I do not know Mark Dever personally, but I worked and served in 9Marks ministry for 3 years as a translator. I have translated into Spanish some of his books. One of them is Discipling. When I was translating the books I felt like if I knew him because of the spiritual connection. The Holy Spirit makes us all Christians a family.
Just met Dr. MacArthur Tuesday at the Answers for Pastors...what a humble and gracious man of God he is. So blessed to have heard his two messages in KY.
Truly amazing ! Truly encouraging ! Truly a blessing ! I can't wait to visit Pastor Dever's local church in WA - and Pastor MacArthur's local church in CA .... I pray for you men - continue the work that God has put in your hearts ! First Corinthians 10:31
Thanks for posting this video, I fellowshipped at Pastor Dever's Church before the pandemic, his doctrine is very similar to Pastor John Macarthur's, who inspired me to walk away from a cult 14 years ago. ⛪💟
There's way too much of a celebrity culture in mainstream evangelicalism. It's not Mark Dever's Church there in Washington DC, (it's the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, wherever Mark Dever or whoever else may be serving as pastor at). Nowhere in scripture is a church ever identified with or by the name of an Apostle or pastor such as Paul's Church, or Peter's Church ect. (the place yes, but never the man). Also, the fact that the whole room is clapping when he comes up to preach makes it seem that the focus and the praise is on the man rather than God. All the applause that goes on in churches these days is more indicative of a show and a performance rather than biblical worship. These things do steal glory from God and should be realized and repented of.
@SpurgeoniteTo say "would you like to visit a Christian church, or evangelical church?/The church where I attend or am a member" would be better and more biblical. Or in the days of celebrity Pastors where they are pulling in six figures at least something like "let's go to the church where Mr. Spurgeon is the pastor." BTW, it should never have been called Spurgeons Metrolopolitan Tabernacle in my opinion. (Isaiah 2:22)
That same pattern is done all throughout city churches: First Baptist Church of Glenarden Opening: 12:15am between 3 and 5 gospel songs of various styles (Antebellum Gospel; American Gospel; Soul Gospel; Psalms, Hymns; Spiritual songs) evenly ministered out to us by Director of Music Steven Hurd and Assistant Director Anthony Brown and Group Therapy and the 3-4 various choirs 2. Praise and worship 3. Attentions 4. Prayers 5. Upcoming Events & Presentations 6. Prayers 7. Tithes and offerings (spiritual songs of blessing, worship and divine provision with Thanksgiving to God) 8. Pastor's Celebration and Welcome! 9. Corporate Prayer (all in building hold hands only if confident person is faithfully living for Christ and his/her prayers will be heard) 10. The Biblical teaching of God's word 11. Invitation to be redeemed (A begging to hear God calling: Unsaved Backslidden (a rededication) Unsure of salvation Seeking church home to unite with Corporate Prayers for those above Benediction We out - 1:30pm to 2pm. Yep! Pastor Dever is worshipping longer lol! Go'head Pastor Dever! Hope we can follow deeper just as you!
Hear this all ye "staying up with the times" churches. Entertainment light shows sensory overload....Community so and so "churches" Hill something by name
Mark Dever has gone off the rails. MacArthur has no connection to him anymore. This video is from along time ago. Dever is from the woke church movement.
morrij01 he doesn’t want to “fight his friends” but Dr. John should realize we don’t have the luxury of fighting error/heresy disembodied, it always involves a person, sometimes a friend.
@@doctrinalwatchdog6268 What's wrong with being a democrat? The Bible doesn't tell us which political party to go with, only which God to serve. And both parties have been wrong on many things before.
@@doctrinalwatchdog6268 I’m certainly anti-abortion myself but I l’m not going to judge someone if they want to vote for someone who is pro-abortion. For example, with the way Congress is situated right now (majority anti-abortion) it doesn’t seem like Biden would be able to put in place any pro-abortion legislation. So for someone who doesn’t want to vote for Trump, I don’t see a problem with voting for Biden. And I think the issue of whether or not churches in states with strict laws (like MacArthur’s in California) should be meeting on Sunday is not black and white. I can see how a pastor like MacArthur could justify meeting in defiance of the governor’s requests. Weekly gatherings are certainly helpful in maintaining the health of the local church, but I also think that there are at least a few good reasons for not meeting yet. I think it’s important that we empathize with one another in times like these instead of being divisive. I think Dever gave his opinions with respect and tact without condemnation
@@bv6108 kinda wishy washy and, it's wrong to think a strong stance on what is right is somehow "divisive". 50 years ago NO Christian would ever dream of supporting Biden's policies, you are a frog in a pot of water and you don't even notice you are being cooked to death.
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I do not know Mark Dever personally, but I worked and served in 9Marks ministry for 3 years as a translator.
I have translated into Spanish some of his books. One of them is Discipling. When I was translating the books I felt like if I knew him because of the spiritual connection. The Holy Spirit makes us all Christians a family.
Just met Dr. MacArthur Tuesday at the Answers for Pastors...what a humble and gracious man of God he is. So blessed to have heard his two messages in KY.
Roman you need eternal life.
Truly amazing ! Truly encouraging ! Truly a blessing ! I can't wait to visit Pastor Dever's local church in WA - and Pastor MacArthur's local church in CA .... I pray for you men - continue the work that God has put in your hearts ! First Corinthians 10:31
Actually it's DC but I assume that's what you meant
Thanks for posting this video, I fellowshipped at Pastor Dever's Church before the pandemic, his doctrine is very similar to Pastor John Macarthur's, who inspired me to walk away from a cult 14 years ago. ⛪💟
Dever is now catering to wokeism. So be careful, read your bible like a berean.
Mark Dever is a great guy!
Love it !
I love to hear Pastor John Macarthur !
Br. John, you should come to Louisiana.
Are either one of you coming back any time soon?
I seriously doubt that John MacArthur would endorse him the same way now.
Which tells me JM lacks biblical discernment. Has he publically retracted his endorsement, do you know?
Why?
There's way too much of a celebrity culture in mainstream evangelicalism. It's not Mark Dever's Church there in Washington DC, (it's the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, wherever Mark Dever or whoever else may be serving as pastor at). Nowhere in scripture is a church ever identified with or by the name of an Apostle or pastor such as Paul's Church, or Peter's Church ect. (the place yes, but never the man). Also, the fact that the whole room is clapping when he comes up to preach makes it seem that the focus and the praise is on the man rather than God. All the applause that goes on in churches these days is more indicative of a show and a performance rather than biblical worship. These things do steal glory from God and should be realized and repented of.
Frederick Winfield do you doubt, this men will lay down their lives for the eternal gospel without batting an eye lid?
@SpurgeoniteTo say "would you like to visit a Christian church, or evangelical church?/The church where I attend or am a member" would be better and more biblical. Or in the days of celebrity Pastors where they are pulling in six figures at least something like "let's go to the church where Mr. Spurgeon is the pastor." BTW, it should never have been called Spurgeons Metrolopolitan Tabernacle in my opinion. (Isaiah 2:22)
@@Tanjaicholan are you talking about Dever or MacArthur. How do you know that either one would?
I agree with Koba! Spot on!
I bet Dever would not allow MacArthur to preach there today
That same pattern is done all throughout city churches:
First Baptist Church of Glenarden
Opening: 12:15am between 3 and 5 gospel songs of various styles (Antebellum Gospel; American Gospel; Soul Gospel; Psalms, Hymns; Spiritual songs) evenly ministered out to us by Director of Music Steven Hurd and Assistant Director Anthony Brown and Group Therapy and the 3-4 various choirs
2. Praise and worship
3. Attentions
4. Prayers
5. Upcoming Events & Presentations
6. Prayers
7. Tithes and offerings (spiritual songs of blessing, worship and divine provision with Thanksgiving to God)
8. Pastor's Celebration and Welcome!
9. Corporate Prayer (all in building hold hands only if confident person is faithfully living for Christ and his/her prayers will be heard)
10. The Biblical teaching of God's word
11. Invitation to be redeemed (A begging to hear God calling:
Unsaved
Backslidden (a rededication)
Unsure of salvation
Seeking church home to unite with
Corporate Prayers for those above
Benediction
We out - 1:30pm to 2pm.
Yep! Pastor Dever is worshipping longer lol! Go'head Pastor Dever!
Hope we can follow deeper just as you!
Awesome....
Woe are we in America! Where have we then gone astray?!
Daniel - by allowing these kind of churches to perpetuate garbage ideology.
Is Mark Dever’s View on Church Membership More Painful Than a Root Canal?
Sad that it's such a different scenario now...
If Y’all think Mark Dever isn’t a solid conservative you got another thing coming
Hear this all ye "staying up with the times" churches. Entertainment light shows sensory overload....Community so and so "churches" Hill something by name
Dever too bad he back stabbed Grace in all his pomp. ugh
Isn’t Dever a Lordship Salvationist?
So is MacArthur. He was the leader of the battle.
@@johnalbent so they’re both false teachers
@@TeddyFreddy94 So, if Jesus is not your Lord, who is? The Devil?
@@fastrivers812 nice call...yup most think just say a prayer n move on. If one is regenerated his..her desires and nature are changed....etc.
I’m feeling ill. This is “real church”?
fanatics
Mark Dever has gone off the rails. MacArthur has no connection to him anymore. This video is from along time ago. Dever is from the woke church movement.
sadly
Not true, it the culture around which has done the damage sadly.
Has JM said as much? Has he publically retracted his endorsement of Dever?
I'm a member at Capitol Hill and I'm genuinely confused why you think he's gone off the rails.
Maybe John should address how Mark is capitulating to the Marxists and the homosexual lobby.
morrij01 he doesn’t want to “fight his friends” but Dr. John should realize we don’t have the luxury of fighting error/heresy disembodied, it always involves a person, sometimes a friend.
True dat and are all those prayers to be praised by men is it for show
I ponder how you see this, unless you are the one capitulating to the Christian Nationalism as a pillar of faith
He has now defected-Mark Denver
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Repent of bearing false witness against a brother in Christ.
@@mariopeter4387 how is this false witness, Dever is a verified Democrat and his words are all public.
@@doctrinalwatchdog6268 What's wrong with being a democrat? The Bible doesn't tell us which political party to go with, only which God to serve. And both parties have been wrong on many things before.
Not impressed with Mark Dever.
These was before 2 years.
Today is another story.
Do you mind sharing what you don’t like about him?
@@bv6108 9 Marks is going liberal, Dever & Leeman defended voting for baby killers. Critical of John MacArthur for simply having church.
@@doctrinalwatchdog6268 I’m certainly anti-abortion myself but I l’m not going to judge someone if they want to vote for someone who is pro-abortion. For example, with the way Congress is situated right now (majority anti-abortion) it doesn’t seem like Biden would be able to put in place any pro-abortion legislation. So for someone who doesn’t want to vote for Trump, I don’t see a problem with voting for Biden.
And I think the issue of whether or not churches in states with strict laws (like MacArthur’s in California) should be meeting on Sunday is not black and white. I can see how a pastor like MacArthur could justify meeting in defiance of the governor’s requests. Weekly gatherings are certainly helpful in maintaining the health of the local church, but I also think that there are at least a few good reasons for not meeting yet.
I think it’s important that we empathize with one another in times like these instead of being divisive. I think Dever gave his opinions with respect and tact without condemnation
@@bv6108 kinda wishy washy and, it's wrong to think a strong stance on what is right is somehow "divisive". 50 years ago NO Christian would ever dream of supporting Biden's policies, you are a frog in a pot of water and you don't even notice you are being cooked to death.
Dever is a wolf
Why?! Ge is not a wolf! Don't listen to guys on the internet who have no work but make videos of others and milk stories to make money!