I am a novice tarot reader. It is a fun journey. I also have rune's! I need to learn those so I can incorporate them into my tarot readings. Thank you for making this video. I do have some historical decks. The Visconti-Sforza, Sola Busca, and three decks from the Antique Anima Lo Scarabeo collection.
Oh wow! As usual, your videos are extremely informative - I love the non-fluff, hard facts aspects of your explanations. I also adore Robert Place, by the way, still trying to lay my hands on his alchemical tarot but too expensive to get the deck here in Brazil! All these historical decks are amazing, Sola Busca is fascinating. Of course Thoth remains my favourite but I just love the layers of symbolism that only reveal themselves once we understand the historical contexts in which these decks emerged so studying the history behind the tarot system really adds to the interpretation. I wish I could read runes, but never tried. 🤦♀️ I love how you added some pretty details to your video, that clock is so beautiful and the editing is really good! 😉
Saturnarium well I remember someone saying something about beauty to me just lately 😉 See...even old dog can learn new tricks! I’m happy that you atleast enjoy my bit dry bookwormihs approach 🤣 I ordered the 5th edition on Alchemical Tarot to my brothers place. He lives in US so he will send that to me cause the shipping cost were higher than the deck. One great site in EU is Tarotbg. They sell Robert M Places decks and at least to finland the shipping is free. I have the sevenfold mystery coming from there but they sidn’t have the Alchemical Tatot currently.
@@fierceandpretty1365 Oh the Tarot of the Sevenfold Mystery is equally wonderful, I also do not have it, I have to Buddha Tarot by Robert Place which I love love love. Yes, I can see the beauty around 😍
Eternal Cycles Tarot by Kate Thanks Kate! So nice to hear. It’s not so often that I take all my study decks out to play so it’s always a bit special for me to look at them. I just love imaging how people were using the same images centuries ago 🤯🥰
Don't fall into the trap of Court de Gebelin bringing esoteric studies to tarot. It's not the 1st book about it. Spanish priest in the 1300's Also are you aware of Visconti starting a esoteric university in milan. So were those cards just for a game in the 15th century.
You are saying that a catholic priest in Spain, wrote a book about the esoteric meaning of the Tarot deck, in the 1300s? What year was it written? What is his name? What is the book called? You are saying that Filippo Visconti, founded an esoteric university in Milan? What year was it founded? What is the university called?
@@aeonxvii6311 Ars magna Raymond Lully . Papus cites it Tarot of the Bohemians p207. The Universiity I can't confirm. Lincoln Baigent and Leigh . The Holy blood the Holy grail .
@@catweazle9525 Ok thanks. So Ars Magna, by Ramon Llull, isn’t one book, but a series of books written over many decades. He was a philosopher, theologian, Christian mystic etc. and wrote around 250 books during his life. He was particularly interested in universal archetypes, so it is understandable that he would mention many of the Tarot archetypes within that huge collection. Apparently, he does mention most of them, but never in one book. He did design a theorem, which included 16 archetypes, which could also be used for divination; and this did include - Strength, Temperance, and Justice, but these are 3 of the 4 cardinal virtues (along with Prudence) which date back to Ancient Greece. So they were common knowledge. For Papus to say that “Llull’s book was based on the Tarot deck”, seems a bit bizarre to me, as Llull died in 1315, and Tarot, by most definitions, was only invented in 1440, so it is the wrong way round in time. It is possible that deck designers were aware of Llull’s work, but not very likely, or necessary, as the Tarot archetypes were all over Europe by that time e.g. Triumph parades, mystery plays, paintings, poems etc. They are not special or unique. Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Michael Baigent. There’s no reference to Filippo Visconti anywhere in that book. There are a few mentions of Francesco Sforza, but not in relation to opening esoteric universities. There is a reference to Cosimo de Medici creating academies which taught esoteric subjects. Maybe that is who you mean? In the book it is presented as if he founded occult academies, but when you check online with more neutral sources, they were actually public libraries. These libraries were usually connected to Christian institutes, such as the first one in Florence, which was housed inside a Monastery, next to a church. So I find Baigent’s phrasing deliberately misleading, & attempts to present a mystical, occult history of something which was actually completely mundane. Baigent’s Wikipedia page, says all you need to know about how factual his version of history is. So do I think that the original Tarot deck was just a game? Yes. And all historical data supports that. Antoine Court, Comte de Mellet, Alliette, Eliphas Levi, Samuel Mathers, Paul Christian, Papus, Aleister Crowley etc. None of these people were historians. All of these people were mystics, with very ungrounded overactive imaginations. They all added 2+2 and got 5, 6, 7, or whatever they just wanted to make up in the moment. Since Court claimed that Tarot dates back to Ancient Egypt, not one piece of evidence has ever been presented to support that. And it is 240 years now, so… I don’t know why people can’t accept that the original Tarot deck was just a game. The mystical themes in the deck, only exist because that was the art style at that time. The word renaissance, means ‘rebirth’, and refers to the rebirth of classical era themes. Nearly all artwork at that time featured things from Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, Myths and Biblical themes. A card deck can feature mystical and occult themes, but not be occult itself e.g. Magic: The Gathering card deck has wizards, priests, shamans, necromancers etc. and they talk about raising mana, and casting spells, but it’s still just a game. Same with Harry Potter or The Exorcist etc. All just light entertainment. And the idea that people like Filippo Visconti and Francesco Sforza were secret mystics etc. No, they were ruthless tyrants, comparable to Mussolini. They were the exact opposite of a sensitive mystical seeker type personality. But thanks anyway. I am glad to discover more about Ramon Llull and Cosimo de Medici, who I wasn’t aware of before.
You are just my kind of history and tarot nerd. We are geek sisters from another mother. I enjoyed that so much! Thank you.
I am a novice tarot reader. It is a fun journey. I also have rune's! I need to learn those so I can incorporate them into my tarot readings. Thank you for making this video. I do have some historical decks. The Visconti-Sforza, Sola Busca, and three decks from the Antique Anima Lo Scarabeo collection.
Thanks for a great history lesson 🤓 I especially appreciated seeing your historical decks 😍
Thanks. Always take things with grain of salt. I’m no expert but I share it as I see it 😅
Oh wow! As usual, your videos are extremely informative - I love the non-fluff, hard facts aspects of your explanations. I also adore Robert Place, by the way, still trying to lay my hands on his alchemical tarot but too expensive to get the deck here in Brazil! All these historical decks are amazing, Sola Busca is fascinating. Of course Thoth remains my favourite but I just love the layers of symbolism that only reveal themselves once we understand the historical contexts in which these decks emerged so studying the history behind the tarot system really adds to the interpretation. I wish I could read runes, but never tried. 🤦♀️ I love how you added some pretty details to your video, that clock is so beautiful and the editing is really good! 😉
Saturnarium well I remember someone saying something about beauty to me just lately 😉 See...even old dog can learn new tricks! I’m happy that you atleast enjoy my bit dry bookwormihs approach 🤣 I ordered the 5th edition on Alchemical Tarot to my brothers place. He lives in US so he will send that to me cause the shipping cost were higher than the deck. One great site in EU is Tarotbg. They sell Robert M Places decks and at least to finland the shipping is free. I have the sevenfold mystery coming from there but they sidn’t have the Alchemical Tatot currently.
@@fierceandpretty1365 Oh the Tarot of the Sevenfold Mystery is equally wonderful, I also do not have it, I have to Buddha Tarot by Robert Place which I love love love. Yes, I can see the beauty around 😍
Saturnarium yeah I saw the Buddha Tarot in your video 👌🏻
Thank you 🙏 I really enjoyed this video.
Eternal Cycles Tarot by Kate Thanks Kate! So nice to hear. It’s not so often that I take all my study decks out to play so it’s always a bit special for me to look at them. I just love imaging how people were using the same images centuries ago 🤯🥰
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Don't fall into the trap of Court de Gebelin bringing esoteric studies to tarot. It's not the 1st book about it.
Spanish priest in the 1300's Also are you aware of Visconti starting a esoteric university in milan. So were those cards just for a game in the 15th century.
You are saying that a catholic priest in Spain, wrote a book about the esoteric meaning of the Tarot deck, in the 1300s? What year was it written? What is his name? What is the book called?
You are saying that Filippo Visconti, founded an esoteric university in Milan? What year was it founded? What is the university called?
@@aeonxvii6311 Ars magna Raymond Lully . Papus cites it Tarot of the Bohemians p207.
The Universiity I can't confirm. Lincoln Baigent and Leigh . The Holy blood the Holy grail .
@@catweazle9525 Ok thanks.
So Ars Magna, by Ramon Llull, isn’t one book, but a series of books written over many decades. He was a philosopher, theologian, Christian mystic etc. and wrote around 250 books during his life. He was particularly interested in universal archetypes, so it is understandable that he would mention many of the Tarot archetypes within that huge collection. Apparently, he does mention most of them, but never in one book. He did design a theorem, which included 16 archetypes, which could also be used for divination; and this did include - Strength, Temperance, and Justice, but these are 3 of the 4 cardinal virtues (along with Prudence) which date back to Ancient Greece. So they were common knowledge. For Papus to say that “Llull’s book was based on the Tarot deck”, seems a bit bizarre to me, as Llull died in 1315, and Tarot, by most definitions, was only invented in 1440, so it is the wrong way round in time. It is possible that deck designers were aware of Llull’s work, but not very likely, or necessary, as the Tarot archetypes were all over Europe by that time e.g. Triumph parades, mystery plays, paintings, poems etc. They are not special or unique.
Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Michael Baigent. There’s no reference to Filippo Visconti anywhere in that book. There are a few mentions of Francesco Sforza, but not in relation to opening esoteric universities. There is a reference to Cosimo de Medici creating academies which taught esoteric subjects. Maybe that is who you mean? In the book it is presented as if he founded occult academies, but when you check online with more neutral sources, they were actually public libraries. These libraries were usually connected to Christian institutes, such as the first one in Florence, which was housed inside a Monastery, next to a church. So I find Baigent’s phrasing deliberately misleading, & attempts to present a mystical, occult history of something which was actually completely mundane. Baigent’s Wikipedia page, says all you need to know about how factual his version of history is.
So do I think that the original Tarot deck was just a game? Yes. And all historical data supports that.
Antoine Court, Comte de Mellet, Alliette, Eliphas Levi, Samuel Mathers, Paul Christian, Papus, Aleister Crowley etc. None of these people were historians. All of these people were mystics, with very ungrounded overactive imaginations. They all added 2+2 and got 5, 6, 7, or whatever they just wanted to make up in the moment. Since Court claimed that Tarot dates back to Ancient Egypt, not one piece of evidence has ever been presented to support that. And it is 240 years now, so…
I don’t know why people can’t accept that the original Tarot deck was just a game. The mystical themes in the deck, only exist because that was the art style at that time. The word renaissance, means ‘rebirth’, and refers to the rebirth of classical era themes. Nearly all artwork at that time featured things from Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, Myths and Biblical themes. A card deck can feature mystical and occult themes, but not be occult itself e.g. Magic: The Gathering card deck has wizards, priests, shamans, necromancers etc. and they talk about raising mana, and casting spells, but it’s still just a game. Same with Harry Potter or The Exorcist etc. All just light entertainment.
And the idea that people like Filippo Visconti and Francesco Sforza were secret mystics etc. No, they were ruthless tyrants, comparable to Mussolini. They were the exact opposite of a sensitive mystical seeker type personality.
But thanks anyway. I am glad to discover more about Ramon Llull and Cosimo de Medici, who I wasn’t aware of before.