Automotive designers spends large amounts of time shaving individual grams of weight from their vehicles to help with increasingly rigid fuel economy standards and to leverage performance. Most definitely cost is a factor, it always is, but to dismiss 9000 grams so quickly is quite uninformed (especially when the weight can be removed so easily and quickly). Not to mention that a spare tire, with wheel and jack etc is often noticeably more than 20lbs.
Why? I’ve been driving for over 40y. I’ve never changed a tire through 9 cars, and innumerable miles in them, plus rentals. I have had about 4 flats. Aired them up, drove to a shop.
@@Fabulousprofound168 90+% of the drivers I see nowadays can't even back into a parking spot without using their back up camera, you think they're going to be capable of safely changing a tire on a busy highway?
That sounds dumb. YOU are paying for that spare tire either way. Or, just get a cheap compressor that plugs into the cigarette lighter for less money. Or hit up a salvage yard for a spare tire.
Many cars sold without a spare have very poor reliability anyway. Something else is more likely to leave you stranded vice a flat tire so no reason to include one.
Not selling for extra, not even a void to equip a spare if you wanted to do so. There are some very long lonely highways around, and a flat could be quite costly. Had a car with no spare, got rid of it now have car with a spare that is even more effieient. They should at least SELL you empty space that you can choose to equip with a spare or use extra storage. Hmm wonder how much empty space costs to manufacture?
@@JackBlack-ii1ip Those stupid low profile tires will pop wheels a regular tire won't. the tire warranty should have road hazard coverage included in the warranty
@@davidchurchill1651 those tires are more expensive and give bad MPGs, also in many occasions, the tire is destroyed to the point where you must use an spare tire
Consumers demanding lower and lower prices.......................did you think the manufacture was a charity and going to give you things for free?????
Important to also note: the patch kits also expire. We were driving with friends on a back country road when the tire blew. There was no spare and the inflater liquid was solid as a rock. Fortunately, we did have just enough cell phone coverage to have friends come to the rescue. So check your inflation kit expiration date!
As a gearhead and automotive minimalist, I'd be OK with only front seats. eliminate all the nanny devices too. No more video screens, radio is optional.
Before you get a driver's license or graduate high school they should make you take a class in car maintenance 101. This class would teach you how to change and air up a tire. How to check all fluids, light bulbs, wiper blades, air filters, oil changes, fuel filter if it has one, cabin filters, and other basic stuff. Now days the schools districts want to cut budget and get rid of the automotive programs.
@@alelectric2767it’s about car management and being able to get yourself out of trouble just like some places you need to do a cpr course as part of your learners permit.
Tell that to all the immigrants who don't care and just go out and buy a brand new 60+k car on there monthly child tax benefits, EI...etc government incentives.
I look at the MOT history of used cars and the amount that are failing or getting advisories for worn tyres is ridiculous. Drivers don’t seem to think about doing basic checks these days.
I went to the junkyard and bought a spare tire because wheter the original tire blown out and the road assistance sometimes take too long to get the customer
One thing about the tire sealant foam. If you don't drive a sufficient distance, the stuff will run to the lowest point inside the tire and harden. Then your tire will need to be replaced.
Definately not new to this, I too had to buy a spare tire kit to complete my vehicle and this was over 4yrs ago. I felt it's essential as I not only drive in urban areas I also travel in rural areas where shops and tow services are not redidly available. Cost me about $350.00 at the time but it's peace of mind.
In the UK, we purchased a Ford Focus CC convertible, no spare provided. Cost of spare wheel? £65. Tyre? £60. Total cost £125. on a car that cost £18,00 from new in 2008.
I just bought a new $75,000 Mercedes Benz C300 and it doesn’t have a spare tire! The dealer told me it has “run-flat” tires, so I don’t need it. (what?) Those “run-flat” tires are limited in speed and distance and are unrepairable. The dealer said that if I do get a flat, I have to drive to the nearest tire shop and order a new tire to be installed. Yeah? What if I’m on a road trip and the tire shop is closed? Then, I have to drive to a motel to stay for the night until the tire shop is open the next day? What if they have to order the tire specially for my specific car and it takes a couple of days or weeks to be delivered? That means I have to stick around for a couple of days or weeks? What a “slap-in-the-face” insult to me as a buyer of a prestigious $75,000 car! 😡
Well, if it's any consolation, you won't have to worry about how your elegant $900 Ferragamo loafers could get scuffed or your prestigious $1,600 Brioni wool pants could get damaged if you had to change a tire out in some godforsaken rural district.
Yep, I feel your pain. Same for a used E-class I was very tempted by recently. No space in the boot for a space-saver spare so I told the salesman 'no thanks' and walked away to look at Volvos.
I can remember When you'd have to put in an inertube, before you could inflate a flat tire, you mostly had to jack up the car by the front Or back bumper.
Car manufacturers ARE'NT stopping giving spare wheels because they're heavy and they want to make the car more efficient. Simple truth is that they save money by not providing one whilst still charging the prices of when they did. It's just profit chasing, simple as that. 🤷♂️🤦♂️
It had been years since I had a flat, but this summer I got a cut in a tire which was not repairable. It was a Friday evening and I was basically in the middle of nowhere on a rural highway, 200 miles from home. Fortunately I had checked the air in my donut spare recently so I drove slowly (under 50 mph) home. If I had not had that spare tire then a tow truck or any other option would have been extremely expensive and time-consuming given where I was and the fact that it was Friday after business hours.
I’m a disabled driver, I came back to my Nissan in the pouring rain I discovered a flat: I simply got out the tyre sealant, blew it up and went home. Believe me, far less trouble than attempting to change a tyre in the piddling rain, especially being disabled.
Please if you use the spare "Donut" tire , drive at the recommended speed. Called out to a traffic roll over on the freeway and the vehicle had a spare tire Donut on the rear and a witness said the car was driving at a high rate of speed around 75 mph and it just slid out of control and rolled over. These spares are rated not to exceed 45 - 55 mph , read the side wall and are meant for short distance driving. Drive Cautious ⚠️
Its not practical for everyone but i always keep an air pump in my car and plug kit so i can pump the tire back up till i can get somewhere safe to fix it
My biggest issue is that they also took away the space for the spare without increasing trunk space at all. I would happily buy my own donut spare of full size spare, but it won't fit.
I completely agree. A few weeks ago I was about to buy a used car then found out that even if I bought a space-saver spare myself, it wouldn't fit in the boot recess provided! Had to walk away from that sale purely because of that issue - thanks Mercedes!
My daughter bought a Kia Soul and then she realized it didn't have a jack or spare. I ordered a doughnut tire on amazon and bought her a jack and wrench at a U-pull junk yard. Thank goodness a month later she had a flat in the middle of nowhere and I had showed her how to change it.
So car manufacturers might give you an air pump instead. How does THAT make sense? If a tire going flat and doesn't hold air, how's an air pump supposed to help?
Mine was losing it slowly. Every few days I had to pump it. I'd taken it in 3x before they finally found the issue. Kind of crazy. But yeah, now I have a pump in my emergency kit. I have had a large puncture, and in that case 100% useless. Needs repair or replace. I have an older SUV so I still have a spare full size tire, thankfully. Also, got CAA. My friend had a similar slow leak issue amd we had to pump every hour to get home 3 hours away. But we did.
To be fair, I had a thick needle like object puncture my tire and after inflating it, I was able to drive a little further to the closest tire repair shop. Obviously not a substitute for a spare tire, but it could help in some situations.
If you're on your automotive game, just pick up a spare that fits at a local junkyard. Try it for fit to make sure. If you have space, a full-size spare is best. Then when you have a flat you can run it however long you have to until you can fix/ replace the tire.
Here in the UK, it’s the same story, and if you’ve had to use one of these aerosol cans, the tyre has to be replaced. You also get three penalty points for a worn tyre, and lose your licence if you reach twelve - you get them for other things, too.
I just bring a full size wheel with me, spare tires cannot go very far or very fast. if you are driving just slightly out side the city in the prairies you'd be hard pressed to find a tire shop, or, one that's open.
I just keep driving my 23 year old Nissan Sunny with it's full size spare hidden in the trunk, underneath the mat. I also carry a 12 volt inflator pump, just in case the spare is low on air. Gives so much more peace of mind 😅
Was going to buy a mustang a few years ago. I always check out the spare. It had no spare. I even told the sales person that it was a stupid idea and walked away from it. I replaced the space saver tyre in my wife’s car with a full grown one, best thing I ever done
It won’t be long before such things as; _steering wheel, seatbelts and windows_ … will be extra “options” that you’ll have to buy when you’re shopping for a new car.
Worst idea especially in the beginning of winter when most Flats occur. you get towed to the tire shop and you have to wait a day or 2 just for them to get to your car close the tire shop so backed up
Recently bought a 2014 prius plug-in. It doesn't have room to fit a spare 'cause of the bigger battery it has compared to the standard prius non plug-in (which does come with a spare). Instead it comes with a tire inflator and tire sealant that's since expired. Since I work from home, I ended up buying a spare that I leave in the garage in case my wife gets a flat tire to/from work or wherever.
If you use a can of sealant on your tire, it will damage the sensor for the Tire Pressure Monitor. It will put a sealant coating inside of the wheel which will have to be cleaned out with solvents. Expensive! Best to have a tire pump and a flat tire repair kit in your car. Pull out the nail or tack that went in to the tire, and insert the patch-string with the provided tools in the repair kit. Then re-inflate the tire with the pump. If you had nitrogen filled tires, you can go back to the garage that has the nitrogen machine and they can let out the air and fill the tire back with nitrogen.
My car came with no spare at all so I've just spent around £140 for another wheel, a new tyre for it and of course a jack and wrench as those aren't supplied either. Now my car boot is full before I consider luggage, that has to go on the back seat.
Breakers yard for the wheel, a universal scissor jack and a 4 way wheel brace, mine I carry a length of pipe to put over the arm of the brace for leverage,( it's undefeated with tight wheel nut removal) 😊 the brace, ext bar and jack you can keep and take car to car.
I have a 2014 Acura ILX. I replaced the doughnut spare with a full size steel wheel and it doesn't affect my gas millage. I still average 30mpg. I actually did get a flat earlier this year and use said spare tire for over a week and had zero issues.
I remember when I rented a 2024 Toyota Prius 2 months ago. I had a flat tire in Los Angeles. The car came with a fix a flat kit along with an air compressor.
It’s just cost cutting. It was a dealer option when I bought my car. Had to pay extra for them to swap out the tire inflator kit under the trunk floor for a real spare.
It's a cost saving move. My brother in law and I bought our Acura MDX around the same time. I got the top of the line and I have a spare in my trunk and he got the lower trim and his didn't come with a spare (and only came with a tire fixing kit). When he got a flat, he called me for my spare because the tire fixing kit was useless. I had my car for about 10 years and actually used my spare tire a few times already. It's a necessity.
2016 mustang, no spare. Came with a 12 volt compressor with a cartridge of fix a flat built into the pump. Had to clean all that crap out of the tire when I got it fixed.
My work bought dodge promaster citys that didnt come with spare tire or equipment. When we tried to get the spare tire holders that go under the back end they were on back order for months. Then the jacks were three months to get. Unbelivable!!!
that's been happening for decades. they don't lower the price of a car without a spare. I remember when all new cars came with a big spare. always keep a can of flat fix with you, and an air pump. I had a flat on my 93 caddy this summer. the spare had never been used. I had to pump it up with my electric air pump and got home. my daddy always said. Always have a backup.
If your spare is that old, it's likely to fall apart after a few miles. The molecular structure breaks down and it becomes weak. I learned that from experience. And mine was only 17 years old.
They're NOT trying to make them lighter so they're more efficient, they're just charging the same for the car and charging you extra for stuff that was always standard. It's just greedy car manufacturers ripping off their customers even more than before.
Also a lot of them use the tyre space to put in a huge battery so that the same body shell can run a diesel engine, an economy petrol engine, , a sporty turbo charged petrol engine , and the plug in hybrid engine with a battery.
my car is 30 years old and the spare has never been used. ten years ago i replaced all the tires including the spare. recently i checked my new spare and it was flat. i also own a truck thats 24 years old and its spare has never been used. apparently im tire smart. replace tires when necessary and check them once in a while. will save the headache of changing a flat on the road.
Yeah I don't think it has anything to do with gas. I was surprised it didn't have one. There's an air pump. Somebody didn't think that through and now there's no spot for a spare if I buy one either.
My daughter bought a Kia Soul that came without a spare tire. I was able to purchase her one from the Kia dealership, and there was a spot in a well to store it.
To save the company a ton of money. I once had a tire going flat on my 2014 Hyundai Elantra. I got out the inflater kit and correctly connected it and the damn thing would not run. I had just removed it from its bubble wrap packaging. So fortunately, it was on a weekday during business hours, so I quickly made it to a tire store. When I got home, I went online and ordered a spare tire kit. Included was a donut spare tire, jack and tire tool and the bolt to secure it to the floor in the tire well.
I'll be the contrarian. Tires are MUCH more robust today than they were 50 years ago. Most tires can take a nail and still hold air - the TPMS will let the driver know that the pressure is low giving them time to drive to a garage or tire shop to have the tire fixed or replaced. The reality is that 98% of car drivers today would not even know how to remove the flat tire and replace it with a spare so they would be calling for help anyway. Although this used to be a BIG DEAL (100 years ago, cars used to carry 2 spare wheels/tires!), it has now become more of an edge case, something that most drivers will encounter only once every 5 or 10 years. Not worth it to provide a full-size spare tire, or even a mini-spare anymore.
I disagree. Without at least a donut spare, this summer I would have been stranded 200 miles from home on a remote rural highway where I was probably 100 miles from the nearest tire shop. And it was Friday evening when a tire shop might not be open until Monday. Of course, the donut spare is not designed to drive 200 miles but I didn't have a choice. Pissed me off that the dead real tire would not fit in the compartment where the donut is stored. If I had had a bunch of luggage I don't know where they think I could have put the real tire that was flat. If a car at least has a spare that fits, then any tow truck driver or halfway mechanical person can swap on the spare. Without a spare, but with a bad flat, you have no choice but to get towed somewhere and wait for business hours.
Before purchasing our 7 passenger SUV that was one thing I opened the trunck for. Wife was surprised that, that was very important to me. Yes it should be a standard across all manufacturers.
This summer while driving from High Level to Edmonton, an 8 hour drive, had a flat south of Slave Lake. Luckily my wife's 2021 Buick Enclave had a spare donut and got me to Edmonton, still at highway speed.
I own a 2017 Acura TLX without a spare tire. It comes with a "Fix a flat kit" basically a temporary fix that only works if your tire is punctured. If your tire is popped you're screwed. If you want a spare tire they will sell you a spare tire kit at the Acura dealership for hundreds of dollars. Mind you that car costed at least 45K brand new
I've got a 2016 vehicle. It did not come with a spare tire. If I do install one, it'll be a donut. Where do you put the full size flat tire? Ridiculous!
I just bought a Honda Sport Civic hybrid. I could do without heated seats, moon roof, keyless entry, and a several other features I didn't want or need but have to pay for, but now I have to buy a spare tire or extra wheel and put it in the storage compartment.
Starting in 1998, the spare tire area (usually in the trunk) was no longer required to be big enough to handle a full-size tire that went flat. Be careful -- "donut" tires rot after a number of years. I was able to get full-size stamped steel wheels for both of my 91-02 plastic Saturns. Full-size spare takes up space in the trunk -- but I am protected.
Strange that no one commented that the Space Saver tyre should never be fitted to the front wheels, requiring that a front wheel puncture should be should be swapped with a real wheel and and the "doughnut" then fitted to the rear. And this is progress!
If they only knew how many times I've had a flat tire, including blowouts on the highway. I will NEVER buy a car that doesn't come with a spare tire. Yes, I'm looking at you, 2023-2025 Honda CRV Hybrid!
That is because not many know how to replace a tyre. I have invested in a spare wheel - way easier, just a couple of minutes and I am rolling again - used it as late as last month.
I ended up buying a full size spare wheel for my BMW as they did not make a space saver tyre in the same diameter as the rest of the wheels. I read that using a space saver of the wrong diameter would cause substantial transmission damage. I was very surprised BMW were not aware of that. Even if it caused no damage having one odd diameter wheel would make it dangerous to steer anyway especially in the wet.
And the patch spray is not recommended if your tires are equipped with a Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS). The spray can damage the TPMS gauge (at $75 each!).
Not having a spare tyre only increases the risk of accidents happening. Especially, if you have broken down on the side of a motorway. It should be a law to make manufacturers provide spare tyres. Unless car manufacturers can invent James Bond technology where the tyre automatically re- inflates after a puncture. Any one remembers Tomorrow Never Dies?
It's been 20 years since my last flat tire. I used to get flats every few years. Tires are better quality and safety inspectors are strict. My last 2 flats were on low profile rims. Avoid low profile rims and cheap tires. Look for imperfections and take them back before the warranty ends.
They did away with safety inspections in my state, which I think was stupid! I just replaced a paper-thin brake rotor on my friend's truck. I wouldn't let him drive it home before I checked his brakes.
Punctures generally come in clusters I've found,,I've had 3 within a month previously, and I can't remember the last time I had a flat, decades ,rather than years I'd say.
@@ianhill4585 exactly happened to me, further more, patched once and I got punctured twice at the edge so I had to replace a new tire twice! It was a costly couple months and I was afraid to drive anywhere after LOL
Both my cars which are 1 years old and 4 years old respectively have full size spare tires. They are both hybrids and it does not affect fuel economy at all.
Some new cars don’t even have a place within the car to hold a spare tyre not even a space saver tyre. Run flat or self sealing tyres are now the favoured tyres from manufacturers.
A spare tire weighs 20lbs. Do NOT say it's to help fuel efficiency. It's purely a cost cutting measure.
Americans are getting fatter. 20lbs is 20lbs. 😉
That extra large meal with a diet soda is no longer working. 🤪
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@@jasoncrandall73🙄🙄🙄
Automotive designers spends large amounts of time shaving individual grams of weight from their vehicles to help with increasingly rigid fuel economy standards and to leverage performance. Most definitely cost is a factor, it always is, but to dismiss 9000 grams so quickly is quite uninformed (especially when the weight can be removed so easily and quickly). Not to mention that a spare tire, with wheel and jack etc is often noticeably more than 20lbs.
A spare tire should be made mandatory by law … it’s a safety issue 🤬
Why? I’ve been driving for over 40y. I’ve never changed a tire through 9 cars, and innumerable miles in them, plus rentals. I have had about 4 flats. Aired them up, drove to a shop.
It's definitely a huge safety issue. Stupid bean counters design cars nowadays 😠
@@Fabulousprofound168 90+% of the drivers I see nowadays can't even back into a parking spot without using their back up camera, you think they're going to be capable of safely changing a tire on a busy highway?
Jeff Clark drive through the Sahara without a spare! Go right ahead.
Taking it out was a regulation passed by obama that caused it
If you ask me, spare tires should not only be standard, but also mandatory.
I wonder if steering wheels are next?
@@scrambler69-xk3kvswitching from steering wheels to handle bars lol
Its ridiculous not supplying spare tires for new cars. Greedy manufacturers. 😮
That sounds dumb. YOU are paying for that spare tire either way.
Or, just get a cheap compressor that plugs into the cigarette lighter for less money. Or hit up a salvage yard for a spare tire.
@@paulstandaert5709 they're not giving you the option is my point.
Consumers have options vote with your wallet
Its a regulation passed by obama that caused it
That’s why u get “run-flat tires”, “self-sealing tires”, or tire slime.
30k for a Honda Civic. Doesn't come with a spare tire? Insane times.
40k+ for a GMC acadia and terrain at the time we were looking for SUV. No spare so we purchase from another brand plus less APR.
That’s why u get “run-flat tires”, “self-sealing tires”, or tire slime.
Don’t ever use tire sealant. They will destroy your tpms
Many cars sold without a spare have very poor reliability anyway. Something else is more likely to leave you stranded vice a flat tire so no reason to include one.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q Almost all manufacturers, including Toyota, started excluding spare tires on certain models.
Spare tires should be mandatory!
Learning how to drive should be mandatory too.
@@Ilikeryche learning how to drive is simple , but with common sense is difficult !
The greed of businesses is totally out of hand.
Its a regulation passed by obama that caused it
A better statement is: government allow this to happen?
The consumer is demanding the world for free..............They haven't figured out it'll never happen.
These companies are following Apple strategy. Remove a feature and sell it for extra.
Not selling for extra, not even a void to equip a spare if you wanted to do so. There are some very long lonely highways around, and a flat could be quite costly. Had a car with no spare, got rid of it now have car with a spare that is even more effieient. They should at least SELL you empty space that you can choose to equip with a spare or use extra storage. Hmm wonder how much empty space costs to manufacture?
Not only that but now you cannot even package a spare tire on most cars since they reused that space for other purposes.
Why does Apple charge over $1400 for a phone? Because they can
Next they will charge a monthly subscription fee and you will need a Smart Phone to activate the compressor.
Right!!
the sealant might be ok if there is a puncture, if there is a tear, those are useless.
Right, low profiles mean that you can't fit an inner tube. Call that progress, cos I don't.
You’re absolutely right, as my wife found out a week ago. ☹️
@@JackBlack-ii1ip
Those stupid low profile tires will pop wheels a regular tire won't. the tire warranty should have road hazard coverage included in the warranty
Why include a spare tire when they can force you to buy one.
Don’t forget many cars don’t even have a spare tire well anymore so be prepared to lose your trunk space as well (eg. BMW)
And Honda.Cibic. and Toyota Prius. And Hyundai Accent@@Fabulousprofound168
Of course BMW, trash will always be trash, expensive overengineered hard to repair and UNRELIABLE, @@Fabulousprofound168
That’s why u get “run-flat tires”, “self-sealing tires”, or tire slime.
@@davidchurchill1651 those tires are more expensive and give bad MPGs, also in many occasions, the tire is destroyed to the point where you must use an spare tire
Another sign of the failing automotive industry. $60k and it doesn’t even come with a spare tire. Our ancestors would not buy this crap.
In the olden days that had to patch the tires when they went flat.
When my dad bought a new car in 70's he was told the tires were tubeless, he made them put tubes in before he would buy the car.
@@GO-cz7cl in the olden days we rode horses. so what?
I personally like the older cars with the bigger trunk that way you can put a normal size tire in there for when you have a flat.
Exactly!
And more the one body😅
Give you less and put the price up works well for the manufacturer
It doesn't lower production cost.
It increases profit.
It's the same thing.
Consumers demanding lower and lower prices.......................did you think the manufacture was a charity and going to give you things for free?????
Important to also note: the patch kits also expire. We were driving with friends on a back country road when the tire blew. There was no spare and the inflater liquid was solid as a rock. Fortunately, we did have just enough cell phone coverage to have friends come to the rescue. So check your inflation kit expiration date!
shake it frequently so it could not be turn as rock solid
Pretty soon, you will pay for extra seats as it will only come with a drivers seat only😅😅😅😅
sadly you’re probably right 😅
Don't give them ideas
And the air that passes through the air cleaner. They will be charging for that too.
As a gearhead and automotive minimalist, I'd be OK with only front seats. eliminate all the nanny devices too. No more video screens, radio is optional.
Dodge Demon!
Yeah I always hated those donuts but at least having a donut is better than not having one at all
Limited to 50mph
Changing a flat tire should be part if drivers test.
Before you get a driver's license or graduate high school they should make you take a class in car maintenance 101. This class would teach you how to change and air up a tire. How to check all fluids, light bulbs, wiper blades, air filters, oil changes, fuel filter if it has one, cabin filters, and other basic stuff. Now days the schools districts want to cut budget and get rid of the automotive programs.
Yeah especially if you’re handicapped, it’s funny watching a cripple trying to work on a car 🤪
@@oldschooldude3500 That only makes sense if cars come with spare tires.
Changing a tire has nothing to do with your ability to drive.
@@alelectric2767it’s about car management and being able to get yourself out of trouble just like some places you need to do a cpr course as part of your learners permit.
Engines blowing up on new vehicles now they wont give you a spare wakey wakey. We need to push back as citizens
As a mechanic I approve this message
Tell that to all the immigrants who don't care and just go out and buy a brand new 60+k car on there monthly child tax benefits, EI...etc government incentives.
Not going to happen when y’all keep voting the same current party in
@@mr.joshua2937
Yes, always blame everything on the immigrants
GREED GREED GREED
on the part of the consumer...............I would agree.
80% of drivers barely know how to drive and you can bet 95% haven't checked their tire pressure in over six months.
Yes and the auto shop’s 28 point inspection doesn’t seem to include checking the spare pressure.
I look at the MOT history of used cars and the amount that are failing or getting advisories for worn tyres is ridiculous. Drivers don’t seem to think about doing basic checks these days.
Wait, you guys don't have air pressure machines at the petrol pumps!? 😲
Most newer vehicles have the tire pressure info monitored.
But yes, all cars should have a spare tire.
Just buy one from a junkyard, they have thousands that have never been used.
Make sure it fits your car though and doesnt rub up against something like your brake caliper
I went to the junkyard and bought a spare tire because wheter the original tire blown out and the road assistance sometimes take too long to get the customer
Remember you still need a jack and lug nut wrench. I also carry wheel blocks.
@@curtisi4403 Yeah i have those too
@@curtisi4403GOOD POINT!
Lower the Cost yet still jacking prices up😮
Yep! Real sleezeball companies these days!
Great pun, bravo.😊
I’ve had a spare tire ever since my love of donuts during the pandemic
Hilarious
One thing about the tire sealant foam. If you don't drive a sufficient distance, the stuff will run to the lowest point inside the tire and harden. Then your tire will need to be replaced.
Ive had a few punctures and never used it, total rubbish.
Somebody also noted it will wreck the tire pressure monitoring sensor.
The law needs to be ammended to require a spare
Definately not new to this, I too had to buy a spare tire kit to complete my vehicle and this was over 4yrs ago. I felt it's essential as I not only drive in urban areas I also travel in rural areas where shops and tow services are not redidly available. Cost me about $350.00 at the time but it's peace of mind.
In the UK, we purchased a Ford Focus CC convertible, no spare provided. Cost of spare wheel? £65. Tyre? £60. Total cost £125. on a car that cost £18,00 from new in 2008.
Have you needed the spare?
If it doesn't come with a spare, is there even space in the trunk to put the spare? Or just leave it to rattle around in the trunk?
@@Centauri27 My model, a 2016, already had the factory mounting for the spare.
@@Centauri27 Not likely to have the wheel well now.
I just bought a new $75,000 Mercedes Benz C300 and it doesn’t have a spare tire! The dealer told me it has “run-flat” tires, so I don’t need it. (what?) Those “run-flat” tires are limited in speed and distance and are unrepairable. The dealer said that if I do get a flat, I have to drive to the nearest tire shop and order a new tire to be installed. Yeah? What if I’m on a road trip and the tire shop is closed? Then, I have to drive to a motel to stay for the night until the tire shop is open the next day? What if they have to order the tire specially for my specific car and it takes a couple of days or weeks to be delivered? That means I have to stick around for a couple of days or weeks? What a “slap-in-the-face” insult to me as a buyer of a prestigious $75,000 car! 😡
Just wait till you discover that your Mercedes isn't built as well as my Toyota!
@@Fred-mp1vf , You’re absolutely right! ☝️
Well, if it's any consolation, you won't have to worry about how your elegant $900 Ferragamo loafers could get scuffed or your prestigious $1,600 Brioni wool pants could get damaged if you had to change a tire out in some godforsaken rural district.
@@johnstuartsmith , Or the threat in a gang infested, crime ridden urban inner city. You’re absolutely right!
Yep, I feel your pain. Same for a used E-class I was very tempted by recently. No space in the boot for a space-saver spare so I told the salesman 'no thanks' and walked away to look at Volvos.
I remember when you got the full size spare, then the donut tire, now nothing.
I can remember When you'd have to put in an inertube, before you could inflate a flat tire, you mostly had to jack up the car by the front Or back bumper.
Future plans: they sell you the donut and you then have to buy a car yourself that it fits!😂
Car manufacturers ARE'NT stopping giving spare wheels because they're heavy and they want to make the car more efficient. Simple truth is that they save money by not providing one whilst still charging the prices of when they did. It's just profit chasing, simple as that. 🤷♂️🤦♂️
It had been years since I had a flat, but this summer I got a cut in a tire which was not repairable. It was a Friday evening and I was basically in the middle of nowhere on a rural highway, 200 miles from home. Fortunately I had checked the air in my donut spare recently so I drove slowly (under 50 mph) home. If I had not had that spare tire then a tow truck or any other option would have been extremely expensive and time-consuming given where I was and the fact that it was Friday after business hours.
I’m a disabled driver, I came back to my Nissan in the pouring rain I discovered a flat: I simply got out the tyre sealant, blew it up and went home. Believe me, far less trouble than attempting to change a tyre in the piddling rain, especially being disabled.
Try make the sealant work on a torn or shredded tyre which happens in 99.9 % of cases.
Please if you use the spare "Donut" tire , drive at the recommended speed. Called out to a traffic roll over on the freeway and the vehicle had a spare tire Donut on the rear and a witness said the car was driving at a high rate of speed around 75 mph and it just slid out of control and rolled over. These spares are rated not to exceed 45 - 55 mph , read the side wall and are meant for short distance driving. Drive
Cautious ⚠️
Its not practical for everyone but i always keep an air pump in my car and plug kit so i can pump the tire back up till i can get somewhere safe to fix it
Fuel economy rating should be rated with max passenger weight.
No it shouldn't what a dumb statement 😂
Weight only affects fuel economy in city driving too. Highway doesn’t matter. It’s all aero then
Never going to happened ,not even with the ac on
@@adelaferreira4575 the epa does test cars with the ac on. Google how the tests are done
My biggest issue is that they also took away the space for the spare without increasing trunk space at all. I would happily buy my own donut spare of full size spare, but it won't fit.
I completely agree. A few weeks ago I was about to buy a used car then found out that even if I bought a space-saver spare myself, it wouldn't fit in the boot recess provided! Had to walk away from that sale purely because of that issue - thanks Mercedes!
My daughter bought a Kia Soul and then she realized it didn't have a jack or spare. I ordered a doughnut tire on amazon and bought her a jack and wrench at a U-pull junk yard. Thank goodness a month later she had a flat in the middle of nowhere and I had showed her how to change it.
My daughter also purchased a Kia Soul. I also purchased a spare tire for her.
The Kia Soul will accomodate a full size spare as well. Just remove the foam organizer.
So car manufacturers might give you an air pump instead. How does THAT make sense? If a tire going flat and doesn't hold air, how's an air pump supposed to help?
Mine was losing it slowly. Every few days I had to pump it. I'd taken it in 3x before they finally found the issue. Kind of crazy. But yeah, now I have a pump in my emergency kit. I have had a large puncture, and in that case 100% useless. Needs repair or replace. I have an older SUV so I still have a spare full size tire, thankfully. Also, got CAA. My friend had a similar slow leak issue amd we had to pump every hour to get home 3 hours away. But we did.
To be fair, I had a thick needle like object puncture my tire and after inflating it, I was able to drive a little further to the closest tire repair shop. Obviously not a substitute for a spare tire, but it could help in some situations.
Keep inflating it until you get to a tyre repairer. Ive done that in the past, no problem.
I had owned a 1996 Pontiac Bonneville ssei. This car came with a spare tire and air pump.
A Full size spare went a few years ago in the uk,the donut went recently and you don’t always get an inflator.
It gonna continue to happen until it reaches the point where they’ll ship out the entire car to you and assemble it yourself like IKEA. 😂
A Johnny Cash car.😅
I will not buy a car without a spare.
many MANY years ago - the car i wanted didn't have a spare - i just went to the "auto junkyard" and got one - problem solved
not always a choice.
You must ride a bike then….
I don’t envy you trying to find a car with a spare nowadays….
If you're on your automotive game, just pick up a spare that fits at a local junkyard. Try it for fit to make sure. If you have space, a full-size spare is best. Then when you have a flat you can run it however long you have to until you can fix/ replace the tire.
As a teenager I had to use my doughnut tire. I was doing a burnout and it blew apart on me. I was stranded at a friends house.
Here in the UK, it’s the same story, and if you’ve had to use one of these aerosol cans, the tyre has to be replaced. You also get three penalty points for a worn tyre, and lose your licence if you reach twelve - you get them for other things, too.
I just bring a full size wheel with me, spare tires cannot go very far or very fast. if you are driving just slightly out side the city in the prairies you'd be hard pressed to find a tire shop, or, one that's open.
I just keep driving my 23 year old Nissan Sunny with it's full size spare hidden in the trunk, underneath the mat. I also carry a 12 volt inflator pump, just in case the spare is low on air. Gives so much more peace of mind 😅
Was going to buy a mustang a few years ago.
I always check out the spare.
It had no spare.
I even told the sales person that it was a stupid idea and walked away from it.
I replaced the space saver tyre in my wife’s car with a full grown one, best thing I ever done
It won’t be long before such things as; _steering wheel, seatbelts and windows_ … will be extra “options” that you’ll have to buy when you’re shopping for a new car.
Stop being so sensational lol 2:37
not only as options, more like monthly subscriptions, ask BMW :)
Worst idea especially in the beginning of winter when most Flats occur. you get towed to the tire shop and you have to wait a day or 2 just for them to get to your car close the tire shop so backed up
Greed. Simple. No need to over think it.
Recently bought a 2014 prius plug-in. It doesn't have room to fit a spare 'cause of the bigger battery it has compared to the standard prius non plug-in (which does come with a spare). Instead it comes with a tire inflator and tire sealant that's since expired. Since I work from home, I ended up buying a spare that I leave in the garage in case my wife gets a flat tire to/from work or wherever.
The worst part of this is the dealers not telling the customer this when they buy the car.
You should check if there is one when you buy the car !
Last year when I was doing this I asked, also got them to show me as well.
Customer must be thick if they need telling.
If you use a can of sealant on your tire, it will damage the sensor for the Tire Pressure Monitor. It will put a sealant coating inside of the wheel which will have to be cleaned out with solvents. Expensive! Best to have a tire pump and a flat tire repair kit in your car. Pull out the nail or tack that went in to the tire, and insert the patch-string with the provided tools in the repair kit. Then re-inflate the tire with the pump. If you had nitrogen filled tires, you can go back to the garage that has the nitrogen machine and they can let out the air and fill the tire back with nitrogen.
My car came with no spare at all so I've just spent around £140 for another wheel, a new tyre for it and of course a jack and wrench as those aren't supplied either. Now my car boot is full before I consider luggage, that has to go on the back seat.
Breakers yard for the wheel, a universal scissor jack and a 4 way wheel brace, mine I carry a length of pipe to put over the arm of the brace for leverage,( it's undefeated with tight wheel nut removal) 😊 the brace, ext bar and jack you can keep and take car to car.
I have a 2014 Acura ILX. I replaced the doughnut spare with a full size steel wheel and it doesn't affect my gas millage. I still average 30mpg. I actually did get a flat earlier this year and use said spare tire for over a week and had zero issues.
Perhaps they'll offer a spare tire subscription, where if you cancel, it wont hold air.
If you have a mini spare, you should periodically check the air pressure. You don’t want to change your tire and find out your spare is flat as well.
Backup cameras are required but not spares? Makes sense
I remember when I rented a 2024 Toyota Prius 2 months ago. I had a flat tire in Los Angeles. The car came with a fix a flat kit along with an air compressor.
They call that corporate greed
It’s just cost cutting. It was a dealer option when I bought my car. Had to pay extra for them to swap out the tire inflator kit under the trunk floor for a real spare.
It’s like companies charging $2.00 if you elect paper billing.
That's because it cost $2 to print and post vs email for nothing.
@@johnsullivan6709 I’m sure they still claim the postage and cost to print write off on their income tax
It's a cost saving move. My brother in law and I bought our Acura MDX around the same time. I got the top of the line and I have a spare in my trunk and he got the lower trim and his didn't come with a spare (and only came with a tire fixing kit). When he got a flat, he called me for my spare because the tire fixing kit was useless. I had my car for about 10 years and actually used my spare tire a few times already. It's a necessity.
You pay a fortune for a new car and the spare looks like it came off a wheelbarrow.
2016 mustang, no spare. Came with a 12 volt compressor with a cartridge of fix a flat built into the pump. Had to clean all that crap out of the tire when I got it fixed.
It’s a cost cutting measure nothing more Next on consumer reports why your not getting a remote for your new tv you know that’s coming
Its a regulation passed by obama that caused it
My work bought dodge promaster citys that didnt come with spare tire or equipment. When we tried to get the spare tire holders that go under the back end they were on back order for months. Then the jacks were three months to get. Unbelivable!!!
that's been happening for decades. they don't lower the price of a car without a spare. I remember when all new cars came with a big spare. always keep a can of flat fix with you, and an air pump. I had a flat on my 93 caddy this summer. the spare had never been used. I had to pump it up with my electric air pump and got home. my daddy always said. Always have a backup.
If your spare is that old, it's likely to fall apart after a few miles. The molecular structure breaks down and it becomes weak. I learned that from experience. And mine was only 17 years old.
They're NOT trying to make them lighter so they're more efficient, they're just charging the same for the car and charging you extra for stuff that was always standard. It's just greedy car manufacturers ripping off their customers even more than before.
An on/off road vehicle, like most 4 wheel drive vehicles, MUST have a full sized spare tire, space savers are only for 2 wheel drives.
Also a lot of them use the tyre space to put in a huge battery so that the same body shell can run a diesel engine, an economy petrol engine, , a sporty turbo charged petrol engine , and the plug in hybrid engine with a battery.
Soon restaurants won’t give out utensils and you have to bring your own 😂😂😂
And even there are cars, You have to bring Your own rear wiper*, stocks** or driver-display**...
*Hyundai Ioniq 5
** Tesla Mod.3
my car is 30 years old and the spare has never been used. ten years ago i replaced all the tires including the spare. recently i checked my new spare and it was flat. i also own a truck thats 24 years old and its spare has never been used. apparently im tire smart. replace tires when necessary and check them once in a while. will save the headache of changing a flat on the road.
Yeah I don't think it has anything to do with gas. I was surprised it didn't have one. There's an air pump. Somebody didn't think that through and now there's no spot for a spare if I buy one either.
My daughter bought a Kia Soul that came without a spare tire. I was able to purchase her one from the Kia dealership, and there was a spot in a well to store it.
To save the company a ton of money. I once had a tire going flat on my 2014 Hyundai Elantra. I got out the inflater kit and correctly connected it and the damn thing would not run. I had just removed it from its bubble wrap packaging. So fortunately, it was on a weekday during business hours, so I quickly made it to a tire store. When I got home, I went online and ordered a spare tire kit. Included was a donut spare tire, jack and tire tool and the bolt to secure it to the floor in the tire well.
I'll be the contrarian. Tires are MUCH more robust today than they were 50 years ago. Most tires can take a nail and still hold air - the TPMS will let the driver know that the pressure is low giving them time to drive to a garage or tire shop to have the tire fixed or replaced. The reality is that 98% of car drivers today would not even know how to remove the flat tire and replace it with a spare so they would be calling for help anyway. Although this used to be a BIG DEAL (100 years ago, cars used to carry 2 spare wheels/tires!), it has now become more of an edge case, something that most drivers will encounter only once every 5 or 10 years. Not worth it to provide a full-size spare tire, or even a mini-spare anymore.
Possibly true. I go many years between flats, and most even then are only very slow to lose air.
I disagree. Without at least a donut spare, this summer I would have been stranded 200 miles from home on a remote rural highway where I was probably 100 miles from the nearest tire shop. And it was Friday evening when a tire shop might not be open until Monday. Of course, the donut spare is not designed to drive 200 miles but I didn't have a choice. Pissed me off that the dead real tire would not fit in the compartment where the donut is stored. If I had had a bunch of luggage I don't know where they think I could have put the real tire that was flat.
If a car at least has a spare that fits, then any tow truck driver or halfway mechanical person can swap on the spare. Without a spare, but with a bad flat, you have no choice but to get towed somewhere and wait for business hours.
Before purchasing our 7 passenger SUV that was one thing I opened the trunck for. Wife was surprised that, that was very important to me. Yes it should be a standard across all manufacturers.
This summer while driving from High Level to Edmonton, an 8 hour drive, had a flat south of Slave Lake. Luckily my wife's 2021 Buick Enclave had a spare donut and got me to Edmonton, still at highway speed.
I own a 2017 Acura TLX without a spare tire. It comes with a "Fix a flat kit" basically a temporary fix that only works if your tire is punctured. If your tire is popped you're screwed. If you want a spare tire they will sell you a spare tire kit at the Acura dealership for hundreds of dollars. Mind you that car costed at least 45K brand new
I've got a 2016 vehicle. It did not come with a spare tire. If I do install one, it'll be a donut.
Where do you put the full size flat tire?
Ridiculous!
I just bought a Honda Sport Civic hybrid. I could do without heated seats, moon roof, keyless entry, and a several other features I didn't want or need but have to pay for, but now I have to buy a spare tire or extra wheel and put it in the storage compartment.
"You're charging me for keys?"
"How ya gonna start it?"
Jerry Seinfeld to David Puddy _The Seinfeld Show_ circa era 1997
Starting in 1998, the spare tire area (usually in the trunk) was no longer required to be big enough to handle a full-size tire that went flat. Be careful -- "donut" tires rot after a number of years. I was able to get full-size stamped steel wheels for both of my 91-02 plastic Saturns. Full-size spare takes up space in the trunk -- but I am protected.
"fuel efficiency" yeah ok
Well if you have a flat tyre that would definitely save fuel 😊
Strange that no one commented that the Space Saver tyre should never be fitted to the front wheels, requiring that a front wheel puncture should be should be swapped with a real wheel and and the "doughnut" then fitted to the rear. And this is progress!
If they only knew how many times I've had a flat tire, including blowouts on the highway. I will NEVER buy a car that doesn't come with a spare tire. Yes, I'm looking at you, 2023-2025 Honda CRV Hybrid!
That is because not many know how to replace a tyre. I have invested in a spare wheel - way easier, just a couple of minutes and I am rolling again - used it as late as last month.
Make the dealer to provide one or else don't buy from it. Money is in our hand
I ended up buying a full size spare wheel for my BMW as they did not make a space saver tyre in the same diameter as the rest of the wheels. I read that using a space saver of the wrong diameter would cause substantial transmission damage. I was very surprised BMW were not aware of that. Even if it caused no damage having one odd diameter wheel would make it dangerous to steer anyway especially in the wet.
Negotiate it with your sale. They’ll give it to you
And the patch spray is not recommended if your tires are equipped with a Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS). The spray can damage the TPMS gauge (at $75 each!).
Criminal! Class action lawsuit
Not having a spare tyre only increases the risk of accidents happening. Especially, if you have broken down on the side of a motorway. It should be a law to make manufacturers provide spare tyres.
Unless car manufacturers can invent James Bond technology where the tyre automatically re- inflates after a puncture. Any one remembers Tomorrow Never Dies?
It's been 20 years since my last flat tire. I used to get flats every few years. Tires are better quality and safety inspectors are strict. My last 2 flats were on low profile rims. Avoid low profile rims and cheap tires. Look for imperfections and take them back before the warranty ends.
They did away with safety inspections in my state, which I think was stupid! I just replaced a paper-thin brake rotor on my friend's truck. I wouldn't let him drive it home before I checked his brakes.
Nails have a strange way of evading even quality tires. I always put on higher end tires on my cars and still end up with flats occasionally.
I have not had a flat tire in probably 25 years. I know that I will have one now after writing this though and my car does not have a spare.
Punctures generally come in clusters I've found,,I've had 3 within a month previously, and I can't remember the last time I had a flat, decades ,rather than years I'd say.
@@ianhill4585 exactly happened to me, further more, patched once and I got punctured twice at the edge so I had to replace a new tire twice! It was a costly couple months and I was afraid to drive anywhere after LOL
Both my cars which are 1 years old and 4 years old respectively have full size spare tires. They are both hybrids and it does not affect fuel economy at all.
I would not drive a care without a spare tire, let alone buy one.
Exactly
Some new cars don’t even have a place within the car to hold a spare tyre not even a space saver tyre. Run flat or self sealing tyres are now the favoured tyres from manufacturers.
I worked at a dealership that would remove the full-size spare from new vehicles, which the dealership owners would then put up for sale.
And she was really surprised when she looked and she didn’t have an engine also 🤣🤣🤣
If you use the tyre sealant it ruins the tyre. You will then need to purchase a new tyre, and that can be very expensive.
Electrics don’t have spares. You have a tire repair kit and you can call road side.
😂
I am a baby boomer.lonce changed a blown tire with a spare my big a millennial was mind blown I did