If someone like Rashford who was trained and moulded by the club cannot put a shift in and raise his game while people are getting fired all around him, it must mean the rot is deep and widespread
the wage issue is massive there. at Villa one of our highest earners, Lucas Digne, is on what a lot of other Villa fans consider high wages (120k a week) while starting pretty much every week and being one of our top players. Meanwhile Casemiro who won plenty at Madrid can relax, take life easy, and sit on the bench earning 350k a week. it's absolutely mad
Nah - we’ll get much better once we don’t have to play a teenage CM at CB and not our 3rd choice keeper and left back. Who have man utd been missing that will improve them? We also have a lot more flexibility in wages and transfer market. I have never ever seen a new manager have such a lack of positive impact on a struggling team than I have seen with almorin. That’s worrying
Giving ETH full control and standing by whilst he spent 600mil on his old Ajax team was literally the final nail in the coffin for United, it’s gonna be a long way back from here
This is a 12 years problem in the making . Look around bro there r players here since the van gaal days . These players only know one style of play and that is decent defensive prowess and fast counter attack . Nothing else
In all of the last 12 years . How many times have you been genuinely satisfied with a man united match . Where u went yeah I can see something here . I will tell you none . That's how many . It's cuz these players were programmed to play one way of football
Not really. Eth wanted to spend the money on NKunku not mount the board did. He wanted kane not hojlund the board wanted hojlund. Ten hag didnt want zirkzee, the board did. Ten hag didnt want to sell wan bisakka, the board did. That was their biggest mistake.
I wanted him to stay until Dec 2024. If he'd failed further, Ruud would've acted as an interim until the end of this season. Then bring in Amorim next season. But I think the rot lies in our management, and this sacking is a scapegoat.
As a 70 year old lifelong Manchester United supporter, I have seen each and every twist and turn this club has had to offer; all the highest of highs from the Sir Alex days and the lowest of lows back in the 70’s and 80’s. I believe that if we stop focusing on signing big name players on huge contracts and start investing a lot more into the growth and development of our academy players, we will achieve eventually.
Academy players like Rashford are part of the problem. There is no harm in giving their place in the team some insecurity. Being part of the academy does not give you a divine right to play for united.
At minute 8, ill tell you what Rashford has done thats really really bad is: 1) play with the worst attitude on the pitch, sulking around when things dont go his way, sabotaging the team 2) doing that interview with Henry Winter Its really not that hard
shhh .....let utd fans think he's not the problem,utd are in such a spin they question themselves about the reality of rashford...even as a liverpool fan this fustrates me lol
Honestly, I was trying to understand the point he was trying to make, we have seen Rashford play in this system and be shit, what indicates that when he gets back he will make the attack better?
They've become a victim of their own success, fergie made them the biggest club in the world and since then, players have come knowing they'll be on these massive wages because they're going to the "biggest" club in the world, and these players like Casemiro, like Eriksen, join on massive wages because of the clubs stature, and now they're on these over inflated wages, they don't want to leave because if they do they'll be on much less money
@@WS_UK Stop being a hater dude. Real and Barca are obviously the biggest, but Man Utd were VERY close by and the biggest at a certain point, I mean you'd be delusional to not see the titles speaking for themselves; in fact in the prime Sir Alex era Real used to take Man Utd's leftover players not the other way around. I'm pretty sure other clubs are rejoicing in their downfall because of how much trauma that Man Utd side left on them.
@@Osama-KIN_TMZ01 no one consider utd a big club . They won 2ucl in their best 20 years. Real madrid were just in shambles in that moment . Milan , Barca were the biggest club at that moment. In 1980s it was Liverpool and Juve and SV hamburg . Utd were that much big only for 8 yeaars 1992 to 2000 . After 2000 milan took over , and then barca
I like Amorim, he keeps it real, gives the squad tough love and doesn’t sugarcoat the situation. I really hope the locker room doesn’t go against him because I genuinely believe he has promise. Just give him an actual Pre-season & a transfer window with the squad and I think it will be fine
@@Vizehwell ETH is also delusional, all the mistakes can never stem from him. Amorim owns up to his mistake, harder than deserved sometimes and that is sth vastly different to ETH. For now I would trust him to make changes but nothing is guaranteed so we'll see I guess
@@Vizehten hag didn't stick to his guns. You even said it in the video. Amorim said in an interview that he is keeping his style of football and one of the reasons is he needs to show the players that he is for real.
Just give him one window? Did you not watch the video? They cannot sell ANY of these shit players they are stuck with dude. Impossible to get the right people in then too, because too much money is going to the wrong guys. They are stuck!
I think one of the main issues at man united is that we go 2 steps back, call for the manager's head, get a new manager and sign some players, take one step forward, celebrate and glorify that one step to the point where we go another 2 steps back. This cycle repeats. I do not trust these players, never have, never will. Even if they win the next 5, 10, 20 games, they're still a disgrace.
The top level management has to make a blue print on "This is how Man Utd are going to play football". Every time a new manager comes in its new ideas that requires 6 new signings for it to start working, and eventually not working. Look at Brighton: The last 3 managers has almost always played a 4-2-3-1 with the same principals. Liverpool also hired Slot due to how similar he was too Klopp in terms of pressing, although with a bit more control.
people tend to forget that before sporting, ruben amorim also managed braga and picked up a quite mediocre performing team and gave them the best recent seasons just like with sporting. he can do the same with united given time but that will be his ultimate test
All previous manager since Ferguson ( with the exception of Ole) got good results with clubs that weren't the favorite of their league. However neither of them achive something similar at United. I personally think that trusting in a new manager blindy is a recipe for disaster. United won't achive anything untill they have a sporting director, management and manager who work in the same direction.
Having your club be known as a routine Optimist Killer that spends like it's going out of style can't be a good thing for too much longer. Man U will collapse at its current trajectory since no one will bother taking on the headache.
@ Yeah, I know, it wasn't a critique of Ole. My point was that all previous coaches had similar achievements that Amorim had when they took a team that wasn't the best of their respective countries and later won the league. Van Gaal with Az, Mou with Inter, and Chelsea... Not ETH with Ajax, but he and Van Gaal also had the recognition of a successful Champions League season. Those achievements in a similar scenario didn't mean that they were successful in Man U and the same states for Amorim.
The main unavoidable issue with the current United squad is that its a team full of the most absolute average players (with some dipping into below average) who are being paid like they're top class superstars. Trash like Rashford and Casemiro get upwards of 300 grand a week for performances that you wouldn't even praise a kid out of the academy for.
I love everything about it. They won't get relegated this season or in the future, but football would peak for me if they somehow get relegated. A season long United hate watch, where they get relegated into a season long Championship hate watch would be incredible.
I have to comment again because you must have a sad sad life if your sat there praying on utds downfall how sad and bitter u must me emotionally damaged from are glory days🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Man utd is constantly overpaying its players, players that only play for themselves and have no team connection whatsoever. The entire squad needs to be replaced except Amad in order for at least something to work
Even diallo and mainoo will go the rashford way if they get overhyped so early In their careers. Greenwood rashford martial even garnacho were seen as next saviors of united and then everyone knows how that ended up. No matter what anyone says garnacho is at best a good cup player or a super sub . Not a player who will take them to next level. If diallo and mainoo go the same way man u will not be mid table guaranteed let alone top 4
My guess is when you have such a high turnover of players/managers, you can’t build any chemistry or a cohesive system. Each manager the comes in probably has a handful of players from the last regime that don’t fit their style so they bring in players who do, over and over you won’t build a team identity or cohesion like that
Manchester united as a team needed an overhaul from the board down to the players. Without this they can never be at the pinnacle of the Premier league again.
@@Vizeh true but every time the managers haven’t got the players they wanted, it’s why it’s so hard for United managers as the board rarely sifns rhe players which are badly needed
@@JamJam24111 that was because ETH buckled under the pressure and went back to playing 433 but not his style, he adjusted his style to play counter attacking football to play to the strengths of a few players.
He has brought in some of the worst transfer in club history. Mount, Anthony & holjund for 210 million and got Sancho kicked out the club when sancho is levels above Ten hag targets.
@@JamJam24111sancho severely underperformed whilst at the club, he was lacklustre at best. Mount was injured from day one, no one could’ve predicted that. And holjund is a proper striker when given adequate service. Problem isn’t the players it’s the club itself, poisons any players that joins it
What i'll never understand is the lack of knowledge from man u fans. Amorim and ETH were one of the most promising upcoming managers. BUT ETH wanted NKUNKU not mount, ETH wanted Kane not Hojlund, ETH DID NOT want zirkzee. The board made these decisions. Eth did NOT Want to sell wan bisakka THE BOARD DID. I dont like united at all and even i know this. He even said asmuch before these transfers. Crazy
The trajectory is down, but seeing as promoted clubs tend to be the ones that get relegated these days, they will probably bounce between 15th and 7th for years. Perhaps what happened to Leicester will happen to United, just in the long term. Leicester made similar mistakes, they just didn’t have the revenue to back it up.
They've Will never get relegated. But they'll be 7th to 15th as you said . To e even challenge for the title it would take them another decade heck even 15 more years. They might win a cup or 2 along the way but that's it. However they could come close to relegation a few times. And big clubs do get relegated so who knows
@@bhutochakrabarti4173 I think the chances of them getting relegated are very small, but it’s not an impossibility. If you look at what Leicester did, it was very similar. In order to keep their best players they had to offer them all monstrous contracts, which ultimately back fired as their financial situation worsened. Looking at the news from yesterday, United already accept their financial position is untenable. £300million in losses over the last 3 years. This could turn out to be a good thing for them as it could force a change in strategy, clearly the policy of trying to spend your way out of trouble hasn’t worked for them
Their problem is the fanbase (the vocal ones) must *always* create/fabricate a messiah/saviour. The latest one is Amad… he’s arrived, apparently, given his heroics against the might 24/25 Southampton. Be it a new manger, exciting youngster, big transfer or water carrier hitting a purple patch of form: he’ll be the one to turn it around and save them.
Every single United manager has had a problem with rashford. It seems like having the option of playing him simply isn’t worth his negative influence on the team as a whole any more.
The thing about Manchester United is they wanted to get rid of ten Haag so badly because he was the huge problem then they replace him and nothing changed. Maybe it was the players after all. They never blame their players for anything.
That's why right now I don't care about any exit, whether rashford , garnacho or whoever our fan base has finally realized this... we've been putting players over the manager
I don't understand why we should give a shit about man utd. They're a mid table team. I remember when man utd fans would whine about liverpool fans living in the past back in early naughties. Their behaviour right now is exactly like the liverpool fans back then.
liverpool decline was relativley suddon...utd slipped then had 2/3 odd seasons where the keeper saved them and the odd cup win out of knowhere...the forced punditry from ex utd players (esp the 5/7 years after fergie) hyping the team kept the pressure / aura on teams facing utd,i'll go even further and say it actually inflated utd players value! and delayed the slump they are in lol
To me, the biggest problem is the expectations people have of Manchester united They are no longer the powerhouse they once we're, and neither the media or the fans seem to see this fact They should lower the expectations and keep the manager like Liverpool did and wait for the slow improvement day by day
I don’t think expectations are that high. I mean most of the people expect Man Utd to fight for top 4 and with this squad it should be possible. To challenge for EPL tittle is a step too far there is too big gulf to bring and we are years away from title maybe even a decade.
4 seasons ago we were a team full of galacticos who had talent but didn't really seem to gel together, probably the lack of input from the owners and bad club structure made this problem worse. Now we have a team full of bang average individuals (and Bruno) who are still on galactico wages, and now an owner who not neglectful but pretty much evil. Our only hope now is probably relegation, it's really sad.
They did it. They fucking worsened. I did genuinely not think that this was possible but… here we are. Another vizeh video on how fucking bad the situation is
The Ole era was meant to be their banter era, theyre 10x worse😭 i remember when McFred & Maguire were their biggest problems. McTominay and Fred would legitimately walk into this team and Maguire is their best defender ahaha i love football
FCSB fan that s due to play them in the EL next week, I genuinely think we have a shot at beating them and our captain is injured for the next 5 months lmao. If we do win the memes will be legendary
@@Vizeh I think they've accepted winning the league ain't happening without a Leicester-esq miracle, or maybe it's just me. Also, curious to know your opinion about a scenario where spurs wins the carabao or fa cup but get relegated, would that be acceptable (rip empty cabinet memes) or the shame of a supposed big six getting relegated overshadow them ending their trophy drought?
You ve still won trophies lately, Spurs fans would take being a Man United fan nevermind the other 14 in the Prem (yeah Forest is now hunting down the CL for example so they wouldn’t trade for being 13th like United right now but I am talking overall if we re talking the whole United banter era since SAF left), sure it s been bad for a top 6 side but it s not been THAT bad in the grand scheme of things
The fanbases infatuation with their newest young player needing to be 'the next big thing' is so bad. If a youngster isnt first team-ready, Lamine Yamal esq. then they throw them out. Its "OMG GUYS GARCHACHO IS LITERALLY RONALDO SUII" then when he shows he clearly not ready yet, although talented, instead of wanting to loan him out or play him in cups, they want to sell him. Its "GUYS, MAINOO IS POGBA!!" until he shows that hes still just a kid, then its "let chelsea have him". They want their young players to be either generational or out of the club. Terrible fanbase.
It's not about teamwork anymore at Manchester United, it's about individual performances. Lazzyness and lack of effort. Putting in performances when we feel like it.
nah cause our team will give us hope and take it away every single time.. we've went from top of football to near relegation with more then a billion in debt and 300 million transfer debt and our historic stadium rotting, new owners coming in and sacking anything that smiles, and worst of all.. $100 million on antony.
Marcus Rashford acts like a superstar and he is by no means one. I'll always remember that letter he wrote after the penalty miss with England he honestly believes he is the main character and he doesn't even train properly. It's over for him at united and if I had to bet he'll never be great again.
It keeps happening because players have all the power now, and that dressing room is by far the most toxic in the country, if not the world. There are 3 or 4 cliques in there, and if they don't fancy you as a manager, under the bus you go. It really is that simple. Brutal surgery is needed, and it could get much worse before it gets better.
When you keep sacking managers halfway into their rebuilds and replacing them with managers who aren't similar in style, what's really the wonder here?
Teddy Sheringham recently said Alexander Isak would "without a doubt" move to Man Utd if they put a bid in for him. I needed the good laugh it's been a hard week 😂
This club never fails to impress me on how terrible they can be.. just when you think the new coach is working,they show you that low is never low enough for us..the reality is relegation strugglers right now
As a Chelsea fan, I think it's funny that United only seem to realize they have a problem and pull the trigger just before they face us. It happened in the 21/22 season, when they fired Ole before the trip to Stamford Bridge, resulting in Carrick leading them to steal 2 points from us, and again now, when they fired Ten Haag before we went to Old Trafford and Van Nistelrooy did the same. It's like a messed up traffic light where they only take action when they see a blue light.
@@learntooilpaint What are you talking about? In 2021/22 he was United's best player, without him they'd be even worse than 6th. In 2022/23 he won the golden glove.
As a fan of another club that expects to be at the top and is going through a rough patch (Juvents), here are some ideas. First off, last season we finished 3rd and won the Coppa Italia, and we still fired Max Allegri (the third most decorated manager in club history) because the football wasn't up to scratch. Then, we ruthlessly made over the roster. Vice-captains Alex Sandro and Woijcech Szczney OUT (club captain Danilo is also in the process of being terminated this window), key contributors Rabiot, Kean, Chiesa OUT. 5 strong academy players Soule, Illing Jr, Huijsen, de Winter, and Barrenechea sold to raise money. Then we filled in from the next gen side Savona and Mbangula, both of whom are now playing significant roles. Then we were able to bring in new players such as De Gregorio, Kalulu, Koopmeiners, Thuram, etc. Lastly, our biggest transfer, Douglas Luiz, has not worked out, and so we're trying swap him back to England even though it's only been 6 months, again, being ruthless with player acquisition. It seems that United's boardroom lack guts, conviction, and a vision for the club. They chase after names instead of trying to make names. For reasons known only to Sir Jim Ratcliffe and God, the club keeps Ten Haag, instead of moving on, and then when they do move on, they hire a coach ill-suited to their personnel knowing that these players cannot easily be moved who is too stubborn to recognize that discretion is the better part of valor. Casemiro and Eriksen cannot cut it in midfield anymore, but you bought this midfielder Sekou Kone, and you won't give him some run out? You don't give Josh Zirkzee room to grow and make mistakes even though you are no longer competing for anything? If I were United, I'd stop doing transfers for star players, and instead scout younger players, and players who can be had on the cheap. This requires compotent and innovative scouts who can identify talent. Get younger, bring down the wage bill, and when you've got a fresh squad on the rise, then you can go out and get big name players
Manchester United got worse or is it that they have stayed the same level for 12 years and its only a been competitive under mourihno and ole in the early days?
United have spent too many years buying average players for record-breaking wages with no thought to whether they make sense, fit into the system (or what there is of one) or are going to be aligned with the principles and goals of the club.
It was always easier for united fans to brush off their own problems within and just blamed the lack of results on Man City’s existence and them choking out the league so it was “how could you dare blame man united for not being able to compete?!”
Tell me you havent spoke to united fans, United fans really do not give a shit about City as much as other fans, and City like to think we do. Its just not a thing for any match going fan. Man United fans have literally been saying the same thing as people like amorin and mourinho, of course there was always hope we might get better
As a Chelsea fan I was and still am somewhat sceptical to our transfer strategy. And we can we now and for these years we've been struggling, imo since 2015. Yes there are success since most notably ofc being the second CL throphy but we haven't really challenged for the PL in a decade now! But my point being with only bringing in these young players wont give us that strong backbone that earned so much success for the club. How are we to get a new Terry, a new Cech, a new Drogba, a new lampard out of 18 year olds? I think all teams should build around 3-4 older seasoned players and let the players be the anchors of the younger ones. Like take Madueke, could he behave like he does (on the pitch) if Lamps, Drogba and Terry was on the pitch? I don't think so. Successful teams needs leaders, like Van Dijk. If someone comes to Liverpool being all flashy flashy I'm sure Van Dijk can pull them aside and tell them off, "look, no one is bigger than the club, tone it down". Now that is put on the manager and when we only get young brats who's been pandered too and spoiled litetally since they were like 5 years old they wont take kindly to criticism from a manager and then woops dressing room splits in half and the performance collapse. Long rant for a youtube comment I know but honestly I hope Chelsea wakes up and realise we need some veterans too. Just look at Thiago Silva what happens when you sign a proper leader.
Honestly, there are at least 11-14 players I'd get rid of in the squad cause their either not available, ageing, or not performing / not worth their wages, but that's like half or a quarter of the problems, like our medical and negotiation branches needs some looking into cause its awfully weird how no matter how cautious the manager is at reintroducing recently injured players they still get injured in less than a week of availability, plus the wages and amount they pay for is so tragic and the time it takes to sell or buy too
Didn't know that an institution gave all the right to pay and discuss transfer fees to one man (a manager). You know that someone like murtough is responsible for transfer fees and wages!?
This has been coming for nearly a decade and as such won't just be fixed in a season. There's too many players on big wages that don't deserve them, the mentality of the team is way off and has been since before ETH and the board are so Jekyll and Hyde with support that they've managed to get the worst of both not spending enough (ignoring Ole's transfer list) and spending too much (letting ETH spend far too much on low quality ex-Ajax players). With most of the squad signed up until 2027 and 2028, I wouldn't be surprised if United don't get back into contention for at least three seasons. That won't change with a new manager, that will only change with the systematic removal of the rot, the commitment to back a style of play not just a manager (i.e. if Amorim does go not replacing him with someone completely different) and having the patience to let the squad build back up. There's good core players already (Amad, Ugarte, Mainoo, Bruno) and some with good potential (Collyer, Yoro, Amass) it's just about building around them and bringing in the right mentality for the right wages.
It's not Fifa, mate. At closed doors Rashford is mercurial, got influenced by Pogba and the Players FC period. If you don't control the dressing-room players will sack the manager. Even if the manager is the nicest guy you can think of, just ask Ole.
Speaking as a United fan, from what little I know of when I watch their games, it just seems like there is no drive to really win by the players. It is frustrating watching them hold back Liverpool, Arsenal, and City but literally the next match we get buried by a smaller club. It is like they could bring the quality when facing big clubs but couldn't be arsed against smaller clubs. We could be playing the same players and literally the same formation but they just suddenly couldn't play. I do hope Amorim will stay long and could maintain his passion and intensity for the club. I am loving his honest interviews and no sugar-coating when we are just playing terrible. I feel like we need his intensity to bring some sort of change to the club and the players.
Look mate, I am a Romanian FCSB (formerly known as Steaua Bucharest) fan, we re playing United next week in the EL and I genuinely think we have a legitimate shot at winning. And that s without our talisman captain Olaru that s gotten an injury and will be out for the next 5 months. Think that says it all about United really. We ve been amazing this season in Europe sure but I as a non top 5 league fan should NEVER have any confidence ahead of a United game. I should be praying not to concede 5. Yet the only time United has even scored 3 in the EL was when MAGUIRE rescued a late draw vs Porto. They only won 1 game by more than one goal and that was by 2 against PAOK, why would I NOT believe we can make a game of it? They are still the favourites sure but at this point any side will fancy their chances against United which is part of the issue really. Hell, CFR Cluj managed to beat the SAF-led United at Old Trafford 1-0 too back in the 2012-13 CL (still didn’t progress from the group despite getting 10p), why not? As for the actual issues at United…sure, the overpaid contracts are an issue. Sure, the Glazers took out money from the club. Some signings were clearly overpriced like Antony, then again he s still young. But when you think about it, many United signings were praised when they were done. Why do people like Sancho, Casemiro and even Di Maria all those years back always fall apart when they join United and then improve after leaving? Is it a toxic culture around the club? Is it big contracts that breed complacency? Maybe United is just cursed to suffer for a while after the SAF era (then again they still got some trophies unlike many other clubs, they are the reigning FA Cup champions after all)? It s certainly not the dinner ladies fault unlike what Ratcliffe would have you believe as you said but other than that? Either way, I cant wait for the game next Thursday!
As a united fan who started supporting the red devils back in the late 80s, it was always going to be the case that we were going to struggle once Fergie retired Look at the laundry list of managers we've had in the last 12 years is it now...... The problem with United IS down to the players Manchester United players have pride in the shirt I've barely seen 5 players in the last decade who truly play with the passion and desire REQUIRED to play for united It's a shame the way things are and I really hope amorim is given the chance to get a team together and hopefully go upwards
The issue isn’t even that the players aren’t good enough. They’re not the best in the league but they’re all pretty decent and if even average players listen to a good managers ideas they’ll succeed (Newcastle 2 years ago and Bournemouth this season). But the wages and the lengths of all the contracts and the often older type of player they sign mean that these players have no incentive to listen or put in any effort.
the only reason we signed amorim was because our board were shit scraed of city getting rid of guardiola in the summer and getting amorim as his replacement, just like they were shit scared when cr7 almost signed with city and we swooped in last minute to bring him back. One thing i have said to my other fellow manchester united fans friends for the last 3 years is that the only way out of this situation is by getting relegated as 95% of the players we have won't / don't have a championship clause in their contracts and will leave on a free and then we will be forced into a proper rebuild and we will be able to sing players that actually want to play for the club and the badge and don't just come for the big money. i have got to the pooint where i celebrate our opponents scoring on us and us losing as i know it will help long term if we get relegated
Rahsford really doesn't fit the system Amorim plays in terms of work ethic and he can't play as a striker really so yeah, he just doesn't fit whatsoever
It seemed like Chelsea and Manchester United were in the same boat last year but Chelsea are fighting for a top 4 spot right now and Manchester United are closer to relegation (10 points away) than a European spot (12 points away).
Still blaming ETH for this squad while even saying that it’s a squad composed of 4 managers, which is happening again now with the players they target to suit almorins playing style. Wait 2 years, same story will be repeated…
Reality is Man United are a perfect example of the worst things in modern football right now. Ludicrous amounts of money being shelled out for years, more wealth than most average football fans can ever possibly fathom in actual reality. Toxicity from top to bottom, the only reason they're still in the premier league is because of their name, the history and the attention that has brought in the decades before this modern era and extremely wealthy corporation types wanting a piece of the pie so pump cash in expecting a return on their investment in the long run. The money that comes in through the investment or sponsorship is just adding fuel to the fire though. If the money was to dry up I think they'd be better off. The club needs a hard reset.
Amorim feels like Schrödinger's Manager: He left Sporting and they fell off a cliff (proving he is good) but once he took over at United they also fell off a cliff (proving he's terrible).
I agree with you till Rashford... That guy just needs to go away. Not even a United fan and kinda love the clownery but Rashford is atrocious and I've said it for years and I'd like to be right about this
I get the cost cutting, but I have to say that getting rid of many of the highest earners would vastly improve the financial situation at United. We've spent stupid money on players who have been utter failures, and that's not even the current squad. Think Pogba, Donny van de Beek, Eric Bailly, Juan Mata, Cavani, and many more. While ETH can be blamed for the current squad, the ultimate responsibility is with senior management for even accepting these fees. A good example of this is Anthony, if he was bought for £30-40m he might even be deemed acceptable, but definitely not £82m. The same can be said for Hojlund, I do like him, but there is no way that a player who had just one season in Serie A and scored 10 goals in that season is worth £74m. Then Onana has been an absolute disaster, getting rid of De Gea is one of the worst decisions in recent Man Utd history. Getting rid of a legend for a guy that doesn't seem to want to challenge crosses just because he's a "ball playing keeper". Bro his first job is to save shots and he's horrendous. I may not speak for most Man Utd fans, but for me I'd rather we get rid of the whole lot of them and play the youngsters.
as a liverpool fan, I'm absolutely loving this. they keep sinking lower and lower and the wages are a big issue. completely agree with you vizeh, they have to rebuild their 10th rebuild
Ugarte is turning out to be a really solid midfielder for us, he and Bruno are carrying the midfield rn. Rashford was in a really bad run of form before he got dropped, but I agree that it’s getting a little crazy. Great video!
As a rival fans, i certainly hope that United will NOT be relegated this season, or any season in the near future. Because drastic changes require drastic, shocking conditions. As Amorim said "This club needs a shock". I hope that moment won't come anytime soon.
The club is genuinely screwed for a few years or another decade unless a new owner who has the money (unlike Ratcliffe) can deal with the unnecessary high wages. It’s so dire that the club is looking to sell Garnacho to bring in a left back. Mind you, we haven’t HAD a left back for 18 months (Shaw has been non existent) The very thing United was known for historically, raising prospects to prominence regardless of era in their starting 11 (from the busby babes to even Rashford/Mainoo), is about to be ripped straight off the club’s heart. All because Ratcliffe invested in a club he KNEW he couldn’t financially save.
There is never a long term plan with Man U. It's always going after quick fixes to paper over cracks. Along with going after name value then actually planned squad depth. Sure, they've gotten better over time in that mind, but they're still struggling to build a proper core that can actually work. Buying individuals, rather than team members.
I'd take L over playing Rashford any day in 2024-25. Marcus got an ego problem and feels he's bigger than the club. At least his performance on field and behavior says so
As an American fan who started following the sport in 2013 (s/o Daniel Sturridge) and isn't blinded by the luster of past United teams it doesn't baffle me at all. It's been a poorly run club from top to bottom ever since i've been watching football. They've treated past legends with little respect even though those players have showm United all the respect in the world as TV pundits, released Mourinho because he didn't want to play into the Hollywood club aspect that would distract even the finest professionals, and have had infrastructure issues from Old Trafford to the training room accorsing to people like R7 who know what a properly run club should look like. They've had a gaping wound in their side ever since Fergie left and rather than take the time and pain of deeper surgery, they'd rather invest in another box of bandaids. I like Amorim a lot, but even the best managers in the world would struggle with the way that club is run
Its quitte unfair how Ten Hag is mocked in england. He will succeed somewhere else for sure. What do you expect? Man U is a graveyard for coaches! Van Gaal, Mourinho they all couldnt work there
@@harukrentz435are you brainless? So many managers and players have failed at your cancerous club, but somehow you still believe it has nothing to do with your club culture. WHAT A LOSER😂😂😂 ENJOY YOUR NEARLY RELEGATION BATTLE
The problem is that theres too many players on stupid money and doing nothing so why should a player on lower money be putting in more effort than the guy on 350k a week Theres a REASON why so many clubs have restrictions and limitations on wages.
Now more than ever. We should be going for lower profile players. We are stuck in a vicious cycle of over spending to fix problems. With the majority of players we bring in becoming a source of problems only a few seasons later. Stuck with under performing players. On long contracts. On big wages. Often signed for more than double their worth. We need to get over this notion that United has to buy the big names or the next up and coming star players. That expectation is halting any sort of progress. Because it simply doesn't work. If United was more inventive with our transfer business. Buying players that have potential to play at a higher level for significantly less fee's. If they work out. Keep them. If they don't. Sell them on. Because you can do that. When there's no colossal price tags and ridiculous wages involved. Because if you look at the players that have done well for us in recent season's. It hardly ever the players we sign. It's the players that have come through the academy. Why not invest more in that. Get some hardworking, ambitious and experienced players around them. And when it starts making sense. Perhaps then start signing 1-2 marquee signings for bigger, but still sensible money. But still having a squad that's about playing for the badge.
Mount, Casemiro, Erikson, Malacia, Shaw, Antony (depending on his loan performance), Rashford (I think a loan should awaken his hunger back), Sancho (Lets be honest he aint united material no more and performs way better outside Manchester), Lindelof, Zirkzee (Tbh i feel bad for him but to me he is good but not in united colors), Hojlund (I like his dedication to the struggle but We Need Goals Mate so a Loan might be good). All listed must Go and some on loan. Wage bill MUST be cut at least by half so the deserving get more according to performance not status! Stadium NEEDS a serious REBUILD as previously mentioned by many. Fans as a whole NEEDS to start boycotting games to ENFORCE our disappointment in the lads but mainly to wake them up and see that we are tired and want results because we dont pay all that ticket money for the utter nonsense displayed almost every week. Board and staff need SERIOUS change! Cant stress enough but something behind closed doors is really hurting the team and CLEARLY shows as Day on the lads morale and pitch performance! Lastly, I believe we can overcome this Boys dont give up yet. Maguire displayed it best by far!..
Imagine if Rashford was a leader and team player? Can you imagine how great of a RWB he could be in Amorim's system if he just decided to flip a switch and say "Hell, we're up against it here and I'm gonna do everything I can!" Dude is blazing fast, great at dribbling and crossing he would just need to put in the effort to learn the spot and get up/down the pitch. Oh well.
I’m not big into football anymore but United players used to play for the team, players, staff, fans etc nowadays just seem like players are there for the money
Not even Antony could save them
It’s a sad day to be a football fan
How dare you say that when he has 50 appearances in the last 50 matches he played 😂😂
Betis winning the treble next year 🔥🔥
@@Jose_Rangel and the last 5 times he kicked the ball into the net, he scored
@jmrs_ and he was an flop and bad fit in for united
If someone like Rashford who was trained and moulded by the club cannot put a shift in and raise his game while people are getting fired all around him, it must mean the rot is deep and widespread
we take world class future ballon'dor players and turn them into laughing stocks, its hard to keep being a fan
Careful, the Rashford stans will come for your head with stats from 2 years ago
@@ihsaanrawat2583At least he has stats from years ago. What are the current ones doing?
the wage issue is massive there. at Villa one of our highest earners, Lucas Digne, is on what a lot of other Villa fans consider high wages (120k a week) while starting pretty much every week and being one of our top players. Meanwhile Casemiro who won plenty at Madrid can relax, take life easy, and sit on the bench earning 350k a week. it's absolutely mad
Casemiro is paid the same as Salah. Crazy right?
Absolutely, there’s no real drive for good performances to earn your contract, you can just be on autopilot
Don't forget that with premier league players tax brackets that 120k a week is more like 60k a week
man utd is not a competing top club.... its a retirement home ( a saudi-like club in UK)
@@massifothrwrldly exactly my point. Players like Casemiro have won it all and now sit on the bench while earning ridiculous wages
Everyone's looking down on United, but as a Spurs fan, I'm looking up.
In the mud together 🤝
Nah - we’ll get much better once we don’t have to play a teenage CM at CB and not our 3rd choice keeper and left back. Who have man utd been missing that will improve them? We also have a lot more flexibility in wages and transfer market.
I have never ever seen a new manager have such a lack of positive impact on a struggling team than I have seen with almorin. That’s worrying
i needed this laugh cuz im a united fan....
@@wephilips6651 i get that you're british but atleast SPELL THE NAME RIGHT!! IT'S AMORIM!!!
@@sleepyninja7320what an effortless burn 😆
Giving ETH full control and standing by whilst he spent 600mil on his old Ajax team was literally the final nail in the coffin for United, it’s gonna be a long way back from here
He didn't spend shyte...
Yeah tryna take a Netherlands squad into the epl doesnt make sense.
@@UnitedLoyalistAre you braindead? yes tf he did
This is a 12 years problem in the making . Look around bro there r players here since the van gaal days . These players only know one style of play and that is decent defensive prowess and fast counter attack . Nothing else
In all of the last 12 years . How many times have you been genuinely satisfied with a man united match . Where u went yeah I can see something here . I will tell you none . That's how many . It's cuz these players were programmed to play one way of football
They're still above Totenham, that's an achievement
Mighty low bar
Put that in trophy cabinet
@@Vizehlol
@@Vizehclass big man
Spuds have been incredibly unlucky with injuries, so at least they have a somewhat reasonable excuse. Not so United..
Backing Ten Hag last summer with all that money and then sacking him in October was the dumbest move united have made in a while.
Not really. Eth wanted to spend the money on NKunku not mount the board did. He wanted kane not hojlund the board wanted hojlund. Ten hag didnt want zirkzee, the board did. Ten hag didnt want to sell wan bisakka, the board did. That was their biggest mistake.
I wanted him to stay until Dec 2024. If he'd failed further, Ruud would've acted as an interim until the end of this season. Then bring in Amorim next season. But I think the rot lies in our management, and this sacking is a scapegoat.
How about paying 7 figure sum for Ashworth then firing him paying him with a 7 figure sum 5 months after. That must be up there.
As a 70 year old lifelong Manchester United supporter, I have seen each and every twist and turn this club has had to offer; all the highest of highs from the Sir Alex days and the lowest of lows back in the 70’s and 80’s. I believe that if we stop focusing on signing big name players on huge contracts and start investing a lot more into the growth and development of our academy players, we will achieve eventually.
Academy players like Rashford are part of the problem. There is no harm in giving their place in the team some insecurity. Being part of the academy does not give you a divine right to play for united.
need decent /solid english for a couple years then branch out...definatley should of gone hard on kane couple years back
THIS 👏🏽
No your going to be shit for at least another 15 years.
To think you deluded scum fans thought inoes were going to be great.
bro is not a 70 year old lifelong Manchester United supporter
At minute 8, ill tell you what Rashford has done thats really really bad is:
1) play with the worst attitude on the pitch, sulking around when things dont go his way, sabotaging the team
2) doing that interview with Henry Winter
Its really not that hard
This guy talks about Rashford like he’s added anything to our attack lately. Even with our loses we haven’t missed him, he’s not a missing link here.
shhh .....let utd fans think he's not the problem,utd are in such a spin they question themselves about the reality of rashford...even as a liverpool fan this fustrates me lol
Honestly, I was trying to understand the point he was trying to make, we have seen Rashford play in this system and be shit, what indicates that when he gets back he will make the attack better?
@@MS-xo5tz he's literally a saboteur. A player sulking around the pitch is showing weakness to the opposition, giving them the advantage.
Yeah. He really is that bad.
Despite the wages, I wouldn't be surprised if they made Amorim pay for that TV he smashed.
I mean he should in fairness. Cant be smashing tv's that aint yours just cause youre bottling it. Just me tho
As if Amorim would care for a couple hundred pounds. smh. You people think everyone is as broke as you. A TV to him is like a pack of gum to you.
@danielmcgrath680when did he do that
They've become a victim of their own success, fergie made them the biggest club in the world and since then, players have come knowing they'll be on these massive wages because they're going to the "biggest" club in the world, and these players like Casemiro, like Eriksen, join on massive wages because of the clubs stature, and now they're on these over inflated wages, they don't want to leave because if they do they'll be on much less money
The wages they spend is truly so disgusting for what they have it return
* Self proclaimed biggest club in the world.
@@WS_UK Stop being a hater dude. Real and Barca are obviously the biggest, but Man Utd were VERY close by and the biggest at a certain point, I mean you'd be delusional to not see the titles speaking for themselves; in fact in the prime Sir Alex era Real used to take Man Utd's leftover players not the other way around. I'm pretty sure other clubs are rejoicing in their downfall because of how much trauma that Man Utd side left on them.
@@Osama-KIN_TMZ01years ago isn't right now. Entitled football fans have 0 clue honestly.
@@Osama-KIN_TMZ01 no one consider utd a big club . They won 2ucl in their best 20 years. Real madrid were just in shambles in that moment . Milan , Barca were the biggest club at that moment. In 1980s it was Liverpool and Juve and SV hamburg . Utd were that much big only for 8 yeaars 1992 to 2000 . After 2000 milan took over , and then barca
I like Amorim, he keeps it real, gives the squad tough love and doesn’t sugarcoat the situation. I really hope the locker room doesn’t go against him because I genuinely believe he has promise. Just give him an actual Pre-season & a transfer window with the squad and I think it will be fine
The problem with tough love is that Ten Hag also tried to be tough with players and we know how that ended too
Rubin seems more amicable and a better man manager. I think a lot of the sporting success was getting the lads to trust him.@Vizeh
@@Vizehwell ETH is also delusional, all the mistakes can never stem from him. Amorim owns up to his mistake, harder than deserved sometimes and that is sth vastly different to ETH. For now I would trust him to make changes but nothing is guaranteed so we'll see I guess
@@Vizehten hag didn't stick to his guns. You even said it in the video. Amorim said in an interview that he is keeping his style of football and one of the reasons is he needs to show the players that he is for real.
Just give him one window? Did you not watch the video? They cannot sell ANY of these shit players they are stuck with dude. Impossible to get the right people in then too, because too much money is going to the wrong guys. They are stuck!
I think one of the main issues at man united is that we go 2 steps back, call for the manager's head, get a new manager and sign some players, take one step forward, celebrate and glorify that one step to the point where we go another 2 steps back. This cycle repeats.
I do not trust these players, never have, never will. Even if they win the next 5, 10, 20 games, they're still a disgrace.
The top level management has to make a blue print on "This is how Man Utd are going to play football". Every time a new manager comes in its new ideas that requires 6 new signings for it to start working, and eventually not working. Look at Brighton: The last 3 managers has almost always played a 4-2-3-1 with the same principals. Liverpool also hired Slot due to how similar he was too Klopp in terms of pressing, although with a bit more control.
like liverpool reject Amorim when he wanted to play 3-4-3 when the squad are build to play back 4...He so unflexible in his tactical approached
@@mrboast2826and that's why he is going to fail miserably
2:14 glorious moment as a watford fan, and that draw at old trafford too
people tend to forget that before sporting, ruben amorim also managed braga and picked up a quite mediocre performing team and gave them the best recent seasons just like with sporting. he can do the same with united given time but that will be his ultimate test
All previous manager since Ferguson ( with the exception of Ole) got good results with clubs that weren't the favorite of their league. However neither of them achive something similar at United. I personally think that trusting in a new manager blindy is a recipe for disaster. United won't achive anything untill they have a sporting director, management and manager who work in the same direction.
Having your club be known as a routine Optimist Killer that spends like it's going out of style can't be a good thing for too much longer. Man U will collapse at its current trajectory since no one will bother taking on the headache.
@@lergatOle won the league in his first job
@ Yeah, I know, it wasn't a critique of Ole. My point was that all previous coaches had similar achievements that Amorim had when they took a team that wasn't the best of their respective countries and later won the league. Van Gaal with Az, Mou with Inter, and Chelsea... Not ETH with Ajax, but he and Van Gaal also had the recognition of a successful Champions League season. Those achievements in a similar scenario didn't mean that they were successful in Man U and the same states for Amorim.
The main unavoidable issue with the current United squad is that its a team full of the most absolute average players (with some dipping into below average) who are being paid like they're top class superstars. Trash like Rashford and Casemiro get upwards of 300 grand a week for performances that you wouldn't even praise a kid out of the academy for.
"is rashford really worse than antony?"
Bro, Antony is gone too
lol
I love everything about it. They won't get relegated this season or in the future, but football would peak for me if they somehow get relegated. A season long United hate watch, where they get relegated into a season long Championship hate watch would be incredible.
I have to comment again because you must have a sad sad life if your sat there praying on utds downfall how sad and bitter u must me emotionally damaged from are glory days🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@MsSosase Two comments for the price of one rattled Man Utd fan, thanks for contributing to our enjoyment!
@@MsSosaseWe are gonna see more rants if they actually get relegated 😅
@@MsSosase cry more
@@MsSosase waa waa waa
Man utd is constantly overpaying its players, players that only play for themselves and have no team connection whatsoever. The entire squad needs to be replaced except Amad in order for at least something to work
Mainoo could stay you think?
@@VizehJoshua Bruno ganacho as well
@@slammeriversondougherty2689na
@@Vizeh dont think mainoo suit amorim tactical at all..
Even diallo and mainoo will go the rashford way if they get overhyped so early In their careers. Greenwood rashford martial even garnacho were seen as next saviors of united and then everyone knows how that ended up. No matter what anyone says garnacho is at best a good cup player or a super sub . Not a player who will take them to next level. If diallo and mainoo go the same way man u will not be mid table guaranteed let alone top 4
As a Liverpool fan this Man Utd fiasco is hilarious long may it continue
To anyone who isn't a United fan, it's very, very funny.
That’s fair
But they did get an incredible 2-2 win at Anfield 😂
Absolutely loving it, the glazers are my heroes 😊
@ by the way they acted you think they won the league
My guess is when you have such a high turnover of players/managers, you can’t build any chemistry or a cohesive system. Each manager the comes in probably has a handful of players from the last regime that don’t fit their style so they bring in players who do, over and over you won’t build a team identity or cohesion like that
Manchester united as a team needed an overhaul from the board down to the players. Without this they can never be at the pinnacle of the Premier league again.
They keep trying that and it gets worse each time
@@Vizeh true but every time the managers haven’t got the players they wanted, it’s why it’s so hard for United managers as the board rarely sifns rhe players which are badly needed
@@dareallhen Ten hag got his players and they are still awful
@@JamJam24111 that was because ETH buckled under the pressure and went back to playing 433 but not his style, he adjusted his style to play counter attacking football to play to the strengths of a few players.
Maybe ten hag wasn't the problem
He wasn't he was let down on prime transfer targets Rice and Kane would have given us lots of goals.
He was part of it, this is the team he burnt money on
He has brought in some of the worst transfer in club history.
Mount, Anthony & holjund for 210 million and got Sancho kicked out the club when sancho is levels above Ten hag targets.
@@MichaelEnright-gk6yc oh you want to talk about his transfer record? I really don't think you do.
@@JamJam24111sancho severely underperformed whilst at the club, he was lacklustre at best. Mount was injured from day one, no one could’ve predicted that. And holjund is a proper striker when given adequate service. Problem isn’t the players it’s the club itself, poisons any players that joins it
I still think that Amorim will get good because he doesn’t have the flaws the ten hag adopted in the end such as favoritism and delusional confidence
Let’s hope it doesn’t change as it can very fast with how the media is
What i'll never understand is the lack of knowledge from man u fans. Amorim and ETH were one of the most promising upcoming managers. BUT ETH wanted NKUNKU not mount, ETH wanted Kane not Hojlund, ETH DID NOT want zirkzee. The board made these decisions. Eth did NOT Want to sell wan bisakka THE BOARD DID. I dont like united at all and even i know this. He even said asmuch before these transfers. Crazy
The trajectory is down, but seeing as promoted clubs tend to be the ones that get relegated these days, they will probably bounce between 15th and 7th for years. Perhaps what happened to Leicester will happen to United, just in the long term. Leicester made similar mistakes, they just didn’t have the revenue to back it up.
They've Will never get relegated. But they'll be 7th to 15th as you said . To e even challenge for the title it would take them another decade heck even 15 more years. They might win a cup or 2 along the way but that's it. However they could come close to relegation a few times. And big clubs do get relegated so who knows
@@bhutochakrabarti4173 I think the chances of them getting relegated are very small, but it’s not an impossibility. If you look at what Leicester did, it was very similar. In order to keep their best players they had to offer them all monstrous contracts, which ultimately back fired as their financial situation worsened. Looking at the news from yesterday, United already accept their financial position is untenable. £300million in losses over the last 3 years. This could turn out to be a good thing for them as it could force a change in strategy, clearly the policy of trying to spend your way out of trouble hasn’t worked for them
"Fred, which was memed a lot, has been put to Casemiro" - what does this even mean?
Their problem is the fanbase (the vocal ones) must *always* create/fabricate a messiah/saviour.
The latest one is Amad… he’s arrived, apparently, given his heroics against the might 24/25 Southampton.
Be it a new manger, exciting youngster, big transfer or water carrier hitting a purple patch of form: he’ll be the one to turn it around and save them.
Every single United manager has had a problem with rashford. It seems like having the option of playing him simply isn’t worth his negative influence on the team as a whole any more.
The thing about Manchester United is they wanted to get rid of ten Haag so badly because he was the huge problem then they replace him and nothing changed. Maybe it was the players after all. They never blame their players for anything.
That's why right now I don't care about any exit, whether rashford , garnacho or whoever our fan base has finally realized this... we've been putting players over the manager
As a rival fan I'm gonna actually miss Antony, never forget his equalizer against Liverpool in the FA Cup and how he flexed on Coventry 💪
I don't understand why we should give a shit about man utd. They're a mid table team. I remember when man utd fans would whine about liverpool fans living in the past back in early naughties. Their behaviour right now is exactly like the liverpool fans back then.
liverpool decline was relativley suddon...utd slipped then had 2/3 odd seasons where the keeper saved them and the odd cup win out of knowhere...the forced punditry from ex utd players (esp the 5/7 years after fergie) hyping the team kept the pressure / aura on teams facing utd,i'll go even further and say it actually inflated utd players value! and delayed the slump they are in lol
To me, the biggest problem is the expectations people have of Manchester united
They are no longer the powerhouse they once we're, and neither the media or the fans seem to see this fact
They should lower the expectations and keep the manager like Liverpool did and wait for the slow improvement day by day
But they keep getting worse with some decent matches elsewhere.
I don’t think expectations are that high. I mean most of the people expect Man Utd to fight for top 4 and with this squad it should be possible. To challenge for EPL tittle is a step too far there is too big gulf to bring and we are years away from title maybe even a decade.
Liverpool at their worse were better mate . Won many imp trophies .went for title charges many times
4 seasons ago we were a team full of galacticos who had talent but didn't really seem to gel together, probably the lack of input from the owners and bad club structure made this problem worse.
Now we have a team full of bang average individuals (and Bruno) who are still on galactico wages, and now an owner who not neglectful but pretty much evil. Our only hope now is probably relegation, it's really sad.
They did it. They fucking worsened. I did genuinely not think that this was possible but… here we are. Another vizeh video on how fucking bad the situation is
The Ole era was meant to be their banter era, theyre 10x worse😭 i remember when McFred & Maguire were their biggest problems. McTominay and Fred would legitimately walk into this team and Maguire is their best defender ahaha i love football
FCSB fan that s due to play them in the EL next week, I genuinely think we have a shot at beating them and our captain is injured for the next 5 months lmao. If we do win the memes will be legendary
Manchester United are now like an elaborate social experiment to test the level of pain, suffering & humiliation a fan can endure
Tottenham Hotspur fans have something to say about that pal
@@Vizeh I think they've accepted winning the league ain't happening without a Leicester-esq miracle, or maybe it's just me.
Also, curious to know your opinion about a scenario where spurs wins the carabao or fa cup but get relegated, would that be acceptable (rip empty cabinet memes) or the shame of a supposed big six getting relegated overshadow them ending their trophy drought?
You ve still won trophies lately, Spurs fans would take being a Man United fan nevermind the other 14 in the Prem (yeah Forest is now hunting down the CL for example so they wouldn’t trade for being 13th like United right now but I am talking overall if we re talking the whole United banter era since SAF left), sure it s been bad for a top 6 side but it s not been THAT bad in the grand scheme of things
The fanbases infatuation with their newest young player needing to be 'the next big thing' is so bad. If a youngster isnt first team-ready, Lamine Yamal esq. then they throw them out. Its "OMG GUYS GARCHACHO IS LITERALLY RONALDO SUII" then when he shows he clearly not ready yet, although talented, instead of wanting to loan him out or play him in cups, they want to sell him. Its "GUYS, MAINOO IS POGBA!!" until he shows that hes still just a kid, then its "let chelsea have him". They want their young players to be either generational or out of the club. Terrible fanbase.
I'm a Man U fan, and I can't disagree
It's not about teamwork anymore at Manchester United, it's about individual performances. Lazzyness and lack of effort. Putting in performances when we feel like it.
Even Mourinho and Ronaldo couldn’t save us, Post-Fergie Manchester United is cursed.
Mourinho s been pretty terrible everywhere for the past 10 years or so though to be fair
Ngl I think if they don't start to get their shit together ManU gonna end up being the Schalke 04 of the PL
nah cause our team will give us hope and take it away every single time.. we've went from top of football to near relegation with more then a billion in debt and 300 million transfer debt and our historic stadium rotting, new owners coming in and sacking anything that smiles, and worst of all.. $100 million on antony.
100 mil on antony still doesn't sound real to this day
Marcus Rashford acts like a superstar and he is by no means one. I'll always remember that letter he wrote after the penalty miss with England he honestly believes he is the main character and he doesn't even train properly. It's over for him at united and if I had to bet he'll never be great again.
It keeps happening because players have all the power now, and that dressing room is by far the most toxic in the country, if not the world. There are 3 or 4 cliques in there, and if they don't fancy you as a manager, under the bus you go. It really is that simple.
Brutal surgery is needed, and it could get much worse before it gets better.
Let them be bad lad . We are enjoying right ? YNWA
Don’t be too harsh on the club that’s paying all your bills
When you keep sacking managers halfway into their rebuilds and replacing them with managers who aren't similar in style, what's really the wonder here?
Teddy Sheringham recently said Alexander Isak would "without a doubt" move to Man Utd if they put a bid in for him. I needed the good laugh it's been a hard week 😂
honestly i hope he stays at newcastle for most of his career would love to see the geordies in the ucl next season
This club never fails to impress me on how terrible they can be.. just when you think the new coach is working,they show you that low is never low enough for us..the reality is relegation strugglers right now
As a Chelsea fan, I think it's funny that United only seem to realize they have a problem and pull the trigger just before they face us. It happened in the 21/22 season, when they fired Ole before the trip to Stamford Bridge, resulting in Carrick leading them to steal 2 points from us, and again now, when they fired Ten Haag before we went to Old Trafford and Van Nistelrooy did the same. It's like a messed up traffic light where they only take action when they see a blue light.
I’m sorry but something keeps bugging me. Why is everyone talking about United being 13th while ignoring the fact that Tottenham are BELOW them????
2:20 😅the shade at De Gea is crazy he was amazing and always saved us to now looking like a Sunday league side
he was poor in the last two years, there was a reason noone wanted him
@@learntooilpaint What are you talking about? In 2021/22 he was United's best player, without him they'd be even worse than 6th. In 2022/23 he won the golden glove.
I like a bit of honesty from a manager. It needed to be said
As a fan of another club that expects to be at the top and is going through a rough patch (Juvents), here are some ideas. First off, last season we finished 3rd and won the Coppa Italia, and we still fired Max Allegri (the third most decorated manager in club history) because the football wasn't up to scratch. Then, we ruthlessly made over the roster. Vice-captains Alex Sandro and Woijcech Szczney OUT (club captain Danilo is also in the process of being terminated this window), key contributors Rabiot, Kean, Chiesa OUT. 5 strong academy players Soule, Illing Jr, Huijsen, de Winter, and Barrenechea sold to raise money. Then we filled in from the next gen side Savona and Mbangula, both of whom are now playing significant roles. Then we were able to bring in new players such as De Gregorio, Kalulu, Koopmeiners, Thuram, etc. Lastly, our biggest transfer, Douglas Luiz, has not worked out, and so we're trying swap him back to England even though it's only been 6 months, again, being ruthless with player acquisition.
It seems that United's boardroom lack guts, conviction, and a vision for the club. They chase after names instead of trying to make names. For reasons known only to Sir Jim Ratcliffe and God, the club keeps Ten Haag, instead of moving on, and then when they do move on, they hire a coach ill-suited to their personnel knowing that these players cannot easily be moved who is too stubborn to recognize that discretion is the better part of valor. Casemiro and Eriksen cannot cut it in midfield anymore, but you bought this midfielder Sekou Kone, and you won't give him some run out? You don't give Josh Zirkzee room to grow and make mistakes even though you are no longer competing for anything? If I were United, I'd stop doing transfers for star players, and instead scout younger players, and players who can be had on the cheap. This requires compotent and innovative scouts who can identify talent. Get younger, bring down the wage bill, and when you've got a fresh squad on the rise, then you can go out and get big name players
Manchester United got worse or is it that they have stayed the same level for 12 years and its only a been competitive under mourihno and ole in the early days?
Yes mourinho was the man
You know the situation is bad when not even the goat Antony could save them 😢
United have spent too many years buying average players for record-breaking wages with no thought to whether they make sense, fit into the system (or what there is of one) or are going to be aligned with the principles and goals of the club.
“Manchester just got worse.” I can say this phrase in 12 languages after hearing it so much, and for so many years.
It was always easier for united fans to brush off their own problems within and just blamed the lack of results on Man City’s existence and them choking out the league so it was “how could you dare blame man united for not being able to compete?!”
Bullocks
Tell me you havent spoke to united fans, United fans really do not give a shit about City as much as other fans, and City like to think we do. Its just not a thing for any match going fan. Man United fans have literally been saying the same thing as people like amorin and mourinho, of course there was always hope we might get better
As a Chelsea fan I was and still am somewhat sceptical to our transfer strategy. And we can we now and for these years we've been struggling, imo since 2015. Yes there are success since most notably ofc being the second CL throphy but we haven't really challenged for the PL in a decade now! But my point being with only bringing in these young players wont give us that strong backbone that earned so much success for the club. How are we to get a new Terry, a new Cech, a new Drogba, a new lampard out of 18 year olds? I think all teams should build around 3-4 older seasoned players and let the players be the anchors of the younger ones. Like take Madueke, could he behave like he does (on the pitch) if Lamps, Drogba and Terry was on the pitch? I don't think so. Successful teams needs leaders, like Van Dijk. If someone comes to Liverpool being all flashy flashy I'm sure Van Dijk can pull them aside and tell them off, "look, no one is bigger than the club, tone it down". Now that is put on the manager and when we only get young brats who's been pandered too and spoiled litetally since they were like 5 years old they wont take kindly to criticism from a manager and then woops dressing room splits in half and the performance collapse. Long rant for a youtube comment I know but honestly I hope Chelsea wakes up and realise we need some veterans too. Just look at Thiago Silva what happens when you sign a proper leader.
If ten hag can't do it. Nobody can
Honestly, there are at least 11-14 players I'd get rid of in the squad cause their either not available, ageing, or not performing / not worth their wages, but that's like half or a quarter of the problems, like our medical and negotiation branches needs some looking into cause its awfully weird how no matter how cautious the manager is at reintroducing recently injured players they still get injured in less than a week of availability, plus the wages and amount they pay for is so tragic and the time it takes to sell or buy too
I think the manager saying it's the worst man u team is a sure way of making sure they don't play for him. Poor management imo
Watching United at the moment is just sad. Honestly, the club needs a complete clean out from the club room to the pitch
It’s like you can tell when I’ve got dishes to do. Cheers vizeh another banger
On hindsight, they probably should've snatched the credit card out of ETHs hands the moment he even suggested accepting the £100m for Antony.
Didn't know that an institution gave all the right to pay and discuss transfer fees to one man (a manager). You know that someone like murtough is responsible for transfer fees and wages!?
Spurs and Man United giving content creators something this year
This has been coming for nearly a decade and as such won't just be fixed in a season. There's too many players on big wages that don't deserve them, the mentality of the team is way off and has been since before ETH and the board are so Jekyll and Hyde with support that they've managed to get the worst of both not spending enough (ignoring Ole's transfer list) and spending too much (letting ETH spend far too much on low quality ex-Ajax players). With most of the squad signed up until 2027 and 2028, I wouldn't be surprised if United don't get back into contention for at least three seasons. That won't change with a new manager, that will only change with the systematic removal of the rot, the commitment to back a style of play not just a manager (i.e. if Amorim does go not replacing him with someone completely different) and having the patience to let the squad build back up. There's good core players already (Amad, Ugarte, Mainoo, Bruno) and some with good potential (Collyer, Yoro, Amass) it's just about building around them and bringing in the right mentality for the right wages.
It's not Fifa, mate. At closed doors Rashford is mercurial, got influenced by Pogba and the Players FC period. If you don't control the dressing-room players will sack the manager. Even if the manager is the nicest guy you can think of, just ask Ole.
Speaking as a United fan, from what little I know of when I watch their games, it just seems like there is no drive to really win by the players. It is frustrating watching them hold back Liverpool, Arsenal, and City but literally the next match we get buried by a smaller club. It is like they could bring the quality when facing big clubs but couldn't be arsed against smaller clubs. We could be playing the same players and literally the same formation but they just suddenly couldn't play.
I do hope Amorim will stay long and could maintain his passion and intensity for the club. I am loving his honest interviews and no sugar-coating when we are just playing terrible. I feel like we need his intensity to bring some sort of change to the club and the players.
Look mate, I am a Romanian FCSB (formerly known as Steaua Bucharest) fan, we re playing United next week in the EL and I genuinely think we have a legitimate shot at winning. And that s without our talisman captain Olaru that s gotten an injury and will be out for the next 5 months. Think that says it all about United really. We ve been amazing this season in Europe sure but I as a non top 5 league fan should NEVER have any confidence ahead of a United game. I should be praying not to concede 5. Yet the only time United has even scored 3 in the EL was when MAGUIRE rescued a late draw vs Porto. They only won 1 game by more than one goal and that was by 2 against PAOK, why would I NOT believe we can make a game of it? They are still the favourites sure but at this point any side will fancy their chances against United which is part of the issue really. Hell, CFR Cluj managed to beat the SAF-led United at Old Trafford 1-0 too back in the 2012-13 CL (still didn’t progress from the group despite getting 10p), why not?
As for the actual issues at United…sure, the overpaid contracts are an issue. Sure, the Glazers took out money from the club. Some signings were clearly overpriced like Antony, then again he s still young. But when you think about it, many United signings were praised when they were done. Why do people like Sancho, Casemiro and even Di Maria all those years back always fall apart when they join United and then improve after leaving? Is it a toxic culture around the club? Is it big contracts that breed complacency? Maybe United is just cursed to suffer for a while after the SAF era (then again they still got some trophies unlike many other clubs, they are the reigning FA Cup champions after all)? It s certainly not the dinner ladies fault unlike what Ratcliffe would have you believe as you said but other than that? Either way, I cant wait for the game next Thursday!
As a united fan who started supporting the red devils back in the late 80s, it was always going to be the case that we were going to struggle once Fergie retired
Look at the laundry list of managers we've had in the last 12 years is it now......
The problem with United IS down to the players
Manchester United players have pride in the shirt
I've barely seen 5 players in the last decade who truly play with the passion and desire REQUIRED to play for united
It's a shame the way things are and I really hope amorim is given the chance to get a team together and hopefully go upwards
The issue isn’t even that the players aren’t good enough. They’re not the best in the league but they’re all pretty decent and if even average players listen to a good managers ideas they’ll succeed (Newcastle 2 years ago and Bournemouth this season). But the wages and the lengths of all the contracts and the often older type of player they sign mean that these players have no incentive to listen or put in any effort.
the only reason we signed amorim was because our board were shit scraed of city getting rid of guardiola in the summer and getting amorim as his replacement, just like they were shit scared when cr7 almost signed with city and we swooped in last minute to bring him back. One thing i have said to my other fellow manchester united fans friends for the last 3 years is that the only way out of this situation is by getting relegated as 95% of the players we have won't / don't have a championship clause in their contracts and will leave on a free and then we will be forced into a proper rebuild and we will be able to sing players that actually want to play for the club and the badge and don't just come for the big money. i have got to the pooint where i celebrate our opponents scoring on us and us losing as i know it will help long term if we get relegated
Rahsford really doesn't fit the system Amorim plays in terms of work ethic and he can't play as a striker really so yeah, he just doesn't fit whatsoever
It seemed like Chelsea and Manchester United were in the same boat last year but Chelsea are fighting for a top 4 spot right now and Manchester United are closer to relegation (10 points away) than a European spot (12 points away).
Still blaming ETH for this squad while even saying that it’s a squad composed of 4 managers, which is happening again now with the players they target to suit almorins playing style. Wait 2 years, same story will be repeated…
Reality is Man United are a perfect example of the worst things in modern football right now. Ludicrous amounts of money being shelled out for years, more wealth than most average football fans can ever possibly fathom in actual reality. Toxicity from top to bottom, the only reason they're still in the premier league is because of their name, the history and the attention that has brought in the decades before this modern era and extremely wealthy corporation types wanting a piece of the pie so pump cash in expecting a return on their investment in the long run. The money that comes in through the investment or sponsorship is just adding fuel to the fire though. If the money was to dry up I think they'd be better off. The club needs a hard reset.
Amorim feels like Schrödinger's Manager: He left Sporting and they fell off a cliff (proving he is good) but once he took over at United they also fell off a cliff (proving he's terrible).
I agree with you till Rashford... That guy just needs to go away. Not even a United fan and kinda love the clownery but Rashford is atrocious and I've said it for years and I'd like to be right about this
I get the cost cutting, but I have to say that getting rid of many of the highest earners would vastly improve the financial situation at United. We've spent stupid money on players who have been utter failures, and that's not even the current squad. Think Pogba, Donny van de Beek, Eric Bailly, Juan Mata, Cavani, and many more. While ETH can be blamed for the current squad, the ultimate responsibility is with senior management for even accepting these fees.
A good example of this is Anthony, if he was bought for £30-40m he might even be deemed acceptable, but definitely not £82m. The same can be said for Hojlund, I do like him, but there is no way that a player who had just one season in Serie A and scored 10 goals in that season is worth £74m. Then Onana has been an absolute disaster, getting rid of De Gea is one of the worst decisions in recent Man Utd history. Getting rid of a legend for a guy that doesn't seem to want to challenge crosses just because he's a "ball playing keeper". Bro his first job is to save shots and he's horrendous.
I may not speak for most Man Utd fans, but for me I'd rather we get rid of the whole lot of them and play the youngsters.
Ten hag wasn’t the issue. Amorim isn’t the issue and he will be out the door within 2 years.
as a liverpool fan, I'm absolutely loving this. they keep sinking lower and lower and the wages are a big issue. completely agree with you vizeh, they have to rebuild their 10th rebuild
Ugarte is turning out to be a really solid midfielder for us, he and Bruno are carrying the midfield rn. Rashford was in a really bad run of form before he got dropped, but I agree that it’s getting a little crazy. Great video!
As a rival fans, i certainly hope that United will NOT be relegated this season, or any season in the near future. Because drastic changes require drastic, shocking conditions. As Amorim said "This club needs a shock". I hope that moment won't come anytime soon.
4:20 thank you for the correction!!
The club is genuinely screwed for a few years or another decade unless a new owner who has the money (unlike Ratcliffe) can deal with the unnecessary high wages.
It’s so dire that the club is looking to sell Garnacho to bring in a left back. Mind you, we haven’t HAD a left back for 18 months (Shaw has been non existent)
The very thing United was known for historically, raising prospects to prominence regardless of era in their starting 11 (from the busby babes to even Rashford/Mainoo), is about to be ripped straight off the club’s heart.
All because Ratcliffe invested in a club he KNEW he couldn’t financially save.
4:18 I was about to have a go at you in the comment section, I was
There is never a long term plan with Man U. It's always going after quick fixes to paper over cracks. Along with going after name value then actually planned squad depth. Sure, they've gotten better over time in that mind, but they're still struggling to build a proper core that can actually work. Buying individuals, rather than team members.
I'd take L over playing Rashford any day in 2024-25. Marcus got an ego problem and feels he's bigger than the club. At least his performance on field and behavior says so
As an American fan who started following the sport in 2013 (s/o Daniel Sturridge) and isn't blinded by the luster of past United teams it doesn't baffle me at all. It's been a poorly run club from top to bottom ever since i've been watching football. They've treated past legends with little respect even though those players have showm United all the respect in the world as TV pundits, released Mourinho because he didn't want to play into the Hollywood club aspect that would distract even the finest professionals, and have had infrastructure issues from Old Trafford to the training room accorsing to people like R7 who know what a properly run club should look like. They've had a gaping wound in their side ever since Fergie left and rather than take the time and pain of deeper surgery, they'd rather invest in another box of bandaids. I like Amorim a lot, but even the best managers in the world would struggle with the way that club is run
If United and Spurs don't get it together then the battle for the Europa/Conference spots will be the most unpredictable ever.
Amorim won't last. He will leave and try to save his career. He really does not deserve this shit team.
Its quitte unfair how Ten Hag is mocked in england. He will succeed somewhere else for sure. What do you expect? Man U is a graveyard for coaches! Van Gaal, Mourinho they all couldnt work there
Are you a sidekick by any chance?
@@harukrentz435are you brainless? So many managers and players have failed at your cancerous club, but somehow you still believe it has nothing to do with your club culture. WHAT A LOSER😂😂😂 ENJOY YOUR NEARLY RELEGATION BATTLE
That tweet (or X-cretion as it's called now) is so spot on.
The problem is that theres too many players on stupid money and doing nothing so why should a player on lower money be putting in more effort than the guy on 350k a week
Theres a REASON why so many clubs have restrictions and limitations on wages.
Now more than ever. We should be going for lower profile players. We are stuck in a vicious cycle of over spending to fix problems. With the majority of players we bring in becoming a source of problems only a few seasons later. Stuck with under performing players. On long contracts. On big wages. Often signed for more than double their worth. We need to get over this notion that United has to buy the big names or the next up and coming star players. That expectation is halting any sort of progress. Because it simply doesn't work. If United was more inventive with our transfer business. Buying players that have potential to play at a higher level for significantly less fee's. If they work out. Keep them. If they don't. Sell them on. Because you can do that. When there's no colossal price tags and ridiculous wages involved. Because if you look at the players that have done well for us in recent season's. It hardly ever the players we sign. It's the players that have come through the academy. Why not invest more in that. Get some hardworking, ambitious and experienced players around them. And when it starts making sense. Perhaps then start signing 1-2 marquee signings for bigger, but still sensible money. But still having a squad that's about playing for the badge.
Mount, Casemiro, Erikson, Malacia, Shaw, Antony (depending on his loan performance), Rashford (I think a loan should awaken his hunger back), Sancho (Lets be honest he aint united material no more and performs way better outside Manchester), Lindelof, Zirkzee (Tbh i feel bad for him but to me he is good but not in united colors), Hojlund (I like his dedication to the struggle but We Need Goals Mate so a Loan might be good). All listed must Go and some on loan.
Wage bill MUST be cut at least by half so the deserving get more according to performance not status!
Stadium NEEDS a serious REBUILD as previously mentioned by many.
Fans as a whole NEEDS to start boycotting games to ENFORCE our disappointment in the lads but mainly to wake them up and see that we are tired and want results because we dont pay all that ticket money for the utter nonsense displayed almost every week.
Board and staff need SERIOUS change! Cant stress enough but something behind closed doors is really hurting the team and CLEARLY shows as Day on the lads morale and pitch performance!
Lastly, I believe we can overcome this Boys dont give up yet. Maguire displayed it best by far!..
Imagine if Rashford was a leader and team player? Can you imagine how great of a RWB he could be in Amorim's system if he just decided to flip a switch and say "Hell, we're up against it here and I'm gonna do everything I can!" Dude is blazing fast, great at dribbling and crossing he would just need to put in the effort to learn the spot and get up/down the pitch. Oh well.
I’m not big into football anymore but United players used to play for the team, players, staff, fans etc nowadays just seem like players are there for the money
getting rid of Rashford, just has to be more than just a football reason at this point