The Historicity of The Caste Conundrum In Bharat | N K Vaid |
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- "The Truth About Caste"; A fascinating new book by N K Vaid Ji. In reference to this book, one can be exposed to a new horizon of facts, as many windows will open up, that were closed shut due to the academic indoctrination we are forced into after independence. Our ancient books refer to "Varna" again and again meaning "to select", where everything whether animate or inanimate has a "Varna". What can it be interpreted as in the context of present times? or that of "Jaati"? Whether Varna birth-based or not? What is the result of this deliberately pushed caste-based politics to our society? How serious a problem is it? For some the answers to these questions, may prove to be food for thought, or for many addressing these problems may turn out to be definite answers.
About The Speaker:
Naresh Kumar Vaid is a renowned Anthropologist and has many books, journals, and articles under his name. Being the Director of Vaid’s ICS, He has been working passionately and relentlessly for the guidance of students preparing for Civil Services since 1984 and is the coach of many of the jewels of the nation today. He has even been the guide & mentor for many of the different subject experts for civil services coaching and has given them a platform and guidance for achieving their goals.
Topics Covered:
00:00 The True Meaning of The word ‘Varna’
01:02 The Inception of “The Truth About Caste’
03:14 The Real Meaning of ‘Varna’ And ‘Jaati’
10:38 The Lies And Manipulations of Leftist Historians
14:56 Whether Varna Birth Based or Not?
22:46 The Historic Unity Among Various Varnas in Bharat
25:06 The Dynamics of Power in The Colonial Era
28:18 Varna: A Product of The Darshan Based Tradition
35:21 Socio-Political Conundrum of Varn-Jaati
38:08 Importance of Spreading Awareness
41:22 When Knowledge-Based Varna Got Abolished
45:56 Conversion: A By-product of Caste Politics
48:39 The Revolution of The Meaning of ‘Sudra’
54:15 Importance of The Mother tongue
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This is the most needed topic in India at every nook and corner. It’s about time that we wake up and start reading real history instead of Bollywood , Biryani and Bakwas! Thank You 🙏
He's a great teacher , a practicing anthropologist with great command on the subject !
I'm glad that Sangam has presented him a chance to speak his mind ...
aaj dil tamanna puri ho gayi... waiting for long time to see vaid sir in sangam talks.. also thanks to sangam talks to bring vaid sir and provide an excellent platform to share his experiences .
Please ppl share this as much as possible to stop us getting more divided
This Video is going to be Blockbuster
The most open discussion on Varna I have ever seen
Happy to see brain tanks in HINDU LEGACY...& discussing cast system....
Hope the torch to enlighten Hinduisam be handed to next generations.
I’m born in Kshatriya family but I’m Shudra Varna. I’m working in community services that makes me Shudra by profession also. 🙏🙏🙏
Happy to see India’s top Anthropology faculty for UPSC standing for the TRUTH.
N k vaid and manusmriti is Really Great 👌💐😊
Welcome from Nepal
Ending with Great line "Hame Samaj aani Suru ho gyi hai, bhai"
Manusmriti pe apka kaam bahut sarahaniye hai,maine bahut video dekhe lekin kisi ko itni knowledge ni thi manusmriti pe, apki knowledge bahut next level hai , hats off
I have learned Anthropology option from him. A great teacher.
For the abrahamic religion Bharat is an unfinished business. It started with sword, now they are using pen. I agree our education system should be changed
Im born in kshatriya family but my janam patrika says my varna is brahmin, which had confused me entire life. Found a little clarity in this discussion, kudos! I wish this discussion becomes more mainstream and we rid ourselves of this manufactured savarna guilt.
Dont get in trap and feel culprit ,its all about creating perception between electorate for gaining power bt surely we need to know what is going on ,behind these what purposes they have .jay shree ram sis 🙏
jai shree ram @@nikhilpandey1338
Vo sab thik hai love marriage k chakkar me mt pdna..maa baap aur apni tino k involvement se var ka chayan krna 😂
So Caste is not by profession but by birth. So all the stories are told to confuse illiterates.
Caste system was invented and solidified by the British. We had the varna system based on the profession of the people.
In India it was possible to change
the varnas.
Majority of the kings including Chatrapati Sivaji and kings of Travancore were dalits. They became Kshatriya by a process known as HIRANYA GARBHA.
In 1921 people involved in adultery SMARTHA VICHARAM were changed to other Varna's by the kings of Cochin.
The Diwan Ramayyan Dalawa the minister of Marthanda Varma of Travancore downgraded Brahmins to other Varna's .
No caste is superior or inferior.
The BRAHMINS learned and propagated the Veda's,
KSHATRIYAS fought against enemies,
VISWAKARMAS made magnificent temples like Kailasa temple, Madhura Meenakshi Temple, Puri Jagannath Temple, beautiful palaces, Damascus steel, iron pillor of Delhi,
VAISHYAS did the trade,
SHUDRAS did the farming
sadar pranam
Excellent discussion! Very intriguing and eye opening conversation. It put to rest some of my own questions, confusion about thr caste system🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Superb. Chaar nahi paanch anti Hindu hain...Leftists,commuNists,Neo Buddhists,Islamic and Christuan or masihi..👍
Needed More Lecture Like This Thanks Sangam talks
Bahut sunder.eye oepning
Thanks for sharing sir 🎉🎉
Exactly the conclusion that i came to after studying our texts.
Very good discussion. It is mostly going on the thought process. Good necessities makes it so. The reality is quite different. Society needs all Varnas. In social activities- mostly discharge of social utilities matter. As far as Personal beliefs are concerned it is better to not to interfere. Wait for the mindset to evolve.
Thanks sir for the efforts. 😊
Rather than using the term "division" to present a negative perspective, the concept of distribution of responsibilities to perform tasks based on the natural capabilities and abilities of individuals might be a positive presentation of the reality of the times
Yes...also what the other gentleman said 'hereditary doesn't mean birth-based'...We shud reinvent such terms as were used in ancient times where such confusion and disturbances were clarified by our great sages...
Fruitful discussion
Healthy discussion...hope such sessions r conducted for class xi n xii and in colleges...
Pranams from student of sir!! Keep going sir, india needs anthropological perspective
Please ppl share this as much as possible to stop us getting more divided
बहुत ही सुन्दर जनकारी दी है साहब,
धन्यवाद
Vaid Sir is very well known, in fact only good faculty of Anthropology for UPSC preparation.
Great great work
Great
It's a very helpful clarity by Pandit Shatish ji Sharma by differentiating birth base and hereditary base ( social right).
Although, I think marrying selectively by Jati and gotra has genetic engineering of gene based transmission of problem, which has been neglected in our education discourse and assumed as a caste and untouchability problem.
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@@jyotivyas9286 modi ne unhe reward diya jo india ki chhawi sudhar rahe hain internationally... Is criteria me left aata hi nahi hai
interesting view, need to know more about this perspective, Sangam tlaks may do more videos on this.
It's going to hurt many unscientific people who go to religious gurus to learn about the jatis instead of going to anthropologists and sociologists.
Aka western leftists
@@namastehindustan9879 Both the leftists and so-called believers who think Jati and Varna are rigid societal orders
After this i understand that 'Varna' was actually a very profound system to determine what kind of journey a soul can have in this world but when the same concept is adopted in a very worldly sense it loses all its depth.
The concept remained for 'namesake' and got distorted.
It's a pity that people are asking questions without even reading the book.
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स्तय मेव जयते। 🇮🇳
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Vaid sir. Respect to you. After a long time I am seeing you after UPSC times 98. It is always inspiring to see you speaking with so much conviction .. but what a turn around 😂Sir
Nice explanation sir🙏
Ican understand Hindi.
I kindly request to put English/ local languages translation at the bottom, so that it can reach masses throughout India 🙏🙏🙏🙏
All public service should be reserved for sc and st. India
Varna is our spiritual orientation, the way each one of us is innately wired to seek the divine. In this temporal reality, it manifests as our aptitude and interests, and shapes the choices we make in life. It is our inner compass pointing to our true north.
Shudra word's first mention in Vedas is about referen to Mother Earth as shudra and it eulogies Mother Earth as the base or foundation of all life. When vaarna started forming, the idea was same: Shudras were those who did services that were foundation to human and all life forms. Shudra=the base or the foundation.
shudra duty is to serve upper 3 varnas not foundation to human and all life forms.you must be reading max muller version
Kindly include subtitles, so that it would be helpful to non hindi speaking people ,also, will get a chance to know the information which helps in transformation of thougth process.
From where this concept of purity comes in??? Why few Hindus are untouchables???
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The shankaracharya has been very clear in an interview with CNN IBN about the supremacy by birth. How is one to reconcile this orthodoxy view with all the new light on this contentious subject.
Shankaracharya ji is not an Anthropologist. He isn't a reserch scholar
Shankaracharya is not an avatar. He is a human with his own biases, we are free to disagree with him.
afterall he is human , neither we know his intention , shri adi shankaracharya accepted chandal as his guru we should learn from true adi shankaracharya
@@Soham216so he is chandal during adishankaras times.. an outcast right. This shows people were treated as outcasts in that era also. See the problem with current hindus In not owning the mistakes. Own the mistakes and perform solid actions to negate the discrimination that exists till today. Rather than wishful thinking that all was good in ancient times.
Hi team, thank you for putting this incredibly rich in content and knowledge video. Can’t thank you enough!! I request, if possible to add English subtitle to this video so we can educate our white friends. They have been brain washed by leftist and in the process we lost so many friends!!!
Ye baat puri k shankracharya ya anya logon ko kyun nhi samajh aati h kyunki padhna likhna h nhi. Jaati ka galat fayeda lekar baith gaye gaddi pe. Yogya toh h nhi.
Aam log jis dins hastra padh lenge toh unhe counter kar payenge aur tab woh iss ignorance ka fayada nahi utha payenge
They wont call him to speak on this topic .puri will do whole pol khol of this religion 😂😂
Hindu varna Theory is different from practical based. And it’s all about balance and imbalance. Colour means associated gunas
Honor killings in intercaste marriage is common in north india. Any birthbased system will create stifles.
Caste used by as a weapon by internal enemy and external enemy of our country.
Yeah Indian society was egalitarian and Dalits always enjoyed equal status. It’s only today that Dalits are facing atrocities in different parts of the country and not allowed in temples. Dr Ambedkar never faced anything.
Very profound thaught😊
in which era did dr ambedkar lived ? vedic age ? merely 100 years ago when many "so called" fake janm-jat brahmins wanted to remain supreme
Varna is both birth (like astrology) and choice.
It wasn't the British that corrupted the meaning of Varna. The main culprit for the corruption that created Caste was done by the Vaishnitites to create a class war and grow the cult. Farm workers come from the lower Varnas while cattlemen were mostly Kshatriya. So to hurt the Kshatriya in this class war Vaishnavism promoted vegetarianism.
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32:06 Soul taking birth in a particular family is previous karma but current gunas are formed due to previous karmas only.
So birthbased and hereditary are complementary when Karma comes as the basis... Then Sri Krishna's words have the traditional meaning
The alternative meaning given by Pandit ji on birthbased and hereditary based on gunas might fail at the time "weighing Shastric pramana"
Sorry, but there is no record that the continuation of same jati/ caste has been going on for the past 5 thousand years. The person who says such a thing is unscientific, and they even claim Maryada Purushottam Ram lived for 11 thousand years.
Entire discussion is bullshit all of them are bullshiting.
But previous life's Karmas are of one's on not of the family unit. But one is born in a family according to now distorted system of Jati and Varna . Your point is moot since even though the Gunas may be hereditary but hence Varna is also but only to the individual level not the family unit . So it's clear that a boy can be born in a Brahmin family but he may not have Gunas of Brahmin due to his deeds of past life.
The varna system is based on ability and not birth, so Ramnath Goyal had the ability to become president but not the ability to go to the temple and worship. India.
English translation please
Why the part of discussion over ramcharitmanas was edited out.. i really wished for an answer.. to reply the leftist in my day to day life
Can I get the pdf of this book or can you suggest me any website where I can read about real indian history and how it is manipulated by foreign invaders.
Is there any website from where I can download these kinds of books . Pls let me know.
During school days I believed what was taught is fact, but, I realize later it was incorrect and politically motivated. The true Indian history was never revealed. I hope this will change. Society differences is created just for political reasons.
Caste system was invented and solidified by the British. We had the varna system based on the profession of the people.
In India it was possible to change
the varnas.
Majority of the kings including Chatrapati Sivaji and kings of Travancore were dalits. They became Kshatriya by a process known as HIRANYA GARBHA.
In 1921 people involved in adultery SMARTHA VICHARAM were changed to other Varna's by the kings of Cochin.
The Diwan Ramayyan Dalawa the minister of Marthanda Varma of Travancore downgraded Brahmins to other Varna's .
No caste is superior or inferior.
The BRAHMINS learned and propagated the Veda's,
KSHATRIYAS fought against enemies,
VISWAKARMAS made magnificent temples like Kailasa temple, Madhura Meenakshi Temple, Puri Jagannath Temple, beautiful palaces, Damascus steel, iron pillor of Delhi,
VAISHYAS did the trade,
SHUDRAS did the farming
Mujhe mera warna mera वर्ण तो शुद्र है। पैदा ब्राह्मण में हुई
मुझे सच्चाई को स्वीकार कर लेना है 😮😅😅😢😢ओर चाहिए
ജന്മ ജാതജം ജാതി, വൃണോതി ഇതി വർണ്ണം.
I completely agree with you sir but in Himachal pradesh still S, T people are not allowed in temples even when it happen devta shakti came into a person and devta disagree and punish that person who entere that temple what about it plez explain
Jis din gurukul khulenge log shaastra khud padhenge yeh sab band ho jayega
Devta Shakti came into which person. The same person who entered the temple or somebody else watching the scene. See the basis of sanatana Dharma is that every human has Atman inside him , which is a spark of the paramatman. This means there is godliness in every human being. How can then an SC, ST, dalit (by birth)person be discriminated. You are going against the core understanding of sanatana Dharma .
Pls have an interview with the English man in blue shirt
Hello
This debate is baseless without a Arya samaji in the audience
Vedic education is a study of UNITY CONSCIOUSNESS
Varna sirf manush jaati ko seemit karna galat hai
Varna cheta aur achetana /jadapadardh mei bhi hota hai..Deva manush rakshasa aur samasta jaation mei hota hai
even among humans many/98% ko selfdetermination aur choice ka laxury nahi hai..kuch jantu/vriksha jaation mei bhi choice ho sakta ha
CHATURVARNAS, CHATURASHRAMAS,CHATURVIDHA PURUSHARDHAS,PUNARJANMA
is a complex and single system and none of them can be studied/understood in isolation
VARANA is a bogus creation...Varna is a proper Vedic term
For all practical purposes, JAATHI is correct in the context of human society
varna is possible only in a society of vedic educated society.
In the absence of Vedic education human society will degenerate into subhuman/animal society
Varna when linked with Dharma a series of Vamshas can and were crated and maintained in all social jaatis .Raghu Vamsham is a tretise on Dynasyic engineering..
Puranas explain Vamshas of all Varnas ... and this dynastic engineering is the ultimate achievement of self determination and choice
Jaati,Bhoga aur aayu karm ke phal roop mei punarjanma ka kaaran banta hai
My problem.is that a brahmans son or.daughter isa brhamin and so on and.so forth.for.othwr groups.
So if today its hereditary andmthat is the wrong part and there is no movement between the compartmements .
Heredity toh Constitution ne fix kiya uske liye msnusmriti kaise doshi hui hai
Sir ne baat acchi batayi lekin hinduo ke sabse bade guru shri shankaracharya bahaut baar bol chuke hain varn by birth hi hota hai ye mahashay jo bhi hain unse bade to nahin ho jayenge....to be honest I want ki ye jo bol rahe hain hum sab usko follow karein...lekin I know ye possible nahin hai chahe kuch ho jaye
taklu was twisting their statements with his interpretation, they were talking about society while he was forcefully inserting metaphysics to counter
if you ever see anyone encountering facts with metaphysical thoughts it's a red flag man is living in utopia
If Caste is a Portuguese word, why do we sticking to it.
We should abandon it like other things of Aakrantas.
So Portuguese are responsible for casteism which we follow now?
Remove reservation
But what about shankracharyas and other so called Dharmgurus who are followed by billions of Hindus and they are calling Hindu brothers as low birth and using most deregoratotry words against people of their own religion and creating division among Hindus.
Exactly my point why no body is talking about it...
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caste system brought here to devide us
In valmiki ramayana, Shambuka says that he is from shudra jathi .
This means that the jathi sampradaya was prevalent whern ramayana was composed !
Wrong!!
Then why untouchability still continues?
many unanswered questions. ask them what is papyoni
@@laughingbudha6847 You my friend and me people who ask rational questions we will be termed as paapyoni and ofcourse women
What exactly is the difference between jaati and tribe?
Nothing, really. N tribalism is there due to evolutionary biology. Some evolutionary advantages were there for groups so they survive
🤔 There will be no peace in Bharat If even a single copy of Quran book exists.
Veer Gopal Patha Ji 🙏 🚩
Ab kah do ki jo sant ravidas ne kha vo bhi galat h,, 😅😅😅😅
kya kaha tha ?
@@Soham216 tumhe nhi pta kya🤣🤣
@@chaismanahi
@@Soham216 ok fir koi fayda nhi btane ka,,,,jao padhai kro
This fellow wants to throw blame on British for creation of SUDRAS. WHile this caste division was there since vedic period, Manu period etc. infact britishers encouraged education for dalits and women
It is the British who outlawed, cheated many honest indigenous people by various means, forcing them out of community land, forest land, agricultural lands for their own benefit. They classied people into SCs and STs. They looted natural and forest wealth and ruined indigenous industries. There was no such list before European colonists set their filthy foot across the world and particularly India. This is a fact.
They themselves reported literacy rate was too high when they arrived,(Brahmans hv always been minority)....they distorted education.... misinterpreted our texts....even sati system was not prevalent as they quoted, there's very few references of sati
Dude, they ruled our generations generated, how u think today is the product of their divisive ideology ........they were way more smart than u think
vedic period ? kuch bhi , middle ages and late middle ages bolna he kya aapko ?
@@Soham216 purusha suktham in Vedas contain the details of Varna system and this has become a base for origin of many castes subsqurntly.
The Manu sastram not only talks on caste and also various discriminatory practices between men and between men and women.
Many of us made to believe that Britishers divided our people into castes. Britishers invaded and ruled almost all parts of the world but they have not introduced castes in other countries. They looted the wealth ,they discriminated against people and they suppressed them under their colonial rule. The caste system badly divided our people , developed hierarchy, oppression& suppression , created disunity and mistrust among nationals which are the main reasons for our backwardness.
@@vippartissir many shlokas were added later in our scriptures by britishers, this is what Nk vaid sir is saying, he has given many examples proving this. By the way i am his anthro student ❤
Culture of surnames came during invasions and colonization otherwise we would have shri Ram Singh, Krishna yadav raven chaturvedi, sabri adivasi, valmiki nisat etc. So Bharat culture was totally free of political narrative. It was colonial tactic to divide and enjoy cock fight.. Baba sahib and congress association gave constitution stamped colonial intrests in Bharat..
What faltu discussion.
This guy is not fit to come in sangam talk .This platform has great reputation so avoid such mediocre
Why he is not fit? If you are having better argument, put that argument but who u are to decide wheather he is fit or unfit.
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