MOSES INGRAM RECEIVES HORRIBLE RACIST MESSAGES FROM STAR WARS FANS | Double Toasted
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- MOSES INGRAM RECEIVES HORRIBLE RACIST MESSAGES FROM STAR WARS FANS | Double Toasted - Today at Double Toasted we discuss the Moses Ingram backlash. In this video, we look at the Moses Ingram Instagram video, talking about the Star Wars fan backlash, and we give our thoughts, while also discussing Ewan McGregors' response to the backlash. What do you think about this news? Let us know in the comment section below.
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It's like Black Women can't exist in any geek fandoms from Invincible with Amber, to Marvel with Monica, and now Reva in Star Wars.....my GAWD. These are fictional characters!
To be fair with Invincible,they race swapped Amber and made her an unreasonable bitch lol. Most people had a problem with latter more than the primary
"its like bluck pepol cont eximst" bro there's literally 500 black women all over star wars and disney as a whole. enough already. you're literally complaining because why, because black women can't get every last role on planet earth?
you're a joke and not a funny one either
Imagine a grown ass person that mad over FAKE CHARACTERS smh
It's ridiculous. Makes me not wanna be a blerd
@@rh3medy no fr, white people fill up our spaces that i can't even discuss some fun shit about my superheroes without hearing some weird shit/offhand shit.
I felt for the Jar Jar Binks actor as well, Ahmed Best. He said he developed suicidal thoughts because of the toxic backlash from the fanbase.
Ahmed Best never mentioned the fans, he said it was the media that was always after him. Go look up direct quotes where he mentions the fans, not article headlines, Ahmed never once mentioned fan hate.
The Jar Jar Binks character was absolute shit. But I blamed Lucas and the production staff for that.
that role itself would give anyone those thoughts
I hate that that happened. I love Star Wars but the fan base is soooo toxic sometimes.
@@iotaeta-pi2770 Even George Lucas got the backlash too, which it's one of the reasons why he sold his franchise to Disney in the first place after the prequel era is over.
I agreed that Jar Jar kinda sucks, but can't blame the actor.
Usually don't comment but I been a long term fan of Kory and Martin since "Spill Movie Reviews". Y'all could never know how much your comedy and character have gotten me through some tough times. Thanks Gentlemen and Stay Toasty
Love this!! They have just kept improving their craft since the spill days. Every once in a while I’ll watch one of the spill reviews
Yeah, but sometimes they do be on some moral majority bullshit. But they have been keeping it real when it comes to calling out the sexists & racists of the world & I am here for THAT!!✊🏿😎
@@marionhope7506 I haven’t seen a single piece of racist evidence, just thousands of people talking about an event that didn’t happen?
@@aprilecotton2060 Anita seems honest compared to Hollywood these days, at least she fabricated some of the evidence herself 🤣
I'll never forget the spill podcasts with all the boys.
"She's too angry."
Dude, she's a Sith! lol
Exactly! What were they expecting? An inquisitor that won’t shut up about rainbows and unicorns?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Star Wars has one of the worst fan bases ever.
As a lifelong Star Wars fan, I agree
I don't know Pro Wrestling, DC and Marvel is bad too
Star Trek also, calling the new shows "woke" when Star Trek had been woke before it was a thing.
Its the Sonic fanbase of Movies
Let's not forget that Disney intentionally made John Boyega's character extremely small in the poster for their Chinese audience, sidelined his character in the last 2 movies to focus on the two main white leads, he even called them out on it. Also made sure to keep black panthers mask on in their poster for their Chinese audience. Disney only cares about diversity when it doesn't effect their bottom line.
Dr. Strange, didn't open up in china because they wouldn't cut content, Same with Eternals... now tell me how they don't do what's best for thier bottom line again?
@@vadordarth496 They care only about their bottom line.
What does any of that have to do with racist trolls online?
Take that whataboutism nonsense elsewhere
@@BaithNa has everything to do with it.
@@BaithNa I'll take "whataboutism" wherever I feel like taking it.
These "fans" are getting more toxic every year
Yes they are.
Without question
Maybe Disney should stop making Star Wars shows. I know they’re not gonna do because it’s a business and they need to make money by needing to feed the beast with new content, but this fanbase acts like children. And better way to punish children then by taking away their toys?
It's the woke culture.
Full stop.
It's the Fandom Menace. The far-right wing within the SW fandom who are propped up by people like Geeks + Gamers and Doomcock like Alex Jones and his cult to attack anyone and anything associated with new Star Wars. Their toxic self-entitlement is childish and pathetic and they truly believe that they own the franchise and thus should dictate it, they want new generations to only see Star Wars as they view it, they can't comprehend that in a world inhabited by nearly 8 Billion people all capable of independent though and free will, that they would all have different opinions on what Star Wars is to them.
It's insane, these people just enjoy tearing anything down, including going out of their way to personally attack, bully, degrade people just because they only want to see Star Wars how they originally viewed it. Anything that is outside of that scope is somehow woke, against their beliefs, abhorrent, not how Star Wars or any form of art/entertainment/work of fiction should be and will strive to keep on attacking until they get their way and claim to be responsible for shaping it in a "positive way."
They are a cult, plain and simple and make the fandom as a whole look terrible by association because the vocal minority is what most people will see. It is so sad to see people who love Star Wars and want to participate in its creation, who play a character only to be torn down so harshly for no reason at all.
It makes people resent the franchise, no wonder almost all of the Sequel Trilogy actors reflect on it negatively and want nothing to do with it currently. All they were ever faced with was this onslaught of hate and negativity drowning out anything positive. People will rightly be scared to be associated with Star Wars because of the reputation of having to confront this.
This is the reality of working on Star Wars, it's a soul crushing thing that is so heavily scrutinised in every way to unimaginable degrees, that brings out the worst in people when it's meant to do the opposite, the level of entitlement borders on unhealthy obsession over a work of fiction that doesn't belong to then at all, they have no say over it, they honestly don't even deserve what they get.
The Fandom Menace especially will always be pathetic, they don't just target Star Wars, they target every other work of fiction as well, it's just Star Wars is how they got started and they are very much always continuously targeting it.
As a long time star-wars fan, it really pains me that the fan community has such toxic elements. I hope these racists know that Palpatine was based on Nixon...
They like Nixon. They like the bad guys.
@@tn420animations9 Yep. When you side with the space fascists, you're telling the rest of us quite a bit.
@@MSTJedi mad weird
I'm still waiting to see racist comments from verified star wars fans. Should this video be flagged for misinformation?
@@ponyboy316 the gaslighting is strong with this one
I wasn't really a fan of her character or performance but I don't blame the actress, she was great in Tragedy of Macbeth. It's pretty pathetic some Star Wars fans haven't learned anything from Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best, and most recently Kelly Marie Tran.
I'll admit i'm abit concerned that her character might be written to steal the show in some way, like somekind of bait and switch, but so far i'm liking her villainess, it's bad the actress is receiving vile shit off twitter. I hope they investigate twitter some day cause alot of this shit spewed from their has to be from bots, sjws and fake accounts.
@@RaikenXion I agree, I would be fascinated if they back tracked all the hate to the sources and actually posted their names alongside all the hatred they spewed... I would probably have a bit along my name but I try to keep my complaints civil and to valid points, not to attacking people for appearance or things they can't do anything about. But I think everyone could do with a reality check to what they post online sometimes.
@@aurorauplinks Oh i wish they would, i've calmed down now regarding what i post. I used to get into cussing matches with people online, cause someone would lash out and i would start back, this was years ago but i dont do that no more. It's soo pointless and silly, just to insult someone you don't know, such a waste of energy.
these trolls who spew vile hatred and the racism, i honestly think most of them are crazy and dont live in the real world. they live on social networking and are on here like, 24/7. It's dangerous cause these kinds of people dont have any social skills, and so they jus say really stupid and when it does come to them having to go out somewhere,say for an appointment with their Doctor, they cant handle being out in actual public, and they could be a danger to others.
Star Wars fans are the worst. Never satisfied with anything but continue to consume everything Star Wars related whilst also being racist
They didn’t learn anything because they got what they wanted. These directors and producers need to learn from politicians and continue doing what they’re doing.. folks will whine and complain but they’ll have no choice but to get over it.. (great for stories, shitty for politics, the method works the same)
As a Star Wars fan since '77 this stuff is disheartening and depressing. Moses Ingram is lovely and I'm really enjoying her character. As soon as I saw her I knew all the usual suspects would get their panties in a bunch over her casting - take a look on RUclips and see all the channels ragging on Disney for defending her.
It's sad that she has to put up with this garbage, but I hope she realises that most of us actually like her and welcome her to the franchise.
I really don't get what's their beef. She's playing a sith to the T.
@@brucewaite3733 Oh I think we can guess their beef - they all lost their minds when they saw her in the trailer....
It's fake racism. It has to be. Disney probably pays people to make accounts on Twitter and say racist things to prove they're right.
@@dirufanboy1971 oh you're absolutely right. They just never admit it. They'll always act like they don't know what you're trying to imply
@@brucewaite3733 Boils down to seeing a young black woman being 'aggresive' and yelling or just being assertive and these white dudes start loosing their f**king minds. They slowly played out her backstory but these man babies decided to complain before her motives were explained.
I cannot believe this. Im 46 and seen every star wars movie in the theaters and read all the Eu when it was semi canon. I was a black nerd when there was like 4 of us at sci-fi conventions! Star wars has always been about fighting tyranny and freedom. I dont understand.
I understand perfectly.....white boys think they and only thety get to decide who are represented.....and they feeel they own everything and dont want to see black faces in their fantasies.....racism isnt a hard thing to figure out
bigots will always try to infiltrate the counterculture groups. They did it with Punk, Warhammer 40k, tried it with Furries. Fanbases have to come together and collectively reject that ideology, and make it clear that bigots of any kind will never be welcome amongst them.
These people are afraid of change
How was Billy D received when he was on Empire?
@@comixproviderftw_02 what change? The dialogue?
What piss me off is that in the force awakens and John boyega character was suppose to be a Jedi and he was getting so much hate that Lucasfilms got peer pressure into just making him a regular guy it’s sad 💯
Yeah, that’s why they shrunk his image on the poster...in China.
That was messed up because John Boyega is also a really good actor.
I don't know why he got so much hate for his performance as Finn.
Wow no, it was not the audience fault Boyega got written like that. Even John explains it himself. It was 100% the writers, directors and producers fault.
@@reikun86 Yeah I dunno why Disney hated him.
@@fastbike6764 because the Chinese audience is Disney's bigger priority. Plan simple, that is why they basically remove boyega from the Chinese version of movie posters, either because Chinese citizens would boycott because the Chinese government requested that boyega image be reduced into the background as a condition of gain access to the Chinese market. Otherwise it won't show in theaters and it'll be blacklisted online, and Disney doesn't want to risk missing out on that profit because they were likely counting on it.
That bother you?f If so then stop giving your money to Disney and eventually they'll have to respect our values/concerns. This is exactly how China got Disney to suppress Boyega: because Disney knows that even if they appease them with offensive crap like that, people like you & me will still give them the same amount of our money regardless.
Movie or TV show casts black person.
Sensitive wyte nerds: Why do you have to make it political?
Every other sane person: Why is a black person simply existing, political in your eyes?
THIS!!!
This comment is targeted to some of the people who commented here...
Let's imagine you read an article talking about a child that has been beaten to death by his father for not doing his homeworks...
What would be your reaction?
-Would you say "well, he didn't do his homeworks he had it coming!"?
-Would you say "hey i don't like the implication of this article that because i tell my kids to do their homeworks then it means that i am a child beater too!"?
-Would you say "It's all the teacher's fault for givin the kid homeworks to do!"?
-Would you say "huh huh don't believe it happened, it's a lie invented by children so they will never be given homeworks anymore"?
... No?
Then why some of you people here are reacting exactly like that when you are told about an actress being harrassed online?
You think she's a bad actress (the kid didn't do his homeworks)? No problem but that doesn't make her deserving to be harrassed (beaten to death)...
You just don't like her but never said anything racist about her (you make your kids do their homeworks too)? No problem, this video is not talking about you being racist (nobody is accusing you of beating your kids).
You think Disney/Lucasfilm gave her a bad character (the teacher gave the kid homeworks)... That doesn't mean they are responsible for the people harrassing the actress (just like the teacher is not responsible for the death of the kid).
You think it's a lie so they can deflect any criticism? Okay... so why didn't it happen when the Book of Boba Fett was heavily criticized? Why didn't it happen when Episode IX was heavily criticized? Why didn't it happen when Thor 2 (another Disney product) was criticized? Or when the Eternals was criticized? Or when Wandavision was criticized? The truth is that they talk about racism only when racism is involved... It's not a way of deflecting criticism, Hollywood has another way of dealing with criticism, they mostly just ignore it publicly...
Try to use your brain before you post stupid comments
These “fans” do the opposite of what they want anyway, if they wanted people or Star Wars to notice their genuine criticisms and complaints, all of that is now ignored and focused on their toxicity. Stupid people anyway always gotta ruin it for everyone
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I’m a person of color. However, I’m won’t validate bad acting just because she’s black! There’s a lot of great black actors! Billy Dee Williams, Bill Duke for one! You have to be convincing to audiences. You have to sell your character! Moses didn’t do the job! She doesn’t understand the character and didn’t sell it!
@@Darthdad72 I agree she isn’t that great in the role and is too over the top, but also it’s a shame bunch of these people resorted to racism and hate it just brings the whole fan base down and makes most fans seem toxic
@@nylerv1949 Those people dont even represent the majority of people like Darthdad72 and myself who have valid criticisms of the show. So basically what Disney is going to do, is amplify these vocal minority racist / troll tweets to make it look like the majority so that it appears that you cant criticize the show now or you;ll be thrown into that vocal minority category.
I see you Disney.
@@fastbike6764 yeah I know Disney might do that but in the end it’s these stupid toxic fans fault giving Disney ammo
I'm so tired of this rhetoric.
Through all the ups and downs of any franchise whether it be Star Wars, Marvel, DC - we're all just trying to have a good time, escape either the mundane or hardships of the real world, and a huge part of a fandom community should be respect among one another and the welcoming of all people from fans to the talent involved.
And this grotesque ignorance and petty rage just taints the whole experience. We don't have to like or agree on everything, but as far as I'm concerned if you can't accept that the Star Wars universe is for everyone or that fans are entitled to enjoy what they like, then YOU are not welcome.
If you really are a Star Wars fan and believe in what the themes and values of the story stood for from the very beginning then you don't resent other human beings based on their gender, race, or sexual orientation.
well said
Funny how we always talk about fan backlash when the show is a steaming Amber Heard lol How is twitter so bad at banning racism? They ban people just for saying "A woman is an aduIt human female" or "Iearn to code" and I need a phone number to sign up, but somehow twitter always has an endless army of racist twitter trolls? How does that work? These websites lie worse than a six-year-old.
@@insensitive919 ... What?
Majority was upset because the writing the storyline and the beloved characters of star wars is destroyed in the hand of disney. The bunch that resent because of gender ect was not majority. It mostly just trolling. But lots of loyal fans got genuine concern because this company didn't treat the legacy of star wars with respect
@@akuhappy3246 but that's not the conversation we're having here. There's a way to disagree and criticise in a respectful and constructive manner - DT Crew have had their fair share of criticisms towards the franchise of late, I haven't always agreed with them but never felt condescended or bullied for enjoying what I personally enjoy.
But this toxic sector of the fan base is not just a few bad eggs, it's enough people to cripple the mental health of Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best, run Kelly Marie Tran off social media, and that's just a start. It does taint the experience of being a fan and EVERYONE should be speaking up against it whether you like this new direction of Star Wars or not. I hate Rise of Skywalker personally, I think it's lazy, poor filmmaking, but there are people who do enjoy it and they have a right to, I sure as shit am not sending death threats and harrassing J.J. Abrams and Daisy Ridley and John Boyega for it. Most importantly, I'm calling out this toxic bullshit when I see it.
The same individuals complaining about diversity, representation, etc. are ironically the same ones that drive more people to consider showing more diversity and having more representation. They hurt their own cause by motivating others to act against them when they say such things, and I'm here for it. lol
I want to be a film maker one day, if that day ever comes, and did not grow up knowing what racism was all about since I don't live in the West.
So is it racist if I had a black female villain character who wants to wipe out all peoples, especially white people which she has a great hatred for, and create an empire where only blacks live, and she justifies it because of the slavery and racism that the blacks experienced, and wants revenge as part of her cause?
By the way the whole thing is a dark comedy, and of course there are many black people who will stand up against her.
Actually, that's not true, they are the core fans. All of these diversity "liberal woke" films & shows have been flopping horribly. It's really bad.
If ppl would stop listening to a narrative & actually listen to the other side, you will see that the biggest men labeled as these toxic fans fully explain the issues. They do so in great detail. It ruins continuity, & established characters and their is an agenda. I don't want to be chosen because I'm black, I want to be chosen cause I'm talented.
And Finally, I don't think we should accept these hand-me-downs characters. These gender & race swap characters are insulting since we have deep established blk characters with decades of story and Hollywood refuses to use them & will just make Tony Stark blk.
@@cashewnuttel9054 When you ask if it is racist, do you mean is it racist for you to make such a movie? I say it is not racist, because Black Panther basically did the same thing, and I have not really heard anyone calling the maker of that movie racist. Though, I think Kill Monger wanted to use the resources of Wakanda to overthrow oppressive governments, but some people believe he wanted to commit white genocide. While the female character is kind of racist, I would not see how anyone would call you racist for making such a movie, especially when this female character is a villain and her actions are not really being glorified.
No Eric Killmonger wanted revenge on Wakanda, the royal family and the world for killing his father stranding him without parents in Oakland and having to grow up in America on his own.
His plan to free suppressed blacks with Wakandan spies and weapons was always bullshit, to expose the country and essentially trap them in aworld war where every nation that got hit by their spies would come after Wakanda. Bomb them back into the Stone Age, steal their technology and probably bring slavery back.
He never cared about anything but his revenge he straight up tells it to T’Chala and the audience in his last fight becoming king was meaningless all he wanted was to destroy a Wakanda.
@Dal’ris Hardin Cool story lady
Well I'm not a fan of the character but yeah going full on racist on the actress is pretty stupid. The character has nothing to do with the actress so attacking her is ridiculous, it's the writers and director fault. Even still don't attack these people just watch something else and move on with your life.
Plus she’s really good in The Queen’s Gambit. So I’m blaming bad writing.
I think you for that you don’t have to like the character but that doesn’t mean it’s OK to be a racist asshole.
@@reikun86 Its absolutely the writing, I mean the show is enjoyable but this 3rd episode was really stupid in some places.
What was the full on racism you're speaking of?
@@jimmyz1248 I’m still trying to find it. What really sums it up is this: some fans are crazy and will send you hateful messages, no matter what race, gender, or age you are. That’s basically gonna happen no matter what if you’re in the public eye, let alone a huge franchise. Doesn’t mean it’s okay, but celebrity hate mail's been happening since the beginning of time.
Star Wars is my favorite franchise of all time, but the fandom are some of the most toxic, racist, and sexist groups of people ever. They're almost as bad as toxic video game fans. Not saying they're all bad, but the bad ones really stand out above everyone else sometimes.
Their money spends the same
All fan bases have nut jobs but I'm afraid star Wars takes the cake.
Agreed! They bullied a kid into quitting acting.
Agreed. I don't even watch Star wars anymore because you can't talk about it anymore without being consumed by the toxicity surrounding it.
@@drejackson4882 Not only that, but they also bullied the actor who played Jar Jar to almost commit suicide. I dare say Star Wars fans ruined Star Wars!
The irony of being so against “cancel culture” and making dozens of videos whining about “cancel culture” and not hesitating for a moment trying to cancel someone out of Star Wars or even out of existence by sending death threats…not because of what they said but because they are of a different skin pigmentation. It’s really sad.
See they are only against cancel culture when it's people they don't like not people they like.
That just lets you know how full of shit those people are, and some of them are just fucking nuts. I tend to use the "Carlin Method" as my Guide. ruclips.net/video/Igsb3ejgbL8/видео.html
Why are people even upset about Star Wars? Star Wars sucks! It's ugly! And not to mention it's repetitive! All of them by the way! It was a movie that made hundreds of millions of dollars, and was considered revolutionary... FOR ITS TIME!
Hello!!! We are no longer in the 1977! There is nothing revolutionary nor appealing about them in 2022.
Let it go, and let it die with dignity!
@@cashewnuttel9054 OMG! Thank you.
@@cashewnuttel9054 THANK YOU!! SAY IT AGAIN.!!
Moses Ingram is playing a hateful Star Wars villain. Moses Ingram did an excellent job.
Still doesn't give you the right to throw some profanities at her.
@@hartleeroy197 I don't believe that was their point
Sorry my point was, if you hate a villain, the villain is good actor. You are suppose to be hate them. Star Wars is a beloved kid's movie, it's being ruined by adults promoting their RUclips Channels.
@@marcobelcastro7219 but its the type of hate; Do you hate the character because the character is evil or do you hate the character because the writing and deliver is awful? There's a huge difference there.
@@marcobelcastro7219 hating the character is one thing, hating the person acting the role is another level of tomfoolery
those fans are just toxic
I don't see why they have a problem with this character. My thoughts are with the actress. Quite hard to hear this. I can understand not liking a character, I didn't like Rey. I don't understand hating on an actor though. Makes no sense at all.
I hate Rey and Kylo Renn but that doesn't mean I hate the actors; Adam Driver was in my favorite film Logan Lucky and I didn't mind some of his SNL work. I'm still kicking myself for not seeing BlackKklansman though!
@@wiinterflowers4277 There were people who threatened his wife because she got in the way of their shipping.
Some people are really sick.
This Party is over
It's ok to criticize her acting ( I myself like her character so far ) But it's not surprising she's getting racist trolling. I GUARANTEE if she was in some kind of colored body paint with head tentacles or in a furry costume she wouldn't get half the trolling shes getting.
Precisely she can be a wookie but she can't be a woman and she can't be black, that's a bridge too far for them.
Eeeeh i remember orange Yoda from the sequels getting a fair bit of trolling for being non-white
Eh not really. Look at Ahmed Best who voiced Jar Jar Binks. His character was completely CG and he still received hate, harassment and death threats to a point where it affected his career and he almost jumped off a bridge because of it.
@@zeroskaterz92 precisely!
Most of her feedback is majority positive. She chose to highlight the minority of bad comments. They never click on thise accounts to see if they are even real. Bots are just out here like that. I've received some of the same crap, clicked on the account, & guess what......wasn't real.
Ewan McGregor perfectly summed it up in his video and god bless him for it! Bullies and racists do *NOT* belong in the Star Wars fandom!
They must be loving all of this attention lol
So, actors are above reproach?
If I say an actor is terrible, and people push back, am I being bullied?
Am I not free to express my opinion that an actor is untalented and simply terrible in a role?
Must my opinion conform to yours?
Personally, I think they are trying to preemptively protect the actors in Star Wars from criticism because they realize some of the roles were poorly carried out.
@@m____w____6981 Or, you can just not watch something. Do you have a good reason to say someone is terrible? Did you not listen to what they were saying here? Because it seems like you just got triggered for some reason.
@@lego4virgo The Obi Wan story is very interesting. Fun to watch. But Moses' acting is simply terrible in this. It seems that people are claiming that stating Moses' acting stinks is somehow racist. This is absurd.
@@m____w____6981 I agree with you. I'm not racist, I have plenty of black people as my friends, I love them. But she is terrible as an actress, she could be black, white, pink, green, I don't care. Her acting is not defined by her skin color (and fortunately), so I can freely say that she sucks at acting.
I always think it’s the stupidest thing to hate an actor who is playing a character who is mean to be hated. If you don’t like Reva, guess what? Moses did a good job.
This is exactly what I mean, notice that whenever Black people play roles of people who are meant to be mean or hated, they're demonized for it. But when white people do it, it's seen as quirky or part of the character, not just in Star Wars but in all media.
They don't hate her because of her character but just because of her skin color.
she is super pretty but the script isnt doing her any favors.
@@BratzRockAngels No she plays awfull thats why they hate her.
@@BratzRockAngels nope
Denzel Washington nobody hates on him
Its because she is playing the part bad.
And dont look the part. She is not intimidating enough in the look.
Feel ashamed to admit this, but I was part of that kind of fandom when I was younger, adult, but acting like a god damn child. None of these people deserve this kind of hate, it's unreal to see this becoming a norm in some instances.
This is no surprise. They did this to Samuel and John too. Starwars and Marvel both have the most racist fanbase, where any changes get heavily criticized. These racists help ruin the franchise's
These racist fans need to tell eminem and jack harlow not to ever rap again in life
@@BigBigTrigger What does Eminem have to do with this situation?
Last season of Ozark was trash. I'm not messaging whole Byrd family rn
Don't forget DC
@@tylongkicks8821 facts ty long kicks. If Superman was changed in any way itd be a riot
I had a feeling this would happen... mostly cause you seen some parts of the fandom worship the Empire and really ignore the whole Nazi allegory which inspired it, then again some people love it for that exact reason. Hence people were more than happy to adore the Empire despite the atrocities it commits. Add a Person of color to the Empire, And suddenly it ruins their adoration of it cause there's "Diversity" in it and it's no longer their favorite fantasy Nazi replacement... Ignoring that the Empire are the villains and this is a fantasy world.
But is just overall amazingly stupid how fans love Fantasy YET people of different color and sex are apparently the hard part to swallow in a setting or "unrealistic" or take them out of the story, which says more about the people complaining that they don't wanna see other races. These are the same people who complain about Star Trek getting too Woke, despite Star Trek being about social issues since the very beginning and way before the Anti-woke crowd was born.
Woke trash
It's the Fandom Menace. The far-right wing within the SW fandom who are propped up by people like Geeks + Gamers and Doomcock like Alex Jones and his cult to attack anyone and anything associated with new Star Wars. Their toxic self-entitlement is childish and pathetic and they truly believe that they own the franchise and thus should dictate it, they want new generations to only see Star Wars as they view it, they can't comprehend that in a world inhabited by nearly 8 Billion people all capable of independent though and free will, that they would all have different opinions on what Star Wars is to them.
It's insane, these people just enjoy tearing anything down, including going out of their way to personally attack, bully, degrade people just because they only want to see Star Wars how they originally viewed it. Anything that is outside of that scope is somehow woke, against their beliefs, abhorrent, not how Star Wars or any form of art/entertainment/work of fiction should be and will strive to keep on attacking until they get their way and claim to be responsible for shaping it in a "positive way."
They are a cult, plain and simple and make the fandom as a whole look terrible by association because the vocal minority is what most people will see. It is so sad to see people who love Star Wars and want to participate in its creation, who play a character only to be torn down so harshly for no reason at all.
It makes people resent the franchise, no wonder almost all of the Sequel Trilogy actors reflect on it negatively and want nothing to do with it currently. All they were ever faced with was this onslaught of hate and negativity drowning out anything positive. People will rightly be scared to be associated with Star Wars because of the reputation of having to confront this.
This is the reality of working on Star Wars, it's a soul crushing thing that is so heavily scrutinised in every way to unimaginable degrees, that brings out the worst in people when it's meant to do the opposite, the level of entitlement borders on unhealthy obsession over a work of fiction that doesn't belong to then at all, they have no say over it, they honestly don't even deserve what they get.
The Fandom Menace especially will always be pathetic, they don't just target Star Wars, they target every other work of fiction as well, it's just Star Wars is how they got started and they are very much always continuously targeting it.
actually the empire is the US
@@mikhaeldutton9933they're also passionate fans who are part of the fandom, a lot of them are the majority
@@fatbastard51 lol no they really are not. They constantly admit to not actually being fans
Some of these "fans" will be like "but we like Lando!" but I guarantee if the internet was around in 1980, Billy Dee Williams would have received the exact same treatment.
They would've written letters to the studio back then, lol.
I'm a black woman and a big Star Wars fan. I knew it was coming but deep down you still have hope that this stuff is going away. I think what's worse than the overt racism is this new whiny version hiding behind criticism of this character that has no real basis. Reva's character is young, impatient, powerful and impulsive. JUST LIKE ANAKIN. If they just made the character a white male all of these reviewers would LOVE him. They would breathe a sigh of relief because they'd once again feel catered to.
Pretty sure most people actually hated Anakin in the prequels, so not sure i can agree with that one i'm afraid
And as a white person, won't lie... ''They would breathe a sigh of relief because they'd once again feel catered to.'' was about the worst point you could bring up, considering ''white males'' aren't the ones asking for ''diversity and black empowerement politics'' in a FANTASY world, thank you~
but i forgot, it's allright to use the same thing you complain about when it's you doing it, right?
this
@@happysugarwaifu432 Your writings are genuinely incomprehensible.
Lol Fr have no clue wtf they’re trying to say too many contradictions
@@happysugarwaifu432
"white males'' aren't the ones asking"
Exactly the point. You never had to "ask" for anything because you were always there by default being catered to. Fact.
Now that the creators are NOT catering to you specifically as much, you "feel" discriminated against, and or "denied" what you feel entitled to. "Equality feels like oppression" to the privileged.
You are not the only ones with money to spend on products so naturally those creators (many of whom are white men) are telling you what you are REALLY worth in a capitalist system.
I'm just gonna say it, every time a black actor is cast in a major star wars role, there's always some form of hate being thrown at them. It's just facts. Don't get upset. It's not every SW fan, but a BIG majority have a problem with seeing a person of color in this fantasy world. It's ridiculous. I for one do not like when they change the race of a character in a series(just create new black characters Hollywood), but even when they do add more prominent black roles, this is the response. Wake up people , a lotta y'all is racist .
Kelly Marie Tran and John Boyega. It's funny cause when John Boyega called out Disney for being racist and using him as a token and just pushing him to the side for being black, many fans dismissed him or said "Stop pulling the race card, everyone was treated bad". No, everyone was written poorly, but John was pushed to the sidelines and used because he was Black and a bunch of white people or non blacks can't talk on his experience. Same hatred towards Kelly, who deserved no hate whatsoever, I'm glad she got another good role as Princess Raya in Raya and The Last Dragon. Majority of Star Wars are racist and toxic.
As a white person who can't stand black people lifestyle (loud, violent, ignorant) I honestly don't care if black people have power.
But most don't earn it.
They just black.
Kamala comes to mind.
Good day.
I don't remember them saying it about SLJ back in the day, but it's entirely possible I was sheltered from it since I was like 10.
Samuel is one of the “good ones” so he probably wasn’t much of a problem for them
It's sad but true. Soon as i saw her in the trailer with a lightsaber i said they ain't gonna like this lol
My favorite part of the Moses Ingram backlash is the people that try to divert the discussion away from racism by talking about "opinions". There is a vocal and aggressive contingent of all geek fandoms that relies on anonymity to say the most vile and stupidest things, and until everyone on social media has to post under their real name and use their real face on their profiles, this will never stop. Racism ain't goin nowhere, but we can stop a lot of the harassment by making people accountable for what they say.
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Let's lean into racism. Since we don't want to divert. I think that obi wan sucks. Because he is white.
Don't give Social Media companies ideas. Was it the far-right Social Media site Parler that requires a Driver's License to register? No way I'll ever give a Social Media company my personal information.
You can dislike a character, and Lord knows that Star Wars has a hard time of writing good intriguing female characters. No fault of her own that the role fell flat for a lot of people. But attacking her like that without ever haven even met her, or gotten the time to know her ACTUAL character. Is extremely rude and your comments should be taken back. Star Wars fans are some of the hardest to please, but this cruelty is not okay. Regardless or race or gender.
When has society ever let anyone take a comment back ever? *cancel culture*
@@Ash.Attack scapegoat for far right right wing like to scream cancel culture. After being racist
I'm pretty sure it's bad to say the N word to people you actually meet in person too.
As a lifelong Star Wars fan, I am broken-hearted by this news. The main theme of the entire franchise is overcoming prejudice and embracing difference for a greater good. The best advice I could give to this young woman is do the best you can and let the work speak for itself. I am behind you 100%! Rock on my beautiful black sister!
Good call,Elijah. There's also a lot of sexist attitudes and sexism in the army,I had to let my voice be HEARD and take a stand against these moronic attitudes and actions. And black,female soldiers REALLY catch it !!!
It always amuses me when you get hate from a group of people who have formed a religion based on characters and a world that is racially blind.
Lol they aren’t even human in some cases lmaoooooo
where is the evidence of this hate? im confused.
@@DEADSTARZ Moses Ingram caught a lot of racism online just for being the 3rd Sister Reva.
i was born in the 80’s. I remember whenever watching any badass action film you always wanted to see badass women too. Ripley, alice from resident evil, that underworld lady, xena warrior princess, the long kiss goodnight(just to name a few). I can’t remember anyone complaining except for the joke of 80lbs women beating up men but people still went to see them, especially men. This generation & some weirdos are fighting a fight that doesn’t exist. We like these properties but we don’t own them & if you don’t like it then don’t watch it. It’s just my opinion but the internet is the problem. Some people are cruel & miserable. The internet gives anyone & everyone a voice but a lot of people can’t handle that power or responsibility. It’s the same things with guns, they’re ideal for protection but everyone can’t handle the responsibility of having one. it’s 2022 & racism is way out of control in the united states. You would think that after everything america has done to black people that racism would be far from people lives as a way to move on how so many non blacks claim they want. Yet when you watch the news or hear nonsense like this is shows that nothing has changed & everything is the same if not worse. Sorry for the long statement but shit like this makes me mad & very disappointed. Great video
Most of those movies you named except allien suck.
@@tn420animations9 then you’re missing the point. But i’ll explain since you’re slow. When these movies came out nobody cared women were the ones doing all the ass kicking. Movies just like music is subjective. You may feel they suck but somebody had to like them being that they became a franchise & made hundreds of millions of dollars. You kids make everything about you instead of seeing the point because I guarantee it’s mostly the under 30 crowd crying & complaining online. So sorry son troll someplace else
you forgot bad ass women like Amber Turd
@@pastoryoda2789 why fo you kids make stupid comments for attention like it’s cool. They were just talking about this don’t you have anything better to do with your life
The issue is character's like Ellen Ripley, Sarah Conner, Geena Davis from Long Kiss Goodnight, etc are believable, well written characters that just happened to be women. They're cool iconic badass characters. Now, they don't write cool compelling badass characters. Rey from Star Wars is not that. She could've been but they wrote her so lazily. She's just a badass right off the bat who beats everybody with no training, end of story. Oh she has no relation to Force users, she's just some farmers daughter, oh no actually she's Palpatine's granddaughter. It's lazy bullshit for the sake of pandering. That's the issue.
Fuck all those racist, sexist, death threat writing idiots btw. They do not represent the majority of people who have valid complaints.
These people have me ashamed admit that I'm a Star Wars fan.
Crazy white racists have always loved Star Wars
You don't need to be ashamed of yourself. Just don't be like them.
Yes, I agree. I loved star wars since I the seventies. And I love the prequels as well as the new series. Personally, I don't care what these crappy people think. You should be the same. When you refuse to let them live off of your energy, the weaker and more insignificant they become. The more attention they give these actors who play these characters, the bigger they may all become. They'll increase while those clowns decrease.
The SW fandom has become more toxic over the years.
amen bro
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
I thought it was one of the better Star Wars shows, the dialogue was kinda bad and unnatural. But that’s normal for Star Wars.
Some of it isn’t great, but some have lines that are pretty funny.
There is like 6 black people in the entire star wars movies and shows, I don't get why people got to be racist seeing a 99% white cast and a 1% minority.
I cannot call those clowns fans. I have been in Star Wars celebration, in Star Wars groups who not tolerated any of that B.S. we have civilized conversations, and love the performers. Those stupid trolls are not fans.
I was told the black man should know his place and not be the lead. This is when force awakens came out.
I think she is an awesome character in the series, she definitely plays her part well. I am an African-American Star Wars fan and I think she did an excellent job. You have these fans out here who criticize, let them criticize.
Keep up the good work Moses Ingram. As my father used to say," people are just jealous of you because they're not you".
Most of them are probably grown men who stay in their parents basement LOL. It's pathetic.
I support Moses Ingram 100%. Keep up the good work from your biggest fan!!!
Good quote, I also once had a pastor say "if you're talking bad about people that are doing better than you, then that means you are just jealous".
@@CLDJ227 true💯💯💯
People shouldn't be attacking ng her, the character as written I like but she plays it like a one note cartoon character. I think they could have gotten a better black actress and yes I'm black. From what I've seen the show is "Meh" except a few cool scenes.
I am curious why the other characters didn't get heat? Like that Asian dude Playing as an alien? If they made her an alien who she she get the same criticism?
@@sm512 She’s actually good in The Queen’s Gambit, so I’m thinking it’s bad writing and direction.
I grew up on Hayden and Matt’s anakin so I always loved the prequels , never understood the hate . Even tho Rey was a trash character, daisy didn’t deserve the hate , she did the best she could . I respect moses for her not really caring about that hate , even tho reva’s character is not really a cool character but I think she’s gonna be great in the later episodes.
Hayden Christensen is actually a good actor, and I didn't blame him for the prequels at all.
Lucas wrote the script, and nobody had the cajones to contradict him.
She received ZERO racist messages that's just a lie. No one cares about the race of characters in Star Wars, the writing is TERRIBLE.
She literally posted screenshots that Korey read at the end of the video--you're either burying your head in the head or insanely dense.
@@TheMarkSasuke64 Every celebrity has been mocked for a genetic quality in the history of film. Tom Cruise was and continues to be mocked for his height and nobody cares and he makes good movies.
@@jakepaulpound-for-pound9418 No one is saying people aren't mocked for their physical features, but when they're mocked targeting their race specifically... that's called...?
@@TheMarkSasuke64 How is making fun of someone for race-which is a genetic component-less acceptable than making fun of someone for another genetic component like height, voice, IQ or facial bones? Also, why is complaining about the small percentage of people who make fun of someone for their race justify Disney constantly pumping out mediocre products?
@@jakepaulpound-for-pound9418 Who said anything about more or less acceptable? You're desperately trying to write off racism by appealing to every general phenotype in order to say "see, gauise, people get made fun of for all types of things!" Congrats, you discovered what insults are. I don't have patience to educate someone as bad-faith or dense on why some insults are worse than others--nor why your last sentence is just you assuming more shit that no one here said. It's tiresome.
Amahd Best, Jake Lloyd, Hayden Christiansen, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Kelly Marie Tran, Kid Leila’s actress and now Moses Ingram. People have also sent death threats to JJ Abrams, Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson. And the countless fanboys crying “George Lucas __________ my childhood” (even making a whole ass documentary about it). While it may seem like it’s a minority of fans, Star Wars fandom speaks loudly. I can’t say be better, but it’ll be the same thing with the new projects.
People don't want established characters to change ethnicity, instead they ask for original and new characters of colour to be created. Original and New characters of colour are created and the response from the fanbase is the same.
It's clear it's not about whether the character is new, or representing a different ethnicity. People don't want to see characters of colour on the screen.
I don't get how no-one has learned from Jake Lloyd. People jizzing over Anakin's return now, but still shitting on ST cast and now this lady Moses Ingram.
Moses deserves none of this bull especially the other actors who got heckled.
I knew as soon as she appeared on screen that some shit like this would happen. These are the same "fans" that complained about seeing a black stormtrooper in Force Awakens.
The Star Wars fanbase has been trash even before Phantom Menace.
I'm surprised they didn't mention Ahmed Best contemplating suicide because of how much bullying and harassment he received for playing Jar-Jar Binks.
Star Wars isn't that fun anymore, and it's the fault of these "fans".
Ahmed never said that. Ahmed said that it was the media. Find me a DIRECT quote where he blames the fans.
This is not about race. Reva is a terrible character, plain and simple.If you think that opinion is racist, that says more about YOU than anyone else.
nobody has problem with people not liking the character. But if you send her messages with the N word, or call her diversity hire, or something like that, then yes, you are racist...
Are you?
@@segments2156 Certainly not!!! I'm a nerd!
Fun fact for the would-be bigots: Writers do not go back and write a character worse than other characters just because their actor is diverse.
The already-bigots know this, though they'll still trot out ye olde "forced diversity", this is for the people that might be buying into their bullshit.
@@SkidRowTrash Depends. What's your opinion on the fact that Hollywood has exclusively only ever forced white people into roles for decades, as in mandated that characters can only be white, something we have physical evidence of beyond a shadow of a doubt. something they are only recently, barely letting up on?
@@Peasham I think the main issue is now no matter how much people don't want to realize it but unfortunately Hollywood is a massive joke and just follows trends and this is not ment in any poor taste but since 2020 the massive movement by BLM has made the whole industry go "oh right we should add more black people" same with the Me Two movement etc.. You can go look up most upcoming (major films) they will have cast a person of color or race swapped another. I'm Latin and I personally can see behind this whole fake Hollywood propaganda like we love everyone etc.. I personally just want good people in rolls snd that fit the roll and I don't care if they are colored.
@@SkidRowTrash Nah, Black Panther almost never happened because a Disney higher-up thought people don't wanna watch media with black leads. White people are being forced into media to this day, exclusively by corporate mandates of course. In contrast, zero such evidence of "forced diversity" exists coming from company mandates, it's always just the creatives fighting tooth and nail for a chance to represent people. And yes, that's always what comes forward when creatives are able to speak freely, that they are the vast majority of the time barred from making their art diverse by higher-ups afraid of lost sales.
You're solely angry that people are pointing out how racism still exists. Keep being angry, I suppose, just don't attempt to spin it for me, I know what you truly mean.
It's so weird how Star Wars movie fans can be so racist, toxic and hateful. They hate Rey, Finn, Rose and Reva for being women, POC or both.
But then you look at the games and everyone loves Bastilla and Kreia from KOTOR 1 & 2, Cere and Trilla from Fallen Order. Even the cartoons had characters like Asajj Ventress, Ahsoka and Hera that are great female characters and they aren't even human!
Because they were all supporting characters, not the main leads.
These people are pathetic. They hide behind their bigotry by saying that it's just "criticism", but you can see a pattern with their "criticism". When they make a comic book character bi, suddenly it's woke and that is why manga is doing better than comics. See? It has nothing to do with writing or story. IF the reason why people are not reading a story is because a character is has more to their sexuality or they change some stuff that has nothing to do with writing, then that shows their bigotry.
Has nothing to do with tolerance. The big problem is the "woke" culture and the forced inclusivity and the saddest part is the lack of creativity of new writers and directors who have to take and destroy iconic characters and books already created to make politics out of it, like 007, Anne Boleyn, the Iliad, LOTR, etc... can give you many more examples. That is why all these adaptations are failing economically and generally have very bad reviews and the public does not like it, because for lovers of the original works, history and cinema this is nonsense If you want to be woke, all good, there is not a problem about it, but be original and do an interesting good deed that is liked regardless of the person's sexuality, color or gender.
@@caesaraugustus4563 The that's just it. Most of these people DON'T have any actual criticism with the writing, story telling, or any of the actual creative process. Calling something "woke" isn't criticism. Take for example Taxi Driver. If that same character was a gay black man and had the same story and structure, it wouldn't bad because of it. If they made Batman gay or black, but they manage to create one of the best written comic book movie or story, are you really going to say it sucks because of the characters' race, sexuality or gender?
There zero valid criticism for diversity, force or not. What matters is what they do with the story and the execution.
@@lunavioleta001 u right, (sorry for my English is not my mother tongue) what I want to say and I hate the most is to take characters and works (some centuries old) and change their sexuality, color and gender, already defined by the original author, if they want to do it, let them do it but not with works already originally defined, the lack of creativity is the biggest problem of the authors and directors of the 21st century, who have to take stories and works already created and defined to change them to make politics
@@caesaraugustus4563 I disagree that is wrong to change already "defined" characters, especially if the character were created in a time and in a genre or space that is dominated by straight and white.
And again, it doesn't make the story worse. I'm a huge Batman and Joker fan, but if they turn Batman into an actual gay bat that drinks blood and Joker into some female laughing dog, I wouldn't care because that in itself doesn't make a story worse. It is what they do with it that matters. The ONLY time where changing someone's sex, race or gender is when it is supposed to be base in real events and tragedy. For example, when Patch Adam change the gender of the best friend into female just so they can have a romance. You don't do that to modern day real people.
But with fictional characters, you can do anything to them.
@@lunavioleta001 I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you on this, if the original authors were white heterosexuals like me, it's not their fault, it seems that nowadays being white and heterosexual is demonized. It is an insult to the original creator of the work to blatantly change it in this way, and as a lover of reading I cannot agree at all, if they want to do this, they should create new works that engage and like people but do not destroy the memory of great authors or history to make politics, Greetings.
I'm a big critic of Star Wars lately, but she doesn't deserve this.
It's not all Star Wars "fans", but they know who they are and will never change. In fact, they'll just get worse.
The galaxy has no place for hate.
"The galaxy has no place for hate"
It's kinda ironic saying that if you see it from the in-universe POV. In SW universe, there's *a lot* of hate everywhere in the galaxy 😅. Hate & suffering.
I saw someone say if twitter was around back in the day they’d 100% give Billie Dee Williams shit for having the audacity to be black in a SW film. Used to watch this guy on YT until I realized he was one of those racist,homophobic, borderline incel sci-fi fans. I types up his channel just to see if he commented on this. Dude already had 2 vids bitching about Disney defending her. 🤡🤡🤡
@@androyus You know what I mean
Right but I'm sure they know this, they are only talking about the racist people.
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 I said "those "fans" know who they are"
The problem with Star Wars is that Disney fucked over the fans. It’s not the actors fault.
Disney does not care about diversity. If it did they wouldn’t have reduced John Boyaga face on on the Chinese posters.
The other problem Rey character arch was horrible and they turned Finn into the black comic relief, and by the way men are in Star Wars movies are buffoons.
You can have great female leads without shitting on the men.
Look at how Quentin Tarantino did the female actors in Kill Bill series.
Exactly. They put Moses in this position. They are playing her.
Thank you for talking about this. I’m tired of actors being attacked by “fans”. Especially, African descent female actresses, the fans in these environments. About Hayden Christiansen, I love the dude. I grew up with prequels & the-actually good Clone Wars animated series. The dude never got hate on par with the non-white dude actors. Hayden by many of those same toxic fans, was given the benefit of the doubt. Those fans held the script & the directing for the majority of what ruined the prequel movies & stunted Hayden’s acting responsible, ya know common sense. But that logical-benefit of the doubt hasn’t been applied to actors of color &/or women. But was a vocal cry-wolf by many fans to scream “anti-white”, “anti-male” & “agenda” to justify evil sh!t fans did or were about to say/do to the actors.
Hayden and the actor who played little anakin in the phantom menace got tons of hate, and the child actor had a breakdown.... i think he got the worst of the hate of all the fans compared to what they could psychologically handle at their age of development :/
Yeah you definitely have zero idea what you’re talking about lmaoo Hayden didn’t get as much hate?? Him and jake Lloyd had to play the prequel version of one of the most iconic characters in all of fiction, even if they were great (imo they did okay but I understand peoples frustration) they would’ve gotten hate regardless and they did it went way over the line. It actually impacted jakes life. It’s so funny to talk about an obvious minority saying racist shit compared to most of the criticism being about the character and actors performance. I don’t think they should attack her personally but let’s no act like this is a great character getting hate only for the actresses skin color and we know that’s not the case because of rasario Dawson being accepted as Ashoka, Giancarlo Esposito as Moff Gideon and fans frustrations with how Finn was mishandled by Disney. he was way more interesting than Rey and they fumbled his character. So you are either ignorant or pushing an agenda of your own
@@aurorauplinks yeah and that was awful, but he wasn't being targeted for his race or gender.
@@bobross8585 I agree, I was saying the majority of fan complaints is always because the acting/dialogue breaks from what they perceived the characters to be.
Only three episodes in and the fans are already going crazy. That's a new record XD
Technically, it was after the first two episodes last week right?!
Sadly it's not a new record lol
Oh you happy.
They did the same thing to Boyega and Tran. It's crazy that even in a galaxy far, far away where aliens are accepted, racism exists. What's crazy is that Vader, probably the 1st or 2nd most recognizable character in the universe, was voiced by a BROTHA!!!
Those racist aren't indicative of Star Wars fans. We're all trying to distance from that garbage.
I think it’s completely fine to critique and dissect a character and the writing but going after then actor/ actress is truly unacceptable. Like how much of a low life are you to be filled with so much hate.
Exactly. I hated Rose Tico, but that was the character. I have nothing against Kelly Marie Tran and am deeply ashamed of the bullying she got.
@@Linklex7 yea, i think the acting from Reeva is borderline bad, and at times it does feel like the forced strong female character, but youre either a closeted racist or an idiot if you feel the need to attack the actor online. Honestly im more bothered that grown ass adults cant catch a slow runnin lil Leia, hahah
@@Linklex7 I never saw any racist tweets, just the memes making fun of Rose, still wondering what people supposedly said. Kelly-Marie Tran actually wrote an open letter about how Hollywood was racist and treated actors like tokens, it was quite the interesting read.
@@Linklex7 that's what u get voting conservatives. Because conservatives are objectively racist and sexist and don't care about others. And if you think otherwise then u dumb because they literally are trying to remove trans rights from people. They are the real groomers. Trans are not groomers. And science supports transitioning and much more
Hot take: The prequels aren't that bad
I like her performance in the show, some of her lines aren't good but it isn't her fault. She doesn't deserve the hate that she is getting and I honestly believe the only reason she is getting hate is because she's a black woman.
Cold take: yes they are
@@melestrange7974 Have to disagree
I think she did great with what material she had.
But if Disney would focus more on actual good story telling, continuity, & plot instead SJW hiring practices then actors like her would stop getting flamed up. Disney is just churning out projects on an assembly line for content on Disney Plus.
The actors suffer for it. If ppl would actually listen to crews working they would see how bad it is over there. Disney hired 1st, write plot & story 2nd,. The scripts are changed daily & most takes are one shot which is why the dialogue is so bad and you get an inquisitor born in a galaxy far far away using AAVE or AF-AM short words such as "Ain't" instead of "are not."
@@dalrishardin9993 Well blame the executives, don't send threats and shit to the actors and actresses tbh
Doesn’t deserve the hate but she is a bad actor. Took me out of the show
She is awful, but these "fans" are so pathetic. If you are going to complain, complain to the people responsible not the actors but the producers, directors, etc
Fans are angry because Disney broke their own canon, basically denying everything that happened in rebels, the problem is the same as the sequels there is no continuity
What does that have to do with the actress?
@@bigbawlzlebowski8886 nothing, but sometimes people just look for an outlet to their anger, I am not saying is right, but some people can't not separate the ide or realize that the actor is just doing a job
Their hate is only fueling her to become even bigger and better. You could already tell that she carries the scenes that she is in.
Agreed. She’s powerful in every scene.
All this disgusting hate aside, she's pretty flat and boring for me. Just doesn't really have a presence. I'm not sure if it's the writing or her performance.
But when I imagine someone like Angela Bassett in her role with the same script, in my mind it feels like she would have done so much better with the material provided, despite how weak the writing is.
So I'm leaning on the actress not being very good. But it also could be the directing. I mean, she was good in the Tragedy of Macbeth. But even Oscar winning actors give bad performances.
Well, they probably couldn't fire her at this point even if she put "Beep/Bop/Boop" in her profile, since that would be bowing to the racists, so she doesn't really have to get better.
it's not how dare Rey be a woman, it's how dare they not bother to properly write Rey and her journey, jfc
Nerd culture is toxic af and I’m a (mixed race) nerd
Any fandom is toxic. Sports or Nerd. It sucks to see.
To be honest I'm not racist, but her acting is not really good...she overacts and try her best to look much more evil than Vader. It's my opinion, as so for a lot of other fans, but that not necessarily put a racist stamp on our face because we said so. What an incredible world we live in.
Same thing happened to Kurt Russell's son who played US agent in falcon and the winter soldier, he received death threats and backlash cause his character.
Why did receive death threats??
@@Gideon13397 cause the character he was playing
I mean let's be real here this isn't a justified reason to do that but he wasn't getting those because he was white he was getting those because he wasn't attractive and playing a douchey character
I think she sucked in it, but I blame it more on the director than on the actress because her acting isn't the only problem in the series.
Star Wars fans can be so toxic. Leaves the actresses alone! It's not their fault!
These aren’t fans, of anything. They’re just a part of a growing army of perma-online loner guys who, like teenagers that don’t know how to properly communicate with girls they like, resort to endlessly criticising and moaning. Unfortunately for them, they have been super energised by channels like Nerdrotic and the Critical Drinker to think it’s okay to constantly scream any time they see a black person or woman on their tv. The only hope for them is thar they soon grow out of this phase and realise that adults define themselves and others by that which they enjoy, not despise.
Yeah, nobody should take those videos seriously. Justice for Moses!!!
I have nothing to say except - I've liked Star Wars since 1977 and I love Reva. Good for Moses Ingram! Stay strong! 💗
This upsets me so much. I don't understand how people can act like that. On top of it all, I actually got uncomfortable when a friend said he hated Reva not for being an antagonistic Inquisitor but rather he thought she was simply an unlikable whining brat in general. Okay, but you know how you can catch these kind of fools talking like that? Ask them if they like Anakin from the prequel trilogy, and if they say they always did, then something is off. Reva is written as a mirror to Anakin, she's supposed to be insubordinate and hot headed. So why does Anakin get a pass but she doesn't? She hasn’t even gotten a full character arc and people are already quick to judge.
humans haven’t evolved if this is how people act
The writing for both sucks
I think there are people who had the same issue with both characters. Teenage Anakin was laughable to me. As for Reva, the character felt a bit "off," but I'm hoping it'll improve with time and a better director. In any case, I think it's a step beyond sanity to send anyone hate mail over something like this.
@@cSTEPHEN855 then it’s a fair statement to make. But that’s not the problem I have. I take issue on those who loved Anakin but hate the yet to be completed character Reva.
@@MsSphinx91 If it’s both of them, then that’s no problem. I’m asking why there are those that give Anakin a pass but not Reva. The series hasn’t fully revealed her true character or built her up yet. Weather it’s good directing or not is something else but the storytelling intention and acting of her being a reflection of Anakin is there. Anakin was a big stiff, awkward whiner and blamed everyone from the start. If anything, he had a worse go at it. But if any recent fan reaction shows, Hayden and his portrayal of Anakin is like the second coming of Jesus now and still under the same breathe they can make a quick judgement call on Reva who hasn’t had a full character arc. It just makes no sense.
This is why fans are called the Fandom Menace
Y’know, I don’t want to just blindly dismiss any and all criticisms leveled against the Star Wars sequels (as someone who loves Force Awakens), but when so much of the community is so toxic and nasty, it really does make me not want to meet them on any level.
I try to avoid meeting fans of anything I like at this point. I went to 2 Magic the Gathering Friday Nights, and boy did they kill my "Cardboard Crack" addiction I had over a couple months. Not toxic mind you, but complete try-hards (and generally unkempt and smelly) who think they're in The Poker World Tournament with actual money on the line ... there is none. And even if there was, they'd just spend it all on more holofoil cardboard.
Words of Wisdom: If you ever want to stop your addiction of ANY piece of media, go meet their fans.
And Remember: You can't spell "fanatic" without "fan".
This all comes from channels like the Quartering or Geeks and Gamers. Those dudes dog whistle racism constantly. It’s pretty pathetic
Can't stand star wars fanatics or Disney franchise they bring alot of toxicity, John Bodega said he will NEVER do star wars again, I don't blame him.
but by quitting you give into the bullies he should come back & make them salty
Hayden was given terrible lines to say and his acting was terrible. I hate that, not the actor. The stories were bad and it's not the actors who are to blame. People hate Catwoman, not the actress who played her. We can hate the story, we can complain about bad acting, but hating the actor is way out of line.
I thought the recent Star Wars hate for Ridley was because people felt a bait and switch and were hoping that John Boyega was going to be a trooper to a Jedi.
I could be wrong either way this show is just okay. Nothing amazing, nothing bad, just okay.
That was a bait and switch with Boyega.
People disliking Rey the character for whatever reason is fine, I didn't like the character myself. The problem is when people turn not liking the character into harassing the actress playing it when she's not the one who wrote or directed the movies.
You are wrong. It was because she is a woman and he is a black man. It is ok, in your life, if you have never seen racism or misogyny. However if you encounter even the littlest whispers that it is happening, IT IS. You know how you know it's true, if you have ever been made to feel less than, it's the same feeling and you would never be denied how you felt
@@jgirlinluv55 that is one side of the conversation, maybe, but boyega himself came out and said racism. He's British so I don't understand why he would lie
@@blackmannum1 Great a crazy person.
Okay thanks for assuming 1st without asking questions genius.
I’m Nicaraguan and Cuban, you know what that is? Afro Latino, miss me with the lectures psycho, I have gotten enough morons telling me I couldn’t do anything and they weren’t all white.
People felt the idea of a STORM trooper becoming a Jedi was fascinating and felt it would of been a better story line. We ended up with someone as unlikable as Hayden and Jake. Bait and Switch.
Learn to read the room before you start mouthing off.
Also, believing someone because they are British is the dumbest thing I have read for 2022. ANYONE CAN LIE. Boyega called Disney racist or did you conveniently leave that out….
Disney is one hypocritical ass company. Where was all this "defending" when Gina Carano had different politics?
"DiFfeReNt PoLiTiCs"
Bitch being harrassed for being black and being criticized for being a transphobe are not the same.
A segment of fans have always viewed these franchises (Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings) as their own private domain. A very male, very white, and very heterosexual domain. Regardless of what the actual creators say.
Devils advocate here: it's the way those worlds were written. Decades on decades of established lore & characters. These companies (that are just chasing profit btw) change so many things, characters, their back story, lore, design, landscapes etc & have the nerve to use the same name. If you've been a fan of something for over 50yrs, you'd be upset too.
2nd: why do we need their lore? Why can't we simply make our own. I'm a black male & white liberal wokeness keeps trying to speak for me & tell me how I should feel & is missing the big picture.
I didn't need to see black ppl in LOTR to relate to it. You simply relate to the story. Giving my ppl black characters in stories where they don't fit isn't really approving black ppl lives tangibly. Think about it, most of the ppl mad at the "toxic fandom" are white SJW's. Blk ppl are too busy with the horrors of the real world to give one damn about the internet or Hollywood diversity hires. That's just the truth.
Woke was our term, used to highlight systemic injustices that continue to hurt, imprison, & kill my ppl on a daily basis. But white liberals took it, made it a political tool, & use it to give us symbolic things instead of really policy changes that woyld actually impact our lives.
What does orientation have to do with it?
I'm not taking her word for it. In most cases it's just a black woman taking criticism for not being great in something and they blame "racism"... Let's hear these comments.. ONE? Can you let us know ONE of them. I call BS. Not only that, it's pretty obvious to anyone paying attention.
she showed screencaps...
One of them told her that "she was not the first N-word in Star Wars", another mentionned George Floyd, another called her "diversity hire", and there was also one of them saying "if i wanted to watche the Fresh Prince, i would have subscribed to Peacock"...
What if you made a simple google search before you share your stupid opinion online?
The fandom is kind of the reason I'm embarrassed to consider myself a casual Star Wars fans. Not just the horrible comments given to the actors and filmmakers, but also the grifters that just profit off their hate. And it seems like they can't be respectful towards others when it comes to their opinions on the movies or shows, to the point where I question if the original trilogy was even that good to begin with.
Say what y'all want about the killers' motivation in the recent Scream movie, if y'all got pissed off at that, you're kind of proving their point on fandom.
I used to root for Jackie Robinson til all the whites got involved, then I was like, why bother?
I can't speak for you, but imo the original trilogy isn't great. Revolutionary? influential? Yes. But good? It depends on how much you can stomach camp or cheesiness.
If you're going to be a Star Wars fan, then you're saying to all that you're ok with corny movies and tv. It's fine. I'm a big star wars fan, but not for it's corny stuff. Sometimes star wars rises above and actually gets really good. Mandalorian, the animated series', Rogue One, Solo, some moments in the prequels and sequels give me goosebumps. The books are amazing.
Just... don't try to act like this star wars shit ain't corny in general. Like it for what it is. Praise it when it does stuff right.
My problem with the ugly minority of super loud super fans is that they're getting all strung out about something as cheesy and campy as Star Wars. They listened to Mark Hamill complain about power converters in that whiny voice and then take it seriously when other things in the star wars universe sucks like that. Smh.
John Boyega received tons of racist backlash when the first Star Wars trailer he was in came out. Revealing him as a Strom trooper. And Kelly Tran received so much racism also. People try to mention Lando, but ignore how the actor who voiced Jar Jar Binks getting so much hatred.
also, Billy Dee Williams received racist messages too when he was cast
@@segments2156 I believe it
The level of disrespect
I haven't been paying attention to this because I'm not a hardcore Star Wars fan, but let me guess: These people are saying run of the mill things like "Get woke go broke!" and "Leftist writers have ruined it."
It's one thing to not be a fan of somebody's acting, but racist comments over it? It's 2022. Grow up.
Sad thing is, it's not all of us but the ones who are doing it makes us look bad. Even outside the Fandom starwars fans will get brought up as the most toxic.
I think you shouldn’t underestimate how much of this backlash is actually outside of the fandom, and instead a large portion of constantly online, lonely men who feed on culture war bs that channels like Nerdrotic pump out for clicks, subs and ultimately money.
Are you in a tv show and are black or a woman? These guys will find a way to hate you.
Love your nickname. :)
@@miniman2132 Don't forget The Quartering, Geeks and Gamers, Yellow flash etc
As a Star Wars fan, I think the Star Wars fandom is the worst.
Some Star Wars fans are the most entitled people.
This isn’t the first time.
The actress who played “Rose” in the sequel trilogy endured a lot of racism and death threats. Completely disgusting. I’ll never be ashamed of my fandom, but I’m embarrassed that these types of fans exist.
This happened with America Chavez actress too. I hate this behavior.
It’s always very odd to me when people want fictional characters to be a certain race. Very, very strange.
Or don't want new characters to ever be a certain race again...which seems to be happening. I don't think we'll ever get a new white male hero in Star Wars movies. I'm black. Not stumping for white people, but I see what's going on and these fans aren't too far off. They're just getting to vitriolic about it. There IS something there.
I do not hate the actor, i hate the character. Reva is a very bad written and acted character in my opinion. It is ok for you to like it and for me to hate it.
I think I figured out the game. You can hire an actor/actress of color and don't have to bother making their character or script any good. Because, if anybody criticizes it, you can just scream racism. The trolls that attack this actress are low lives, but there are a lot of normal people who think she's really bad. Take race and being a woman out of the equation for a minute. The actress who plays Reva is bad, her acting is terrible. The way she delivers her lines felt so wooden. People are always focusing on race and gender that you can't even see when an actress just plain sucks.
Maybe because the people trolling her are using racial epithets and threats because of her skin. I myself feel if acting is bad then criticism is fair. But in this case it is more based on her skin. So let's stop acting blind to this behavior and trying to pass it off as something different.
u insane. if people point out her race and make race, gender based hateful comments then ofc we focus on race!!! if you dislike someones acting thats all fine. but leave out race and gender.
dont underestimate the racism of this fanbase. espically the ones whi make racebased hatred comments. So whats you talking about
Condemning racism should not stop you from criticizing the work at hand.
@@TheSmily4ever Okay, take race out of the picture, go back and look at the first two episodes again, can you honestly tell me the actress who played Reva was good?
Problem is, these trolls are a sizeable but vocal minority of fandom’s whose voices get amplified. Aka the Taibbi thesis.
That picture of Daisy Ridley looks like she's about place a curse on people.
My parents and I watched Obi-Wan this past weekend and we enjoyed it. They also love Moses Ingram performance in the show. I’m going to keep watching Obi-Wan Kenobi to support Moses Ingram. She doesn’t deserve this unnecessary hate and bullying. Star Wars is for everyone of a different race and gender
Yes , good point. I love the show and her.
Also I hope they do make a show for her, just to make them heaters even more mad , Lol
Star Wars has the most toxic fans. Even George Lucas got so sick of them, he sold it to Disney and said, Here this is you're problem now.
I’m not huge Star Wars fan more of a casual fan, I watched the first half of the first episode and liked Moses’ character. The character seemed brutal, cold hearted, and like she had something to prove. But hey weirdos gonna be weird🤷🏽♂️
They blowing her name up so much with the hate.. there may be a Reva show on Disney + coming
Star Wars fans are so bottom tier honestly