent as they come so happy to share all my experiences good and bad! We all make mistakes but it’s how we deal with them overcome them and learn from them 👍🏼
Thanks for watching again 😊🙏🏼
Great video, thanks 👍👍👍🇬🇧
Thank you 😊 and thanks for watching 😊🙏🏼
I think I was your 2000th subscriber....
Amazing!!! Thank you for subbing James.
I never thought when I started the channel I’d get 200 people watch let alone 2000 😁
Thank you 🙏🏼
@@brighton_locksmith it'll keep rising I'm sure. Some handy tips for the diyer and general odd job person.
just watched your video have just subbed
Thanks Stephen. Hope you are enjoying the videos 😁
Thanks for watching 😊🙏🏼
Done well there mate
Thanks mate. Not one of my best jobs but got it done 👍🏼
Thanks for watching buddy 🙏🏼
One of those jobs where you think that you can't walk away and boom it opens! I need to get one of those Makita hoovers it seems pretty powerful for the size!
Yeah I was starting to lose my patience Andy as it was taking too long!!! The Makita with a clean filter and charged battery is awesome mate 👌🏼
Thanks for watching 😊👍🏼
Good workmanship mate, like your videos, thanks for sharing,
Liked and subbed 👍📐🔨😄
Ah thanks Gary. Very much appreciated.
And thank you for watching and subscribing 😁🙏🏼
Use carb cleaner with a straw to clean lock case to get colour and use gauge key's and can also use a small cheap endoscope to help see if there's any other identifying mark's and then there's that lock id app,great videos and so neat,your making good is really good,its obvious you have a lot of happy customers keep up the good work.,
Thanks buddy. Good advice 😁👍🏼
Tidy workman, fair play. Alot of tradesman leave the mess.
Thanks Ricky.
Just hope my misses don’t see these videos 😂
Thanks for watching mate 😊🙏🏼
Good evening, Love watching your videos, Just wanted to tell you the reason the framed ledge and brace door is dropping down on the closing side is because the brace is pointing towards the hinges…
It should point away from the hinges.. hope this helps. It’s quite a common mistake, that people who are not joiners make…. Also heard you say that you have a problem with your back…. If you have bad pain I would recommend to have a MRI scan…. It saved me from a life in a wheelchair….
Thanks mate, I’ll let my customer know when I return with the new code lock regarding the brace on the gate!
Sorry to hear about your back!! That sounds scary! To be honest, mines more to do with weight gain and lack of training! It’s starting to feel better recently 😊
Thanks for watching mate and glad you’re enjoying the videos 😊🙏🏼
Wish I saw this video sooner. Are those hinges adequate enough for the weight of that gate? It seems they are a bit undersized, and would benefit from larger, and stronger hinges (maybe even a continuous mortise hinge) which would also afford you the opportunity to raise the gate a bit higher to center the latch in that electric strike.
Done well considering the problems of not being able to identify it !! Make sure you get some photos of the lock inside and out should not be like that !! Saying that i get of locks that get well tarnished surrounded by the sea where i live, sea air mate Thanks for sharing!!
Yeah that’s a big problem here in Brighton and Hove too!! That’s salt air is a bugger 😂
Thanks for watching 😊🙏🏼
As you have the keys, you can always try to identify via you key catalogue,don’t always work but a good starting point
I’ll bare that in mind next time, thanks Casey, and thanks for watching 🙏🏼😊
A job is never a fail when you achieve your goal. No matter how it's done, and you've made the customer happy, and she did sound happy when the door opened. That new gate with the marine grade lock, well there is a failed job right there that will continue to fail. Lying to the customer, not finishing the job by putting in all the screws, a heavy solid timber gate like that needs all the hinge screws in plus they built the gate wrong. The brace was in the wrong position, brace always must be run from the hinge side to lock side or it will have no support and continue to sag. The gate will never sit right in the keep, no matter what a Locky does. The owner needs to call the company back, tell them the gate was built incorrectly and installed sub standard and wants a replacement gate made properly. That gate would have cost a fair bit as well. Thanks for this video. I've been busy so playing catchup on videos, cheers
Hey PW.
Thanks for your comments.
Regarding the gate. I’ve just received the new replacement lock so I’ll be returning there next week. You’re the 3rd person to say it’s been made wrong and I will let the customer know when I go back next week.
Hope you are keeping well and thanks as always for watching 😊🙏🏼
Has to look like something even if not an emergency fair dues
The diagonal bracing on the gate has been fitted in the wrong direction, that's probably the reason the gate has dropped?
Unfortunately that gate will continue to drop for years to come.
The incorrect direction the bracing is fitted, actually encourages that gate to drop...
(Bench Joiner 30 years)
Any new recipe ideas?
Well spotted mate. With the brace pointing the wrong way..
Seen this a view times , were
People fitting doors. Are not joiners..
Yeah as Paul said also……I’ll make the customer aware! It’s also a shame that when they refitted the lock I’d fitted to the previous gate they couldn’t fit it in the right place 🙄
Recipe Ideas??
Thanks for watching 😊
@@paulkeenan6430 That was the first thing I spotted too, also a screw pre driller would prevent splitting.
Good job there Andy , I was screaming near enough at my phone watching you ID’ing the mortice lock. I could tell by the key it was 7 gauge then when you said it was grey I was nearly falling of my seat and then when you said it never had a hard plate and non BS that was it , it was confirmed for me that it was a viscount pmsl.🤣🤪 Great job man. Great job.👍🏼 👊🏼
Sorry Murchie but is anybody told you this but you can be an idiot…. Another great video Andy.👍✊
@@williammurch8398 Yep all the time 🤔
Hahaha well done mate. In my head I was thinking it was a Viscount but not being able to see the nipples either side was throwing me!! And I started to question myself 🙄
Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
@@williammurch8398 don’t really know how to respond to this 😂😂😂
If you can get access to the inside and have the keys and the levers failed I’ve managed to air bag the door so there’s a gap then use the key to lift the levers and get a old bent hooked screwdriver or something into the rebait and it usually pops the bolt back because you have the levers up with the key
Worst case scenario Muti tool can zip though the bolt if your inside but if there’s bars in the bolt it’s heavy going, but needs must buddy especially if it’s a dead lock and your not wanting to muller the door 👍🏻
Nice one Mark. Yeah unfortunately I didn’t have access to the inside this time 😐
Thanks for watching mate 😊🙏🏼
I've drilled on the wrong side. Had a gun safe that was locked, customer was selling their dad's house and needed to clear out the safe. I ID'd the lock, tried picking but it hadn't been opened in so long it wouldn't budge. Drilled through all the safe door and the hardplate before realising I'd been an idiot. Luckily they weren't bothered about me drilling the safe as they were disposing of them anyway.
This was one of those when I just wasn’t concentrating enough! I had one eye on the job and the other on my van which was parked illegally 😂😂
Thanks for watching mate 😊🙏🏼
Good Job. There is no shame in owning your errors. It's how you grow. I just wish more people in the world would take ownership of there mistakes rather than placing blame on others (You would almost think I'm talking about Politicians).
Hahaha omg!!! That will never happen, those lying scumbags!!!
Thanks mate, and thanks for watching😊
What are the common keys in the UK for houses
Much the same as your profile picture 👍🏼
I didn't know lever locks were still a thing in 2022...
Absolutely Jonathan. I’m guessing you’re not from the Uk? More commonly know as mortice locks but very very popular in the UK.
Thanks for watching 😊
You need a 50mm hole cutter you can see lots then 🤣 no seriously I don't see an issue here, so what you didn't hit it first time. All within the handle,good job sir 👏I'm new to the game but with Seth on the routering more to see more first 👍
Cheers bud. I’ve ordered a couple of 100mm hole saws just to be sure 😂
Thanks for watching mate 😊👍🏼
@@brighton_locksmith best to have both options I suppose 🤣
No problem with putting the info on here as it’s not an opening method. Very often the wear in the era curtains means the a lever or several are not quite getting at correct height for gate. If you insert the key and rotate and lightly tension (I use a wire through the hole in bow) and as the key reaches position so levers are at full height rap the end of key with a bump hammer or handle of screwdriver. You are effectively passing the kinetic energy through hitting the key through key and into levers which very often is enough to just bounce the lever the fraction it needs to make the gate.
Mate, that’s an excellent tip that I will definitely give a go next time 😊 I presume this is worth trying with other curtained locks too??
Thanks very much Simon, and thanks for watching 😊🙏🏼
@@brighton_locksmith yes mate always worth a try on all curtained locks, have opened dozens of the red case era invincible using this method over the years. Very often with the viscount though the lock cap has come loose so it’s always going to be challenging.
@@simontrifunovic1469 Thanks mate, much appreciated 😊😁
Long shot but could you potentially of got the customer to take a close up picture of the lock from the inside to ID it?
Possibly, I didn’t really think of that but that is something I will remember for next time 😀
Thank you and thank you for watching 🙏🏼😊
I love honest videos, we’ve all been there 💪🏻 here are my pointers pal
1. The key even though a copy was a dead giveaway to the brand, all ERA keys have that shape
2. When I’m dealing with a rusty keyhole I use a router bit to enlarge the keyhole upwards to gain more knowledge, colour/potential hardplate
3. Viscounts are notorious for curtains failing/disintegrating
4. I’ve developed a method for opening in this situation that doesn’t involve drilling the lock
Send me a message pal
Thanks Seth, absolute legend. Any technique other than drilling would be awesome to know.
I’m away at the moment in Leeds but I’ll drop you a message in the next day or 2 if that’s ok? I’m very intrigued 😊
Thanks for watching bud and speak soon 😊🙏🏼
@@brighton_locksmith not a problem mate, I first cam across this technique on a Viscount as it goes, won’t necessarily work on every lock but it’s definitely worth a shot before getting the trusty drill out
What he said.
That gate will have dropped because the braces are the wrong way round. The braces will be pushing the gate downward on the lock side. The braces should be going upward from the hinge side.
you did fine. The only time you fail is when you have finished the day and haven't learned anything. Locksmith and More LLC.
Thanks mate, and very true 😊
Thanks for watching 😊
Mortice ID in no fun mate feel your pain there, do you have gauge keys? they help on id'n but the way it was flopping about in the door you did well to get near, but when it was all buttoned up no one would ever know
I knew it was a 5 gauge! To be honest I knew deep down what it was but was questioning myself because of not being able to see the nipples either side of the keyway 🙄
Thanks for watching mate 🙏🏼😊
An open is an open mate. It's not easy otherwise everybody would be doing it.
Mortice locks on the wrong side is always a pain in the arse.
Yes mate, that’s very true 😊
Do these locks get really rusty in Brighton as you are near the sea? Wtf, I see a lot of rusted up locks in your vids.
The Era viscount lock is shite too be honest had loads of come backs in my dads shop always an open end lever or curtain problem and the coating always rust my friend called me one time was locked in his house I had too rock the key upwards and down for 30 minutes or so from the outside just as I was about too drill it opened my friend was the joke of Howdens for weeks work colleagues keep teasing him any excuse not come too work 😆
Hahahaha! 😂😂
Yeah I’ve had a few viscounts with snapped curtains 😐
You are too hard on yourself mate. That job wasn't a fail in any way, shape or form. Identifying a lock body type with limited visual access isn't an easy task considering the state of the lock body. Out of curiosity, was the fault a lever spring issue? Just curious. Every Locksmith has had to drill a lock at some point in their career. If they tell you otherwise they are full of shit. Love the hoover action. Left it cleaner than when you arrived:-)
Thanks mate. Very kind of you.
The lady said she had been trying for ages to open the lock so when I arrived the curtain had snapped so was just spinning and had dropped!
She said she tried to force the key and heard a snap so I think it may of been a lever problem originally then she had snapped the curtain in the process of trying to get it open!
Thanks for watching mate 😊🙏🏼
Long useless video. We don’t have all the time of the world!
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But you had the time to comment on my long useless video 😂😂
Cheers for commenting and helping my RUclips algorithms 👍🏼👍🏼 Legend 👏🏼