I can't wait to get my hands on it. I've only just discovered Tom in the last few days & I feel like I could spend 20 years down a rabbit hole on just him.
I took LSD quite often from 1970-1986. I would guess that I averaged taking it 10 times a year during that time. My experiences w/ LSD were positive 90 % of the time. I NEVER had what you might call a "bad trip", but they could occasionally be boring or I sometimes took Acid at an inconvenient time & place. One time my then wife & I came home tripping from a New Years Eve party when my mother, who was babysitting our infant son met us at the door because the baby was sick & was running a high fever. We spent the night monitoring his fever while rocking him in the rocking chair & singing to him. THAT WAS A MEMORABLE EXPERIENCE !
Lol this is nothing I am proud of but.. From Nov 2019 to August 2020 I took acid and psilocybin trips weekly. After a few months the trips were still fun, but obviously the memories of them became blurry. I also would "candy flip" or "hippie flip" which involves taking a hit of MDMA when you are peaking. I can say honestly that the LSD had a minimal impact on the girls. Society at that time was in turmoil. It was well before the 1967 summer of love that this occured. Rebellion, drugs, sex, free love and rock and roll was the way to rebell. All of the girls had done multiple trips before Manson, and almost all of them had a long criminal history. People tend to focus on the few who havent (like Mother Mary Brunner.) Committing crimes therefore were seen as anti establishment. Especially if you did it to someone who was seen as part of the bourgeoisie at that time. Therefore everything Manson used to "brainwash" these individuals were already used on them by their peers for YEARS before Manson was released. Did he go out of his way to make certain self conscious girls to become more like him and the other women? Of course! But he did that LONG before Helter Skelter was even a theory. He was a con, an opportunist and he wanted sex, drugs and freedom. In my opinion Helter Skelter was not only not only fallacious but it was an egregious misrepresentation of what Manson himself even said. They needed a sensationalist story to be able to target the counter culture. Their infiltration into the hippie scene via the FBI and CIA had produced some results but not enough. They needed a "smoking gun" and this one was one they had wished for for years. Obviously its hard to articulate everything but that is just a quick synopsis of the information I have ascertained.. Have a good one!
If you liked Chaos, you gotta read “Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon” by David McGowan. The whole Laurel Canyon Hippie Movement/Music Scene reeks of some sort of conspiracy, Manson murders are just the tip of the iceberg.
@@stoneylonesome4062 Thanks for the recommendation -- I will pick it up! I am write now reading The Devil´s Chessboard by David Talbot. This is a MUST READ. Every American should be required to read it. Glenn Greenwald calls it essential reading. Maybe you already have read it!
*MK-Ultra was based on the research done by Japan and Germany in WW2.* *Not on the experiences in North Korea, although agents may have told that story.* *All research done by Unit 731 was adopted by the American military agencies, that's why these doctors where not punished.*
I've tried listening to any interview of O'Neil online and wanted to say this 9ne you guys have done is the best interview yet. Really well thought out and you were able to pull out the most from Tom O'Neil. I really appreciate this one. Thanks yall. Ps.. those Tex Tapes were a revelation I didn't know about. Wish one day we get to hear them.
an elephant is a creature that is simultaneously hard to access and large enough to be difficult to kill, therefore making the killing of one impressive, while also being intelligent and relatively nonviolent, making it not a direct threat in most cases. these traits in conjunction make it the perfect target of violence for rich psychopaths
Tom O' Neil is one guy that I don't think makes shit up or lies about these types of things. The one story about him and Marilyn Mansons house was pretty epic. I just starter this episode so not sure if they talk about it or not.
Manson above everything wanted to be a singer song writer so when Melcher lead him on and rejected him. I can just imagine the rage, the wish to get even. I had no idea he'd done a creepy crawl at Melcher's Malibu home, I think the only reason he didn't kill Melcher himself was the tenuious link that he with Terry to the music industry, Manson had scared the bejesus out of Terry so he had him where he wanted.
You should look into the fact that Manson With Tex WatsonWhitey Bulger, and quite possibly Angela Davis the black activist who was on the run were in Oceanside Within in a short span of each other.
I maybe have to re-read the book, but I was a little unclear why the "suicide" (murder) of Filippo Tenerelli was being covered up. I can't re-call the timeline, but would it clearly have put the Family under suspicion before something else was supposed to happen? If the Chaos/Cointelpro angle is to be believed, I think Manson and the Family acted well before whatever was supposed to happen-a much more explosive event?. Maybe it was a violent confrontation with the Black Panthers?. That is, if it's to be believed. I'm not sure what I think about it. I'm interested in what causes people to become this loyal to a seemingly insignificant character. Keith Raniere seems to have gotten this from his DOS group without, as far as I know, drugs being involved.
Anyone know wtf is up with Virgil being accused of sexual assault or whatever? I don't use twitter but something of that sort would explain the chapos reluctance to say anything at all about his leaving.
Ouch, I just read the tweets and an article.. this doesn’t seem made up. Obviously a possibility with public figures, but false accusation is exceedingly rare. The stakes are so high for the victim that they rarely feel it’s worth it to speak up. Understandably. Her language doesn’t track with the rare bullshit story designed to take people out. She says she feared she’d be pegged as a political assassin crafted by oppo. She sounds traumatized, angry, disgusted, and legit. Dammit. Virgil and Chapo need to say something now. And what on earth is BJG doing? Surely this has come up in her sphere; she was a press secretary for Bernie Sanders, she cannot possibly be unaware of this issue. Now it’s so close to her she could get blasted too. It’s been allowed to fester unaddressed; which is terrible, and also a terrible look. The Left cannot afford to be acting like this.
When you don't have many champions to look to this sucks... his allegations don't look great... I don't want them to be true either. www.dailydot.com/debug/chapo-trap-house-virgil-texas-accused-of-grooming/
@@juliettedemaso7588 I didn't mean to imply the other chapos were covering it up, just that it wouldn't be their place to discuss it publicly/maybe legal implications when we still know almost nothing. Curious to see how it'll play out but at least he's off doing lib shit with Briana now I guess, idk what to think yet.
@@ModestMa0ist I understand the sentiment but Virgil has always been pretty fucking far from a champion of the left imo, does he even consider himself a marxist? The entire time he was on the how his politics seemed out of place and fairly..radlib-y?
It has to do with a video tape that was taken (then soon returned) by LAPD. The content on the tape had nothing to do with the murders. It was allegedly Roman directing Sharon to have sex with 2other men even tho she didn't want to. But they had described it as Roman and Sharon making love.
It was that there was a home video recording of Roman forcing Sharon to have sex with 2 black guys. Tom talked about it on Joe Rohan’s podcast. It was reported in Helter Skelter that it was just a tape of Roman and Sharon but it was Roman directing these men to rape her
It wasn't anti-Left wing .. it was pro control. Left used similar tactics. Its about POWER which is both left wing and right wing - two wings on the same bird. CORPORATISM.
I've read all the Manson/Tate murders books........Tom O'Neill's 'Chaos' is the most interesting and by far the most credible.
I can't wait to get my hands on it. I've only just discovered Tom in the last few days & I feel like I could spend 20 years down a rabbit hole on just him.
I agree !!!!!!!
I'm so happy this man has stuck with it despite all the horror he's been through what a fantastic guy I can't get enough I love this stuff
Came across this interview while going down Tom O'Neill rabbit hole, this is hands down the best one. You got a new listener.
💯💯💯
I love Tom O’Neill !!! Can’t wait for his next book.
I took LSD quite often from 1970-1986. I would guess that I averaged taking it 10 times a year during that time. My experiences w/ LSD were positive 90 % of the time. I NEVER had what you might call a "bad trip", but they could occasionally be boring or I sometimes took Acid at an inconvenient time & place. One time my then wife & I came home tripping from a New Years Eve party when my mother, who was babysitting our infant son met us at the door because the baby was sick & was running a high fever. We spent the night monitoring his fever while rocking him in the rocking chair & singing to him. THAT WAS A MEMORABLE EXPERIENCE !
Lol this is nothing I am proud of but..
From Nov 2019 to August 2020 I took acid and psilocybin trips weekly.
After a few months the trips were still fun, but obviously the memories of them became blurry. I also would "candy flip" or "hippie flip" which involves taking a hit of MDMA when you are peaking.
I can say honestly that the LSD had a minimal impact on the girls.
Society at that time was in turmoil. It was well before the 1967 summer of love that this occured. Rebellion, drugs, sex, free love and rock and roll was the way to rebell.
All of the girls had done multiple trips before Manson, and almost all of them had a long criminal history. People tend to focus on the few who havent (like Mother Mary Brunner.)
Committing crimes therefore were seen as anti establishment. Especially if you did it to someone who was seen as part of the bourgeoisie at that time.
Therefore everything Manson used to "brainwash" these individuals were already used on them by their peers for YEARS before Manson was released.
Did he go out of his way to make certain self conscious girls to become more like him and the other women? Of course! But he did that LONG before Helter Skelter was even a theory. He was a con, an opportunist and he wanted sex, drugs and freedom.
In my opinion Helter Skelter was not only not only fallacious but it was an egregious misrepresentation of what Manson himself even said. They needed a sensationalist story to be able to target the counter culture. Their infiltration into the hippie scene via the FBI and CIA had produced some results but not enough. They needed a "smoking gun" and this one was one they had wished for for years.
Obviously its hard to articulate everything but that is just a quick synopsis of the information I have ascertained.. Have a good one!
A must read book. Staggering facts. Pick it up on eBay and you might read in one sitting.
If you liked Chaos, you gotta read “Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon” by David McGowan. The whole Laurel Canyon Hippie Movement/Music Scene reeks of some sort of conspiracy, Manson murders are just the tip of the iceberg.
@@stoneylonesome4062 Thanks for the recommendation -- I will pick it up! I am write now reading The Devil´s Chessboard by David Talbot. This is a MUST READ. Every American should be required to read it. Glenn Greenwald calls it essential reading. Maybe you already have read it!
Thanks for the book recommendations. I just finished Chaos 👋👏🏾.
Please by the book newif you can so Tom O'Neill gets the $$. Twenty years of research went into this book he more than earned it.
Also, it's great.
Or pick it up from the author to support his effort. Unless you’re just a narcissistic cheapskate.
*MK-Ultra was based on the research done by Japan and Germany in WW2.*
*Not on the experiences in North Korea, although agents may have told that story.*
*All research done by Unit 731 was adopted by the American military agencies, that's why these doctors where not punished.*
I've tried listening to any interview of O'Neil online and wanted to say this 9ne you guys have done is the best interview yet.
Really well thought out and you were able to pull out the most from Tom O'Neil. I really appreciate this one. Thanks yall.
Ps.. those Tex Tapes were a revelation I didn't know about. Wish one day we get to hear them.
The exact contrary of what is generally believed is often the truth.
-Jean de Le Bruyere
an elephant is a creature that is simultaneously hard to access and large enough to be difficult to kill, therefore making the killing of one impressive, while also being intelligent and relatively nonviolent, making it not a direct threat in most cases. these traits in conjunction make it the perfect target of violence for rich psychopaths
Feed it acid
yeah id much rather collect the heads of poachers
Jolly the MK Elephant Killer
couldnt put this book down i really cant recommend it higher
I did LSD when I was in the Army in the 90s. Wonder how closely I was being watched.
Sharon's "close friends"... I have a hard time believing anyone ever working in Hollywood has "close friends".... maybe opportunistic acquaintances
I wanted this interview to keep going. I could listen to Chapo + Tom O’Neill on a regular basis.
God damn I miss Matt.
Tom O' Neil is one guy that I don't think makes shit up or lies about these types of things. The one story about him and Marilyn Mansons house was pretty epic. I just starter this episode so not sure if they talk about it or not.
I think Polanski has more involvement.
yeah i think he was the first to victimize sharon.
he knows, but isn't saying imo.
Tom O'Neill sounds like Matt's dad
It’s so cool to hear Tarantino might have read this book
I wonder if he would have made a different movie if he had
He has read the book, and he's had a conversation with Tom O'Neill.
It's a pity that film was so bad! Tarantino hasn't made a film since!
it was meant to be a love letter to the 60s Hollywood and a tribute to Sharon Tate and even a bit of revenge at the end.
This book + “Family of Secrets” by Russ Baker explains how we got where we are and the boomers that destroyed humanity
Great podcast! Very informative!
Manson above everything wanted to be a singer song writer so when Melcher lead him on and rejected him. I can just imagine the rage, the wish to get even. I had no idea he'd done a creepy crawl at Melcher's Malibu home, I think the only reason he didn't kill Melcher himself was the tenuious link that he with Terry to the music industry, Manson had scared the bejesus out of Terry so he had him where he wanted.
You should look into the fact that Manson With Tex WatsonWhitey Bulger, and quite possibly Angela Davis the black activist who was on the run were in Oceanside Within in a short span of each other.
I maybe have to re-read the book, but I was a little unclear why the "suicide" (murder) of Filippo Tenerelli was being covered up. I can't re-call the timeline, but would it clearly have put the Family under suspicion before something else was supposed to happen? If the Chaos/Cointelpro angle is to be believed, I think Manson and the Family acted well before whatever was supposed to happen-a much more explosive event?. Maybe it was a violent confrontation with the Black Panthers?. That is, if it's to be believed. I'm not sure what I think about it. I'm interested in what causes people to become this loyal to a seemingly insignificant character. Keith Raniere seems to have gotten this from his DOS group without, as far as I know, drugs being involved.
good one
Bazed Lit Analyzer did a great 3 hour review of the book.
great stuff
One question might be: Was the US actually dropping chemical weapons on North Korea?
Helter Skelter Swelter
Melter
Was this recorded in 2019?
Yes, September 2019
Great. How do you make the visual loop? Thank you.
Anyone know wtf is up with Virgil being accused of sexual assault or whatever? I don't use twitter but something of that sort would explain the chapos reluctance to say anything at all about his leaving.
This is the first I’m hearing of it. Obviously I hope it’s not true. And if it is, I hope the Chapos aren’t pulling a Catholic Church maneuver.
Ouch, I just read the tweets and an article.. this doesn’t seem made up. Obviously a possibility with public figures, but false accusation is exceedingly rare. The stakes are so high for the victim that they rarely feel it’s worth it to speak up. Understandably.
Her language doesn’t track with the rare bullshit story designed to take people out.
She says she feared she’d be pegged as a political assassin crafted by oppo.
She sounds traumatized, angry, disgusted, and legit.
Dammit.
Virgil and Chapo need to say something now. And what on earth is BJG doing? Surely this has come up in her sphere; she was a press secretary for Bernie Sanders, she cannot possibly be unaware of this issue.
Now it’s so close to her she could get blasted too. It’s been allowed to fester unaddressed; which is terrible, and also a terrible look.
The Left cannot afford to be acting like this.
When you don't have many champions to look to this sucks... his allegations don't look great... I don't want them to be true either. www.dailydot.com/debug/chapo-trap-house-virgil-texas-accused-of-grooming/
@@juliettedemaso7588 I didn't mean to imply the other chapos were covering it up, just that it wouldn't be their place to discuss it publicly/maybe legal implications when we still know almost nothing. Curious to see how it'll play out but at least he's off doing lib shit with Briana now I guess, idk what to think yet.
@@ModestMa0ist I understand the sentiment but Virgil has always been pretty fucking far from a champion of the left imo, does he even consider himself a marxist? The entire time he was on the how his politics seemed out of place and fairly..radlib-y?
Can the grim reeper grap the bong and take a bong rip lol
Thank you, this was great!
❎. Just think
what's not made public
One big cyclops
🤺💐
Manson talked a lot to his followers about the coming race war (according to them)
Have you considered a career in journalism ?
@@Ridethebomb777 I’ve always wanted to be a Hollywood gossip columnist
Can someone tell me what the off the record spoiler was? I haven't read the book
Don't know, I'm only 1/2 way thru the book...
What do You THINK it is?!
@@atendriyadasa6746 I haven read the book
It has to do with a video tape that was taken (then soon returned) by LAPD. The content on the tape had nothing to do with the murders. It was allegedly Roman directing Sharon to have sex with 2other men even tho she didn't want to. But they had described it as Roman and Sharon making love.
It was that there was a home video recording of Roman forcing Sharon to have sex with 2 black guys. Tom talked about it on Joe Rohan’s podcast. It was reported in Helter Skelter that it was just a tape of Roman and Sharon but it was Roman directing these men to rape her
@@donnadelgado8164 wtf
It wasn't anti-Left wing .. it was pro control. Left used similar tactics. Its about POWER which is both left wing and right wing - two wings on the same bird. CORPORATISM.
Yeah, bonus episode………from 2019😖
spare me. and turn off the video games.
are you saying the documents are fake?
Call me crazy but all the negative responses to the interview come from accounts that have never commented or subscribed before
@@berdyderg900lol yea just realized that just came across this video. They just came out of the woodwork
Trump kids? How much of that is fact-based? And how much is immature jealousy and too much tv-watching tropes?
Trump kids? WHAT?????? Wreckless b.s. ...
Bunch of goofy kids! Bye!!
Lolwut
Yet another critical account with 1 comment ever made...