I forgot to mention that on some fights you might want to get Rebuke instead of Exorcist if your group lacks interrupts. Also, some people prefer opening with Avengers Shield then swapping back to a 2hander, but you waste a global cd and can't reequip exorcist for the rest of the fight. But for AoE fights it's really nice.
5 benediction, 5 deflection, SoC, Conviction 5/5. The reason why I use 5/5 deflection is ret pulls agro on adds so easily. The parry helps with haste and survivability. 0/2 improved judgement allows you to get 2 ticks of mana/Divine storm judgement, Seal. I put this rotation into a macro. Start attack, divine storm, judgement, Seal of command, crusader strike, Crusader strike, Divine storm, Judgement, SoC, crusader strike. U get soc proc chance at Start of attack, and another one before the next attack. Light be with you!
there's no way to fit in exorcism, crusader strike and judgements on cd when you're seal twisting cuz you're gonna miss your twist window, if you're using martyrdom you should use 1 of those abilities per auto attack
Would you be able to make a vid to show what addons and stuff you use to make things easier? As someone who’s never played WoW before it feels there’s so many things I have to learn outside of just playing Paladin.
Honestly, I don’t use many. WeakAuras with the script I linked in desc is the main one. Questie is mandatory in my opinion for the ease of questing, and deadly boss mod for dungeons/raids. I might do a vid with useful addons for SoD if people request it though :D
I still don’t understand the rotation, you didn’t really explain the rotation at all. Do I start walking towards an enemy with the seal of Martydom up and the cast righteous and judge quickly. Like, can you make a video of showing what to press and when to press it?
Check my previous video on seal twisting, but in short Ret rotation is very CD (cooldown) dependent. You run in with seal up, exo, DS, CS, Judge, reapply command and do it over again. If you're asking about the seal twisting setup, you run with Martyr up, exo or DS and wait for the last 0.4 seconds before weapon swing (as indicated by swing timer in vid) and change seal to Righteousness so it does a double proc. But remember to use CS or another filler before the twist ideally.
@@KainRaRPGok for some reason I was thinking you had to have a seal up and then press another seal and judge within that 0.4 seconds, but all you have to do is add another seal in that .4 seconds
In aoe fights it's better to use avenger shield instead of exorcism, yes you spend 1 gcd to equip the shield and 30cd, but it has 2 times more damage and at once on 3 targets, crit ~300(x6 damage aoe). In pvp I'd use the avenger shield too, since it gives slowdown debaf.
that could be true, I didn''t get Avenger yet. I also should've mentioned that you proritize DS over exo in most circumstances as it hits harder with better weapons especially AoE scenarios.
I really enjoyed your video, but Im confused with the fact that your talking about using seal of command, but your video shows seal of righteousness and seal of martyrdom.
Did they change how SoC judgement works? If not, I have a hard time believing the DS build is the best single target build. SoM judgement scales with weapon damage, which isn’t the case with SoC. So its judge is likely pretty weak on bosses since they cannot be stunned. I would think using the SoM rune, with a CS -> SoM judge -> Exorcism rotation, is how you maximize ST DPS.
SoM judge is 70% weapon damage on 8 sec cooldown DS is 110% weapon damage on 10 sec cooldown, and you can do SoC judge on top of it. I'm pretty sure DS wins, and it can do AoE too. I'm more concerned about mana consumption.
@@kolosmenusbut you can reliably twist with SoM without worrying about mana. And a WF proc will always get you two SoM procs, while it only increases the probability of getting one SoC proc. And judgements don’t take armor value into consideration, so you’re not actually getting 110% weapon damage per cast of DS.
you're wrong btw, SoC has always scaled with weapon damage, it does the same 70% of your weapon damage per swing that you get from judging martyr, the problem is currently that SoC doesn't twist with SoM atm, if they did you could start with blood and twist to command to fish for a proc
I kinda cucked myself and started a dwarf instead of human. I played a lot during classic during phase 1-5 and remember all about weapon skill, i played edgemaster but still did solid in raids. Is there any news about glancing blows and all that in SoD and will i need edgemasters if i continue dwarf? xd
Dev's suggested items like edgemasters will not play as large a role in endgame as original classic. Generally only try-hard min maxers worry about human racials.
If you can yes. You want the seal up as much as possible before the auto-attack. You also might want to only judge when mob is near death or if seal about to fall off so you don’t have to drink as often.
@@Ramborc86 eh I disagree a bit, I had some mana issues on Jett and Kelris as the fights can last a while. Yeah I pugged it but still, exorcism and DS together are very mana intensive.
Tbh as a class who is easily kited i really love the DS/CS eith avengers shield, i dont open with it but whem im getting kited its a grat gap closer cuz its 10 sec daze
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I forgot to mention that on some fights you might want to get Rebuke instead of Exorcist if your group lacks interrupts. Also, some people prefer opening with Avengers Shield then swapping back to a 2hander, but you waste a global cd and can't reequip exorcist for the rest of the fight. But for AoE fights it's really nice.
5 benediction, 5 deflection, SoC, Conviction 5/5.
The reason why I use 5/5 deflection is ret pulls agro on adds so easily. The parry helps with haste and survivability.
0/2 improved judgement allows you to get 2 ticks of mana/Divine storm judgement, Seal.
I put this rotation into a macro.
Start attack, divine storm, judgement, Seal of command, crusader strike, Crusader strike, Divine storm, Judgement, SoC, crusader strike.
U get soc proc chance at Start of attack, and another one before the next attack.
Light be with you!
no exo? and which Seal do you judge on the first part after DS? @@GrimsBar
there's no way to fit in exorcism, crusader strike and judgements on cd when you're seal twisting cuz you're gonna miss your twist window, if you're using martyrdom you should use 1 of those abilities per auto attack
Would you be able to make a vid to show what addons and stuff you use to make things easier? As someone who’s never played WoW before it feels there’s so many things I have to learn outside of just playing Paladin.
Honestly, I don’t use many. WeakAuras with the script I linked in desc is the main one. Questie is mandatory in my opinion for the ease of questing, and deadly boss mod for dungeons/raids. I might do a vid with useful addons for SoD if people request it though :D
I still don’t understand the rotation, you didn’t really explain the rotation at all. Do I start walking towards an enemy with the seal of Martydom up and the cast righteous and judge quickly. Like, can you make a video of showing what to press and when to press it?
Check my previous video on seal twisting, but in short Ret rotation is very CD (cooldown) dependent. You run in with seal up, exo, DS, CS, Judge, reapply command and do it over again. If you're asking about the seal twisting setup, you run with Martyr up, exo or DS and wait for the last 0.4 seconds before weapon swing (as indicated by swing timer in vid) and change seal to Righteousness so it does a double proc. But remember to use CS or another filler before the twist ideally.
@@KainRaRPGok for some reason I was thinking you had to have a seal up and then press another seal and judge within that 0.4 seconds, but all you have to do is add another seal in that .4 seconds
@@copixel37 you judge/CS after the twist but yeah, it's not needed for twisting itself.
@@KainRaRPGthanks for the written rotation
@@KainRaRPG hey shoudlnt CS be top prio in the rotation (before exo) if it gives mana back? thank you for your answer
Bruh look how much mana that took lol no thanks
In aoe fights it's better to use avenger shield instead of exorcism, yes you spend 1 gcd to equip the shield and 30cd, but it has 2 times more damage and at once on 3 targets, crit ~300(x6 damage aoe). In pvp I'd use the avenger shield too, since it gives slowdown debaf.
that could be true, I didn''t get Avenger yet. I also should've mentioned that you proritize DS over exo in most circumstances as it hits harder with better weapons especially AoE scenarios.
Wouldn't it be worth it to start any fight with seal of the crusader judgment and then command the rest of the fight?
I really enjoyed your video, but Im confused with the fact that your talking about using seal of command, but your video shows seal of righteousness and seal of martyrdom.
great and simply UI, great
You can put divine storm on gloves?
no xD brain fart on my part.
Sorry if you already answered this, but how do I set up my stuff to show the abilities like yours? Also great video!
Did they change how SoC judgement works? If not, I have a hard time believing the DS build is the best single target build. SoM judgement scales with weapon damage, which isn’t the case with SoC. So its judge is likely pretty weak on bosses since they cannot be stunned.
I would think using the SoM rune, with a CS -> SoM judge -> Exorcism rotation, is how you maximize ST DPS.
SoM judge is 70% weapon damage on 8 sec cooldown
DS is 110% weapon damage on 10 sec cooldown, and you can do SoC judge on top of it. I'm pretty sure DS wins, and it can do AoE too. I'm more concerned about mana consumption.
@@kolosmenusbut you can reliably twist with SoM without worrying about mana. And a WF proc will always get you two SoM procs, while it only increases the probability of getting one SoC proc.
And judgements don’t take armor value into consideration, so you’re not actually getting 110% weapon damage per cast of DS.
SoM is garbage and twisting is trash and dead. Long live spin to win.
No you can't. It's almost like you didn't hear what he said.@@omarlozano9374
you're wrong btw, SoC has always scaled with weapon damage, it does the same 70% of your weapon damage per swing that you get from judging martyr, the problem is currently that SoC doesn't twist with SoM atm, if they did you could start with blood and twist to command to fish for a proc
i have installed this to wago but doesnt work? no aura appears ingame
then you installed it poorly
it feels that seal or martyrdom is more consistent damage than using seal of command? as its garunteed damage where SoC is a "chance"
Yeah the trade off is the guaranteed instant AoE damage from divine storm
I kinda cucked myself and started a dwarf instead of human. I played a lot during classic during phase 1-5 and remember all about weapon skill, i played edgemaster but still did solid in raids.
Is there any news about glancing blows and all that in SoD and will i need edgemasters if i continue dwarf? xd
Dev's suggested items like edgemasters will not play as large a role in endgame as original classic. Generally only try-hard min maxers worry about human racials.
Yeah, you’ll be fine! Play what you enjoy :)
How dare you insult your Dwarven brothers! Shame on you! For Khaz Modan!
Quick question- do you reapply the seal before using CS and DS? Assuming it’s a longer fight on a boss or an elite?
If you can yes. You want the seal up as much as possible before the auto-attack. You also might want to only judge when mob is near death or if seal about to fall off so you don’t have to drink as often.
Divine storm will always out dps martyrdom. Even Singletarget.
Assuming infinite mana yes, but you will go oom spamming it on longer fights.
Theoretically, but that fight doesn't exist in sod. Unless you have a very bad raid, which you probably wouldn't be clearing anyway.@@KainRaRPG
@@Ramborc86 eh I disagree a bit, I had some mana issues on Jett and Kelris as the fights can last a while. Yeah I pugged it but still, exorcism and DS together are very mana intensive.
Would DS+Avenger's Shield+Consecration work or too little single target?
that's more of a tank setup ^^
I’m using this I’m using this build atm. Did my first DM yesterday and did great with aggro. Only downtime was mana problems lol
Im not sure how rets do with mana.
They run out
Tbh as a class who is easily kited i really love the DS/CS eith avengers shield, i dont open with it but whem im getting kited its a grat gap closer cuz its 10 sec daze
Yeah I love the addition of avengers shield. Finally got it today and I must say I like it a lot on aoe packs and also in pvp.
10 sec daze is giga broken ngl
How do you switch to the shield and back to two handed
think with macro @@Xxav88
@@Xxav88macro
Where did excorcist rune drop?
duskwood kill a worgen
@@ojaya15966 that is incorrect, you have to kill a defias night blade in the location I showed on vid.
@@KainRaRPGthank you!
If Seal of Command is twistable with Martyrdom, do you think it'll be more reliable then Divine Storm?
lol. no.
if it was we could theorycraft. But for now its just guess-talk. In TBC that was our rotation but we didn't have divine storm.
No. What dont yall get? That only was good because DS didnt exist. DS is king.@@KainRaRPG
if seal twisting would work, martyrdom would 100% be king over DS. commander - martyrdom twist is disgusting with feral wf.
i see, thanks for letting me know. Kinda hope that happens, really fell in love doing that!@@blackspiderman7575
ehhh. avengers sheild > exorcist my friend.
Shhhh ❤
You waste a gcd though but you could be right. I’m yet to get avengers and will test it out.
@@KainRaRPG open with it ranged then macro unwield shield and wield 2h again. It crits pretty hard but needs good timing.
@@knarf427 you will screw tank's aggro if you start with avenger shield bro...
@@LouisCheung713 you'll be fine without righteous fury