This is the most needed topic in India at every nook and corner. It’s about time that we wake up and start reading real history instead of Bollywood , Biryani and Bakwas! Thank You 🙏
He's a great teacher , a practicing anthropologist with great command on the subject ! I'm glad that Sangam has presented him a chance to speak his mind ...
aaj dil tamanna puri ho gayi... waiting for long time to see vaid sir in sangam talks.. also thanks to sangam talks to bring vaid sir and provide an excellent platform to share his experiences .
मैने इस video के ऊपर बहुत विस्तार से एक एक प्वाइंट पे विस्तार से कॉमेंट किया था किंतु मेरा कॉमेंट कही दिख नही रहा है मेरा आवाज दबाया जा रहा है यह चैनल अच्छा नही है
Manusmriti pe apka kaam bahut sarahaniye hai,maine bahut video dekhe lekin kisi ko itni knowledge ni thi manusmriti pe, apki knowledge bahut next level hai , hats off
I have no doubt that the writers and the audience are well read / informed about the Vedas, Upanishads etc etc but I feel we have a Sampradaya running down from Guru Adi Shankaracharya and many of the current Guruji’s from any one of the institutions eg Ramankrishna mission, Chinmayanand mission, Swami Dayanand Saraswatiji’s Arsh vidhya etc can explain all these. And I think it is those Guru’s who should be confirming these kind of issues.
For the abrahamic religion Bharat is an unfinished business. It started with sword, now they are using pen. I agree our education system should be changed
Read the book 'The Untouchables' by Dr. B.R.Ambedkar. He says in it that Brahmins did not want to associate with the untouchables because they ate beef that was considered sacred by the Brahmins.
Yeah Indian society was egalitarian and Dalits always enjoyed equal status. It’s only today that Dalits are facing atrocities in different parts of the country and not allowed in temples. Dr Ambedkar never faced anything.
Rather than using the term "division" to present a negative perspective, the concept of distribution of responsibilities to perform tasks based on the natural capabilities and abilities of individuals might be a positive presentation of the reality of the times
Yes...also what the other gentleman said 'hereditary doesn't mean birth-based'...We shud reinvent such terms as were used in ancient times where such confusion and disturbances were clarified by our great sages...
It's a very helpful clarity by Pandit Shatish ji Sharma by differentiating birth base and hereditary base ( social right). Although, I think marrying selectively by Jati and gotra has genetic engineering of gene based transmission of problem, which has been neglected in our education discourse and assumed as a caste and untouchability problem.
Best part about the caste system is that it was never rigid till the time of arab invasion people could choose whatever profession they wish to choose for eg a bhraman could become kshatriya if he could develope such traits.
During school days I believed what was taught is fact, but, I realize later it was incorrect and politically motivated. The true Indian history was never revealed. I hope this will change. Society differences is created just for political reasons.
The shankaracharya has been very clear in an interview with CNN IBN about the supremacy by birth. How is one to reconcile this orthodoxy view with all the new light on this contentious subject.
afterall he is human , neither we know his intention , shri adi shankaracharya accepted chandal as his guru we should learn from true adi shankaracharya
Im born in kshatriya family but my janam patrika says my varna is brahmin, which had confused me entire life. Found a little clarity in this discussion, kudos! I wish this discussion becomes more mainstream and we rid ourselves of this manufactured savarna guilt.
Dont get in trap and feel culprit ,its all about creating perception between electorate for gaining power bt surely we need to know what is going on ,behind these what purposes they have .jay shree ram sis 🙏
Caste system was invented and solidified by the British. We had the varna system based on the profession of the people. In India it was possible to change the varnas. Majority of the kings including Chatrapati Sivaji and kings of Travancore were dalits. They became Kshatriya by a process known as HIRANYA GARBHA. In 1921 people involved in adultery SMARTHA VICHARAM were changed to other Varna's by the kings of Cochin. The Diwan Ramayyan Dalawa the minister of Marthanda Varma of Travancore downgraded Brahmins to other Varna's . No caste is superior or inferior. The BRAHMINS learned and propagated the Veda's, KSHATRIYAS fought against enemies, VISWAKARMAS made magnificent temples like Kailasa temple, Madhura Meenakshi Temple, Puri Jagannath Temple, beautiful palaces, Damascus steel, iron pillor of Delhi, VAISHYAS did the trade, SHUDRAS did the farming
After this i understand that 'Varna' was actually a very profound system to determine what kind of journey a soul can have in this world but when the same concept is adopted in a very worldly sense it loses all its depth. The concept remained for 'namesake' and got distorted.
We are doing the same through these intellectual discussions, what Islamic intellectuals do to defend problematic aspects of Sharia. Go on and go on about 4 witnesses, how hard it is to prove, etc., etc., but never directly say, the punishment itself is problematic. It is the same thing we are doing. trying to prove what it was meant to be, after the oppression has already happened and damage is done. We need to own our mistakes, otherwise be ready for total dissolution of your beloved Sanatan (mine too, but I'll choose the sanest path ultimately). We cannot run from the fact that Varna is meant to be both birth based , and guna and Karma based. Because of your past life's karma, you are born in the jaati of a Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, or Shudra. Now (as per staunch Sanatani principles), after birth, you need to diligently perform your varna duties as per your jaati, and strictly stay within that to avoid those stupidly feared outcomes of varna sankranti and karma sankranti. Basically, because of your past karma, you are born as a shudra. Then you are expected to take up jobs assigned for your types, say garbage cleaning. So a garbage cleaner is needed to striclty stay a garbage cleaner, and perform his duties diligently to attain moksha. Notice, his condition is already considered justified, and his birth is already judged on the basis of the concept of past life's karma. However true this phenomenon can be (assuming consciousness indeed passes from one life to the next), you cannot deny that it lacks empathy. We can do better than leaving it as it is. We can think about creating a system to give shudras equal shot at both enlightenment and glory. It is because of this birth based judgement, supported by our fragile male ego, we found it extremely audacious on the part of a shudra to dream about marrying a higher caste girl. Then there's the even more problematic pratilom/anumlom child concept. If you guys (my fellow countrymen) don't want a total dissolution of Hinduism, just discard these, or try building a better system. Otherwise get ready for extinction.
Can I get the pdf of this book or can you suggest me any website where I can read about real indian history and how it is manipulated by foreign invaders.
Very good discussion. It is mostly going on the thought process. Good necessities makes it so. The reality is quite different. Society needs all Varnas. In social activities- mostly discharge of social utilities matter. As far as Personal beliefs are concerned it is better to not to interfere. Wait for the mindset to evolve.
Caste maybe a Portuguese word which is naturalised in English which describes the jati pratha. Varna was changeable in Vedic era but with the coming of Kali Yuga, the stratified Varna is jati. But in practice untouchability is based on birth. You cannot run away from the truth. Now don't tell me the British started caste system.
Vaid sir. Respect to you. After a long time I am seeing you after UPSC times 98. It is always inspiring to see you speaking with so much conviction .. but what a turn around 😂Sir
Shudra word's first mention in Vedas is about referen to Mother Earth as shudra and it eulogies Mother Earth as the base or foundation of all life. When vaarna started forming, the idea was same: Shudras were those who did services that were foundation to human and all life forms. Shudra=the base or the foundation.
If Caste is a Portuguese word, why do we sticking to it. We should abandon it like other things of Aakrantas. So Portuguese are responsible for casteism which we follow now?
Varna is our spiritual orientation, the way each one of us is innately wired to seek the divine. In this temporal reality, it manifests as our aptitude and interests, and shapes the choices we make in life. It is our inner compass pointing to our true north.
Please release entire video and do another video or video series with N.K. Vaidya along with meenakshi jain and other historians as well Or arrange debate with some hardcore leftist also especially historian
Ye baat puri k shankracharya ya anya logon ko kyun nhi samajh aati h kyunki padhna likhna h nhi. Jaati ka galat fayeda lekar baith gaye gaddi pe. Yogya toh h nhi.
Nice explanation sir🙏 Ican understand Hindi. I kindly request to put English/ local languages translation at the bottom, so that it can reach masses throughout India 🙏🙏🙏🙏
My problem.is that a brahmans son or.daughter isa brhamin and so on and.so forth.for.othwr groups. So if today its hereditary andmthat is the wrong part and there is no movement between the compartmements .
32:06 Soul taking birth in a particular family is previous karma but current gunas are formed due to previous karmas only. So birthbased and hereditary are complementary when Karma comes as the basis... Then Sri Krishna's words have the traditional meaning The alternative meaning given by Pandit ji on birthbased and hereditary based on gunas might fail at the time "weighing Shastric pramana"
Sorry, but there is no record that the continuation of same jati/ caste has been going on for the past 5 thousand years. The person who says such a thing is unscientific, and they even claim Maryada Purushottam Ram lived for 11 thousand years.
But previous life's Karmas are of one's on not of the family unit. But one is born in a family according to now distorted system of Jati and Varna . Your point is moot since even though the Gunas may be hereditary but hence Varna is also but only to the individual level not the family unit . So it's clear that a boy can be born in a Brahmin family but he may not have Gunas of Brahmin due to his deeds of past life.
Hi team, thank you for putting this incredibly rich in content and knowledge video. Can’t thank you enough!! I request, if possible to add English subtitle to this video so we can educate our white friends. They have been brain washed by leftist and in the process we lost so many friends!!!
I completely agree with you sir but in Himachal pradesh still S, T people are not allowed in temples even when it happen devta shakti came into a person and devta disagree and punish that person who entere that temple what about it plez explain
But what about shankracharyas and other so called Dharmgurus who are followed by billions of Hindus and they are calling Hindu brothers as low birth and using most deregoratotry words against people of their own religion and creating division among Hindus.
Kindly include subtitles, so that it would be helpful to non hindi speaking people ,also, will get a chance to know the information which helps in transformation of thougth process.
Vedic education is a study of UNITY CONSCIOUSNESS Varna sirf manush jaati ko seemit karna galat hai Varna cheta aur achetana /jadapadardh mei bhi hota hai..Deva manush rakshasa aur samasta jaation mei hota hai even among humans many/98% ko selfdetermination aur choice ka laxury nahi hai..kuch jantu/vriksha jaation mei bhi choice ho sakta ha CHATURVARNAS, CHATURASHRAMAS,CHATURVIDHA PURUSHARDHAS,PUNARJANMA is a complex and single system and none of them can be studied/understood in isolation VARANA is a bogus creation...Varna is a proper Vedic term For all practical purposes, JAATHI is correct in the context of human society varna is possible only in a society of vedic educated society. In the absence of Vedic education human society will degenerate into subhuman/animal society Varna when linked with Dharma a series of Vamshas can and were crated and maintained in all social jaatis .Raghu Vamsham is a tretise on Dynasyic engineering.. Puranas explain Vamshas of all Varnas ... and this dynastic engineering is the ultimate achievement of self determination and choice Jaati,Bhoga aur aayu karm ke phal roop mei punarjanma ka kaaran banta hai
taklu was twisting their statements with his interpretation, they were talking about society while he was forcefully inserting metaphysics to counter if you ever see anyone encountering facts with metaphysical thoughts it's a red flag man is living in utopia
This fellow wants to throw blame on British for creation of SUDRAS. WHile this caste division was there since vedic period, Manu period etc. infact britishers encouraged education for dalits and women
It is the British who outlawed, cheated many honest indigenous people by various means, forcing them out of community land, forest land, agricultural lands for their own benefit. They classied people into SCs and STs. They looted natural and forest wealth and ruined indigenous industries. There was no such list before European colonists set their filthy foot across the world and particularly India. This is a fact.
They themselves reported literacy rate was too high when they arrived,(Brahmans hv always been minority)....they distorted education.... misinterpreted our texts....even sati system was not prevalent as they quoted, there's very few references of sati Dude, they ruled our generations generated, how u think today is the product of their divisive ideology ........they were way more smart than u think
@@Soham216 purusha suktham in Vedas contain the details of Varna system and this has become a base for origin of many castes subsqurntly. The Manu sastram not only talks on caste and also various discriminatory practices between men and between men and women. Many of us made to believe that Britishers divided our people into castes. Britishers invaded and ruled almost all parts of the world but they have not introduced castes in other countries. They looted the wealth ,they discriminated against people and they suppressed them under their colonial rule. The caste system badly divided our people , developed hierarchy, oppression& suppression , created disunity and mistrust among nationals which are the main reasons for our backwardness.
@@vippartissir many shlokas were added later in our scriptures by britishers, this is what Nk vaid sir is saying, he has given many examples proving this. By the way i am his anthro student ❤
Varna is both birth (like astrology) and choice. It wasn't the British that corrupted the meaning of Varna. The main culprit for the corruption that created Caste was done by the Vaishnitites to create a class war and grow the cult. Farm workers come from the lower Varnas while cattlemen were mostly Kshatriya. So to hurt the Kshatriya in this class war Vaishnavism promoted vegetarianism.
Caste system was invented and solidified by the British. We had the varna system based on the profession of the people. In India it was possible to change the varnas. Majority of the kings including Chatrapati Sivaji and kings of Travancore were dalits. They became Kshatriya by a process known as HIRANYA GARBHA. In 1921 people involved in adultery SMARTHA VICHARAM were changed to other Varna's by the kings of Cochin. The Diwan Ramayyan Dalawa the minister of Marthanda Varma of Travancore downgraded Brahmins to other Varna's . No caste is superior or inferior. The BRAHMINS learned and propagated the Veda's, KSHATRIYAS fought against enemies, VISWAKARMAS made magnificent temples like Kailasa temple, Madhura Meenakshi Temple, Puri Jagannath Temple, beautiful palaces, Damascus steel, iron pillor of Delhi, VAISHYAS did the trade, SHUDRAS did the farming
The varna system is based on ability and not birth, so Ramnath Goyal had the ability to become president but not the ability to go to the temple and worship. India.
Sir ne baat acchi batayi lekin hinduo ke sabse bade guru shri shankaracharya bahaut baar bol chuke hain varn by birth hi hota hai ye mahashay jo bhi hain unse bade to nahin ho jayenge....to be honest I want ki ye jo bol rahe hain hum sab usko follow karein...lekin I know ye possible nahin hai chahe kuch ho jaye
Culture of surnames came during invasions and colonization otherwise we would have shri Ram Singh, Krishna yadav raven chaturvedi, sabri adivasi, valmiki nisat etc. So Bharat culture was totally free of political narrative. It was colonial tactic to divide and enjoy cock fight.. Baba sahib and congress association gave constitution stamped colonial intrests in Bharat..
What exactly is the difference between jaati and tribe? Nothing, really. N tribalism is there due to evolutionary biology. Some evolutionary advantages were there for groups so they survive
This is the most needed topic in India at every nook and corner. It’s about time that we wake up and start reading real history instead of Bollywood , Biryani and Bakwas! Thank You 🙏
This Video is going to be Blockbuster
The most open discussion on Varna I have ever seen
Varna nai varana system
He's a great teacher , a practicing anthropologist with great command on the subject !
I'm glad that Sangam has presented him a chance to speak his mind ...
Happy to see India’s top Anthropology faculty for UPSC standing for the TRUTH.
aaj dil tamanna puri ho gayi... waiting for long time to see vaid sir in sangam talks.. also thanks to sangam talks to bring vaid sir and provide an excellent platform to share his experiences .
Please ppl share this as much as possible to stop us getting more divided
Welcome from Nepal
Ending with Great line "Hame Samaj aani Suru ho gyi hai, bhai"
मैने इस video के ऊपर बहुत विस्तार से एक एक प्वाइंट पे विस्तार से कॉमेंट किया था किंतु मेरा कॉमेंट कही दिख नही रहा है मेरा आवाज दबाया जा रहा है यह चैनल अच्छा नही है
sadar pranam
Excellent discussion! Very intriguing and eye opening conversation. It put to rest some of my own questions, confusion about thr caste system🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
बहुत ही सुन्दर जनकारी दी है साहब,
धन्यवाद
Manusmriti pe apka kaam bahut sarahaniye hai,maine bahut video dekhe lekin kisi ko itni knowledge ni thi manusmriti pe, apki knowledge bahut next level hai , hats off
I have learned Anthropology option from him. A great teacher.
I have no doubt that the writers and the audience are well read / informed about the Vedas, Upanishads etc etc but I feel we have a Sampradaya running down from Guru Adi Shankaracharya and many of the current Guruji’s from any one of the institutions eg Ramankrishna mission, Chinmayanand mission, Swami Dayanand Saraswatiji’s Arsh vidhya etc can explain all these. And I think it is those Guru’s who should be confirming these kind of issues.
N k vaid and manusmriti is Really Great 👌💐😊
Bahut sunder.eye oepning
Exactly the conclusion that i came to after studying our texts.
It's going to hurt many unscientific people who go to religious gurus to learn about the jatis instead of going to anthropologists and sociologists.
Aka western leftists
@@namastehindustan9879 Both the leftists and so-called believers who think Jati and Varna are rigid societal orders
Pranams from student of sir!! Keep going sir, india needs anthropological perspective
I’m born in Kshatriya family but I’m Shudra Varna. I’m working in community services that makes me Shudra by profession also. 🙏🙏🙏
Please ppl share this as much as possible to stop us getting more divided
For the abrahamic religion Bharat is an unfinished business. It started with sword, now they are using pen. I agree our education system should be changed
Needed More Lecture Like This Thanks Sangam talks
I will buy the book and distribute the same among friends.
Healthy discussion...hope such sessions r conducted for class xi n xii and in colleges...
From where this concept of purity comes in??? Why few Hindus are untouchables???
Read the book 'The Untouchables' by Dr. B.R.Ambedkar. He says in it that Brahmins did not want to associate with the untouchables because they ate beef that was considered sacred by the Brahmins.
Yeah Indian society was egalitarian and Dalits always enjoyed equal status. It’s only today that Dalits are facing atrocities in different parts of the country and not allowed in temples. Dr Ambedkar never faced anything.
Very profound thaught😊
in which era did dr ambedkar lived ? vedic age ? merely 100 years ago when many "so called" fake janm-jat brahmins wanted to remain supreme
Great great work
Fruitful discussion
Honor killings in intercaste marriage is common in north india. Any birthbased system will create stifles.
Thanks for sharing sir 🎉🎉
Very good analysis ❤❤❤❤
Thanks sir for the efforts. 😊
स्तय मेव जयते। 🇮🇳
interesting view, need to know more about this perspective, Sangam tlaks may do more videos on this.
Rather than using the term "division" to present a negative perspective, the concept of distribution of responsibilities to perform tasks based on the natural capabilities and abilities of individuals might be a positive presentation of the reality of the times
Yes...also what the other gentleman said 'hereditary doesn't mean birth-based'...We shud reinvent such terms as were used in ancient times where such confusion and disturbances were clarified by our great sages...
It's a very helpful clarity by Pandit Shatish ji Sharma by differentiating birth base and hereditary base ( social right).
Although, I think marrying selectively by Jati and gotra has genetic engineering of gene based transmission of problem, which has been neglected in our education discourse and assumed as a caste and untouchability problem.
Great
Best part about the caste system is that it was never rigid till the time of arab invasion people could choose whatever profession they wish to choose for eg a bhraman could become kshatriya if he could develope such traits.
Caste used by as a weapon by internal enemy and external enemy of our country.
It's a pity that people are asking questions without even reading the book.
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During school days I believed what was taught is fact, but, I realize later it was incorrect and politically motivated. The true Indian history was never revealed. I hope this will change. Society differences is created just for political reasons.
The shankaracharya has been very clear in an interview with CNN IBN about the supremacy by birth. How is one to reconcile this orthodoxy view with all the new light on this contentious subject.
Shankaracharya ji is not an Anthropologist. He isn't a reserch scholar
Shankaracharya is not an avatar. He is a human with his own biases, we are free to disagree with him.
afterall he is human , neither we know his intention , shri adi shankaracharya accepted chandal as his guru we should learn from true adi shankaracharya
Superb. Chaar nahi paanch anti Hindu hain...Leftists,commuNists,Neo Buddhists,Islamic and Christuan or masihi..👍
Im born in kshatriya family but my janam patrika says my varna is brahmin, which had confused me entire life. Found a little clarity in this discussion, kudos! I wish this discussion becomes more mainstream and we rid ourselves of this manufactured savarna guilt.
Dont get in trap and feel culprit ,its all about creating perception between electorate for gaining power bt surely we need to know what is going on ,behind these what purposes they have .jay shree ram sis 🙏
jai shree ram @@nikhilpandey1338
Vo sab thik hai love marriage k chakkar me mt pdna..maa baap aur apni tino k involvement se var ka chayan krna 😂
So Caste is not by profession but by birth. So all the stories are told to confuse illiterates.
Caste system was invented and solidified by the British. We had the varna system based on the profession of the people.
In India it was possible to change
the varnas.
Majority of the kings including Chatrapati Sivaji and kings of Travancore were dalits. They became Kshatriya by a process known as HIRANYA GARBHA.
In 1921 people involved in adultery SMARTHA VICHARAM were changed to other Varna's by the kings of Cochin.
The Diwan Ramayyan Dalawa the minister of Marthanda Varma of Travancore downgraded Brahmins to other Varna's .
No caste is superior or inferior.
The BRAHMINS learned and propagated the Veda's,
KSHATRIYAS fought against enemies,
VISWAKARMAS made magnificent temples like Kailasa temple, Madhura Meenakshi Temple, Puri Jagannath Temple, beautiful palaces, Damascus steel, iron pillor of Delhi,
VAISHYAS did the trade,
SHUDRAS did the farming
After this i understand that 'Varna' was actually a very profound system to determine what kind of journey a soul can have in this world but when the same concept is adopted in a very worldly sense it loses all its depth.
The concept remained for 'namesake' and got distorted.
Vaid Sir is very well known, in fact only good faculty of Anthropology for UPSC preparation.
Happy to see brain tanks in HINDU LEGACY...& discussing cast system....
Hope the torch to enlighten Hinduisam be handed to next generations.
We are doing the same through these intellectual discussions, what Islamic intellectuals do to defend problematic aspects of Sharia. Go on and go on about 4 witnesses, how hard it is to prove, etc., etc., but never directly say, the punishment itself is problematic. It is the same thing we are doing. trying to prove what it was meant to be, after the oppression has already happened and damage is done. We need to own our mistakes, otherwise be ready for total dissolution of your beloved Sanatan (mine too, but I'll choose the sanest path ultimately).
We cannot run from the fact that Varna is meant to be both birth based , and guna and Karma based. Because of your past life's karma, you are born in the jaati of a Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, or Shudra. Now (as per staunch Sanatani principles), after birth, you need to diligently perform your varna duties as per your jaati, and strictly stay within that to avoid those stupidly feared outcomes of varna sankranti and karma sankranti.
Basically, because of your past karma, you are born as a shudra. Then you are expected to take up jobs assigned for your types, say garbage cleaning. So a garbage cleaner is needed to striclty stay a garbage cleaner, and perform his duties diligently to attain moksha.
Notice, his condition is already considered justified, and his birth is already judged on the basis of the concept of past life's karma. However true this phenomenon can be (assuming consciousness indeed passes from one life to the next), you cannot deny that it lacks empathy. We can do better than leaving it as it is. We can think about creating a system to give shudras equal shot at both enlightenment and glory. It is because of this birth based judgement, supported by our fragile male ego, we found it extremely audacious on the part of a shudra to dream about marrying a higher caste girl. Then there's the even more problematic pratilom/anumlom child concept.
If you guys (my fellow countrymen) don't want a total dissolution of Hinduism, just discard these, or try building a better system. Otherwise get ready for extinction.
Can I get the pdf of this book or can you suggest me any website where I can read about real indian history and how it is manipulated by foreign invaders.
Is there any website from where I can download these kinds of books . Pls let me know.
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Very good discussion. It is mostly going on the thought process. Good necessities makes it so. The reality is quite different. Society needs all Varnas. In social activities- mostly discharge of social utilities matter. As far as Personal beliefs are concerned it is better to not to interfere. Wait for the mindset to evolve.
Caste maybe a Portuguese word which is naturalised in English which describes the jati pratha. Varna was changeable in Vedic era but with the coming of Kali Yuga, the stratified Varna is jati. But in practice untouchability is based on birth. You cannot run away from the truth. Now don't tell me the British started caste system.
Wrong!!
Then why untouchability still continues?
many unanswered questions. ask them what is papyoni
@@laughingbudha6847 You my friend and me people who ask rational questions we will be termed as paapyoni and ofcourse women
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ജന്മ ജാതജം ജാതി, വൃണോതി ഇതി വർണ്ണം.
Vaid sir. Respect to you. After a long time I am seeing you after UPSC times 98. It is always inspiring to see you speaking with so much conviction .. but what a turn around 😂Sir
This debate is baseless without a Arya samaji in the audience
Astrology ( stars ) decides the Varna.
Shudra word's first mention in Vedas is about referen to Mother Earth as shudra and it eulogies Mother Earth as the base or foundation of all life. When vaarna started forming, the idea was same: Shudras were those who did services that were foundation to human and all life forms. Shudra=the base or the foundation.
shudra duty is to serve upper 3 varnas not foundation to human and all life forms.you must be reading max muller version
If Caste is a Portuguese word, why do we sticking to it.
We should abandon it like other things of Aakrantas.
So Portuguese are responsible for casteism which we follow now?
Varna is our spiritual orientation, the way each one of us is innately wired to seek the divine. In this temporal reality, it manifests as our aptitude and interests, and shapes the choices we make in life. It is our inner compass pointing to our true north.
Pls have an interview with the English man in blue shirt
Please release entire video and do another video or video series with N.K. Vaidya along with meenakshi jain and other historians as well
Or arrange debate with some hardcore leftist also especially historian
Ye baat puri k shankracharya ya anya logon ko kyun nhi samajh aati h kyunki padhna likhna h nhi. Jaati ka galat fayeda lekar baith gaye gaddi pe. Yogya toh h nhi.
Aam log jis dins hastra padh lenge toh unhe counter kar payenge aur tab woh iss ignorance ka fayada nahi utha payenge
They wont call him to speak on this topic .puri will do whole pol khol of this religion 😂😂
Hello
If ur Varna in kundli is shudra but born in Brahmin family are you allowed to be an Archaka??
Why the part of discussion over ramcharitmanas was edited out.. i really wished for an answer.. to reply the leftist in my day to day life
Nice explanation sir🙏
Ican understand Hindi.
I kindly request to put English/ local languages translation at the bottom, so that it can reach masses throughout India 🙏🙏🙏🙏
My problem.is that a brahmans son or.daughter isa brhamin and so on and.so forth.for.othwr groups.
So if today its hereditary andmthat is the wrong part and there is no movement between the compartmements .
Heredity toh Constitution ne fix kiya uske liye msnusmriti kaise doshi hui hai
English translation please
caste system brought here to devide us
In valmiki ramayana, Shambuka says that he is from shudra jathi .
This means that the jathi sampradaya was prevalent whern ramayana was composed !
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32:06 Soul taking birth in a particular family is previous karma but current gunas are formed due to previous karmas only.
So birthbased and hereditary are complementary when Karma comes as the basis... Then Sri Krishna's words have the traditional meaning
The alternative meaning given by Pandit ji on birthbased and hereditary based on gunas might fail at the time "weighing Shastric pramana"
Sorry, but there is no record that the continuation of same jati/ caste has been going on for the past 5 thousand years. The person who says such a thing is unscientific, and they even claim Maryada Purushottam Ram lived for 11 thousand years.
Entire discussion is bullshit all of them are bullshiting.
But previous life's Karmas are of one's on not of the family unit. But one is born in a family according to now distorted system of Jati and Varna . Your point is moot since even though the Gunas may be hereditary but hence Varna is also but only to the individual level not the family unit . So it's clear that a boy can be born in a Brahmin family but he may not have Gunas of Brahmin due to his deeds of past life.
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Mujhe mera warna mera वर्ण तो शुद्र है। पैदा ब्राह्मण में हुई
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I completely agree with you sir but in Himachal pradesh still S, T people are not allowed in temples even when it happen devta shakti came into a person and devta disagree and punish that person who entere that temple what about it plez explain
Jis din gurukul khulenge log shaastra khud padhenge yeh sab band ho jayega
But what about shankracharyas and other so called Dharmgurus who are followed by billions of Hindus and they are calling Hindu brothers as low birth and using most deregoratotry words against people of their own religion and creating division among Hindus.
Exactly my point why no body is talking about it...
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Kindly include subtitles, so that it would be helpful to non hindi speaking people ,also, will get a chance to know the information which helps in transformation of thougth process.
Vedic education is a study of UNITY CONSCIOUSNESS
Varna sirf manush jaati ko seemit karna galat hai
Varna cheta aur achetana /jadapadardh mei bhi hota hai..Deva manush rakshasa aur samasta jaation mei hota hai
even among humans many/98% ko selfdetermination aur choice ka laxury nahi hai..kuch jantu/vriksha jaation mei bhi choice ho sakta ha
CHATURVARNAS, CHATURASHRAMAS,CHATURVIDHA PURUSHARDHAS,PUNARJANMA
is a complex and single system and none of them can be studied/understood in isolation
VARANA is a bogus creation...Varna is a proper Vedic term
For all practical purposes, JAATHI is correct in the context of human society
varna is possible only in a society of vedic educated society.
In the absence of Vedic education human society will degenerate into subhuman/animal society
Varna when linked with Dharma a series of Vamshas can and were crated and maintained in all social jaatis .Raghu Vamsham is a tretise on Dynasyic engineering..
Puranas explain Vamshas of all Varnas ... and this dynastic engineering is the ultimate achievement of self determination and choice
Jaati,Bhoga aur aayu karm ke phal roop mei punarjanma ka kaaran banta hai
taklu was twisting their statements with his interpretation, they were talking about society while he was forcefully inserting metaphysics to counter
if you ever see anyone encountering facts with metaphysical thoughts it's a red flag man is living in utopia
Hindu varna Theory is different from practical based. And it’s all about balance and imbalance. Colour means associated gunas
This fellow wants to throw blame on British for creation of SUDRAS. WHile this caste division was there since vedic period, Manu period etc. infact britishers encouraged education for dalits and women
It is the British who outlawed, cheated many honest indigenous people by various means, forcing them out of community land, forest land, agricultural lands for their own benefit. They classied people into SCs and STs. They looted natural and forest wealth and ruined indigenous industries. There was no such list before European colonists set their filthy foot across the world and particularly India. This is a fact.
They themselves reported literacy rate was too high when they arrived,(Brahmans hv always been minority)....they distorted education.... misinterpreted our texts....even sati system was not prevalent as they quoted, there's very few references of sati
Dude, they ruled our generations generated, how u think today is the product of their divisive ideology ........they were way more smart than u think
vedic period ? kuch bhi , middle ages and late middle ages bolna he kya aapko ?
@@Soham216 purusha suktham in Vedas contain the details of Varna system and this has become a base for origin of many castes subsqurntly.
The Manu sastram not only talks on caste and also various discriminatory practices between men and between men and women.
Many of us made to believe that Britishers divided our people into castes. Britishers invaded and ruled almost all parts of the world but they have not introduced castes in other countries. They looted the wealth ,they discriminated against people and they suppressed them under their colonial rule. The caste system badly divided our people , developed hierarchy, oppression& suppression , created disunity and mistrust among nationals which are the main reasons for our backwardness.
@@vippartissir many shlokas were added later in our scriptures by britishers, this is what Nk vaid sir is saying, he has given many examples proving this. By the way i am his anthro student ❤
Varna is both birth (like astrology) and choice.
It wasn't the British that corrupted the meaning of Varna. The main culprit for the corruption that created Caste was done by the Vaishnitites to create a class war and grow the cult. Farm workers come from the lower Varnas while cattlemen were mostly Kshatriya. So to hurt the Kshatriya in this class war Vaishnavism promoted vegetarianism.
Caste system was invented and solidified by the British. We had the varna system based on the profession of the people.
In India it was possible to change
the varnas.
Majority of the kings including Chatrapati Sivaji and kings of Travancore were dalits. They became Kshatriya by a process known as HIRANYA GARBHA.
In 1921 people involved in adultery SMARTHA VICHARAM were changed to other Varna's by the kings of Cochin.
The Diwan Ramayyan Dalawa the minister of Marthanda Varma of Travancore downgraded Brahmins to other Varna's .
No caste is superior or inferior.
The BRAHMINS learned and propagated the Veda's,
KSHATRIYAS fought against enemies,
VISWAKARMAS made magnificent temples like Kailasa temple, Madhura Meenakshi Temple, Puri Jagannath Temple, beautiful palaces, Damascus steel, iron pillor of Delhi,
VAISHYAS did the trade,
SHUDRAS did the farming
What faltu discussion.
The varna system is based on ability and not birth, so Ramnath Goyal had the ability to become president but not the ability to go to the temple and worship. India.
Sir ne baat acchi batayi lekin hinduo ke sabse bade guru shri shankaracharya bahaut baar bol chuke hain varn by birth hi hota hai ye mahashay jo bhi hain unse bade to nahin ho jayenge....to be honest I want ki ye jo bol rahe hain hum sab usko follow karein...lekin I know ye possible nahin hai chahe kuch ho jaye
Exactly.What is karm -karmfal . Know more here.click here
Culture of surnames came during invasions and colonization otherwise we would have shri Ram Singh, Krishna yadav raven chaturvedi, sabri adivasi, valmiki nisat etc. So Bharat culture was totally free of political narrative. It was colonial tactic to divide and enjoy cock fight.. Baba sahib and congress association gave constitution stamped colonial intrests in Bharat..
What exactly is the difference between jaati and tribe?
Nothing, really. N tribalism is there due to evolutionary biology. Some evolutionary advantages were there for groups so they survive
Ab kah do ki jo sant ravidas ne kha vo bhi galat h,, 😅😅😅😅
kya kaha tha ?
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@@Soham216 ok fir koi fayda nhi btane ka,,,,jao padhai kro
This guy is not fit to come in sangam talk .This platform has great reputation so avoid such mediocre
Why he is not fit? If you are having better argument, put that argument but who u are to decide wheather he is fit or unfit.
Ya sab sunke jo honor killings ho rha hy haryana main ladkiyon ki intercaste marriage pe woh khatam ho jayega?