I hate tanky Peek-a-Boo enemies. They are so annoying. You have to wait so long till they allow you to hit them. And if you dont have all your bursts up the moment they give you a chance, you wont make the time. I hate them. And this abyss is full of them.
That's a good way to put it. It's why I hate the Wenut in the Abyss. Great boss in the over-world, but once you put that timer on, it's basically not fair. It goes underground, it flies.... and sure there are windows available, but enough windows within 90 seconds for you to do like 1,000,000 damage? It's doable... but extremely hard and luck based.
@@Uryvichk Oh yeah... those bosses are basically Neuvillette or Arlecchino salesmen at this point. I've never 36*'d the Abyss anyway, and Wenut/Ruin Serpent are just my excuse during those cycles. :P
12-2-1 is a Furina-check 12-2-2 is a Natlan-check 12-3-1 is a Geo-check 12-3-2 is a bow check Honestly this couldn't really get any more annoying even if they tried...
"Furina check" learn the boss mechanics vape those fire thing on the floor so it comes down, Furina just makes it easier. "Natlan check" xingqiu + c6 fischl destroys the purple boss bar. I saw someone commented that burning also removes the bar very quickly. "Geo check" just use a low invested gorou / ningguang to destroy those things. Wolflord doesn't have much HP, knock it down and do your normal rotation with 3 characters. "Bow check" as stated earlier with the purple boss, fischl can shoot it down and you can resume your normal DPS rotation. There is literally a solution for all the artificial problems people create by insisting on using their same team composition instead of mixing and matching non-meta teams.
@@Creeperificyou are assuming people have every characters that u have to use some like xingqiu on second half means not having first the goldflame fight to use some like xilonen or kachina on first means not having a natlan character of second because not everyone summoned for all the new stuff and just because u can use bow characters doesn't mean all them are good this anemo teams that chacsa are hard bench due to the new boss screwing over burst rotations electro teams can also be out the question due primo having 70% electro res this cycle as well this abyss is mad gimmicky it's not well designed when half what you need to use out of your control you need natlan unit you need a hydro unit and you need a Geo unit to clear with 36 reasonable well
I'd like to provide my woke opinion. I've done this abyss with many different teams, and unironically, and without a shred of sarcasm, VENTI is actually very useful during this Abyss in the second half. While he's limited in chamber 1 vs Primo Geo Vishap (though vv shred through his skill is always going to be useful), his Ult is excellent against Papilla, who does not move during the charge up shield at the beginning of the fight, and thus infusing an element into the burst right on top of it alongside other reactions can break the shield - Ororon or Kachina certainly help though. And then of course, chamber 3, where Venti can be the allocated bow character to shoot down the Drake, consolidating that role to the VV unit of the team. Honestly was super good and I recommend people try it if they're having a hard time fulfilling every check this Abyss is demanding.
@@lulufortytwo3884 It's not even propaganda haha. So the full context is, I have like 4-5 friends who all play genshin, and they typically struggle with their abyss, so I end up helping them make teams or if I'm visiting them I'll usually do it for them. When I did the second half on my account, I used Neuvilette/Kazuha/Ororon to deal with Papilla, but my friends did not have Ororon, or if they did, he wasn't built, so I ended up using that Venti substitute I mentioned and it ended up being an overall easier abyss clear than on my own account lmao (and that friend in particular has much worse builds than me for the record)
9 Stars thanks to Venti (Floor 11) - To discuss, i dont have an exactly weak Sucrose. (C6, R1 Atlas, ~600 em) ... Best skip, got sick of this "kazuha here, kazuha there" so got my 180 locked for Xilonen (after Xiao, whatever, R2 Jade Spear, gonna refine, dont like the "bis" users for the Spear. I'm the Lyney guy, so no Susquino. I dont care Furina, i took cos would be good to Lyney, specially C0 furina which bugs and shine best against Corrosion. Lyney and Lynette lose HP by themselves and return, isnt about heal or self depredation (Hutao & Xiao),is all about "Fluctuation" to gain Fanfare, and lets be fair: is annoying spam charge atack with furina to change Pneuma/Ousia back and forth again. Nowadays i recommend for a First 5* on newbies account the HydroArchon, the water become wine and you WATERWALKING and this is GOOD to explore all around without Kaeya Bridge (he deserve better) since take time, but just need cross a river, you get your stamina bust? nah. + The Lack of Hydro units. (Just 3 ! ! ! Babs, Xingqiu and Candace. Even the only gacha is candace. Xingqiu Paimon Shop, C0 Babs by Rank and Paimon Shp.) Future, to see... focused more on 999 talents for all my charas now, the rest is rest. I just dont bother Floor 12, i do just to talk with my friend who clears it (he didnt had the burnout, well, 10years younger fella eheheh, but my fingers of almost 40yo got a punch)
For the papilla its not "normal/charged/plunge attacks that are infused" its literally any form of elemental application including stuff like hyperbloom and esspecially burning. If you just slot a bit of burning in your team the shield goes down sooo fast. Or literally just go hyperbloom, a bit harder but definitely useable
Bro I get it down in like five seconds at most with my nahida Hyperbloom team. And then I die. And gotta go trough that saurian again with yelan carrying. I hate it sm cause I don’t own any five stars besides them, Raiden and kazuha. (And bennet haha)
You have to hit him 72 times with anything that produces colored text. Reactions are good too because they add more text on top of your attacks. Venti infused burst seems to almost wipe out half of it by itself.
Spiral abyss is ass. I was tired of it in Fontaine. Natlan just made it a boat load worse. I’m done with spiral abyss. I’m burnt out on it. There’s no saving it at this point.
I do get the frustration but u need to understand this game has been around for more than 4 years now people that are playing since launch have super busted accounts by now even as a F2P.....Abyss has always been about dmg check or shield break check this time it's more annoying because the enemies keep staling but yeah I agree this abyss is more on the annoying side but I enjoyed it nonetheless. My teams------- 12) A- Kokomi, Yelan, Xilonen and Furina (All c0 ) B - Chasca C1, Ororon c5, Emilie c1 and bennet c6 I just buy the Welkin every month that's it.
Too much for the equivalent of 1 pull. Be patient and has time pass you gain more resin and use it. [Even my account have the "rule" of : Characters, all then deserve 80+ (Ascended).] Still stop on Act 7. The last abyss was my first time of clear 9 stars on Floor 1 (but with a specific guide and comp of 4* only - the "lucky" chevreuse pull, where she just ask her set + lvl 70+ ... [even those crappy artifacts of past abyss of Song of Days Past] ... Mind you i started play on the probably last day of Ayaka Release. Something like: First August 2021. 2.0 ... (And had a "Adventure Rank" burn out, took 3 months to finish my prim' management of Skyrim 320mods to fits well on the HDD partition and setted to just click and play) Change the sight, remember where this game is good: The open world, to just chill out and walk about the scenario... (is a important factor, if you're the "oldgamer" at this point to had experienced Skyrim for example, where is no meta, just if the build work or not, or strategies for certain enemies, or just skipp, get stronger and return to the triumph) I'm bleeding very F2P to say, 8 5* C0 with Mualani. Skipped Kazuha to have Venti, mind you. (And is a breeze with him to clear Floor 11 9 Stars. Worth enough and make it so FAST you dont get bored) 12? Nah, bloads of artifacts below +20, loads of charas yet to lvl 90 and talents 999. ehehe.
@@saahil0855 "Monthly player". on the Pyramid of "Ocean Meme", you're a Dolphin. Not F2P bro. You can think you're, because dont buy top'up genesys , or battle pass? ... I got 2 battlepass which bought alongside welkin moon, and was it.. (Viridescent Hunter for Collei and Solar Pearl for Yanfei, for keep their aesthetics and be fine with the build.)... is way more occasional $ ... but if you streak 6 months with welkin in a roll, bruh... wake up, people on Africa dont eat the chocolate they produce.
Gonna be honest, I don't get how people can be burnt out on it. It's 30 minutes to an hour once a month. If that is burning people out, they should start looking at other factors, because it's definitely not the abyss' fault at this point.
Kinich really carried me on the abyss, I have never 36 stars the abyss before and couldn't care to retry but can now get a consistent 36 stars since i pulled him. I dont have any 5 stars with cons, but I'm lucky I now have the right teams.🥳
I still suck at Tulpa, but Kinich carried me heavily too! He gave me my first 36* the first time I pulled him. I still don't have a decent circlet and sands on him, and he still doesn't have a non-clunky natlan teammate, but he's a powerhouse already.
I knew there was a reason why Chasca has a multiple element attack. She shreds certain mobs shields like nothing. I don't really like how Hoyo makes these specialized units and makes life tough without them. And honestly I can see all these Natlan units dropping off hard once we leave the region. That is wack.
Chamber 1: Neuvillette Hypercarry (standard Kazuha/Furina/Xilonen support) Chamber 2: Hyperbloom (Nahida/Kuki/Yelan/Xingqiu) This is how I 36 star'd it. Nahida is C0 with her signature weapon. All other 5 stars are C0R0. Kuki and Xingqiu are C6. I _barely_ managed to 36 star it this way. This one is _rough._ The second one is a lot easier with Kinich or Chasca, but the bosses waste so much time and you really need the right characters to not have to waste even more time. As someone once said to me: It's a roster check more than an element check.
12:49 no xilonen didnt powercrept kazuha she made another position of being as same as kazuha, she didn't completely replaced him. Still both use very differently kazuha skill use for grouping and swirling shred nearby enemy which could only shred 1 or 2 element (surrounding element with element status on enemy) whereas xilonen can shred 3 multiple elements at the same time with just using skill 2NA and can also be use to shred geo res on enemy using her skill with geo infusion to crystallize with enemy status only difference here is kazuha shred buff last 8 sec whereas xilonen buff last 20 sec longer. Mainly xilonen used for single target boss and for kazuha it utilizes single target as well as multiple target. Only Xilonen plus point comes with how well it synergies with furina fanfare buff which makes very useful with pair furina team comp.But Kazuha is still upholds best swirl and grouping he is still majorly used till today also.
these are the teams i used for the second chamber: first half: yelan/nahida/kuki/xingqiu running only xingqiu and his aunt for hydro app was kinda annoying for breaking the birds pyro shield but it was definitely doable, just kinda reset impact second half: neuvi/furina/zhongli/kazuha didnt have to use a natlan character to break his shield bc i just waited for it to expire. was still able to 3 star pretty comfortably tho
I just saw someone cleared the golden wolflord using Raiden National ( No Geo character) that player just brute force it early and did not had the chance to throw those 3 mini wolf
Yea the golden wolf lord is actually ez and u can brute force if u have enough dmg I used raiden national in first half and for second half i use kuki nahida xinque fischl
I used alhaitham hyperbloom (C0R0, no nahida) and kinich burning (C0R1); imo 12-1 is the hardest due to crazy dps check while 12-2 is quite easy once you know the mechanics Totally agreed with what you said about bis teams, it's not enough to have the right characters, you also need their premium team to perform well in this abyss (neuvi/furi/xilonen etc)
I also don’t think that the abyss being hard is an issue. It’s literally the end game content of the game and for me personally, it’s very boring when I just 36* it immediately and have nothing else to do for another month. The fact that you have to learn the bosses patterns and somehow manage to get them down with your current teams is quite fun and entertaining.
While I didn't struggle much in this abyss for having the right cards for each situation (for instance using Furina against the flaming bird or using Clorinde's rapid elemental hits on the mimic boss), I saw a lot of people struggling in it (especially on Chamber 2)
10:00 thank god he got mentioned eventually ^^ Yeah Ororon is very key, specially for 12-3 cuz you can hit the blight down, not to mention he can dogde the 12-1 boss attack w/o shield, just jumping. Ororon is a freakin gem.
This abyss is very very hard imo. I have almost all 5* at C0 no signature weapon. Even the best team barely made it. PS so many retries for me. Pss it was still fun😅 my team was 1st chamber 1st part only Niluo nahida baizhu furina For 2nd chamber 2.part only Kinich Emily xianling bennett The rest Neuvy furina kazuha xilonen Arle yelan xingqui zhongli
This abyss cycle was pretty good actually, actually made me think of ideal team composition instead of just braindead high damage dps / meta supports. Purple abyss boss doesnt need natlan characters. Just use xingqiu, fischl, kachina (free natlan char) and an invested dps character. Don't need to always slot in xilonen or kazuha just to deal like 30% more dmg but cant even counter the enemies' mechanics. Wolflord? Just use your main DPS team and slot in one random geo character to deal with the mechanic. Your DPS had more than enough damage to destroy rhe wolflord after it gets knocked down. Aeonblight drake? Fischl exists. Use her to deal with it and the purple boss, same chamber anyway. Flying fire bird? Vaporize those fire thingy on the floor and use your hydro character (neuvillette, kokomi, mona, yelan, furina) while it is in melee range to destroy its shield. This cycle is literally mix and match according to the mechanics rather than DPS check. If you dont have enough DPS in any of your teams, why are you even trying to 36 star abyss anyway?
I had a lot of fun, personally. I did struggle a bit with the flaming bird/dragon thing but i dont have furina to auto target it so it was more a time thing than actual difficulty. Kinich trivialized second half.
Genshin players are always the same. "Abyss is too hard/easy." "Just increasing HP is just making the enemies sponges." but also "Adding gimmick bosses that require specific teams is annoying." Like at this point, what are they supposed to do? If they make abyss hard by giving enemies too much HP, people complain that it's just a DPS check. If they make an abyss like this one, where the right team combination makes it so much easier, that's also bad, because people want to play with the same team they built. As far as I am concerned, the abyss is not that hard as long as you just think a bit about your team and not just take the one that's always been clearing. First side obviously wants you to build a team with hydro character(s), but also a Geo character. Again, these bosses are gimmicky, but that also means, you don't need to do the highest damage. You don't need to constantly hit the dragon for example, because it spawns these two spikes that take a good chunk of its shield. So you only need to hit it for a few additional times, once it comes down. And the wolflord should be known at this point. Just bring a character that can easily do Geo damage and either has enough up time on that damage or who doesn't have too much of a cooldown. Yes, these gimmicks cost you time, but this is balanced out by the other side, which also has gimmicks, but instead of taking time, if you properly use these gimmicks, you gain a lot of time. The Papilla boss can be made trivial, if you just do enough elemental damage. ANY elemental damage. So it's clear what to do. Use a Electro and/or Dendro team (burning works especially well, but Quicken as well as Electro charged are also strong options). It doesn't matter how high that elemental damage is. As long as you do it, it counts the same towards the shield. And if you have a Natlan character, it becomes even more trivial. For the third chamber, the gimmick is for you to bring a bow character to shoot down the boss so you can do a lot of damage. So basically best in slot character for second half is Fischl (as a non-Natlan character) and then you decide which option you want to take, since she is pretty flexible in almost all the aforementioned teams (except for burning). Point being, people need to stop to always freak out if they can't beat abyss on their first try. Since I never fought the Papilla before, I had to learn how it works as well. I couldn't just brute force my way through its HP pool like before (well, technically you can, but my characters aren't built well enough for that). I had to actually take a step back and understand how the gimmick works. And once you get that, it's an even easier abyss than before. Of course, a more gimmicky abyss means it can be difficult if you lack proper characters, but you have one month to build something that can get you through these gimmicks. It's a more interesting design than the last for sure, because they didn't just put ridiculous HP pools inside. But that's my opinion as someone who is actually somewhat interested in the gameplay. I guess, if you aren't, then this is annoying, though why would you then even care for something like the abyss in the first place?
TLDR, but I agree with your first paragraph. Too much HP, complain. Enemies with mechanics that can be countered using different characters, also complain. Players just want to use their main team that they built instead of trial an error playing with their team composition to slot in ideal characters, but they just want to braindead slot in kazuha + Xilonen + bennett everytime.
@@Creeperific I mean, it's not like this Abyss really stopped that anyway. I used both Xilonen and Bennett in this Abyss and they were of more value compared to previous Abysses, arguably, given what they offer you. The issue isn't that they're gimmick bosses, it's that they're 'obscure gimmick' bosses with wide HP pools, one of which has a Pyro shield and flies around a lot such that it's difficult for players to hurt it even if you get rid of the Pyro constructs that it puts on the ground.
@@Ben_CleverName I wouldn't say Xilonen performs better in this abyss cycle than in previous cycles, all she does is elemental buffs and shred. Doesn't have a whole lot of gimmicks that counter specific boss gimmicks. When I played this cycle, I felt that the wolflord, aeonblight drake and primogeovishap were super easy to clear, only the purple boss and consecrated beasts were a tad more difficult due to them being extremely tanky and hard hitting. We have access to non natlan characters which have fast hit rates (xingqiu, fischl, Yelan, Clorinde, venti infused burst, burning) just to name a few. This abyss cycle felt a bit more like imaginarium theater but we get to choose our team composition.
I heard that people have been saying this Abyss Floor 12 is difficult but honestly I felt it wasn’t that bad… I was in the 5.2 beta and during the beta for this abyss and it felt way more difficult in the beta than in the live game. I used Neuv, Furina, Zhongli, Xilonen on top half and Kinich burning team on second half. The Qucusaur is newer so I can see there being a learning curve and Temebrious is new as well with really wanting normal attack/night soul. Golden Wolflord also wants geo to make it more comfy so I think this Abyss makes you think about team building a bit more but overall difficulty isn’t too bad
I luckily run Ningguang and Zhongli with a hydro resonance which usually has Furina so the first half I have covered. But the problem I've run into is that I have NOT pulled any Natlan characters as of yet as I've been saving for Mavuika and Citlali and currently have Kachina at C0 so 2nd phase is effectively shot for me. Normally you can potentially skate by in Spiral if you just have a repertoire of characters built well. But the fact that this Spiral makes a Nightsoul dps mandatory is one of the most frustrating embargoes ever. I haven't looked into the timing yet but I hope Spiral doesn't reset before the next patch release just so I can have access to some extra rewards.
I only got 31 stars on the recent abyss reset. But thanks to Chasca & Furina on 1st half, then Kinich & Ororon on the 2nd half, I manage to finish floor 12. I might redo it again though
This current abyss is not too tough. Only 12-1 needs high dps. The rest needs skill. 12-1-2 use shield to reflect high damage to enemy. 12-2-1 use hydro catalyst (Neuvillette, Kokomi, Barbara) or Furina or Xingqiu to break shield. 12-2-2 use Nahida hyperbloom or off-field coordinated attacks or Ororon or Kinich to break shield. Requires 72 elemental hits in 15s or Nightsoul. 12-3-1 use Zhongli or Xilonen to break shield. If the opening is not laser, re-start. Or you can kill it before the shield appears. 12-3-2 use bow user. The worst scenario is to do it with 3 runs, one run for each chamber. If you have Chasca, this is her playground. I do not have Neuvillette nor Xilonen nor Chasca, yet cleared it with 36 stars.
Everything is comparative. If it requires much more skill and or well build characters that what has come before then yes its tough and this one is brutal. If not the worst ever then at least the hardest since Wenut first came out and was in the final chamber.
27:12 me too, horizontal investment is what I do.. 68 characters lvl 90, 5 left, all at lvl 70 rn.. great for Imaginarium and hasn't let me down in abyss either.. even so I struggled a bit because although Chasca can clear the papilla easily, she can't clear the other two chambers with my level of investment, so I had to use Arlecchino (who again can't clear papilla)..
@chet_irl Aloy, Sethos (recently got), Ororon (also recent), Gorou (don't like farming Specters), Kaveh (I haven't done the pari quest completely so don't wanna go back to that part of the desert until I'm ready, so no mourning flowers currently).
Which Arlecchino team did you try against the Papi? I send my C0 F2P weapon Arlecchino with C6 Fischl,C6 Bridou and C0 Chevreruse (all on 4 Star weapons) agianst the Papi and kinda jsut killed it pretty quickly, could even get through the shield, despite going in without charged bursts. Funny enogh the Papi was the second easiest room after the Drake.
How do you not run out of Mora? I struggle so much bc I’ve built Raiden Shogun, Albedo, Kuki, Furina, and Zhongli and finished building Xingqiu, Xiangling, and Fischl since like… mid 5.0 but Ive had to stop temporarily bc I lowkey ran out of Mora😭
Burning is also good for the boss on 12-2-2, so Mualani mains can pretty easily use a BurnVape team on 2nd half (I did it with Collei, actually, as she's also a bow character for the Drake).
This is the first time in a long time when I got 27* pretty easy (floors 9-11) and then when it came to floor 12... I just looked at enemy line up, and said "I am not sweating through that". Went to bed, felt great. I don't think it's insurmountable, but I just didn't feel like it. @CountMonsparkle said it best in the comments. I had a similar impression, and just don't have the patience to craft a solution to all that in a way that would land me another 200 primos at most.... not worth my time. I can just log in for 2-3 days, loot some chests and come out ahead.
To be honest, I actually really enjoyed this abyss compared to the last few. I only manged to 32 stars it, but it was so much more fun than just throwing in my 2 best teams and see how they perform. I had so many redos, characters that had to be swaped etc. Instead of grinding, it felt more like gaming. It felt like when I first cleared the abyss. At first I was: F this 200 primos is not worth it but now I have to say, I really enjoy the idea of having this many restrictions in characters to use against bosses.
2:43 bro is one Xilonen from the legendary Wheelchair team. I did it with a similar team for part 1 and an Arle "random bullshit go" for p2. Arle/Nahida/Fischl/Bennet. Don't ask me why the important thing is that it works 😂 I love the overall "it was not hard for me therefore it is easy skill issue get gud" that I see a LOT in Genshin's community. This is why people meme hard on this community. And this is why the devs where flabbergasted last year that there were so much bad sentiment towards the game. Stop this. This abyss is dog water and annoying as hell for the vast majority of the players. It will hurt the game down the line. Imagine spending hundreds of dollars to pull for Zhongli and then getting one shot by a funny purple plant anyway. I would never trust the devs again. "Should have pulled the last character" yeah, great, what a great game design.
At first I was having trouble team building, and having mixed results but I finally decided on Raiden Furina Yelan Xilonen side 1 Tighnari Nahida Yae Miko Zhongli side 2
I haven't pulled for any Natlan characters, but i was able to 36 star. On the 2nd half of floor 12 i did Xingqiu, Arlechino, Yelan & Bennett. They were able to break that shield very quickly.
Imagine if in Genshin Impact characters weren’t able to leave their home nations. That alone would have been enough to limit power creep. Want to play in Natlan? Pyro Traveler, Kachina as a freebie, another free 4-star, and if you don’t want a team of just three characters, you pull. Almost no need for an extreme power creep. The ability to add far more 4-star characters from each nation. Focus on the world with events scattered across the nations that would remain interesting challenges. No need for an extreme Abyss like the one we have now. Instead, we have Mavuika, who from what they say can hit 3M damage at C0. Fun. Or maybe not.
Took me like 2 hours to find the best team for this... Team 1 navia yelan xinqui and xilonen Team2 chasca furina fischl and Benny boy ... That's all it took... Mindless team I got there
I managed, but it was very close. First half: - Zhongli C0/Black Tassel - Arlecchino C0/R1 Primordial Jade Spear - Yelan C0/R5 Fav Bow - Xingqiu C6/R5 Sac Sword Second half: - Furina C2/R5 Wolf-Fang - Childe C4/R1 Aqua Simulacra - Xilonen C0/R5 Fav Sword - Ororon C1/R1 Elegy for the End
A sleeper pick for the Papilla is Dori. If you have Dori then she SHREDS the Papilla's shield since it only counts hits and not specifically any elemental application. So even if you got her C0, she is great for it. But this Abyss sucked...I had to individually 3 star each floor due to all the requirements each floor wanted. I have Sigewinne and Diona as my only real built bow characters and so I needed a bow on second half...but I also needed Sigewinne to kill the lava avatars on the first floor as well. Sigewinne also does not have enough Hydro application for floor 2 so that was another switch I had to make as well. All around terrible...at least the hardest floor was floor 1 this time, so it didn't take forever testing teams until I got something to work.
The fact I had to use two Natlan characters on each chamber says a lot about the route Hoyo is taking in terms of "end-game content"... They want to sell Natlan characters so bad, as they're making cents.
i just did neuvillette hypercarry with furina, kazuha and xilonen first half. one rotated wolflord after the 3rd attempt and second half arlecchino overload with c6 chevy, fischl and bennett i never have difficulties in abyss with these two. i also tried a raiden overload for second half and it worked out nicely.
the one giving me the most trouble is golden wolflord, because i only have 4 star geo characters. I've been trying to defeat it with noelle/gorou/furina/xingqiu but I'm gonna try brute forcing it with hyperbloom next
My 36 star run was done with Neuvillette/Furina/Zhongli/Kazuha first half Then Chasca/Bennett/Layla/Ororon second half Wolflord wasnt exactly graceful with only Zhongli for geo but it was enough. And yeah, Chasca just makes a complete joke out of the Papilla and the Drake. Also considering she doesn't really need to take the time to bring down the drake either
i failed both the geo check on 12-3 and furina check on floor -2 so first side is a nightmare for me (i have still not cleared floor 3 even once {i have both the 3 stars from the first 2 floors})
First half is literally for neuvillette team, furina second chamber and Zhongli/Xilonen third chamber. It's only an issue for f2p player who doesn't have Neuvillette exclusive team.
Genshin is a game where difficulty increase is based on damage and new characters mechanics, skill has little significance because the combat is server based and the animations are too long specially for high ping and this trend of less skill and more damage/new characters mechanics is only getting more relevant, it wouldn´t be surprising if at one point, having extremely OP characters won´t be enough to 36* the abyss because the game requires you to have characters with certain mechanic, pneuma/ousia and now nightsoul could be just the beginning.
I have to admit, this abyss is giving me a little schadenfreude. A lot of people have been hard hating on Mavuika "This isn't what we wanted! She looks terrible! I'm not getting her" and the reaction to abyss was exactly what I expected. I don't think a lot of people what it means to skip the current archon in spiral abyss and it's even worse that she's not out yet. I prioritized older characters I wanted over Nahida and Furina's debut and got them at reruns. I had to play some terrible teams in Sumeru like an Alhaitham QB team with Tartaglia as my hydro unit support (constellation4) because I needed his bow for the ruin drake. It was ridiculous, but enough for 33 stars so I was cool with it. At a certain point, it's not worth it to me to jump through the hoops. But like it was mentioned, the restrictions have kind of always been there. I really need pyro since it's my weakest element besides geo (albedo keeps dodging me). Not having to struggle in the abyss for six months is going to be a nice change. I can't wait to see the difference on performance from now vs later. Furina shaved off a whole minute from my clear times.
Most people want more variety in difficult endgame. The answer is not the just make abyss harder. A lot of people say the community asks for abyss to be harder. Maybe you heard that but I never have. I hear people asking for more different modes. Just making abyss harder is half assed. Don't blame the community for that.
unpopular opinion but i enjoy this level of challenge, on my f2p account (only 34 stars so far). my day 1 welkin account still easily blew it out of the water
24:00 That's why i like IT as well, because we had no use for a lot of 4 stars, and like you guys, i've built them anyway cuz we are all at a point that basically we got nothing else to do, and we've gotten enough artifacts that other chars can be built by "themselves" per say. Prior to IT we had no need for them, now i'm ready to take Eula out of the vault ^^ And oh boy will she hit hard :D
I used: C1 Yelan, Furina, C2 Xilonen, Zhongli Kinich, Thoma, Bennet, Dehya I have Chasca but it takes time to finish with her. So I'd rather use or invest in Kinich's constellation soon... cuz he just wrecks everyone DPS wise.
If it helps at all I used Neuvilette Furina Xilonen Navia you can sub Kazuha for Xilonen Then Nahida Yelan Xingqiu Shinobu. You can try using a Yao Yao. My friend said she got it to work but your results may vary.
Used Neuv , xilo ,kaz, and Furina on 1rst 1/2 And Raiden, chev, Xiang and Bennett on 2nd Took a few tries, The big hit on papilla can be dodged. Happens when the meter gets full. , drake was hard because no bow. So was not ideal.
My main issue with Spiral Abyss is when they introduce enemies that stall out the timer. The Wenut, Wolflord and Ruin Serpent are the biggest offenders. To a lesser extend Solo Kenki and Primo Geovishap when they first get up. If the Goldflame Qucusaur Tyrant a few more Pyro constructs to break and fell down instantly after breaking all five of the constructs, instead of merely bringing it closer to the ground, the fight would be more balanced for a larger cast of units. That change would also make it closer to the Millennial Pearl Seahorse in during that phase. The Abyss just needs better mechanics balance. The Abyss versions of the overworld bosses should just have different mechanics that work in tandem with the timer instead of trivializing it. Though... this is a gacha and not a normal game so balance doesn't *really* matter.
Shouldn't have to go for cons and weapons to clear content especially content that rewards primo. At that point its not about skill it's about being lucky or spending. I cleared didn't have too much difficulty getting the 36 stars. It shouldn't take a day 1 player with a highly horizontal account to clear end game content. The current end game content is increasingly becoming harder for new accounts and people don't have the time to invest into their favourites anymore. I tried to do it again without my highly invested mono hydro team and Natlan characters for the other side. It was really rough on even for my 4 year old account.
Lots of good things said. IT even on visionary is easy for me b/c of horizontal investment. I didn't wish for natlan characters. Neither do I have Chiori, Emilie or Arle. All runs I saw always had characters I didn't have, or 4 stars with more constellations than I had.
I don't think it's hard especially for old player that already has decent DPS team. just your usual DPS check. You don't really need Natlan character for Papilla, for me personally i just let it blow and tank the damage or use i frame Elemental Burst then do all-out attack and it still give me a lot of time left. Do you need constellation not really, once again it's more like DPS or maybe Artifact check. Well of course broken team comp helps me a lot to 36 starts on first attempt. My team : Phase 1 : Neuvilette, Furina, Kazuha, Xilonen (All C0) i just got Neuvilette so i really want to use him on abyss, and yeah he is broken Phase 2 : Arlecchino, Yelan, Bennet, Zhongli (All C0 except Bennet C5) I do get it, that for "new player" that maybe just play a year or two they will struggle since Artifact RNG is so evil and rerun sometimes really take a long time to get character that you needed.
no, building a character in that game takes 1 year, u need 8 characters + they need to be specific, so by the time you're done bulding a team for this abyss cycle 8 years will pass. By then they will be all power crept and useless. Its impossible for new players to catch up
To me it's just ridiculous the difference between 11 and 12 They should definitely do 13 at this point and make 12 as it was time ago. 11 is stupidly easy for someone with a good roaster, while 12 is ass and also some even broken units may not be effective (not geo against geo wolf). It's just not balanced. Tho I'd even personally do other two floors for whales, so 15 in total. If the difficulty is crescent and rational (a word unknown at boyo) it's a different story and I won't be personally bothered not doing those ones, if they're meant for C6 charas and stuff.
As a Person Who has chasca and furina, so no not many problems on completing It, abyss Is Just becomubf worse and worse in term of game design: too many differents requirements for the 3 phases ( bows, reactions, enemy immune to elettro etc)
We need Sevyplays to comeback in this abyss and showcase 4* characters doing this cycle, so that new and f2p players will have template to clear this one. But yep shes in hiatus rn so no Sevyplays for the time being.
That won't be a problem for me, because I really do not like the abyss not even a little bit. I only did it for the free 4 stars. It is the same for me for the immginarium theater I ignored it from the beginning and also the TCG that makes me nauseating! My personal opinion tho...they are all big fillers, that have so little to do with the game lore.
You dont need Neuvilette or Furina to beat the Flame Qucusaurus, XQ burst reaches him when you understand how the boss moves. Xilonen did not powercreep Kazuha, they're equal in value. You can cheese the Wolf Lord even with basic teams like Raiden National. It doesn't force you to use anything, Natlan units just bring QoL and time save, you can manage. Don't mislead people into thinking that BiS characters are mandatory.
I started playing in 4.8 I don't have any hydro characters except Nilou and Xingqiu. So i had to pull Navia and Nilou together in one team . And lv20 collei nahida hyperbloom to 36 star. Definately biased towards Hydro havers😵
i used Neuviletter team and Arlecchino overloaded team i think the hard one is Chamber 1-1 1-2 and chamber 2-2 both chamber 3 is EZ Chamber 3-1 i blasted it with Neuvillet it my first time fighting it idk the mechanics even. just pure Brute.
Hutao Furina Siegwinne Xilonen Klee Nahida Zhongli Chiori Only reset is when I switch places of Zhongli and Xilonen, then it’s an easy 36 stars, no Neuv no Arle, Only one geo character for golden retriever, no bow character for Flying dragon, it’s not difficult, your character just sucks.
You don´t need Chasca. Had already forgotten about Kachina? lol The goldflame doesn't like Furina or Yae Miko elemental skill Golden wolflord doesn't like Ningguang and Navia normal attack infusion Meta players can't really think outside of the box. . . Bruh
I think there is a prety huge difference betwean the abyss being hard and the abyss trying to force you to get all the new characters. I mean if the leaks are true the 5.3 mavuika launch abyss provides a dmg boost for np spent to pyro dmg and charge attacks. For example if we compare it to bosses in dark souls or elden ring. Rykard in elden ring is not balanced around just being hard he is supposed to be killed with a certain spezific weapon. For this abyss chasca is that weapon. Like I said there is a difference betwean being hard and being bullshit. This is bullshit and no offence bro but not everyone can whale on this game and throw c1+ r1 characters on this game or pull for every character. So I don't think you can call this even a skill issue. I mean fair the day 1 player with his c3 Diluc hypercarry team has not the best cards in hand but if you pull smart and pull for the best characters in the game as an f2p I think there should be no scenario in which you get cockblocked by bullshit like that and this is not even "you can't play a specific type of team thats why you cant play optimal against every boss" this is a matter of "you didn't want chasca so get fucked nerd" + lets be real here chasca is not a character anyone that wants to pull at least close to optimally and that doesn't pull for her because he realy loves her should go for. This just fells like everytime a new dps I don't need comes out I have to think if theres a boss in the game I can only clear optimally if I pull that character so even if I don't need that char or mby like in chascas case the char isn't even that great mby I should pull them anyways to not miss on abyss clears. Not saying Im going to but this is just a way to push fomo even harder imho.
I hate tanky Peek-a-Boo enemies. They are so annoying. You have to wait so long till they allow you to hit them. And if you dont have all your bursts up the moment they give you a chance, you wont make the time. I hate them. And this abyss is full of them.
That's a good way to put it. It's why I hate the Wenut in the Abyss. Great boss in the over-world, but once you put that timer on, it's basically not fair. It goes underground, it flies.... and sure there are windows available, but enough windows within 90 seconds for you to do like 1,000,000 damage? It's doable... but extremely hard and luck based.
Yep, I hate to wait to continue fighting, extremely unbalanced, this Abyss sucks!
@@John_II It always bothered me that you can stun the Ruin Serpent and the Wenut... and then they get back up extremely quickly.
@@Uryvichk Oh yeah... those bosses are basically Neuvillette or Arlecchino salesmen at this point.
I've never 36*'d the Abyss anyway, and Wenut/Ruin Serpent are just my excuse during those cycles. :P
12-2-1 is a Furina-check
12-2-2 is a Natlan-check
12-3-1 is a Geo-check
12-3-2 is a bow check
Honestly this couldn't really get any more annoying even if they tried...
I only used Nathan in first half with Xilonem, idk where you got the idea of Natlan check
"Furina check" learn the boss mechanics vape those fire thing on the floor so it comes down, Furina just makes it easier.
"Natlan check" xingqiu + c6 fischl destroys the purple boss bar. I saw someone commented that burning also removes the bar very quickly.
"Geo check" just use a low invested gorou / ningguang to destroy those things. Wolflord doesn't have much HP, knock it down and do your normal rotation with 3 characters.
"Bow check" as stated earlier with the purple boss, fischl can shoot it down and you can resume your normal DPS rotation.
There is literally a solution for all the artificial problems people create by insisting on using their same team composition instead of mixing and matching non-meta teams.
@@Creeperificyou are assuming people have every characters that u have
to use some like xingqiu on second half means not having first the goldflame fight
to use some like xilonen or kachina on first means not having a natlan character of second because not everyone summoned for all the new stuff
and just because u can use bow characters doesn't mean all them are good this anemo teams that chacsa are hard bench due to the new boss screwing over burst rotations electro teams can also be out the question due primo having 70% electro res this cycle as well
this abyss is mad gimmicky it's not well designed when half what you need to use out of your control you need natlan unit you need a hydro unit and you need a Geo unit to clear with 36 reasonable well
@@Creeperific "GAME BORING TOO EASY"
game does anything that forces people outside their comfort zone:
cant win lmao, either way people will complain.
@@TybossMaster did you even read their comment lmao who are you replying to
I'd like to provide my woke opinion.
I've done this abyss with many different teams, and unironically, and without a shred of sarcasm, VENTI is actually very useful during this Abyss in the second half.
While he's limited in chamber 1 vs Primo Geo Vishap (though vv shred through his skill is always going to be useful), his Ult is excellent against Papilla, who does not move during the charge up shield at the beginning of the fight, and thus infusing an element into the burst right on top of it alongside other reactions can break the shield - Ororon or Kachina certainly help though. And then of course, chamber 3, where Venti can be the allocated bow character to shoot down the Drake, consolidating that role to the VV unit of the team. Honestly was super good and I recommend people try it if they're having a hard time fulfilling every check this Abyss is demanding.
i'm here for this Venti propaganda 😎
@@lulufortytwo3884 It's not even propaganda haha. So the full context is, I have like 4-5 friends who all play genshin, and they typically struggle with their abyss, so I end up helping them make teams or if I'm visiting them I'll usually do it for them. When I did the second half on my account, I used Neuvilette/Kazuha/Ororon to deal with Papilla, but my friends did not have Ororon, or if they did, he wasn't built, so I ended up using that Venti substitute I mentioned and it ended up being an overall easier abyss clear than on my own account lmao (and that friend in particular has much worse builds than me for the record)
venti shilling is always welcome and I love it
@@lulufortytwo3884 ; 2. i'm here for this Venti propaganda 🌀
9 Stars thanks to Venti (Floor 11)
- To discuss, i dont have an exactly weak Sucrose. (C6, R1 Atlas, ~600 em)
... Best skip, got sick of this "kazuha here, kazuha there" so got my 180 locked for Xilonen (after Xiao, whatever, R2 Jade Spear, gonna refine, dont like the "bis" users for the Spear. I'm the Lyney guy, so no Susquino. I dont care Furina, i took cos would be good to Lyney, specially C0 furina which bugs and shine best against Corrosion. Lyney and Lynette lose HP by themselves and return, isnt about heal or self depredation (Hutao & Xiao),is all about "Fluctuation" to gain Fanfare, and lets be fair: is annoying spam charge atack with furina to change Pneuma/Ousia back and forth again.
Nowadays i recommend for a First 5* on newbies account the HydroArchon, the water become wine and you WATERWALKING and this is GOOD to explore all around without Kaeya Bridge (he deserve better) since take time, but just need cross a river, you get your stamina bust? nah. + The Lack of Hydro units. (Just 3 ! ! ! Babs, Xingqiu and Candace. Even the only gacha is candace. Xingqiu Paimon Shop, C0 Babs by Rank and Paimon Shp.)
Future, to see... focused more on 999 talents for all my charas now, the rest is rest. I just dont bother Floor 12, i do just to talk with my friend who clears it (he didnt had the burnout, well, 10years younger fella eheheh, but my fingers of almost 40yo got a punch)
Qucusaur is like the new Wenut, the annoying mostly untargetable boss that you dread seeing in Abyss.
Talk about bad game design the thing might as well be a Furina check.
@@matthewsarson6934 it is a Furina check. Fischl and Yae work pretty well too.
You only need to destroy his pyro-pillars very fast, before the boss.
Then, 1 phase him. Furina is the best, but you don't need her...
@@0rokuSakiand nahida in combination with them. Thats what I did lol.
For the papilla its not "normal/charged/plunge attacks that are infused" its literally any form of elemental application including stuff like hyperbloom and esspecially burning. If you just slot a bit of burning in your team the shield goes down sooo fast. Or literally just go hyperbloom, a bit harder but definitely useable
Or use xingqiu + c6 fischl ez clap, the white bar charges up insanely fast
Bro I get it down in like five seconds at most with my nahida Hyperbloom team. And then I die. And gotta go trough that saurian again with yelan carrying. I hate it sm cause I don’t own any five stars besides them, Raiden and kazuha. (And bennet haha)
You have to hit him 72 times with anything that produces colored text. Reactions are good too because they add more text on top of your attacks. Venti infused burst seems to almost wipe out half of it by itself.
Spiral abyss is ass. I was tired of it in Fontaine. Natlan just made it a boat load worse. I’m done with spiral abyss. I’m burnt out on it. There’s no saving it at this point.
I do get the frustration but u need to understand this game has been around for more than 4 years now people that are playing since launch have super busted accounts by now even as a F2P.....Abyss has always been about dmg check or shield break check this time it's more annoying because the enemies keep staling but yeah I agree this abyss is more on the annoying side but I enjoyed it nonetheless.
My teams------- 12) A- Kokomi, Yelan, Xilonen and Furina (All c0 )
B - Chasca C1, Ororon c5, Emilie c1 and bennet c6
I just buy the Welkin every month that's it.
Too much for the equivalent of 1 pull.
Be patient and has time pass you gain more resin and use it.
[Even my account have the "rule" of : Characters, all then deserve 80+ (Ascended).] Still stop on Act 7.
The last abyss was my first time of clear 9 stars on Floor 1 (but with a specific guide and comp of 4* only - the "lucky" chevreuse pull, where she just ask her set + lvl 70+ ... [even those crappy artifacts of past abyss of Song of Days Past] ... Mind you i started play on the probably last day of Ayaka Release. Something like: First August 2021. 2.0 ... (And had a "Adventure Rank" burn out, took 3 months to finish my prim' management of Skyrim 320mods to fits well on the HDD partition and setted to just click and play)
Change the sight, remember where this game is good: The open world, to just chill out and walk about the scenario... (is a important factor, if you're the "oldgamer" at this point to had experienced Skyrim for example, where is no meta, just if the build work or not, or strategies for certain enemies, or just skipp, get stronger and return to the triumph)
I'm bleeding very F2P to say, 8 5* C0 with Mualani. Skipped Kazuha to have Venti, mind you. (And is a breeze with him to clear Floor 11 9 Stars. Worth enough and make it so FAST you dont get bored) 12? Nah, bloads of artifacts below +20, loads of charas yet to lvl 90 and talents 999. ehehe.
@@saahil0855 "Monthly player". on the Pyramid of "Ocean Meme", you're a Dolphin. Not F2P bro. You can think you're, because dont buy top'up genesys , or battle pass? ... I got 2 battlepass which bought alongside welkin moon, and was it.. (Viridescent Hunter for Collei and Solar Pearl for Yanfei, for keep their aesthetics and be fine with the build.)... is way more occasional $ ... but if you streak 6 months with welkin in a roll, bruh... wake up, people on Africa dont eat the chocolate they produce.
Gonna be honest, I don't get how people can be burnt out on it. It's 30 minutes to an hour once a month. If that is burning people out, they should start looking at other factors, because it's definitely not the abyss' fault at this point.
get good lil bro instead of whining
Kinich really carried me on the abyss, I have never 36 stars the abyss before and couldn't care to retry but can now get a consistent 36 stars since i pulled him. I dont have any 5 stars with cons, but I'm lucky I now have the right teams.🥳
I still suck at Tulpa, but Kinich carried me heavily too! He gave me my first 36* the first time I pulled him. I still don't have a decent circlet and sands on him, and he still doesn't have a non-clunky natlan teammate, but he's a powerhouse already.
30 seconds left isn't hard - thats quite a lot actually.
With C2 and R1 btw remember that.
I knew there was a reason why Chasca has a multiple element attack. She shreds certain mobs shields like nothing. I don't really like how Hoyo makes these specialized units and makes life tough without them. And honestly I can see all these Natlan units dropping off hard once we leave the region. That is wack.
The previous abyss cycles I cleared with so much time to spare. This one the time gating stopped me from getting 36 stars
Burning is absolutely great at removing the papilla shield. I used a ganyu emilie team and it felt just as good as my chasca clear.
Chamber 1: Neuvillette Hypercarry (standard Kazuha/Furina/Xilonen support)
Chamber 2: Hyperbloom (Nahida/Kuki/Yelan/Xingqiu)
This is how I 36 star'd it. Nahida is C0 with her signature weapon. All other 5 stars are C0R0. Kuki and Xingqiu are C6. I _barely_ managed to 36 star it this way. This one is _rough._ The second one is a lot easier with Kinich or Chasca, but the bosses waste so much time and you really need the right characters to not have to waste even more time. As someone once said to me: It's a roster check more than an element check.
12:49 no xilonen didnt powercrept kazuha she made another position of being as same as kazuha, she didn't completely replaced him. Still both use very differently kazuha skill use for grouping and swirling shred nearby enemy which could only shred 1 or 2 element (surrounding element with element status on enemy) whereas xilonen can shred 3 multiple elements at the same time with just using skill 2NA and can also be use to shred geo res on enemy using her skill with geo infusion to crystallize with enemy status only difference here is kazuha shred buff last 8 sec whereas xilonen buff last 20 sec longer. Mainly xilonen used for single target boss and for kazuha it utilizes single target as well as multiple target. Only Xilonen plus point comes with how well it synergies with furina fanfare buff which makes very useful with pair furina team comp.But Kazuha is still upholds best swirl and grouping he is still majorly used till today also.
these are the teams i used for the second chamber:
first half: yelan/nahida/kuki/xingqiu
running only xingqiu and his aunt for hydro app was kinda annoying for breaking the birds pyro shield but it was definitely doable, just kinda reset impact
second half: neuvi/furina/zhongli/kazuha
didnt have to use a natlan character to break his shield bc i just waited for it to expire. was still able to 3 star pretty comfortably tho
I just saw someone cleared the golden wolflord using Raiden National ( No Geo character) that player just brute force it early and did not had the chance to throw those 3 mini wolf
Yes, youtuber shenhe
Don't forget the Kazuha + Layla combo on the aeon drake
Yea the golden wolf lord is actually ez and u can brute force if u have enough dmg
I used raiden national in first half and for second half i use kuki nahida xinque fischl
I used alhaitham hyperbloom (C0R0, no nahida) and kinich burning (C0R1); imo 12-1 is the hardest due to crazy dps check while 12-2 is quite easy once you know the mechanics
Totally agreed with what you said about bis teams, it's not enough to have the right characters, you also need their premium team to perform well in this abyss (neuvi/furi/xilonen etc)
If they added hydro tulpa in 12-1-1, this abyss would've been perfect
that's diabolical
fire golems and then tulpa so that you have to use electro xd
I also don’t think that the abyss being hard is an issue. It’s literally the end game content of the game and for me personally, it’s very boring when I just 36* it immediately and have nothing else to do for another month. The fact that you have to learn the bosses patterns and somehow manage to get them down with your current teams is quite fun and entertaining.
3:26 you can also hit the phoenix by standing on Zhongli's pillar
you technically can but the boss moves around a lot. neuvi can take care of it pretty quick though and furina OP
me who don't own both nuvi n furina 😂😂, but was able full star using childe , he has great hydro application even in bow aim mode
Yes but no, the pillar will get broken really quick, if not then the boss just move away really far making it useless either way
While I didn't struggle much in this abyss for having the right cards for each situation (for instance using Furina against the flaming bird or using Clorinde's rapid elemental hits on the mimic boss), I saw a lot of people struggling in it (especially on Chamber 2)
10:00 thank god he got mentioned eventually ^^ Yeah Ororon is very key, specially for 12-3 cuz you can hit the blight down, not to mention he can dogde the 12-1 boss attack w/o shield, just jumping. Ororon is a freakin gem.
This abyss is very very hard imo. I have almost all 5* at C0 no signature weapon. Even the best team barely made it.
PS so many retries for me.
Pss it was still fun😅
my team was
1st chamber 1st part only
Niluo nahida baizhu furina
For 2nd chamber 2.part only
Kinich Emily xianling bennett
The rest
Neuvy furina kazuha xilonen
Arle yelan xingqui zhongli
i struggled sO HARD with this new Spiral Abyss XD
5:00 nice video so far.I really apreciate someone else's analysis. I gotta say Ororon is extremely good vs the abyss seed.
I like this discussion style
keep doing it
This abyss cycle was pretty good actually, actually made me think of ideal team composition instead of just braindead high damage dps / meta supports.
Purple abyss boss doesnt need natlan characters. Just use xingqiu, fischl, kachina (free natlan char) and an invested dps character. Don't need to always slot in xilonen or kazuha just to deal like 30% more dmg but cant even counter the enemies' mechanics.
Wolflord? Just use your main DPS team and slot in one random geo character to deal with the mechanic. Your DPS had more than enough damage to destroy rhe wolflord after it gets knocked down.
Aeonblight drake? Fischl exists. Use her to deal with it and the purple boss, same chamber anyway.
Flying fire bird? Vaporize those fire thingy on the floor and use your hydro character (neuvillette, kokomi, mona, yelan, furina) while it is in melee range to destroy its shield.
This cycle is literally mix and match according to the mechanics rather than DPS check. If you dont have enough DPS in any of your teams, why are you even trying to 36 star abyss anyway?
I had a lot of fun, personally. I did struggle a bit with the flaming bird/dragon thing but i dont have furina to auto target it so it was more a time thing than actual difficulty. Kinich trivialized second half.
how invested is your kinich? my c0r0 wasn't doing enough dps...
Genshin players are always the same. "Abyss is too hard/easy." "Just increasing HP is just making the enemies sponges." but also "Adding gimmick bosses that require specific teams is annoying." Like at this point, what are they supposed to do? If they make abyss hard by giving enemies too much HP, people complain that it's just a DPS check. If they make an abyss like this one, where the right team combination makes it so much easier, that's also bad, because people want to play with the same team they built.
As far as I am concerned, the abyss is not that hard as long as you just think a bit about your team and not just take the one that's always been clearing. First side obviously wants you to build a team with hydro character(s), but also a Geo character. Again, these bosses are gimmicky, but that also means, you don't need to do the highest damage. You don't need to constantly hit the dragon for example, because it spawns these two spikes that take a good chunk of its shield. So you only need to hit it for a few additional times, once it comes down. And the wolflord should be known at this point. Just bring a character that can easily do Geo damage and either has enough up time on that damage or who doesn't have too much of a cooldown. Yes, these gimmicks cost you time, but this is balanced out by the other side, which also has gimmicks, but instead of taking time, if you properly use these gimmicks, you gain a lot of time.
The Papilla boss can be made trivial, if you just do enough elemental damage. ANY elemental damage. So it's clear what to do. Use a Electro and/or Dendro team (burning works especially well, but Quicken as well as Electro charged are also strong options). It doesn't matter how high that elemental damage is. As long as you do it, it counts the same towards the shield. And if you have a Natlan character, it becomes even more trivial. For the third chamber, the gimmick is for you to bring a bow character to shoot down the boss so you can do a lot of damage. So basically best in slot character for second half is Fischl (as a non-Natlan character) and then you decide which option you want to take, since she is pretty flexible in almost all the aforementioned teams (except for burning).
Point being, people need to stop to always freak out if they can't beat abyss on their first try. Since I never fought the Papilla before, I had to learn how it works as well. I couldn't just brute force my way through its HP pool like before (well, technically you can, but my characters aren't built well enough for that). I had to actually take a step back and understand how the gimmick works. And once you get that, it's an even easier abyss than before. Of course, a more gimmicky abyss means it can be difficult if you lack proper characters, but you have one month to build something that can get you through these gimmicks. It's a more interesting design than the last for sure, because they didn't just put ridiculous HP pools inside. But that's my opinion as someone who is actually somewhat interested in the gameplay. I guess, if you aren't, then this is annoying, though why would you then even care for something like the abyss in the first place?
TLDR, but I agree with your first paragraph. Too much HP, complain. Enemies with mechanics that can be countered using different characters, also complain. Players just want to use their main team that they built instead of trial an error playing with their team composition to slot in ideal characters, but they just want to braindead slot in kazuha + Xilonen + bennett everytime.
@@Creeperific I mean, it's not like this Abyss really stopped that anyway. I used both Xilonen and Bennett in this Abyss and they were of more value compared to previous Abysses, arguably, given what they offer you. The issue isn't that they're gimmick bosses, it's that they're 'obscure gimmick' bosses with wide HP pools, one of which has a Pyro shield and flies around a lot such that it's difficult for players to hurt it even if you get rid of the Pyro constructs that it puts on the ground.
@@Ben_CleverName I wouldn't say Xilonen performs better in this abyss cycle than in previous cycles, all she does is elemental buffs and shred. Doesn't have a whole lot of gimmicks that counter specific boss gimmicks. When I played this cycle, I felt that the wolflord, aeonblight drake and primogeovishap were super easy to clear, only the purple boss and consecrated beasts were a tad more difficult due to them being extremely tanky and hard hitting. We have access to non natlan characters which have fast hit rates (xingqiu, fischl, Yelan, Clorinde, venti infused burst, burning) just to name a few. This abyss cycle felt a bit more like imaginarium theater but we get to choose our team composition.
I heard that people have been saying this Abyss Floor 12 is difficult but honestly I felt it wasn’t that bad… I was in the 5.2 beta and during the beta for this abyss and it felt way more difficult in the beta than in the live game. I used Neuv, Furina, Zhongli, Xilonen on top half and Kinich burning team on second half. The Qucusaur is newer so I can see there being a learning curve and Temebrious is new as well with really wanting normal attack/night soul. Golden Wolflord also wants geo to make it more comfy so I think this Abyss makes you think about team building a bit more but overall difficulty isn’t too bad
I luckily run Ningguang and Zhongli with a hydro resonance which usually has Furina so the first half I have covered.
But the problem I've run into is that I have NOT pulled any Natlan characters as of yet as I've been saving for Mavuika and Citlali and currently have Kachina at C0 so 2nd phase is effectively shot for me. Normally you can potentially skate by in Spiral if you just have a repertoire of characters built well. But the fact that this Spiral makes a Nightsoul dps mandatory is one of the most frustrating embargoes ever.
I haven't looked into the timing yet but I hope Spiral doesn't reset before the next patch release just so I can have access to some extra rewards.
I only got 31 stars on the recent abyss reset. But thanks to Chasca & Furina on 1st half, then Kinich & Ororon on the 2nd half, I manage to finish floor 12. I might redo it again though
This current abyss is not too tough. Only 12-1 needs high dps. The rest needs skill.
12-1-2 use shield to reflect high damage to enemy.
12-2-1 use hydro catalyst (Neuvillette, Kokomi, Barbara) or Furina or Xingqiu to break shield.
12-2-2 use Nahida hyperbloom or off-field coordinated attacks or Ororon or Kinich to break shield. Requires 72 elemental hits in 15s or Nightsoul.
12-3-1 use Zhongli or Xilonen to break shield. If the opening is not laser, re-start. Or you can kill it before the shield appears.
12-3-2 use bow user.
The worst scenario is to do it with 3 runs, one run for each chamber. If you have Chasca, this is her playground.
I do not have Neuvillette nor Xilonen nor Chasca, yet cleared it with 36 stars.
Everything is comparative. If it requires much more skill and or well build characters that what has come before then yes its tough and this one is brutal. If not the worst ever then at least the hardest since Wenut first came out and was in the final chamber.
27:12 me too, horizontal investment is what I do.. 68 characters lvl 90, 5 left, all at lvl 70 rn.. great for Imaginarium and hasn't let me down in abyss either.. even so I struggled a bit because although Chasca can clear the papilla easily, she can't clear the other two chambers with my level of investment, so I had to use Arlecchino (who again can't clear papilla)..
genuine question, i’d love to know, who are the characters you still have at level 70?
@chet_irl Aloy, Sethos (recently got), Ororon (also recent), Gorou (don't like farming Specters), Kaveh (I haven't done the pari quest completely so don't wanna go back to that part of the desert until I'm ready, so no mourning flowers currently).
Which Arlecchino team did you try against the Papi? I send my C0 F2P weapon Arlecchino with C6 Fischl,C6 Bridou and C0 Chevreruse (all on 4 Star weapons) agianst the Papi and kinda jsut killed it pretty quickly, could even get through the shield, despite going in without charged bursts. Funny enogh the Papi was the second easiest room after the Drake.
@ErstonOutway Arlecchino Yelan Bennett Zhongli
How do you not run out of Mora? I struggle so much bc I’ve built Raiden Shogun, Albedo, Kuki, Furina, and Zhongli and finished building Xingqiu, Xiangling, and Fischl since like… mid 5.0 but Ive had to stop temporarily bc I lowkey ran out of Mora😭
Burning is also good for the boss on 12-2-2, so Mualani mains can pretty easily use a BurnVape team on 2nd half (I did it with Collei, actually, as she's also a bow character for the Drake).
This is the first time in a long time when I got 27* pretty easy (floors 9-11) and then when it came to floor 12... I just looked at enemy line up, and said "I am not sweating through that". Went to bed, felt great.
I don't think it's insurmountable, but I just didn't feel like it. @CountMonsparkle said it best in the comments. I had a similar impression, and just don't have the patience to craft a solution to all that in a way that would land me another 200 primos at most.... not worth my time. I can just log in for 2-3 days, loot some chests and come out ahead.
14:05 Yea you can burst to dodge that strong hit from the Papilla
To be honest, I actually really enjoyed this abyss compared to the last few. I only manged to 32 stars it, but it was so much more fun than just throwing in my 2 best teams and see how they perform. I had so many redos, characters that had to be swaped etc. Instead of grinding, it felt more like gaming. It felt like when I first cleared the abyss. At first I was: F this 200 primos is not worth it but now I have to say, I really enjoy the idea of having this many restrictions in characters to use against bosses.
2:43 bro is one Xilonen from the legendary Wheelchair team.
I did it with a similar team for part 1 and an Arle "random bullshit go" for p2. Arle/Nahida/Fischl/Bennet. Don't ask me why the important thing is that it works 😂
I love the overall "it was not hard for me therefore it is easy skill issue get gud" that I see a LOT in Genshin's community. This is why people meme hard on this community. And this is why the devs where flabbergasted last year that there were so much bad sentiment towards the game.
Stop this. This abyss is dog water and annoying as hell for the vast majority of the players. It will hurt the game down the line. Imagine spending hundreds of dollars to pull for Zhongli and then getting one shot by a funny purple plant anyway. I would never trust the devs again. "Should have pulled the last character" yeah, great, what a great game design.
Hahaha my guy just walk away from the plant if u can’t break the shield it doesn’t take up the whole area
At first I was having trouble team building, and having mixed results but I finally decided on
Raiden Furina Yelan Xilonen side 1
Tighnari Nahida Yae Miko Zhongli side 2
I haven't pulled for any Natlan characters, but i was able to 36 star. On the 2nd half of floor 12 i did Xingqiu, Arlechino, Yelan & Bennett. They were able to break that shield very quickly.
Imagine if in Genshin Impact characters weren’t able to leave their home nations.
That alone would have been enough to limit power creep.
Want to play in Natlan? Pyro Traveler, Kachina as a freebie, another free 4-star, and if you don’t want a team of just three characters, you pull.
Almost no need for an extreme power creep.
The ability to add far more 4-star characters from each nation.
Focus on the world with events scattered across the nations that would remain interesting challenges.
No need for an extreme Abyss like the one we have now.
Instead, we have Mavuika, who from what they say can hit 3M damage at C0. Fun. Or maybe not.
Kuki burst / xq / yelan burst / electrocharged / nahida
Took me like 2 hours to find the best team for this...
Team 1 navia yelan xinqui and xilonen
Team2 chasca furina fischl and Benny boy ...
That's all it took...
Mindless team I got there
I managed, but it was very close.
First half:
- Zhongli C0/Black Tassel
- Arlecchino C0/R1 Primordial Jade Spear
- Yelan C0/R5 Fav Bow
- Xingqiu C6/R5 Sac Sword
Second half:
- Furina C2/R5 Wolf-Fang
- Childe C4/R1 Aqua Simulacra
- Xilonen C0/R5 Fav Sword
- Ororon C1/R1 Elegy for the End
A sleeper pick for the Papilla is Dori. If you have Dori then she SHREDS the Papilla's shield since it only counts hits and not specifically any elemental application. So even if you got her C0, she is great for it.
But this Abyss sucked...I had to individually 3 star each floor due to all the requirements each floor wanted. I have Sigewinne and Diona as my only real built bow characters and so I needed a bow on second half...but I also needed Sigewinne to kill the lava avatars on the first floor as well. Sigewinne also does not have enough Hydro application for floor 2 so that was another switch I had to make as well.
All around terrible...at least the hardest floor was floor 1 this time, so it didn't take forever testing teams until I got something to work.
The fact I had to use two Natlan characters on each chamber says a lot about the route Hoyo is taking in terms of "end-game content"... They want to sell Natlan characters so bad, as they're making cents.
Any advice if you don't have natlan characters and father
I saw someone clear it with Ayaka bc of her burst is good for papilla, but mostly people have been using hyperbloom.
i just did neuvillette hypercarry with furina, kazuha and xilonen first half. one rotated wolflord after the 3rd attempt
and second half arlecchino overload with c6 chevy, fischl and bennett
i never have difficulties in abyss with these two. i also tried a raiden overload for second half and it worked out nicely.
If you are going Neuvillette with Zhongli, climb the Zhong Dong with Neuvillette and then do CA.
the one giving me the most trouble is golden wolflord, because i only have 4 star geo characters. I've been trying to defeat it with noelle/gorou/furina/xingqiu but I'm gonna try brute forcing it with hyperbloom next
My 36 star run was done with Neuvillette/Furina/Zhongli/Kazuha first half
Then Chasca/Bennett/Layla/Ororon second half
Wolflord wasnt exactly graceful with only Zhongli for geo but it was enough. And yeah, Chasca just makes a complete joke out of the Papilla and the Drake. Also considering she doesn't really need to take the time to bring down the drake either
i failed both the geo check on 12-3 and furina check on floor -2 so first side is a nightmare for me
(i have still not cleared floor 3 even once {i have both the 3 stars from the first 2 floors})
Bro ONE abyss and everyone starts losing their shit
First half is literally for neuvillette team, furina second chamber and Zhongli/Xilonen third chamber. It's only an issue for f2p player who doesn't have Neuvillette exclusive team.
The first half is literally for Furina and Yelan. Neuvillette is useless as his exclusive team is great at dealing with any character instead of him.
Genshin is a game where difficulty increase is based on damage and new characters mechanics, skill has little significance because the combat is server based and the animations are too long specially for high ping and this trend of less skill and more damage/new characters mechanics is only getting more relevant, it wouldn´t be surprising if at one point, having extremely OP characters won´t be enough to 36* the abyss because the game requires you to have characters with certain mechanic, pneuma/ousia and now nightsoul could be just the beginning.
I have to admit, this abyss is giving me a little schadenfreude. A lot of people have been hard hating on Mavuika "This isn't what we wanted! She looks terrible! I'm not getting her" and the reaction to abyss was exactly what I expected. I don't think a lot of people what it means to skip the current archon in spiral abyss and it's even worse that she's not out yet.
I prioritized older characters I wanted over Nahida and Furina's debut and got them at reruns. I had to play some terrible teams in Sumeru like an Alhaitham QB team with Tartaglia as my hydro unit support (constellation4) because I needed his bow for the ruin drake. It was ridiculous, but enough for 33 stars so I was cool with it. At a certain point, it's not worth it to me to jump through the hoops. But like it was mentioned, the restrictions have kind of always been there.
I really need pyro since it's my weakest element besides geo (albedo keeps dodging me). Not having to struggle in the abyss for six months is going to be a nice change. I can't wait to see the difference on performance from now vs later. Furina shaved off a whole minute from my clear times.
Most people want more variety in difficult endgame. The answer is not the just make abyss harder. A lot of people say the community asks for abyss to be harder. Maybe you heard that but I never have. I hear people asking for more different modes. Just making abyss harder is half assed. Don't blame the community for that.
I had to use Yelan AND Xingqiu to kill that shield on the papilla. Burst only, there is no time to get either of their skills off
I’m not even bothered by abyss even I never even modify my teams but damn I can’t clear imaginarium theaterrrr it’s so fckn grueling lol
unpopular opinion but i enjoy this level of challenge, on my f2p account (only 34 stars so far). my day 1 welkin account still easily blew it out of the water
you tried Clorinde? 10:12
24:00 That's why i like IT as well, because we had no use for a lot of 4 stars, and like you guys, i've built them anyway cuz we are all at a point that basically we got nothing else to do, and we've gotten enough artifacts that other chars can be built by "themselves" per say. Prior to IT we had no need for them, now i'm ready to take Eula out of the vault ^^ And oh boy will she hit hard :D
I used:
C1 Yelan, Furina, C2 Xilonen, Zhongli
Kinich, Thoma, Bennet, Dehya
I have Chasca but it takes time to finish with her. So I'd rather use or invest in Kinich's constellation soon... cuz he just wrecks everyone DPS wise.
Upload your runs too 🔥🔥🔥
If it helps at all I used
Neuvilette Furina Xilonen Navia you can sub Kazuha for Xilonen
Then Nahida Yelan Xingqiu Shinobu.
You can try using a Yao Yao. My friend said she got it to work but your results may vary.
Used Neuv , xilo ,kaz, and Furina on 1rst 1/2
And Raiden, chev, Xiang and Bennett on 2nd
Took a few tries, The big hit on papilla can be dodged. Happens when the meter gets full. , drake was hard because no bow. So was not ideal.
My main issue with Spiral Abyss is when they introduce enemies that stall out the timer. The Wenut, Wolflord and Ruin Serpent are the biggest offenders. To a lesser extend Solo Kenki and Primo Geovishap when they first get up. If the Goldflame Qucusaur Tyrant a few more Pyro constructs to break and fell down instantly after breaking all five of the constructs, instead of merely bringing it closer to the ground, the fight would be more balanced for a larger cast of units. That change would also make it closer to the Millennial Pearl Seahorse in during that phase.
The Abyss just needs better mechanics balance. The Abyss versions of the overworld bosses should just have different mechanics that work in tandem with the timer instead of trivializing it. Though... this is a gacha and not a normal game so balance doesn't *really* matter.
Shouldn't have to go for cons and weapons to clear content especially content that rewards primo. At that point its not about skill it's about being lucky or spending. I cleared didn't have too much difficulty getting the 36 stars. It shouldn't take a day 1 player with a highly horizontal account to clear end game content. The current end game content is increasingly becoming harder for new accounts and people don't have the time to invest into their favourites anymore. I tried to do it again without my highly invested mono hydro team and Natlan characters for the other side. It was really rough on even for my 4 year old account.
Lots of good things said. IT even on visionary is easy for me b/c of horizontal investment. I didn't wish for natlan characters. Neither do I have Chiori, Emilie or Arle. All runs I saw always had characters I didn't have, or 4 stars with more constellations than I had.
I am a new player (about 2-3 months in) and it was a breeze to go through😅 maybe that explains how they cater towards new player experience
I don't think it's hard especially for old player that already has decent DPS team. just your usual DPS check. You don't really need Natlan character for Papilla, for me personally i just let it blow and tank the damage or use i frame Elemental Burst then do all-out attack and it still give me a lot of time left.
Do you need constellation not really, once again it's more like DPS or maybe Artifact check. Well of course broken team comp helps me a lot to 36 starts on first attempt.
My team :
Phase 1 : Neuvilette, Furina, Kazuha, Xilonen (All C0) i just got Neuvilette so i really want to use him on abyss, and yeah he is broken
Phase 2 : Arlecchino, Yelan, Bennet, Zhongli (All C0 except Bennet C5)
I do get it, that for "new player" that maybe just play a year or two they will struggle since Artifact RNG is so evil and rerun sometimes really take a long time to get character that you needed.
I beat this abyss with
Top half
Wriothesley, furina, kachina, and Bennett
Bottom half
Nahida, yelan, xingqui, and kuki
for the flying pyro dragon, use furina pokemons and wanderer
As long as its not hp inflation, its good, they should keep the pace
no, building a character in that game takes 1 year, u need 8 characters + they need to be specific, so by the time you're done bulding a team for this abyss cycle 8 years will pass.
By then they will be all power crept and useless.
Its impossible for new players to catch up
@@soratenshi2847idk where you're playing that takes one year to build a character.
I built my chasca in 2 weeks.
@@rafaeloliveira9353 yeah it takes 1 year on average, cause the chances to get a usable artifact are 0.03%
@@rafaeloliveira9353 i was farming the same domain ever since i started a year ago and i almosttt finished bulding my first character
@@soratenshi2847 its 3 months not a year and thats accounting for very high cv on artifacts, where are you getting these numbers from
They force you to get the new characters becauss theres these enemies that need their shield broken by certain characters
It is supposed to be hard, it is not made for everyone to get 36stars
using older characters is feasible but difficult, but using newer characters makes it easy? sounds about right to me.
To me it's just ridiculous the difference between 11 and 12
They should definitely do 13 at this point and make 12 as it was time ago.
11 is stupidly easy for someone with a good roaster, while 12 is ass and also some even broken units may not be effective (not geo against geo wolf).
It's just not balanced.
Tho I'd even personally do other two floors for whales, so 15 in total.
If the difficulty is crescent and rational (a word unknown at boyo) it's a different story and I won't be personally bothered not doing those ones, if they're meant for C6 charas and stuff.
Im fine with it, makes you think and experiment! If you can't manage sometimes... You missed 1 pull 😂
I was able to pass the Abyss but only with 30 stars. Really hard for me.
As a Person Who has chasca and furina, so no not many problems on completing It, abyss Is Just becomubf worse and worse in term of game design: too many differents requirements for the 3 phases ( bows, reactions, enemy immune to elettro etc)
We need Sevyplays to comeback in this abyss and showcase 4* characters doing this cycle, so that new and f2p players will have template to clear this one. But yep shes in hiatus rn so no Sevyplays for the time being.
first side hyperbloom + ning and side 2 overload was how i did the 4 star clear
fr didn't realize she was on break until i checked recently because i was curious to see what teams she would do for this rotation
What if they implement hp inflation on next abyss. With restrictive line up and immunity state bosses ? 🤣
All that pain is not worth for 200 primos
I'm at 35 stars and the one I couldn't 3 star for some reason is the 1st chamber... lol.
That won't be a problem for me, because I really do not like the abyss not even a little bit. I only did it for the free 4 stars.
It is the same for me for the immginarium theater I ignored it from the beginning and also the TCG that makes me nauseating!
My personal opinion tho...they are all big fillers, that have so little to do with the game lore.
neuvillette this neuvillette thst, yo, He is not the only dps in the game. I used Wanderer and Raiden and 36.
Annoying bunch
You dont need Neuvilette or Furina to beat the Flame Qucusaurus, XQ burst reaches him when you understand how the boss moves. Xilonen did not powercreep Kazuha, they're equal in value. You can cheese the Wolf Lord even with basic teams like Raiden National. It doesn't force you to use anything, Natlan units just bring QoL and time save, you can manage. Don't mislead people into thinking that BiS characters are mandatory.
Glad could still 36 star this abyss, it's getting harder ig.
I started playing in 4.8 I don't have any hydro characters except Nilou and Xingqiu. So i had to pull Navia and Nilou together in one team . And lv20 collei nahida hyperbloom to 36 star. Definately biased towards Hydro havers😵
First half - Neuvi Xilonem team
Second half- Emilie Lyney burn team.
Easy
did burning really melt through that shield?
i used Neuviletter team and Arlecchino overloaded team i think the hard one is Chamber 1-1 1-2 and chamber 2-2 both chamber 3 is EZ
Chamber 3-1 i blasted it with Neuvillet it my first time fighting it idk the mechanics even. just pure Brute.
Noelle C6 + xilonen C0 + furina C0 + yelan C0 destroy first half not a single sweat drop
its too much hp ..i'm sorry its not fun
Who cleared with 4 stars? Let me see that real quick
Hutao Furina Siegwinne Xilonen
Klee Nahida Zhongli Chiori
Only reset is when I switch places of Zhongli and Xilonen, then it’s an easy 36 stars, no Neuv no Arle, Only one geo character for golden retriever, no bow character for Flying dragon, it’s not difficult, your character just sucks.
You don´t need Chasca. Had already forgotten about Kachina? lol
The goldflame doesn't like Furina or Yae Miko elemental skill
Golden wolflord doesn't like Ningguang and Navia normal attack infusion
Meta players can't really think outside of the box. . .
Bruh
12-2-1 is just a Furina check😂
I think there is a prety huge difference betwean the abyss being hard and the abyss trying to force you to get all the new characters. I mean if the leaks are true the 5.3 mavuika launch abyss provides a dmg boost for np spent to pyro dmg and charge attacks. For example if we compare it to bosses in dark souls or elden ring. Rykard in elden ring is not balanced around just being hard he is supposed to be killed with a certain spezific weapon. For this abyss chasca is that weapon. Like I said there is a difference betwean being hard and being bullshit. This is bullshit and no offence bro but not everyone can whale on this game and throw c1+ r1 characters on this game or pull for every character. So I don't think you can call this even a skill issue. I mean fair the day 1 player with his c3 Diluc hypercarry team has not the best cards in hand but if you pull smart and pull for the best characters in the game as an f2p I think there should be no scenario in which you get cockblocked by bullshit like that and this is not even "you can't play a specific type of team thats why you cant play optimal against every boss" this is a matter of "you didn't want chasca so get fucked nerd" + lets be real here chasca is not a character anyone that wants to pull at least close to optimally and that doesn't pull for her because he realy loves her should go for. This just fells like everytime a new dps I don't need comes out I have to think if theres a boss in the game I can only clear optimally if I pull that character so even if I don't need that char or mby like in chascas case the char isn't even that great mby I should pull them anyways to not miss on abyss clears. Not saying Im going to but this is just a way to push fomo even harder imho.
2:15 Furina or Yelan.