STAR WARS FAN WATCHES DUNE!! MOVIE REACTION!! (First Time Watching)
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- Опубликовано: 14 мар 2024
- Got the biggest Star Wars fan I know to come and watch Dune with me for the first time!! I also liked it much more on my second go!
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My DUNE PART 2 REVIEW (while u wait for the reaction with Alex)-
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I gotta say, guy calling out "That's Duncan, you can tell by the way he is flying." .. Bro that is exactly how Paul knows its him in the book. Dennis' ability to get by removing all the inner monologues by portraying things visually and making the audience say it themselves is fantastic. The same was with the spice harvester rescue scene, so many reactors had said "this Duke is a good man, I like this guy." Which was the inner monologue of Kynes in the book.
This is a really good analysis of how they adapted words from a book to the screen!
Yeah I love that you really can notice a Duncan swoop landing, he pulls up the thopter's nose very high for a quick landing.
If only we could turn this into a meme, like "He's pulling a Duncan!".
@@metalorewhen dune 3 comes out maybe we can do that (the duncan gholas 😂
Duncan is said to be the “hero” of the dune universe. He is the person we see the most by the end of it and basically the best human around. He has impeccable morals and he has the spark of life and joy in everything he does. He has swagger and charisma that he wields for good and benevolence.
He is said to be the most “human” human
They explained how the shields worked in the training session - A slow blade can penetrate the shield. When they're wearing the shields they still have to be able to breathe through it. If you notice the dart that got Leto and the bombs that took out the Atreides ships both slowed down to enable them to pass through the shields.😊
Yeah we fully understood how SLOW blades work but got confused when u see Duncan running and slashing people full speed lol.
@@Rakhim99they do go over this in the book, but it's not so clear in the movies, but the shields are extremely effective at blocking things moving fast, that's why almost no one uses guns, the shields will block them every time, the Fremen use mauler pistols because they live in the desert where you cannot use shields because of the worms. So with the swordplay, it's all about deception, feinting your opponent and striking when they are unaware, the great sword masters (Gurney and Duncan are legends in their own lifetimes for being sword warriors and are renowned as some of the best in the universe) train extensively to learn the limits of the shield, and time their strikes perfectly to deflect and penetrate their effects.
This is actually illustrated really well in the film by the scene where they Atreides soldiers are being attacked from both sides on the stairs by the Harkonnens and Sardukaur. The Atreides are making light work of holding back the Harkonnens but the Sardukaur are next level sword masters compared to the regular infantryman of the Atreides and cut them down shields and all.
@@Rakhim99if you really pay attention to Duncan fighting he slows down at the last millisecond to make each cut. He’s incredibly precise and easy to miss the detail but it’s there.👍
When Paul fights to the death near the end, it takes him a few seconds to adjust as he's been trained using a shield. Bullets won't penetrate a shield, and laser vs shield causes a MASSIVE explosion, so they don't use them often.
That’s one thing they did not mention in the films : when a laser hits a shield it triggers a thermonuclear explosion…
3:20 Dune takes place in _our_ galaxy. All of our history is canon to Dune. Paul even ends up comparing himself to Hitler in the second book.
Thats a crazy spoiler but ok
@@Grimmreaper007good you're smarter now
It takes place in the Known Universe. This could be much greater than our home galaxy.
@@Grimmreaper007Well unless you were gonna read the books or are gonna. Be grateful for the spoiler
The Fremen weren’t specifically described as brown in the book. But it was implied they had Arab/Berber origins. The black thing for the film is…new (DEI). It’s never explicitly said that the Atreides are white, the Duke is vaguely described as olive skinned. But then again they got a Greek name soooo. Chani was described as a redhead though, not so much like Zendaya. And Dr. Kynes was specifically described as a tall blond tanned white man. Like Lawrence of Arabia.
Futuristic but analogue tech because they fought a war against AI and only barely won, then vowed to never have computers again.
The second book, 'Dune: Messiah', completes the story of Paul Maud'Ib. The following books go into the story of his children and so on.
I highly recommend reading Dune Messiah. It’s excellent.
That's not actually true U need children of dune to compete Paul's story n understanding what Paul failed n how his son will succeed where Paul fails all that comes into understanding n U get the story better U gotta read children of dune it completed every character introduced in dune hell Lady Jessica and Gurney Halleck are not in Dune Messiah they come back in children of dune. You need children of dune it gets real weird from book 4 sure but U gotta read the first 3 dune novels.
It's like this
Books 1-3 one story
Book 4 one story
Books 5-6 one story
Worm son
No aliens in Dune, everyone came from Tera (Earth) but its about 40,000 years in our future.
Yeah that spider thing was a human that got fucked up with experiments.
well no sapient aliens. there is life indigenous to other planets. the sand worms are alien, they aren't even carbon based, according to the books appendix
~20,000* years in the future
Yup. Dune takes the opposite approach than Star Trek or Star Wars when it comes to aliens.
In those franchises, aliens are ALL OVER the place and thousands of sentient races exist in the same galaxy.
In Dune, advanced alien life MAY exist somewhere out there in the universe, but, it’s so extremely rare and space is so incomprehensibly vast that it’s never encountered by humanity. Maybe at some point in the far future beyond the books they may encounter advanced alien life. We just never know.
I reckon the worms on Arrakis would count as aliens, as they aren't found on any other planets in the Imperium.
Shields make projectiles somewhat obsolete. The shields reflect objects with high speed. The higher the speed the more the shield deflects the attack. Thats why, in universe, they cant use lasguns around shields because if they connect the result is an atomic explosion, because you can't really get much faster than the speed of lasers. Objects moving slowly can get by shields.
Not that it makes much sense though; photons in laser have no mass, so I don't know how that 'atomic' explosion is even generated.
@@thoso1973 they are called lasguns but it’s not really defined if they are lasers or particle weapons. Interesting bit of lore though it the shields are a break off tech of the holtzman drive for FTL travel. It utilizes the same tech in the lore just at much smaller scales.
In the Book there is also the funeral scene for Jamis back in Sietch where they all sit down and say that they were a 'Friend of Jamis' paul is relcutant at first but joins in this custom and cries for Jamis, which in the desert culture of the fremen who are so strict on water discipline is seen to be very significant, and the fremen present all exclaim how Paul "gives water for the dead" and see this as a sign of great reverence for Jamis from Paul.
"Dreams make good stories, but everything important happens when we're awake."
Fun Fact: The film was leaked online on October 17, 2021, less than a week before its American premiere.
Music Enthusiast Fact: The use of Pink Floyd's song Eclipse (1973) in the first trailer caused the song to skyrocket on streaming music platforms by 1700%.
Lost In Adaptation Fact: This film sports a distinctly Arabic theme, in keeping with author Frank Herbert having used Islamic culture as an influence for his story.
Location Location Fact: The scenes on the ocean world of Caladan were shot in Stadlandet, Norway. Much of the desert scenes on the desert world of Arrakis were shot in Jordan and Abu Dhabi, in the Middle East.
Fan Filmmakers Fact: Composer Hans Zimmer is a big fan of the novel Dune, and turned down working with frequent collaborator Christopher Nolan on Tenet (2020) to score this film. For the same reason, Denis Villeneuve was the top choice but turned down the offer to direct the Bond film No Time To Die (2021).
DENIS BOND FILM?!
Also Villeneuve is a fan of the novels as well. This is what you get when a director is a fan of the source material.
Paul does not see the future, Paul sees all possible futures. That's why he saw a possible future where Chani kills him, a possible future where h and Jamis were friends, etc.
Sorry I should say he sees possible futures, eh does not start seeing ALL possible futures until the second movie.
I think all 6 Dune books are honestly worth to read/listen to. They are weird, but in my opinion Children of Dune surpasses the original. I think they might not be for everyone, but they are worth experiencing.
Surpasses the original you say 🤔🤔
I honestly agree, yeah it gets pretty off the rails and absurd after children but that's why I love it, all spice no brakes baby!
The first two novels are basically just exposition for the wild ride to come
"God Emperor of Dune" is one of my favorite books ever. It might just be me though
@@Mahbeiserts God Emperor is my favourite book of the six, its weird and magnificent.
God emperor is definitely goatex
Dune is actually the real inspiration for Star Wars, it was written by Frank Hebbert in 1960, while George Lucas wrote Star Wars in the 70s, so a lot of elements present in Star Wars are actually inspired by Dune, Anakin and Luke's stories are heavily inspired bu Paul's
Watching a film shot on imax cameras in a brightly lit room on a desktop computer. 😔
I was so heart broken! But it’s all we had for the recording😭😭
such is live sometimes
Leto and The Baron are not cousins. The term is used loosely among heads of the great houses as term of familiarity within the Landsraad. Not entirely dissimilar to the British calling their queen (and even female officials) "Mum" and the royal "we".
"duncan idaho" sounds like it should be the name of a brand of frozen french fries you buy at the grocery store
I wonder why Frank landed at “Idaho” as the last name lol
@@Rakhim99 imagine how 19th century americans would react to the knowledge that one of the most successful movie franchises of all time is named ''Indiana Jones''
first of all they would be ''wtf is a movie''
second they would find the name rather weird
in a similar fashion Frank Herbert played with this notion, what common place names of the present will become family names in the far future
how to tell what names will survive, how will the conventions change?
all of those premises amount to the most hardy cowboy name this size of the imperium
9:20 it is explained in the book that that bull head is the bull that killed the previous leader: Paul’s grandpa. the one that “fought bulls for sport” from earlier in the movie. they keep it as a reminder that death can come at any time
Remember when saying "is this Game of Thrones and Star Wars together" its actually the other way around. Dune was there for a long a time, and it inspired many future stories, even Elder Scrolls Morrowind (the Nerevarine, Ashlanders etc.)
Also, according to a Dune wiki, there are 11 known Major Houses and untold number of Minor Houses.
I mean personal preference is personal preference, but the reason Frank Herbert wrote the second book Dune Messiah is because people didn’t fully comprehend the message when the first book came out. So I would say Messiah is for sure mandatory because of that and it’s also awesome. After that the books get more weird sci fi and so depending on preference some people think the books just get better and better and others aren’t as big of fans. I would say if you like Star Wars you would like the later books because Star Wars can be kinda weird too at times.
From what Denis has said recently, his plan is for sure three films. But in terms of the books after that, he has to wait and see how he feels after Dune Messiah if he’s up to undertaking adapting them. He has said he would support another director taking on the mantle as well. So I guess we just have to wait and see what happens.
Solid reaction. Thank you. Just for your information, the shields protect from fast moving objects (bullets, very fast sword thrusts/slices), but for slower movements, the shields can be penetrated (remember the training between Paul and Gurney).
Two things that an audio book won't give you are the three appendices and the glossary of Imperial terms, which are found in the novel. In one of the appendices Frank talks about the Butlerian Jihad, which was a hundred year war against A.I. After destroying all presence of robotic intelligence, a law was passed outlawing any development of thinking machines and computers. Humans were trained for this aspect and are called Mentats (Thufir Hawat for the Atreides and Piter Debris for the Harkonnens for example).
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Thank you for the kind words! Yeah the audio booked talked bout Mentats and how they worked but I don’t remember hearing bout the AI war.
@@Rakhim99they do touch on the Butlerian Jihad in the first book, but only briefly, it becomes a much more relevant term from messiah onwards
I definitely would suggest doing all 6 originally written by Frank. Or go to at least to God Emperor (4th book). Messiah isn't a good place to end as it's more a setup for Children of Dune which is fantastic, and God emperor is the resolution of the storylines that are set up in Children of Dune.
For some 3eason the modern Human mind cannot comprehend that this movie only covered the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the first book. It was just made to set up the characters. The Houses. The Organizations in the World of Dune. Also set up the Politics and the behind the scene motives of all the groups. It did that perfectly. There were many viewers though that wanted the complete story of the first book to be told in Part 1. Silly notion. Why have a Part 2 then?. But as a huge fan of the Book. This movie did the best job in telling the story as Herbert wrote it, But Herbert was a tricky writer. He has many tricks and surprises in store for those that continue the saga of Dune. Things are not always as simple as they seem. In fact, Dune despises "simple"..... Is all about complicated.
plans within plans
If Dune reminds you of Star Wars it's because George Lucas pulled A LOT from it.
As for the shields and why nobody uses guns, shields stop anything moving swiftly so bullet based weapons are useless. There's lasers but if they make contact with a shield it causes a nuclear detonation, so blades become the weapon of choice.
When you watch Part 2, I dare you to watch it on an iPad. That's what the director intended.
deniele lenovo rolls in this grave
and he's still alive
Everyone is human but living on different planets over thousand of years have changed each race. The spider creature was a genetically modified human.
they don't have guns because bullets would just bounce off the shields. you can go through them by moving slow enough, which is kind of hard to visualize hence the confusion. The reason he has a gun at the end is because the fremen can't wear shields, and not one really can in the open desert, so they can shoot there, but because they love their ritual combat and because the need for guns in the universe is rare, they still use knives mainly.
Also historically it took guns about 400 years to replace swords after they were first introduced into europe, and even when swords went away they still had bayonets and machetes
The Bull killed Paul’s grandfather in a bullfighting event. It shows up before death scenes.
If U shoot someone who has a shield on it has a nuclear explosion n both are killed so every one uses shields and knives n gotta get in personal to drive the slow blade to penetrate the shield n kill your opponent
That's only with Lasguns, regular bullets just get deflected by the shields.
@@lachlanmarshall39 which is also one way to assure some level of self-destruction albeit a far less dramatic one
The bull is significant because the grandfather used to fight bulls and was killed by one but also, while it’s not revealed in the movies in the books the bull is the sigil of house Harkonnen, so it’s some cool Easter eggs for those that know the books.
The bull head is the actual bull that killed Paul's grandfather. In the books it describes that his blood is preserved on the bull's head
That stuffed bull head is the bull that killed Leto's father. His blood is preserved on it's horns.
Also... when Paul is kneeling at the Spice Crawler and says "I recognize your footsteps Old Man", he's not saying it to Gurney, he's saying it to the approaching Worm. Shai-Hulud means "Old Man of the Desert".
Also, Duncan Idaho IS that guy. Everyone recognizes him on sight and know that they can't beat him in a fight. He is a Swordmaster of Ginaz, legendary fighters every Great House employs to train their armies. Ducan is a legendary figure within those swordmasters, so everyone knows to run unless it's a 25 on 1.
People never understand the scene between Mapes and Jessica when she breaks down in religious fervour. Imagine if you were a devout Christian and just met the mother of Jesus, that is basically what is happening in that scene.
the "pet" creature the Baron had in the film is not from the book, it is from a manga that was created by the 1st person picked to make Dune into a film (Alejandro Jodorowsky) but ultimately didn't get to make it, that creature was a nod to him.
I highlighted recommended giving the documentary, Jodorowsky’s Dune a watch. It helps to make clear the question of if Dune is adaptable.
There are 6 books. I always recommend reading the first two, (the second one is more of a continuation of book one and is somewhat shorter than the others as a result,) books because they are a complete arc.
Then continue on to the last four books if you feel compelled. Most people’s favorite book of the series is usually the 4th or 5th books.
Yeah, Denis Villeneuve even asked to shoot parts one and two at the same time, the studio was like, “start with one, then we’ll see,” and after they wrap shooting we get the pandemic, so they couldn’t travel back to Jordan even if they wanted. I think the success of Part One did lead to Part Two getting the camera upgrade though.
Whole lore about why the tech is low-tech. The Fremen, (who had that gun,) do not use the shields because they drive the works into a frenzy. The soldiers do not use the guns because the shields deflect fast-moving projectiles. Lasers making contact with the shields will create some sort of feedback loop which climaxes into a nuclear-level explosion. The rest of the reasoning for the low-tech is answered in the lore.
When the emperor took the planet from the Harkonnens & gave it to the Atreides it created a motivation for the Harkonnens to attack the Atreides, (two families that are already adversaries.) The Emperor basically picks a side by providing military support, especially w/ the use of the Sardukar, (who are from a prison planet-Not a house.) BUT, the emperor has to be sneaky because if the other houses learn that the emperor made that happen there would be general warfare among the houses, (like a World War scenario.)
The shields are slow permeable, like oobleck. This means that only slow-moving objects can breach them, so holding a blade to someone's throat for more than a few seconds can allow the blade to pass through the shield. Hope this helps!
The Emperor is House Corrino.
The shields are designed to resist an object the faster it enters its field. So they use a blade because it's slower than a bullet. Some weapons, with greater scale, can still pierce the shields.
LOOKS GOOD IS THE KEY THEY LEFT OUT SO MUCH THE OTHER ADAPTATIONS INCLUDED THAT WAS KEY TO UNDERSTANDING THINGS FROM THE START
these are the ways you could read the series:
Just Dune: a pretty much self contained story, recommended for everyone who wants to check out the sci-fi classic
Dune Messiah: It's more of an epilogue to the first book taking place some years later, and the book is not very long. Good place to stop if you just wanted Paul's story.
Up to God-Emperor of Dune, or the Golden Path story: The film ride. no point in reading Children if you're not gearing up for the big one. Just a heads up: it gets pretty weird. Some people say that God-Emperor is the best book of the series, and the one Herbert wanted to write all along. But also understand that it's a slow book, focused on dialogues on philosophical concepts. The ending does give a good close to the overall story so far.
Heretics and Chapterhouse: takes places thousands of years after God-Emperor. It gets absolutely wild in the weird stuff departament and Frank starts inserting his fetishes to an uncomfortable level. It's universally agreed that they're not as good as the previous ones. They also end on a kind of a cliffhanger, and Frank died before writing the final one. Only recommended if you really want more Dune, and are ok with loose ends.
Son's stuff: don't ever touch it. They are poorly written cashgrabs, and Brain and KJA fundamentally misunderstood the world of Dune and themes that Frank was trying to get across
Full ride*, not film ride
The reason that there are no guns is that bullets will just be stopped by shields. Even in sword fighting the blade has to enter the shield slowly to be effective. In the book when Paul is fighting Jamis (without a shield) he struggles to kill Jamis because he is still fighting Jamis as if he has a shield. It makes Stilgar ask Jessica why Paul is toying with Jamis.
Fun fact: In one of the Star Wars extras they show Lucas's original notes and I paused it and read them and he wrote that Leia couldn't be interrogated by torture because members of the royal house were trained to withstand torture, which immedately reminded me of the Bene Gesserit training. So, I wonder if the royal houses of the planets in Star Wars were more like the Great Houses of Dune in his head.
27:35 about the shields (you guys would know it by now but I'm still saying xD)... They're quite simple actually: the shield will block a bullet, but if you use a blade and hit below a certain momentum/speed (below a full throttle blade attack, by slowing the motion just when you hit - which requires some training), it will penetrate the shield. Which is why they're fighting melee with blades instead of using ballistics. However, some bombs have been designed so that they halt when getting to a shield, "screwing" their way in and then explode under that shield (which gives out nice visual fx as we've seen during the invasion). The downside is that their "vibration" (smt like that) makes them useless in the desert as this would attract the worms.
Frank wrote 6 books and, planned a 7th. The 1st 4 are a complete arc. After Frank's death, the publisher wanted Brian to continue them. For about 20 years he said no. When he finally decided to take a crack at it, there had beef nothing new for decades. He and Kevin J Anderson decided to fill in the gaps with missing history, before, after &, alongside the original books.
Hunters/Sandworms of Dune take characters & notes from Frank for "Dune 7." The action is better written in those books, tho Frank got better with action be the 3rd book. There is 1 major plot point from Frank's last book which is missing. It ends well, tho.
I first read Dune around the same time that the OG Star Wars was released in theaters, I was around 14, part one was great and I can't wait to see part 2
Dune takes place about 20,000 years in the future.
Shooting a shield with a gun is suicidal, it causes a megaton blast at the shield and the gun.
The emperor is House Corrino.
The reason they don't rely much on projectial weapons. Is because of the personal shield ls. The shields on this universe stop high velocity or energy weapons. It is possible to get through them. At slower speeds. That's why they use swords.
I CANT WAIT to see y’all react to part 2
With the shields their combat of blade fighting is all different notice their attacks are peircing and close because only a slow movement can penetrate the shields like scratching ur nose or wiping your skin, so combat mimics cqc. No attacks that are strong or broad, notice how characters kill their opponent pulling their blade away or back, very great attention to detail.
guns tend to be be defeated by shields, so melee was the prevalent combat.
Shields stop fast objects, slow object (knives, swords) can penetrat them.
In the book there were also lasguns. These caused shields to explode (and the lasgun also explodes). I am not sure if they are including these in the movies.
The general consensus on which books to read is: how weird do you want to get? All six Frank books if you're okay with pretty weird, just the first two if weird is not your thing but you want Frank to make his most important point, and books 3 and maybe 4 if you want to see where he's going with it but you don't care about the details.
The miniseries, Frank Herbert's Dune, is pretty decent if you don't mind low budget, and the sequel series Children of Dune (covers books two and three) is even better.
As for the politics...
The Emperor is absolute... is a sentence you are legally required to agree with, because these are feudal lords whose legitimacy over the peasant class comes from the same system that legitimizes the Emperor's rule over them.
In reality, though, the Bene Gesserit, the Spacing Guild, the Tleilaxu, and several Houses' prized mentats all basically know how to exert power over the Emperor's decisions.
Angle 1: no spice = no space travel = no empire to rule over and profit from. Threaten to go to war with the House that governs Arrakis, or just pour money into "private" snuggling operations that weaken that House... well, you can only get punished if you get caught, but the Emperor can only overlook it if the spice is still flowing to the Spacing Guild, who have a total monopoly on navigation.
Angle 2: As head of House Corrino, the Emperor is "just" another Great House ruler, and the other Houses have ancient beefs with them. He has the strongest military, the most vicious troops, yes... but it wouldn't take a unanimous coalition of the Landsraad to outgun him, just a few key players. If the Atreides family (a Great House slowly fading away) could attract some underdog sympathy, they might actually end up with a coalition that could genuinely threaten his rule. And enough Houses carry grudges against Corrino's time on the throne that they won't lift a finger to save him.
26:43 yep there pratically are no guns bc the shield made them useless, it’s block any projectile faster than 9 cm per second and since gun’s projectie are much faster than that they are instantly blocked. For the laseguns (laser-guns) it’s another story, when the laser touched the shiel it reacts by creating a reaction similar to a nuclear explosion in the shield but also in the source of the laser (the gun), so basically if a lasegun is used against a shield, everyone is fucked: the shooter, the target and everyone in the perimeter.
For all this reason they all agreed to only fight with swords or melee weapons bc that’s the only viable option
The only place on Arrakis where ranged weapons can be used effectively is in the desert, cause using shield attracts a sandworm even worse than rhythmic thumping.
Paul sees alternative timelines in his visions, like mentats do.. he was trained by the mentats as well. What he's seeing is an alternative time line in which his mother dies and there is no challenge by Jamus. In that line Jamus becomes a good friend.
When Paul says "I see your steps old man", he doesn't mean Gurney Halleck, but a worm.
Or it's kind of a double meaning.
It’s a double meaning. It’s a call back to their training scene in the first movie when Gurney warned him that someone could imitate his steps, he says that exact line in response.
The reason the emperor lured House Atreides away from their home planet is that it was basically impossible to attack them there since they have ruled there generations and had an entire planetary populace that would have come to their defence. On Arrakis, they only had their own soldiers to rely on and what little native population that existed, was not going to come to their aid when they got attacked.
I'd say read the first four books as it completes a whole arc of two main characters. The last two books are great, but the story isn't finished since Frank Herbert died before completing the last book.
I like to think about the sheer mechanical stresses on the wings of the ornithopters. At that length, they are defying known materials science and mechanical engineering. There's no material we could build at that length and beat that rapidly which wouldn't tear itself apart. Because "thinking machines" are banned in this setting and have been for thousands of years, they've devoted all of their technological progress to mechanical engineering and materials. They are the masters of grand structures. Immense starships, immense buildings. Everything has an understated elegance to it, like the gigantic starship that is a plain sphere.
Projection weapons are stopped by shields, and lasers react with shields and produce a nuclear reaction.
The shields prevent guns from working. They sometimes use special darts that will slowly burrow through a personal shield but you can knock such a dart away with your sword. (Unfortunately Leto didn't have his sword when the dart hit the shield in his back. He should have pulled the weapon out of the maid's body and used it.) Blades can penetrate a shield so everyone is trained in blades. They also have lasers but only use them on machines and people that don't have shields because lasers hitting the shields results in the equivalent of a nuclear explosion.
And BTW Lisan al'Gaib... The mother and the son. Bene Gesserit normally bear girl children. Jessica disobeyed orders and produced a son. When they went to Arrakis, the fremen saw a bene gesserit with a son and immediately believed that their prophecy (created by the bene gesserit themselves) was being fulfilled.
If you get hungry for more Dune after seeing the second one, I recommend the 2000 TV miniseries over the 1984 film. The production values are humble, to say the least, but it's much more faithful to the source material.
Yo I got a question, that tribal on the wall, where is that from? It looks like the tribal tattoos from my tribe! Just curious!
and from the book the laz guns were outlawed in the emperium because if the laz gun hits a shield it causes nuclear explosion.
Por esse motivo eles desligam um instante antes de atingir o tóptero....
There was a war with the machines. That's why everything is analog. There is one visible power. The emperor and the houses under him. But they can overthrow him. So they have some power over him. There are two covert powers probably as big as the emperor that operate in secret. Bene Gesserit that manipulate over the centuries in partial secret. The navigator's guild that wield the ultimate power. No one can travel through space without them but they don't openly wield that power. So the emperor appears to control the two secret powers on the surface. Or that's my understanding of it all. It's all European history with an emperor added in. The different royal's from different countries (all cousins) and sometimes those royals are overthrown internally in the country, the catholic church and the merchant navies.
5:26 as long as you are fully aware that Dune was written in 1965, Star Wars came out in 1977, and GoT was written in 1996. So, it's more accurate to say that these are like Dune.
The Fremen weren’t specifically described as brown in the book. But it was implied they had Arab/Berber origins. The black thing for the film is…new (DEI). It’s never explicitly said that the Atreides are white, the Duke is vaguely described as olive skinned. But then again they got a Greek name soooo. Chani was described as a redhead though, not so much like Zendaya. And Dr. Kynes was specifically described as a tall blond tanned white man. Like Lawrence of Arabia.
I would say 20+ thousand years in the future, who knows what people will look like.
The shields stop fast moving things. Like bullets, missiles and bombs. They can only be penetrated by slow attacks. Hence why guns are useless-The reason the Harkonen/Sardaukar succeeded in destroying the Atreides aircraft and breaching Arrakean, was that Dr. Yueh destroyed the shield generator guarding the city.
Shield combat is based upon swift defenses and slow attacks. Slow slicing, boring stabbing motions, grappling. The idea is to move in such a way to get your foe off balance, so you can deliver the slow death.
People don't just say Star Wars was influenced by Dune George Lucas said he was influenced by Dune. That's not to say that's bad. The epic scope of Dune would n't exist without Middle Earth The Hobbit & Lord of the rings.
3:29 This is our Galaxy these people are descended from people from Earth It is actually 20,000 years from now. 10,000 years from now a robot uprising was put down. Thinking machines were banned. That's why they have to use spice to figure out how to fold space a computer could do it but they don't have them.
26:18 Shields prevent you from being shot with an ordinary bullet like we have. You have to use a special weapon that slows down and slowly penetrates the shield. That gives a defender time to react and perhaps destroy the projectile.
27:30 No if you hit a shield harder you will bounce off harder. You have to slow down and push with steady Force. That's what those special weapons were doing to the shielded ships.
Dune has advanced technically yes but AI is STRICTLY forbidden big war almost wiped out humanity way in the past. The Emperor rules the known universe and is actually as powerful as all of the great houses put together (currently there are somewhere around 100). The shields are very affective against energy and projectile weapons but not against slow moving objects hence the blades and fighting style.
The bull is the one who killed grandfather
So the reason some people don't enjoy the following Frank Herbert Dune books is because, with each passing book, they become increasingly philosophical. Less action, more talking about ancestral memories and guiding humanity down a golden path and stuff like that. If you like that kind of stuff, the books are excellent. If you don't, you might not enjoy them as much. I still think they're worth a try.
Guns won’t work on shields on purpose…fast strikes are blocked, only slow attacks get through
Bc of how far in the future this universe is, the names Paul and Jessica are ancient names to everyone else.
Dune Messiah is much shorter than Dune. Herbert wrote Dune Messiah because lots of people didn't understand what he was trying to say in Dune, the main message being that charismatic leaders can be hazardous to your health.
The pet is Wanna.
Headcanon accepted.
Also, that's a Tleilaxu experiment.
dunkin idaho? where are you gonna find a cup that big!?
When the book to the movie was written, Star Wars was just a wet dream of G. Lucas, just like GoT.
It is generally known that G. Lucas was "somewhat" inspired by the book for Star Wars. 😉
Dude said he read the book but he doesn't know how shields work?
The first three books were written at the same time and intended to be ONE book. However, the first book is quite self contained to be a solid read. You would be missing so much cool stuff not reading 2 and 3.
the metaphor for the bull in short is that you have to take risks to gain
19:43 not just sweat. All bodily waste is recycled by the suit.
The guy watched the movie twice, and dont know how shield works, not paying atention
Yes, guns were invented and replaced swords, but then shields were invented and rendered guns pretty much useless, so it's back to swords (exept in situations were you don't have shields). 🤷♀️
While I understand the need to condense and/or leave out entirely elements of the story to make it work on the screen, I very much wish Denis Villeneuve had included more information on the Bene Gesserit and the Spacing Guild/Navigators. Their influence in that world and impact on it can't be overstated, and not having them in the movie more leaves viewers to be dismissive and inaccurate as in this reaction.
I don't think the Duke and the Baron were ACTUALLY cousins. I think it was more referring to the fact they're both nobility.
Salvo engano, o livro conta que eles são primos sim.....🤔
The bull killed Paul's grandfather. His last wish was to have the head mounted and displayed in his house.
Slow penetrates the shield.
you should read the children of
dune it completes the story.
Bro if ur gonna listen to dune Messiah then u gotta listen to children of dune as well it's the ending to all chacters introduced in dune dune Messiah. Messiah is an transition to children of dune listen to the first 3 books to understand Paul's story in complete. I love all 6 but if ur gonna stop after children of dune cause U won't be satisfied listening to only dune Messiah.. dune Messiah is a set up novel for children of dune. don't know why Denis Villeneuve stopping at dune Messiah it's open ended like a cliffhanger
Yes you can read only Dune if you want. I didn't get the impression that you were very interested in the books from watching this video... The rest of the books are even better, but they get weirder and weirder, and it really depends on WHAT drew you to Dune in the first place. It seems like each book turns off 1/2 of the remaining readers who decided to move forward, but they're some of the best works of literature ever written. If the book has in impact on you, keep reading... until it stops having new impacts on you, or it gets too strange for you.
53:09 "ele sacou uma arma"....hummm....Paul não sacou uma arma....ele tomou uma pistola maula do adversário e na sequencia dos eventos teve que devolver pra Stilgar....nos livros a pistola maula não parece ser uma uma arma de fogo porque disparo faz barulho...é mais como uma estilingue poderosa capaz de causar um estrago grande...como no deserto ninguém pode usar o escudo, a maula fica bastante eficiente....
Tell me you know nothing about Dune without telling me.
The Vladimir Harkonnen and Leto are NOT cousins. In fact, the Vladimir Hakonnen is basically Leto’s father in law. Not technically, as he and Jessica were never married.
Please tell Friend Star Wars was based on Dune, not the other way around.
I would recommend ready the first two books: Dune & Dune Messiah.
The other four by Frank Herbert are weird and not vital to the original story.
The 20+ from his son, Brian, are not worth it.
You need to read at least the first 3 books. Include "children of dune".
Get the biggest screen for Alex's reaction, would be a shame if not.
Star Wars is a cartoon 🤣🤣
19:44...."você sua, você bebe"......você sua, você mija, você caga, você bebe...
I think George Lucas gave us a rip off Walmart version of Dune with Star Wars after watching these movies
Shields make most guns useless