I am really hoping I'll get to see this thing in person at some point -- although it doesn't help that I'm in the far corner of the country. I couldn't be much further away and still be in the United States. But, anyway, given how those panels flex when it lands, I feel pretty confident there isn't a prop in there, or it would shred those panels...
@@Roswellflighttestcrew1947 I'm in the same corner of the country you are :) And it isn't a prop, it is a contained EDF right in the middle of the center electronics stack (I assume that is what the middle is) You can se it clearly at 1:45 in the video, and at 2:08 - 2:35 or so you can see on the bottom what looks like thrust vectoring moving on the underside in that middle stack as well. All of this makes me think that device flying in the video reel is powered by a thrust vectored (HUGE) EDF, and the plates are just for show/size/mockups. But I will say with 100% confidence that thing flying in the video is powered by that EDF lol
If anything, I'd say almost all the lift is provided by the EDF and maybe, just maybe stabilized by the ionic wind. Seems fairly pointless but who knows!
Well it depends on what you think he's scamming. Why would you tell your competition what your doing and how? Its companies with way more financial resources and could produce it as soon as they know the key ingredients pass what he said. Then what do he have? Empty pockets for his ideas
bro hes just controlling the output voltage across the electrically charged material, that gives him the ability to control the ionized air and thus thrust different amounts of it in different quadrants/sections, same thing as controlling propeller speed to create thrust differentials.
If this is old tech, then show me the drone that already existed that uses this technology and has the same capabilities, not just on paper but in a working prototype or commercial model we normal people can buy (not military etc).
I did this in junior high like 20 years ago.. it was called high voltage lifter. You made them out of balsa wood, tinfoil, an old computer screen and thin copper wire. Update: Very impressive and commendable that it runs without cables, but hard to imagine a battery dense enough to allow for a meaningful flight that can overcome wind forces on such a large surface area required for silent ion propulsion.
The earlier "flight" video released by UT on their website, restarts the camera angle about 8 times. On the middle 5 or so momentary clips it is shown starting from a higher point each time. That leads the viewers to think it was a 15 second flight instead of a perhaps 6 second or so flight? Update: Very recently they released a video with sound. Here's the link: ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html. Their craft does in fact have a loud ducted fan in the middle. Since the lifter part has a low thrust to weight ratio, it is hard to see how the leaf blower component wouldn't fly better without the lifter. They also very recently had a patent application published. It is for a "heated cathode lifter." There have been heated cathode lifter videos online, of the same design, for over a decade and they produce not that much added lift, and about 40% less thrust per watt. There was an earlier video of the craft showing a large lever attached holding up the craft with a counterweight/bucket and external power supply, that video seems to be taken down now. I agree with the other viewers that it may have a ducted fan in the center at this point. Mr. Pribanic is named in a leaf blower patent, but no other patent applications have been published that I could locate. He had posted that it was supposed to be patent pending in 2018. I've been working on an ion propelled vehicle for 22 years that does in fact lift its power supply. It is the only one that can do it solely with ion propulsion. However, there is no known physics that would allow a purely ion propelled craft specifically with the weight and geometry of the UT device to lift its power supply or a payload. It is concerning because people can become confused when it comes to what the capabilities of ion propulsion actually are. Please see US Patents 10,119,527, and 11,161,631, and the over 30 videos of my craft in flight with onboard power, but please keep in mind, that no ion propelled craft is going to lift several pounds and its power supply, unless it covers a much larger surface area, has a much more efficient geometry, and is built much lighter, than UT's craft. There are other factors as well, such as a novel power supply. As Carl Sagan once said extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. He might as well be selling "Undefined Properties..."
if this was real we would see a single uncut footage of it going from here to there, instead I see only a pathetic plastic trash pulled up by invisible strings, this is lamer than the hoverboard
@@gabrielleyba2842 You guys dont want to believe - I get it. Do you guys believe in a flat earth aswell? After all you've never seen footage of a continuous flight around the world? Go stick your heads in the dirt...its plain and obvious this is exactly what it s...a silent drone which flies for the time advised. Its a concept drone.
@@borntodoit8744 it's not about "belief" but rather show us compelling evidence. The short silent video clips of it flying on the video we're commenting on, is not enough proof this vehicle actually works. Your comment about flat earth is the same as someone saying do you believe in healing crystals..... Anycase here is another video of it flying with sound. It uses ducted fans! So the claim of it being silent is false. ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html
A 1974 polish book for young hobbyists titled "Nowoczesne Zabawki" had, among many others, instructions to build an ion flying device. So this is truly revolutionary...
"polish book" ? are you sure your not talking about an instruction manual about how to give items such as: shoes, tables, furniture, doorknobs ect. a good shine? Because if your referring to the country, those names are generally capitalized as in; "Poland or Polish"
It’s funny to read all the comments posted by these wannabe scientists trying to figure out and explain in great detail how this amazing tech is flying, and know one is even bothering to take notice of the one guy who’s saying it’s a gigantic edf. You can even see the ducted fan clearly during the video, he’s not even trying to hide it from the camera, I don’t even think it’s a scam, more a joke that everyone seems to be completely going along with.
No, it's not a joke. Do you want me to explain? Everything is simple. The turbojet engine in the middle of this structure creates a lifting force, which is why it rises up. Yes it is. But, as we can observe, the flight is stable and the drone does not fall on its side after takeoff. These panels on the sides create traction, which compensates for the torque and makes the drone stable. In an interview, the inventor himself says that stable flight is achieved by changing the thrust power on individual panels. It's simple, my friend. And don't confuse people with your comment. Have a nice day.
These wannabe scientists understand more than you can imagine... Or are you one of those who don't know anything about science and are trying to prove their stupid theory to everyone?
@@gigachad293 Calling other people's scientific credentials into question, when you're patently and obviously wrong. They claim the craft is silent. Not with the EDF they're using, not even close. They state front and center that its propelled purely by ions. The EDF proves that's a bold faced lie. There's a video on UT's own RUclips channel, with audio where they make these very claims. Which are disproved by the very loud EDF being obviously very loud. With the EDF, there is no way they have enough on board power to even stabilize this thing using ionic thrust. But the best part? Their own demonstration video has the comments disabled, for the obvious reason that all the claims they're making are complete lies.
Interesting. Worked on a project for F1 in the early 90's that involved ionizing the boundary layer on wings to enhance laminar flow. Worked quite well.
I wondered when this would show up. I recall seeing researchers developing the tech in Popular Science Magazine back in the 1970's. However, the flights of the wireframe devices were tethered to control and power. Todays more advanced technology for power, computing and light weight materials was far away. This tech still has great potential for the future. Thanks for the great video and coverage of this concept.
This one is an exception. The floor model us never shown actually flying, thus probably isn't functional. The videos have no audio and the flying unit clearly has an EDF(Electric Ducted Fan) in it for propulsion. So UT is clearly not telling the truth.
@@mmace3 probably not considering that particular EDF pretty powerful, but also very heavy. It's pretty simple, if an ion lifter can't lift itself off the ground alone, there is no way its going to be able to fly under ion propulsion carrying that fan.
This looks interesting. The older asymmetric capacitor "lifters" used aluminum foil on a balsa wood or plastic frame, powered by 35,000VDC. The two sheets of aluminum foil formed the asymmetric capacitor plates. The problems with those were little or no directional control, and very minimal payload capability. This one is VERY interesting, as it appears not to use solid sheets. It looks like wires or struts with space between them on a frame shaped similar to the old lifters. I need to research these!
I made one using an old CRT monitor and aluminum foil on balsa wood and Tungsten steel wire. It was amazing to see it lift! Never though of using multi levels.
@@garrykennedy5484 i guess there is always a new "mousetrap" I can go further. I've considered that once the riddle of fusion reactors is solved, the next hurdle will be to miniaturize fusion reactors one day, for military applications, then civilian. With that kind of power, devices can be built to do so many things. And then someone will figure out to create room temperature super conductors. Exciting isn't it. To literally one day fulfill Carl Sagan's prediction. Possess technology indistinguishable from magic. Live long and prosper! 🖖
@@garrykennedy5484 me too. Used the final anode tripler for the hv. Successful in that it went up and down, but absolutely no guidance at all, and wouldn't lift more than itself. As they strip the air molecules, the atmosphere around it smelled of ' after a thunderstorm', and there was some debate that constant exposure may have an impact on mental health( how would they be able to tell with me????) I gave up with it as I couldn't get it to move anything else.
This is the one with the screaming loud ducted fan, so loud it’s in their business plan to reduce the massive noise. All from a silent lift system. How dumb do they think people are? Just admit it’s about 90% lift from a ducted fan and 10% from electrostatic drive.
Why can’t they just try to do what DYSON Is doing with their “blade-less” fans? They re-direct the air flow from an internal fan to project the force from small openings that are almost invisible to see. It would be the safest drone and the technology is already more developed than Ionized drones.
1. the weight of an aircraft like that would mostly be those small ducts/openings that's redirecting and concentrating the air. 2. you can only move so much air through a small opening. To make up for that, you'd either need less thrust or a bigger opening, at that point it's just better to have a regular open propeller design. despite my points here, I don't really have any better idea other than open prop designs. Ionized drones are cool but they're still a long way before being an alternative
Did you watch the video? That is not the point. This is like saying to someone who invented a car that flies on no tires and causes 0 emmissions. "why dont you just ride the bus?"
How about that EDF at the middle 1:45? No propellers huh? Funny how it has built in wall to hide it it when it is flying yet and looked from the bottom. But cameraman screw ups and just zooms in on it from the top xDDD
@@johnculver6994 Yeah I spotted that in there too. Notice you didn't hear this either, just the fat guy incessantly talking. It might be quieter than a full on drone but it's not "quiet" with that center fan doing much of the lifting. I imagine the ion thrust is just used for directional control and stability rather than actual lift capacity.
The UT craft doesn't, it would take at least 100s of times more power. The crafts on my channel though do carry their power supplies onboard by ionic thrust. They are the only VTOL ones in the world that do. It makes sense though why mine work and it is clearly described.
That "propeller" (ducted fan, producing 8kg of force) at 1:45 is extremely loud!!! But hey, this new technology promises a good future!!! Keep up! This ducted fan won't be needed in a short period of time! Also, correct me if you are able to fly without the ducted fan! It's the 12S EDF JP Hobby 120mm???
Current battery tech cannot provide sufficient energy/weight ratios for pure ion lift in any meaningful way. It might be possible to build something superlight that under controlled conditions using supercapacitors for energy storage to get a few seconds of flight time. But it'd be a challenge to do.
Not buying it. Ion propulsion can work in space, no friction, no gravity, as all you need is steady acceleration. I think they call it undefined so they can avoid defining the math... Also, in the few glimpses we get, we do not see a full flight, start to finish, and there's a big FAN in the middle of it....
As a physicist I understand the physics behind this, but I have doubts it will be efficient enough to go beyond a proof of principle demo. Package delivery without noise: use cyclists, and construct cycle friendly cities ...
As someone who has no idea how the physics behind this work I am actually pretty positive. Without people/companies developing (new) technology we wouldn't move forward as a society.
As an engineer rather than a theoretical physist. I would argue ...its possible to hve a swarm of these silent low payload flying drones. One drone will not drop off a parcel. But a cage above and below and around the parcel and absolutely a swarm of drones can lift the heavier parcels or whatever application its implemented for. Think Process Solution, Think Technical Solution...but the best solution is a hybrid of Process and Technical solution. Think like a practical engineer not like a Theoretical physist when it comes to solving problems...gets you further. QED
@@borntodoit8744 What makes you think I'm a theoretical physicist? I definitely did most of my research work in engineering actually: building things. Issues I see with this concept: low energy efficiency and probably difficulty to fly in certain conditions with extreme humidity. I would like to see some demo's is such conditions before investing.
I am an EE and specialize in ion propulsion. The UT craft can't lift its power supply without a loud ducted fan in the middle. Their latest video has audio, and it is really clear that there is a leaf blower EDF in the center. On my channel there are 30 + videos of an ion propelled craft that can lift its power supply, but it requires very specific and lightweight construction to make it possible. It isn't probable that UT craft could produce enough force to lift itself using ions considering the construction details of their craft. The thrust to weight is off by several orders of magnitude.
here's an excellent explanation why the video above is a pipe dream without massive batteries that would make it too heavy to fly at it's current size. Nope, not "ION propulsion" it's a fan ruclips.net/video/IorDYGI1uqc/видео.html
Stop this video @ 1:26 and check it out. A cute little orange colored fan with a cute little motor. I call bull shit on this whole stunt. Do not send these people a single postage stamp or dime.
The quietness of this might give it stealth military applications. There has long been rumours of a top secret stealth blimp that has a black triangle radar evading shape, uses lighter than air gas to float, and silent Biefeld Brown effect Ion Thrusters to push itself around.
You're not even scratching the surface of what the modern US military is capable of. Want a weekend killing rabbit hole? Look up The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951. By the end of fiscal year 1991, the number of patent secrecy orders stood at 6,193. TLDR: Government has the right to make any patent secret.
The Electrojet™ ionic vortex streaming turbine was the breakthrough technology the world was waiting for. Now imagine how to arrange the wires to create a columnar laminar flow of air that is compressed and exhausted out to increase thrust. I think there are imaginative ways to vastly improve this kind of technology.
@@slopeIV There are a series of patented solely ion propelled crafts on my channel that can lift their power supplies. They are the only ones that can though.
@@grahamstevenson1740 It's hard to imagine something as large as that flying in the first place. Sometimes when they talk about features they're really talking about their long term goals. The question is... how long... 2 more years... 20?
@KamiEuKiTo Yes... definitely. I'm excited that such a thing is even possible in the atmosphere and how it could potentially lead to all sorts of innovations. Even without high altitude flight, hovering a foot off the ground could still eliminate friction and create a fun amphibious glider like they use in the Everglades.
I remember an article on ion lifting devices in the late 1960s, maybe very early 1970s. Popular Mechanics, I think. Of course at that time even an onboard power supply of any significance, much less flight control electronics, wasn't in the cards.
@@feraudyh The difference is fraud and lies. See this video of this incredibly loud thing actually flying using a central ducted fan: ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html The guy's dog must be stone deaf.
There is no way the UT device lifts its power supply with ion propulsion. There is a video of it online called something like UT Mission 2 Flight, where a loud ducted fan can clearly be heard spooling up in the center of the craft. On my YT channel there are about 36 flight videos of a series of ion propelled crafts that are patented for lifting their power supplies. They had to be built very light in weight and required a large number of particular upgrades to get the power supplies onboard. I don't believe the UT craft has onboard power, nor is it "silent."
Man I haven’t seen this type of lift propulsion since I was a kid. I’ve been trying to figure out what it’s called for the past 15 years. (New technology)🤣
people have been tinkering with ionic wind devices for decades and yet to find a way to make it usable... of course if you add a giant brushless ducted fan (WITH PROPELLERS) in the middle like these guys.. yeah it will take off.
Inefficient, stupid, scam. Notice the giant fan blowing down in the middle? Ion propulsion for space travel was explored cause the thrust is miniscule and the energy requirement is high. Small thrust, no big deal in a vacuum where you don't have air to push against and no giant fan in the middle would work lol.
ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html The UT craft is a scam as you can hear from the above video. There is a real version on my channel that is MUCH more efficient and really lifts its power supply with ions! It will have a use some day, especially in space with a small propellant tank added.
There are huge craft with ionic propulsion that are tethered to huge step up inverters producing 1000+ volts to get their flight but the substructure is balsa wood . No way can you produce that amount of power off of 2 lipo batteries. It works but no way Without a ton of batteries for a few seconds . I’m seeing EDF also.
There are some ion propelled crafts that lift their power supplies solely using ion thrust. They can only be found on my channel though. They only work because they follow known physics in a very particular way. You are correct about the UT craft. There is no known way it could lift its power supply in its current form.
Of course the govt wants silent drones. Gee I wonder what they will be used for......... Technology advancements is all well and good but don't forget that everything we have developed has been used against us in one way or the other. And this gives tyranny a front row seat into any target they want to get rid of. So I hope while this is being funded and developed, i hope someone is developing a countermeasure for use against these things.
The UK invented licence plate readers to combat the IRA and Terrorisim, not one IRA arrest was made from them and they are only used to fine people and monitor their movements.
@@seasparrow7427 EDF motors are used to produce thrust and cool the electronics in nearly ALL RC aircraft.....not familiar with the hobby huh? #DualPurposeFan
@@jaybomb5022 EDF would be prop thrust. EDF would be a poor choice to try to cool anything, a trimmed down computer fan would be lighter and easier to use if cooling were a concern. RC Aircraft electronics don't need active cooling at ambient temps. You can keep flight controllers, receivers, ESCs all inside airplane bodies, or strapped to low airflow areas of a multirotor without issues.
@@mikelostcause My Extra 300, Cessna C188, Glasair Sportsman, etc all keep the ESC directly behind the motor with its own independent airflow channel. Alot of EDF jets also keep the ESC in the wind channel area to keep the heat sink cool. Flowing air is flowing air and a ducted fan is a great choice to cool electronics. Maybe on a small drone or cheap toothpick you're absolutely correct. But for real high performance applications 4S+ you 100% need to air cool the electronics. Especially on sophisticated flight controllers. DJI has a separate fan for its IMU alone to prove the point. Nice try though.
@@trucid2 Hi LP, The crafts on my channel just add electrons to the O2 in the air. O2 has a high affinity for electrons and just grabs them up. It just takes a very high voltage low current power source. It also takes a super light large surface area craft and very specialized electronics and geometry to maximize the thrust per watt.
Yes, but there is only one series of solely ion propelled crafts that really have the power supplies onboard. There are 35 flight footage videos of them on my YT channel.
This is amazing! If you partner with the D.O.D. two things will happen: You'll get massive funding, and we'll never hear about this project again because it will be militarized and go black. All good wishes!
My Daughter and I built a Lifter for her school science project after her teacher told us our idea would not work....we got it to work although it was tethered to the ground and somewhat eratic......it is nice to see the tech going beyond the tether
@@johnculver6994 On my channel there are a series of the only ion propelled crafts that lift their power supplies. They do still have non- conductive safety tethers, but I hope to get rid of those asap. I agree with you that the UT craft is clearly propelled by a ducted fan.
@@theinsane101 You did not look at my channel, patents, and website. I did find a way to do it, but it was very difficult. It had to be very large and light. I have also been working on it for 22 years. I have left very clear information to explain how the thrust to weight ratio was increased so much. I know "lifters" are not going to lift their power supplies, but my craft does!
@@theinsane101 Also, if you look on my channel under the videos tab the 8th video down shows closeup footage of one of the older power supplies that flew onboard in the "early experiment" video. It is shown making large sparks and they are visibly sent to different areas for steering. I would appreciate an apology once you realize that my invention works. I did not spend my life as an EE working with in propulsion to trick people. The officials that support that my craft lifts its power supply, by well-known physics, are not "liars" either. I know the thrust to weight had to be increased a lot.
On my channel are the only real ion propelled crafts that lift their power supplies vertically. Here is what the UT craft really is. A loud leaf blower, EDF, powered machine: ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html
This been out for many,many yrs.Its called a lifter.the first one was tin foil triangl shape wit three wires connected to a very high volt transformer or a tealsa coil.look up high volt ion lifters on youtube.
All the comments from people who don't understand why and how this tech has resurfaced.... even trying to say it's called something else..... 😂 always been ionic propulsion.......since 60+ years ago.....
I talked to a high school electronic teacher about this concept 60 years ago. He warned me about the dangers of the phenominally high DC Voltages. Power supplies are more efficient now.
@@gordonlawrence1448 - the HUGE problem with the batteries is how efficient they can store a required amount of energy, for HOW LONG, and in WHAT conditions. Any Tesla owner will know how the batteries behave at sub-zero temperature ( higher you go, in atmosphere, colder it is ! ) ;
I believe that JLNlabs got something flying in the early 2000s but it might have been a fixed wing plane. This is looks basically like a big version of what back then was called "lifters". Fun to play with and interesting to see that some still work on this.
I had a friend around that time who was working under contract with Texas Instruments who was doing work for he said NASA but that might have been just him telling me that to not get in trouble but anyway he was working on something like this with a team in Dallas. So much of this is tied to grant money and just keeping scientists and engineers working. You could fill 10 football fields up with stuff like this thats been designed and built since the 1950s.
One puff of wind and that old school LIFTER will blow away. I am glad to see they are working on stable flight designs. I have built many Lifters years ago when it was the thing to do. Small basic ones and large 4 foot ones. Never spent more than a few dollars to build and used junk CRT supplies. But with out some sort of controls they had to be tethered. So it is interesting to see them working on a balancing system.
what makes you think anybody gave money? these and commonly inexpensive materials available in any hobby store to Home Depot. one of proof of concept. less then $100-ish.
Look the demo, they made a HQ video! That is in the middle is NO WONDER WHY, is a SMALL JET ENGINE! Look the exhaust of the engine, is fitted with servo-controlled flaps. That controls the outgoing flow. Why the hell needed the big area bullshit? Is the stabilizing area, with weight, and made the sourrounding airflow "parallel" to the jet"s mainflow. They found the dumbest, and so loud reporter to made that "amazing" video. It's a scam, guys.
This is an older technology from about 20 years ago. I've seen this done over and over again with lightweight triangles. Any kind of real wind would probably knock this down. You're better off using a small wire from the ground that you can plug in.
The point always should have been to use it to reduce the frame weight to zero or near that and use multi axis engine to maneuver. Ppl are smart and some ppl clever. Takes a genius to do both.
That this guy got this wooden drone out without getting killed is amazing, since ION Lightweight Technology is one part of classified military technology for over five decades.
Not really. This is not magic and not high technology. Its just inefficient and thats why you dont see it anywhere.. jet engines on the other hand can generate more than 100 times the power of a car engine. Thats why planes use jet engines and why all power plants use turbines. Efficiency is all that matters. Ion propulsion only works well in a vacuum like space.
Lol, watch the original test video with sound on. IT USES AN EDF. AKA a high thrust propeller on the bottom that is super fucking loud. You can Totally see it at 1:25. Really blows their claimms of silent propellerless flight out of the water.
1:27 - That looks rather like a ducted fan cowl in the middle there... I'm kind of thinking this is fan lifted and uses ionic propulsion to stabilize it. This has many hallmarks of hoaxes I have seen in the past, hence I am skeptical. Also the HV lifters people are mentioning in the comments, are not capable of lifting any meaningful amount of weight as they fly electrostatically, and are not capable of carrying their own power supply. Something just doesn't stack up here...
There is one type that really can lift its power supply. It is demonstrated in 33 flight videos on my channel, and there are 2 patents specifically especially for it lifting its power supply. I agree though that the UT craft uses a ducted fan. They have a video on their website with audio.
@@KraussEMUS1 I get the overall sense having seen many video like this over the years, that show very little progression in the field, that the principle of ionic lifting is probably best suited to zero gravity environments - however as this effect largely vanishes with the atmosphere, it could be very hard to convince me that this is the way of the future for cost effective transport of anything more than a few grams
@@TheAussieRepairGuy Well, the crafts on my channel lift their power supplies. That represents a huge improvement in thrust to weight to do it in real life. They look similar to other EAD thing on the surface but there are actually an awful lot of changes needed to make them lift their power supplies. You are right though unless they are very large, they wont lift much weight except for a few small optional propellant tanks, ultralight solar cells, and a small camera and video transmitter.
1:26 there's literally an EDF propeller in the middle haha a bunch of scammers. The efficiency of ion drives in the atmosphere is non existent, MIT did an rc plane awhile back and could just barely get it to maintain flight for an extremely short time.
I saw videos on a airplane someone built with the same propulsion method. Works the same as those ionic air filters you might have in your house or at least seen on TV. Charged air is drawn from the negative plate to the positive. I was impressed that this could actually lift more than it's own weight. The lack of moving parts is pretty cool. Just wish it was a bit more efficient.
Ya theyve been using electro-magnetically charged particles for stuff like this since the late 80s and probably way before that. This isnt anything new.
That was MIT's V2 craft. Theirs was not the first ion propelled craft to lift its power supply though, nor is it nearly as efficient as the earlier series of solely ion propelled crafts on my channel. They are patented since 2014 for lifting their power supplies onboard against Earth's gravity solely with ions. There is a video on my channel of one producing a greater than 1 to 1 vertical lift for almost 2 minutes. The UT craft above requires a high-powered ducted fan in the middle as its source of lift rather than ions.
Once they figure out how to fly without the fan in the middle it'll be great for combat. Completely silent, just a 4' by 4' Box, Sneaking into the enemy position.
oh yes, drone noise is going to be our biggest problem... nice square design. that's obviously optimal - if you are going to crutch this tech up on bad design so it lags for 110 more years... hes awfully excited about this need for silent drones. this balsa diy crap will make sure it doesn't breach into the public domain. make sure it seems impossible to do, and have the interviewer be in absolute shock and amazement with apparently no background in any developments at all, not just lately, but ever. his idea that his consult is worth money and that his company would somehow become this market is so dissonant with the very plans that have kept this off cameras since they first started selling film retail.
The moment he mentioned ions, I knew it was lifter tech. I remember CERN developing something similar, using an electrostatic field across an aluminium frame to create aero lift.
@@lcfflc3887 The fan in the middle is used for the purpose of distributing necessary gases to the "lifters" to produce ionic thrust as ion propulsion requires gases to operate.
@@lcfflc3887 They perhaps could use tubes or pressurized gasses (as in most models), but here (I am not entirely certain as I am not the author of the build) they might have used a small ducted fan to distribute the gasses, besides I could confirm that a fan that small wouldn't be able to lift that thing up.
@@ComRed_ Sorry to burst your bubble, but this craft is lifted by a very loud EDF. Later videos on UT's own site that have audio prove this. They're obviously not making an actual ion lifter and it's nowhere near silent. It's a scam.
The cage is made of balsa wood or spaghetti? Good luck ionising anything with that. And that crapp has a ducted fan right in the middle! SHAME shame on you. BTW is ripoff shaming still politically correct?
Wonderful, really! Hopefully the military will keep their hands off of new technologies... but they will not... Slowly let us transform this world in a place where technology helps us expand and be happy, and not help us to kill each other like twerps...
I suspect this is using the Biefeld-Brown effect, and not an "ion drive" -- but it's still impressive! I hope they continue to develop this! This could be the prototype for a genuine flying car in 20 to 30 years...
Flying cars won't be a thing for as long as it requires a bunch of times more energy to lift something into the air compared to rolling it on the ground. Unless we find a way to levitate stuff without expending energy, or find an energy source so plentiful that it won't matter, we will continue to build roads and roll on the ground.
The UT craft requires a noisy high-powered ducted fan in the middle to fly. On my channel are real ion propelled crafts with onboard power. They are patented for lifting their power supplies against Earth's gravity. They are however very lightweight.
not new tech. and those are defeintely not new flaws in this tech.. those flaws are very old.. the flaw being absolutely massive power use and inefficiency.. so i ask, can it fly for more than 23 seconds without a tether and ground-based power supply? also, does it kill people if you accidentally touch it?
The UT craft uses a loud ducted fan: ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html The real thing is on my channel. It doesn't lift anything heavy yet though.
There's something strange in this drone; I thought the electrodes had to be of different metals and sizes to get a lifting effect. I also wonder how did they avoid the lightning.
Distance. It won't start popping until it's covered with filth.. remember, it's the same thing as an ionic air purifier. We all know how hard it is to clean those...
@@brujo_millonario It's plenty big enough for an edf. If you hear it running you'll hear just how fast it's spinning. VERY fast. That's how electric ducted fans work. That ducted fan alone is enough to meet the claims. The Ion system look to be secondary control/trim in function. Fine for a testbed to iron out ion flow control systems for such things or even ion propulsion systems for space craft/probes, where very tiny thrust over long periods can add up a lot.
Thinking a sky platform....massive like a hot air balloon... It is floating in the air ...has potential to drag energy from the atmosphere to power itself (Tesla tower style maybe)
Yes! Turning the structure into a battery is a good idea. It is elegant because it eliminates unnecessary structure and simplifies the design. The integration of form and function is the way of the future.
Who falls for this bullshit. You can see the fan in the middle of the prototype, and when the thin lands it almost breaks in half. No way that's going to fly 15 min with 2 pounds of weight. I call BS
Sharper image used to have an air purifier without moving blades that used this technology. The issue is that the propulsion is very weak. I have a hard time believing it can lift anything of any substance.
The problem with ion propulsion systems of all sorts is, that propulsion is only a byproduct of the energy expended to i) split an air molecule (N2, O2), and, ii) to ionize it (ionization energies are provided by Wikipedia). This is the reason, why ion thrusters can not replace conventional rocket engines.
@@debrainwasher The UT craft uses a loud high powered ducted fan for propulsion. On my channel are the only ion thrusters that really lift their power supplies vertically. The crafts work by just adding electrons to the outer shells of ambient O2 molecules. O2 has a strong affinity for gaining extra electrons that is why it is called an oxidizer. By creating small amounts of negative ions in the oxygen component of the air, an airflow can be created without requiring the energy to reach the ionization potential that you were referring to. It flies on very little wattage so long as it is low enough in weight and that geometry is just right.
I watched some videos put out by the company and it’s actually very noisy with a high pitched whine. Their channel also doesn’t allow comments - big red flag.
Awesome Tech this is the first step in the right direction love to see this technology applied on a grand scale what kind of aircraft could fly without propellers or jet engines pretty wild possibilities
Not as Awesome as you think. It sucks a lot of power to produce very little lift, so it can't carry much battery, flight time is very limited. It can only travel vertically, unless it's fitted with other propulsion systems. It doesn't work well in uncontrolled atmospheric conditions, humidity and temperature change at every elevation, so it has a low flight ceiling. It will never replace rotors, propellers, and jets because it is impractical beyond toy scales.
@@pwnmeisterage I just believed that any kind of tech that does not involve a rocket engine or propellers is a good start to Tech might not be perfect but it is definitely a step in the right direction no propellants needed know what I mean?
Hopefully in a hundred years people will look back at this footage and tell their children that machines like that were the first steps of silent personal aviation transport. No more buzzing drone fans means great potential for the future!
Somehow I think people in a hundred years will see this and laugh. "Oh look. Another person who never figured out how gravity/anti-gravity worked." ION propulsion is bullshit. Using the atmosphere to propel you is a dead-end.
Well, as a "drone experiment" it is interesting. But it is nothing new and nothing effective. "An ion-propelled aircraft or ionocraft is an aircraft that uses electrohydrodynamics (EHD) to provide lift or thrust in the air without requiring combustion or moving parts. Current designs do not produce sufficient thrust for manned flight or useful loads": wikipedia
I've seen ionic propulsion before. Whole lot of energy, very little thrust. Hmm, looking for investors? Everyone has the right to throw away their own money.
The break through on this was the portable power supply so it could fly without wires attached , now the problem will be control in wind and how precipitation will affect the charge on the "wings" of the craft !
Old Zeppy had to fly in calm days cause landing is a bbitch. It only took 1 time and an ERA was ended...in a BLAZE OF GLORY. Google Graf Zeppelin and watch video
Actually 20 years ago laptop computers had ccfl backlights in them and florescent light power supplies were all over the place. Those types of inverter transformers that powered them were closer to what can be used to power self-contained ion propelled crafts. There have been some minor improvements in capacitors and lipo batteries, but lipos did exist in the early 2000s. Not sure of the exact date. I made an ion propelled craft hop in 2006 using them. It now has two patents since 2014. It takes a lot of special details though to make it work.
For over 20 years I always wondered if this would work only in my mind, And to finally see it working on here means i was really onto something, For years i tell people that i know how to make a real hoverboard, Where he mentions protons pushing and pulling, My idea with the board would be similar, Where we use the atoms in the air to ack a levitation carpet that the board manipulates as it goes forward and redirected into a downward flow. If this drone on the video used low frequency sound waves, they maybe able to get the drone to have a stronger lift.
Well now you know it can be done...why dont you licence your idea of 20years to someone (or even these guys). Make some money, eliminate noice pollution from drones, save the planet. Personaly i want one that carries my beer from the fridge to my armchair
@@borntodoit8744 I am Actually Autistic, and Disabled, I am 48 years old, I literally solve everything around me, because I don’t think like people who have been University or higher education. I was miss diagnosed at school, and had only myself to solve everything in my head. I have a way of making use of what tools are at my advantage. I literally invent things all the time, normally everything I can see in my mind, normally just works out. I have never had any funds to be able just fund one good practical invention, my life dream is to invent myself back to be able to walk again. Then have a huge workshop and a team of people, so we can make the world better. I can even write original fantasy stories out of thin air, I worked out so many things, and even worked out the whole of creation, and how everything was created, if I could get a special helmet made, I know how to see through our future selves eyes, the most I have seen before it happens is about 6 hours so far. I hope that one day I will be able to get money from future knowledge to then use to fund future invention projects. I accidentally discovered seeing a future event 23 years ago now, and I have had time to work out how to make technology so that I can train myself to do it myself. But we are only projecting our consciousness to the future through our own eyes. So I guess I could say I did time travel for real. If only a person will deep pockets could at least let me be part of a team.
You can plainly see the intake fan in the middle during test flight, which they were hiding at the convention. Also, if the panels are providing all the thrust why do they bend downward like they're gonna snap off when it lands as though they're barely hanging on?
@@Roswellflighttestcrew1947 Really ? All i see is an Electric Ducted Fan ( Impeller ) in the middle of this construction ( yes, a fan, like a propeller, contrary to the title of this video) and the so called very silent drone is loud as a leaf blower as you can see in this video ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html So i don´t know where the magic is and why people are hyping this fake !? This is just a giant fraud to get investors money.
This is a "Naudin lifter". The best one that i've seen, so far. It works like a light weight version of those ionic fans from the early 2000's. I think some MIT students made a model airplane version of a lifter. So, instead of hovering, it flew. You can make your own rudimentary version of this with scrap items. Just don't electrocute anyone. Caution ⚠ High-Voltage.
Neither regular lifters, the MIT glider, nor the UT craft can lift their power supplies vertically solely with ion propulsion. The UT craft uses a ducted fan and none of those craft have a sufficient thrust to weight ratio. LIfters used to require external power supplies weighing kilograms to lift a tethered model weighing grams. On my channel are a series of ion propelled crafts that are patent for lifting their onboard power supplies against' Earth's gravity. There are a lot of details that have to be right for it to work though, and those details are missing on the other three types of crafts mentioned.
Ion flow between potentials means you could establish an electric potential between two mesh domes so atmosphere on Mars flows inward increasing the 'air pressure' inside the inner most dome.
Powered by a gigantic EDF in the center of the drone lol.
They don't even try to hide it. Just claim it has no propellers and provide no audio of its flight. Definitely dont invest in this company.
I am really hoping I'll get to see this thing in person at some point -- although it doesn't help that I'm in the far corner of the country. I couldn't be much further away and still be in the United States. But, anyway, given how those panels flex when it lands, I feel pretty confident there isn't a prop in there, or it would shred those panels...
@@Roswellflighttestcrew1947 I'm in the same corner of the country you are :) And it isn't a prop, it is a contained EDF right in the middle of the center electronics stack (I assume that is what the middle is) You can se it clearly at 1:45 in the video, and at 2:08 - 2:35 or so you can see on the bottom what looks like thrust vectoring moving on the underside in that middle stack as well. All of this makes me think that device flying in the video reel is powered by a thrust vectored (HUGE) EDF, and the plates are just for show/size/mockups. But I will say with 100% confidence that thing flying in the video is powered by that EDF lol
If anything, I'd say almost all the lift is provided by the EDF and maybe, just maybe stabilized by the ionic wind. Seems fairly pointless but who knows!
@@Roswellflighttestcrew1947 please don't put your face there: at least figure out what is that EDF for...
"I can only give you so much without charging you a lot of money." And that my friends is something scammers say.
Well it depends on what you think he's scamming. Why would you tell your competition what your doing and how? Its companies with way more financial resources and could produce it as soon as they know the key ingredients pass what he said. Then what do he have? Empty pockets for his ideas
Or people protecting their technology.
bro hes just controlling the output voltage across the electrically charged material, that gives him the ability to control the ionized air and thus thrust different amounts of it in different quadrants/sections, same thing as controlling propeller speed to create thrust differentials.
I love how they always "reinvent" old tech as new.
round and round we go
Reapplied in this case.
Well, whats new is untethered flight and the ability to carry a reasonable payload
old principal, new material science materials, the field is called 'applied science' not new tech principles.
If this is old tech, then show me the drone that already existed that uses this technology and has the same capabilities, not just on paper but in a working prototype or commercial model we normal people can buy (not military etc).
I did this in junior high like 20 years ago.. it was called high voltage lifter. You made them out of balsa wood, tinfoil, an old computer screen and thin copper wire.
Update:
Very impressive and commendable that it runs without cables, but hard to imagine a battery dense enough to allow for a meaningful flight that can overcome wind forces on such a large surface area required for silent ion propulsion.
When I read 20 years ago, I was thinking 1980s. Not 2002! I'm getting old
@@drink15 same, lol, ouch
@@drink15 ssme
@@drink15 omg me too
Could it lift two pounds for 15 minutes?
The earlier "flight" video released by UT on their website, restarts the camera angle about 8 times. On the middle 5 or so momentary clips it is shown starting from a higher point each time. That leads the viewers to think it was a 15 second flight instead of a perhaps 6 second or so flight?
Update: Very recently they released a video with sound. Here's the link: ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html.
Their craft does in fact have a loud ducted fan in the middle. Since the lifter part has a low thrust to weight ratio, it is hard to see how the leaf blower component wouldn't fly better without the lifter. They also very recently had a patent application published. It is for a "heated cathode lifter." There have been heated cathode lifter videos online, of the same design, for over a decade and they produce not that much added lift, and about 40% less thrust per watt.
There was an earlier video of the craft showing a large lever attached holding up the craft with a counterweight/bucket and external power supply, that video seems to be taken down now. I agree with the other viewers that it may have a ducted fan in the center at this point. Mr. Pribanic is named in a leaf blower patent, but no other patent applications have been published that I could locate. He had posted that it was supposed to be patent pending in 2018.
I've been working on an ion propelled vehicle for 22 years that does in fact lift its power supply. It is the only one that can do it solely with ion propulsion. However, there is no known physics that would allow a purely ion propelled craft specifically with the weight and geometry of the UT device to lift its power supply or a payload. It is concerning because people can become confused when it comes to what the capabilities of ion propulsion actually are.
Please see US Patents 10,119,527, and 11,161,631, and the over 30 videos of my craft in flight with onboard power, but please keep in mind, that no ion propelled craft is going to lift several pounds and its power supply, unless it covers a much larger surface area, has a much more efficient geometry, and is built much lighter, than UT's craft. There are other factors as well, such as a novel power supply. As Carl Sagan once said extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. He might as well be selling "Undefined Properties..."
I'm feeling suspicious too
if this was real we would see a single uncut footage of it going from here to there, instead I see only a pathetic plastic trash pulled up by invisible strings, this is lamer than the hoverboard
@@gabrielleyba2842 You guys dont want to believe - I get it.
Do you guys believe in a flat earth aswell? After all you've never seen footage of a continuous flight around the world?
Go stick your heads in the dirt...its plain and obvious this is exactly what it s...a silent drone which flies for the time advised. Its a concept drone.
@@borntodoit8744 it's not about "belief" but rather show us compelling evidence. The short silent video clips of it flying on the video we're commenting on, is not enough proof this vehicle actually works. Your comment about flat earth is the same as someone saying do you believe in healing crystals.....
Anycase here is another video of it flying with sound. It uses ducted fans! So the claim of it being silent is false. ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html
@@57z that drone is pretty noisy for a silent craft ;)
No propellers but an EDF right in the middle. Cue the BS alarm!
A 1974 polish book for young hobbyists titled "Nowoczesne Zabawki" had, among many others, instructions to build an ion flying device. So this is truly revolutionary...
Lol
On the shoulders of giants. … In this case Polish giants.
@Randy Boone I have seen footage of that and Hitler was there too. Very creepy video and have it somewhere.
"polish book" ? are you sure your not talking about an instruction manual about how to give items such as: shoes, tables, furniture, doorknobs ect. a good shine? Because if your referring to the country, those names are generally capitalized as in; "Poland or Polish"
Revolutionary? It was in a 1970s magazine... lol
It’s funny to read all the comments posted by these wannabe scientists trying to figure out and explain in great detail how this amazing tech is flying, and know one is even bothering to take notice of the one guy who’s saying it’s a gigantic edf.
You can even see the ducted fan clearly during the video, he’s not even trying to hide it from the camera, I don’t even think it’s a scam, more a joke that everyone seems to be completely going along with.
No, it's not a joke. Do you want me to explain? Everything is simple. The turbojet engine in the middle of this structure creates a lifting force, which is why it rises up. Yes it is. But, as we can observe, the flight is stable and the drone does not fall on its side after takeoff. These panels on the sides create traction, which compensates for the torque and makes the drone stable. In an interview, the inventor himself says that stable flight is achieved by changing the thrust power on individual panels. It's simple, my friend. And don't confuse people with your comment. Have a nice day.
These wannabe scientists understand more than you can imagine... Or are you one of those who don't know anything about science and are trying to prove their stupid theory to everyone?
That fan is probably to cool the high-voltage electronics.
EDF for sure, how can the deafening screech of that be noiseless? This is clear deception, otherwise they'd mention it.
@@gigachad293 Calling other people's scientific credentials into question, when you're patently and obviously wrong. They claim the craft is silent. Not with the EDF they're using, not even close. They state front and center that its propelled purely by ions. The EDF proves that's a bold faced lie. There's a video on UT's own RUclips channel, with audio where they make these very claims. Which are disproved by the very loud EDF being obviously very loud. With the EDF, there is no way they have enough on board power to even stabilize this thing using ionic thrust. But the best part? Their own demonstration video has the comments disabled, for the obvious reason that all the claims they're making are complete lies.
Interesting. Worked on a project for F1 in the early 90's that involved ionizing the boundary layer on wings to enhance laminar flow. Worked quite well.
How did they produce enough power to make it work?
Yeah the tech is older than what you worked on. They made these things as hobby crafts back in the 60's. 👍🏼👏🏼🤝🏼
@@buisyman How much horsepower does an F1 engine make? The question is how much power did they need to keep the air sticky.
@@thomassuit7450 I'm not talking about how much power the device produces, I'm talking about how much power it takes to make the thing work.
@@buisyman That's a much better question than, "How did they produce enough power to make it work?"
I wondered when this would show up. I recall seeing researchers developing the tech in Popular Science Magazine back in the 1970's. However, the flights of the wireframe devices were tethered to control and power. Todays more advanced technology for power, computing and light weight materials was far away. This tech still has great potential for the future. Thanks for the great video and coverage of this concept.
I saw that same article back then. Nice to see the technology finally making a comeback.
Not in "lifter" form it doesn't. Some form of EM drive in air does but not with any of the current power plants we have.
"...were tethered.." Yeah, so is this one. It's the only way it could work.
Skeptical people kill technological advances.
It's in its infancy. Give it a few years for development.
what about fan in the center of drone? :D
Whats the suspicious turbine-looking thing in the middle there 1:45 ?
Ion lifters are cool. This one's no exception. Like a typical lifter it looks very gracile and a well aimed fart could blow it into the scrapyard.
This one is an exception. The floor model us never shown actually flying, thus probably isn't functional. The videos have no audio and the flying unit clearly has an EDF(Electric Ducted Fan) in it for propulsion. So UT is clearly not telling the truth.
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@@natsume-hime2473 Just a thought, maybe the fan is for initial liftoff?
Well aimed fart LOL gives new meaning to "throwing a fart"
@@mmace3 probably not considering that particular EDF pretty powerful, but also very heavy. It's pretty simple, if an ion lifter can't lift itself off the ground alone, there is no way its going to be able to fly under ion propulsion carrying that fan.
The authors of this vid need to either speak to the fan, or remove this misleading video.
why does an ion lifter have a ducted fan in the center? 1:45
Cooling the coils that generate the charges most likely
It is NOT a "new concept." We just haven't had the electronic guidance available until modern drone technology.
This looks interesting. The older asymmetric capacitor "lifters" used aluminum foil on a balsa wood or plastic frame, powered by 35,000VDC. The two sheets of aluminum foil formed the asymmetric capacitor plates. The problems with those were little or no directional control, and very minimal payload capability.
This one is VERY interesting, as it appears not to use solid sheets. It looks like wires or struts with space between them on a frame shaped similar to the old lifters. I need to research these!
I made one using an old CRT monitor and aluminum foil on balsa wood and Tungsten steel wire. It was amazing to see it lift! Never though of using multi levels.
@@garrykennedy5484 i guess there is always a new "mousetrap"
I can go further. I've considered that once the riddle of fusion reactors is solved, the next hurdle will be to miniaturize fusion reactors one day, for military applications, then civilian. With that kind of power, devices can be built to do so many things. And then someone will figure out to create room temperature super conductors. Exciting isn't it. To literally one day fulfill Carl Sagan's prediction. Possess technology indistinguishable from magic. Live long and prosper! 🖖
Materials engineering has progressed quickly
ruclips.net/user/KraussEMUS1
@@garrykennedy5484 me too. Used the final anode tripler for the hv. Successful in that it went up and down, but absolutely no guidance at all, and wouldn't lift more than itself. As they strip the air molecules, the atmosphere around it smelled of ' after a thunderstorm', and there was some debate that constant exposure may have an impact on mental health( how would they be able to tell with me????) I gave up with it as I couldn't get it to move anything else.
This is the one with the screaming loud ducted fan, so loud it’s in their business plan to reduce the massive noise. All from a silent lift system. How dumb do they think people are? Just admit it’s about 90% lift from a ducted fan and 10% from electrostatic drive.
Why can’t they just try to do what DYSON Is doing with their “blade-less” fans? They re-direct the air flow from an internal fan to project the force from small openings that are almost invisible to see. It would be the safest drone and the technology is already more developed than Ionized drones.
1. the weight of an aircraft like that would mostly be those small ducts/openings that's redirecting and concentrating the air.
2. you can only move so much air through a small opening. To make up for that, you'd either need less thrust or a bigger opening, at that point it's just better to have a regular open propeller design.
despite my points here, I don't really have any better idea other than open prop designs. Ionized drones are cool but they're still a long way before being an alternative
A company called jetoptera is using that technology! Also a youtuber called Integza stuck an afterburner on the bladeless fan.
Ethan Krauss yt
Did you watch the video? That is not the point.
This is like saying to someone who invented a car that flies on no tires and causes 0 emmissions.
"why dont you just ride the bus?"
Look up Cleo Robotics Dronut X1
Someone explain why a (what pretty much is) an EDF in the center (time mark 1:45) 🤔😳
Looks Some Sort of Jet Engine, YEs , LOL !
How about that EDF at the middle 1:45? No propellers huh? Funny how it has built in wall to hide it it when it is flying yet and looked from the bottom. But cameraman screw ups and just zooms in on it from the top xDDD
I didn't think we had already reached the power-density level for batteries to be able to lift themselves using this kind of propulsion alone...
It hasn't. They had an radio control electric ducted fan in the center. I call that cheating.
@@johnculver6994 Yeah I spotted that in there too. Notice you didn't hear this either, just the fat guy incessantly talking. It might be quieter than a full on drone but it's not "quiet" with that center fan doing much of the lifting. I imagine the ion thrust is just used for directional control and stability rather than actual lift capacity.
The UT craft doesn't, it would take at least 100s of times more power. The crafts on my channel though do carry their power supplies onboard by ionic thrust. They are the only VTOL ones in the world that do. It makes sense though why mine work and it is clearly described.
Maybe they'll make a deal with Elon for some 4680s!
This technology is from outer space. That's why we used to see UFOs.
That "propeller" (ducted fan, producing 8kg of force) at 1:45 is extremely loud!!! But hey, this new technology promises a good future!!! Keep up! This ducted fan won't be needed in a short period of time!
Also, correct me if you are able to fly without the ducted fan! It's the 12S EDF JP Hobby 120mm???
Oh! So it’s not just magical ions
I was thinking that myself, if its a silent lifting device, why does it need a bloody big ducted fan in the middle of it
That's exactly the one! Red and yellow anodizing, very distinctive. They didn't even try to hide or disguise it.
Current battery tech cannot provide sufficient energy/weight ratios for pure ion lift in any meaningful way. It might be possible to build something superlight that under controlled conditions using supercapacitors for energy storage to get a few seconds of flight time. But it'd be a challenge to do.
@@kaseyboles30 On my channel are the only ones that actually really can do it, but you are right it does have to be super light:).
Not buying it. Ion propulsion can work in space, no friction, no gravity, as all you need is steady acceleration. I think they call it undefined so they can avoid defining the math... Also, in the few glimpses we get, we do not see a full flight, start to finish, and there's a big FAN in the middle of it....
As a physicist I understand the physics behind this, but I have doubts it will be efficient enough to go beyond a proof of principle demo. Package delivery without noise: use cyclists, and construct cycle friendly cities ...
As someone who has no idea how the physics behind this work I am actually pretty positive. Without people/companies developing (new) technology we wouldn't move forward as a society.
As an engineer rather than a theoretical physist.
I would argue ...its possible to hve a swarm of these silent low payload flying drones.
One drone will not drop off a parcel.
But a cage above and below and around the parcel and absolutely a swarm of drones can lift the heavier parcels or whatever application its implemented for.
Think Process Solution, Think Technical Solution...but the best solution is a hybrid of Process and Technical solution.
Think like a practical engineer not like a Theoretical physist when it comes to solving problems...gets you further.
QED
@@borntodoit8744 What makes you think I'm a theoretical physicist? I definitely did most of my research work in engineering actually: building things.
Issues I see with this concept: low energy efficiency and probably difficulty to fly in certain conditions with extreme humidity.
I would like to see some demo's is such conditions before investing.
Vacuum tubes. Like at the old bank drive thrus. God thats a stupid idea. And… post!
I am an EE and specialize in ion propulsion. The UT craft can't lift its power supply without a loud ducted fan in the middle. Their latest video has audio, and it is really clear that there is a leaf blower EDF in the center. On my channel there are 30 + videos of an ion propelled craft that can lift its power supply, but it requires very specific and lightweight construction to make it possible. It isn't probable that UT craft could produce enough force to lift itself using ions considering the construction details of their craft. The thrust to weight is off by several orders of magnitude.
that doesn't have enough thrust density for lift, it's using a fan to achieve flight, not ion propulsion.
here's an excellent explanation why the video above is a pipe dream without massive batteries that would make it too heavy to fly at it's current size. Nope, not "ION propulsion" it's a fan ruclips.net/video/IorDYGI1uqc/видео.html
Stop this video @ 1:26 and check it out. A cute little orange colored fan with a cute little motor. I call bull shit on this whole stunt. Do not send these people a single postage stamp or dime.
The quietness of this might give it stealth military applications.
There has long been rumours of a top secret stealth blimp that has a black triangle radar evading shape, uses lighter than air gas to float, and silent Biefeld Brown effect Ion Thrusters to push itself around.
military applications? I'm thinking about peeping into my neighbors windows.
You're not even scratching the surface of what the modern US military is capable of. Want a weekend killing rabbit hole? Look up The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951. By the end of fiscal year 1991, the number of patent secrecy orders stood at 6,193.
TLDR: Government has the right to make any patent secret.
Saw that ship on the show xfiles
The tr3b?
@@user-bt2lx4gy7h no the tr3b is more of an antigravity device. Assuming it does exist.
The Electrojet™ ionic vortex streaming turbine was the breakthrough technology the world was waiting for.
Now imagine how to arrange the wires to create a columnar laminar flow of air that is compressed and exhausted out to increase thrust.
I think there are imaginative ways to vastly improve this kind of technology.
I agree.
it sounds great , but you are using terminology that i dont understand, . What is a columnar laminar flow, im an old fellow, go easy on me.
It's almost as if the answer was there the whole time. 🤔
That would require too much energy-these things cannot even produce enough thrust to lift their own power source let alone compress air
@@slopeIV There are a series of patented solely ion propelled crafts on my channel that can lift their power supplies. They are the only ones that can though.
Except for the propeller in the middle. Click bait.
5x5 feet... 2 lbs of payload, flying by magic. Can't wait to see how this evolves.
It doesn't have 2 lbs of payload, more like 2 ounces. People just LIE to impress.
@@grahamstevenson1740 It's hard to imagine something as large as that flying in the first place. Sometimes when they talk about features they're really talking about their long term goals. The question is... how long... 2 more years... 20?
Thinking of the first attempt at hang gliding and where we are now. It is a great step forward.
@KamiEuKiTo Yes... definitely. I'm excited that such a thing is even possible in the atmosphere and how it could potentially lead to all sorts of innovations. Even without high altitude flight, hovering a foot off the ground could still eliminate friction and create a fun amphibious glider like they use in the Everglades.
It will evolve for sure
I remember an article on ion lifting devices in the late 1960s, maybe very early 1970s. Popular Mechanics, I think. Of course at that time even an onboard power supply of any significance, much less flight control electronics, wasn't in the cards.
The difference is probably in today's battery energy density.
@@feraudyh Definitely, and more efficient electronics.
@@feraudyh The difference is fraud and lies. See this video of this incredibly loud thing actually flying using a central ducted fan: ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html
The guy's dog must be stone deaf.
There is no way the UT device lifts its power supply with ion propulsion. There is a video of it online called something like UT Mission 2 Flight, where a loud ducted fan can clearly be heard spooling up in the center of the craft.
On my YT channel there are about 36 flight videos of a series of ion propelled crafts that are patented for lifting their power supplies. They had to be built very light in weight and required a large number of particular upgrades to get the power supplies onboard. I don't believe the UT craft has onboard power, nor is it "silent."
Man I haven’t seen this type of lift propulsion since I was a kid. I’ve been trying to figure out what it’s called for the past 15 years. (New technology)🤣
people have been tinkering with ionic wind devices for decades and yet to find a way to make it usable... of course if you add a giant brushless ducted fan (WITH PROPELLERS) in the middle like these guys.. yeah it will take off.
I like the enthusiasm of the host. He seems to really be enjoying. It makes watching the video worthwhile.
Inefficient, stupid, scam. Notice the giant fan blowing down in the middle? Ion propulsion for space travel was explored cause the thrust is miniscule and the energy requirement is high. Small thrust, no big deal in a vacuum where you don't have air to push against and no giant fan in the middle would work lol.
ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html
The UT craft is a scam as you can hear from the above video. There is a real version on my channel that is MUCH more efficient and really lifts its power supply with ions! It will have a use some day, especially in space with a small propellant tank added.
There are huge craft with ionic propulsion that are tethered to huge step up inverters producing 1000+ volts to get their flight but the substructure is balsa wood . No way can you produce that amount of power off of 2 lipo batteries. It works but no way Without a ton of batteries for a few seconds . I’m seeing EDF also.
never used a tv high voltage transformer?
I have my doubts as well.
There are some ion propelled crafts that lift their power supplies solely using ion thrust. They can only be found on my channel though. They only work because they follow known physics in a very particular way. You are correct about the UT craft. There is no known way it could lift its power supply in its current form.
"It's quiet!" *proceeds to show all the video with audio removed* hmm... yeah ok.
Of course the govt wants silent drones. Gee I wonder what they will be used for.........
Technology advancements is all well and good but don't forget that everything we have developed has been used against us in one way or the other. And this gives tyranny a front row seat into any target they want to get rid of. So I hope while this is being funded and developed, i hope someone is developing a countermeasure for use against these things.
The UK invented licence plate readers to combat the IRA and Terrorisim, not one IRA arrest was made from them and they are only used to fine people and monitor their movements.
At 1:45 it looks a lot like a propeller and intake with housing that extends down to the landing gear.
Really? And how does the air go through the plate right below it?
You're pointing out a cooling fan... You expect that to produce zero heat?
@@seasparrow7427 The title of the video clearly says "no propellers". That's clearly a propeller.
@@seasparrow7427 EDF motors are used to produce thrust and cool the electronics in nearly ALL RC aircraft.....not familiar with the hobby huh?
#DualPurposeFan
@@jaybomb5022 EDF would be prop thrust. EDF would be a poor choice to try to cool anything, a trimmed down computer fan would be lighter and easier to use if cooling were a concern. RC Aircraft electronics don't need active cooling at ambient temps. You can keep flight controllers, receivers, ESCs all inside airplane bodies, or strapped to low airflow areas of a multirotor without issues.
@@mikelostcause My Extra 300, Cessna C188, Glasair Sportsman, etc all keep the ESC directly behind the motor with its own independent airflow channel. Alot of EDF jets also keep the ESC in the wind channel area to keep the heat sink cool.
Flowing air is flowing air and a ducted fan is a great choice to cool electronics.
Maybe on a small drone or cheap toothpick you're absolutely correct. But for real high performance applications 4S+ you 100% need to air cool the electronics. Especially on sophisticated flight controllers.
DJI has a separate fan for its IMU alone to prove the point.
Nice try though.
A future silent drone, possibly with multiple computers controlling the zones for the ion wind to steer and move... I look forward to this
They create ions by breaking down air molecules, which they then propel using strong electruc fields to create lift. They produce ozone.
@@trucid2 It's possible to design one that doesn't, but they usually do.
@@KraussEMUS1 How would you do it? Without ions you don't get thrust.
@@trucid2 Hi LP, The crafts on my channel just add electrons to the O2 in the air. O2 has a high affinity for electrons and just grabs them up. It just takes a very high voltage low current power source. It also takes a super light large surface area craft and very specialized electronics and geometry to maximize the thrust per watt.
@@KraussEMUS1 Very cool. I looked at some of your vids. That thing looks like a UFO.
That's in old black and white videos on youtube. Lots of people including kids made these things.
Yes, but there is only one series of solely ion propelled crafts that really have the power supplies onboard. There are 35 flight footage videos of them on my YT channel.
This is amazing! If you partner with the D.O.D. two things will happen: You'll get massive funding, and we'll never hear about this project again because it will be militarized and go black. All good wishes!
My Daughter and I built a Lifter for her school science project after her teacher told us our idea would not work....we got it to work although it was tethered to the ground and somewhat eratic......it is nice to see the tech going beyond the tether
Well the technology hasn't got off the tether. They used an EDF in the center to provide lift.
@@johnculver6994
On my channel there are a series of the only ion propelled crafts that lift their power supplies. They do still have non- conductive safety tethers, but I hope to get rid of those asap. I agree with you that the UT craft is clearly propelled by a ducted fan.
@@theinsane101 You did not look at my channel, patents, and website. I did find a way to do it, but it was very difficult. It had to be very large and light. I have also been working on it for 22 years. I have left very clear information to explain how the thrust to weight ratio was increased so much. I know "lifters" are not going to lift their power supplies, but my craft does!
@@theinsane101 Also, if you look on my channel under the videos tab the 8th video down shows closeup footage of one of the older power supplies that flew onboard in the "early experiment" video. It is shown making large sparks and they are visibly sent to different areas for steering. I would appreciate an apology once you realize that my invention works. I did not spend my life as an EE working with in propulsion to trick people. The officials that support that my craft lifts its power supply, by well-known physics, are not "liars" either. I know the thrust to weight had to be increased a lot.
sure looks like a propellor jet turbine 1:45, that is what they use in model planes and jets... doh?
On my channel are the only real ion propelled crafts that lift their power supplies vertically. Here is what the UT craft really is. A loud leaf blower, EDF, powered machine:
ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html
Mmm, i wonder why they put a ducted fan in the centre of it!
This been out for many,many yrs.Its called a lifter.the first one was tin foil triangl shape wit three wires connected to a very high volt transformer or a tealsa coil.look up high volt ion lifters on youtube.
I remember that! I might even have a copy of the discussion.
All the comments from people who don't understand why and how this tech has resurfaced.... even trying to say it's called something else..... 😂 always been ionic propulsion.......since 60+ years ago.....
I talked to a high school electronic teacher about this concept 60 years ago. He warned me about the dangers of the phenominally high DC Voltages. Power supplies are more efficient now.
Yes and batteries are lighter for a given capacity and power rating.
@@gordonlawrence1448 - the HUGE problem with the batteries is how efficient they can store a required amount of energy, for HOW LONG, and in WHAT conditions.
Any Tesla owner will know how the batteries behave at sub-zero temperature ( higher you go, in atmosphere, colder it is ! ) ;
I believe that JLNlabs got something flying in the early 2000s but it might have been a fixed wing plane. This is looks basically like a big version of what back then was called "lifters". Fun to play with and interesting to see that some still work on this.
yes!
I had a friend around that time who was working under contract with Texas Instruments who was doing work for he said NASA but that might have been just him telling me that to not get in trouble but anyway he was working on something like this with a team in Dallas. So much of this is tied to grant money and just keeping scientists and engineers working. You could fill 10 football fields up with stuff like this thats been designed and built since the 1950s.
I love the name of the company - UNDEFINED TECHNOLOGIES. Might as well be IMAGINARY VAPORWARE.
One puff of wind and that old school LIFTER will blow away. I am glad to see they are working on stable flight designs. I have built many Lifters years ago when it was the thing to do. Small basic ones and large 4 foot ones. Never spent more than a few dollars to build and used junk CRT supplies. But with out some sort of controls they had to be tethered. So it is interesting to see them working on a balancing system.
what makes you think anybody gave money? these and commonly inexpensive materials available in any hobby store to Home Depot. one of proof of concept. less then $100-ish.
Scam
Look the demo, they made a HQ video! That is in the middle is NO WONDER WHY, is a SMALL JET ENGINE! Look the exhaust of the engine, is fitted with servo-controlled flaps. That controls the outgoing flow. Why the hell needed the big area bullshit? Is the stabilizing area, with weight, and made the sourrounding airflow "parallel" to the jet"s mainflow.
They found the dumbest, and so loud reporter to made that "amazing" video. It's a scam, guys.
Investor scam alert.
ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html
The only real ones are on my channel, and they are verified.
This is an older technology from about 20 years ago. I've seen this done over and over again with lightweight triangles. Any kind of real wind would
probably knock this down. You're better off using a small wire from the ground that you can plug in.
Gonna need a looooooong extension cord.
The point always should have been to use it to reduce the frame weight to zero or near that and use multi axis engine to maneuver. Ppl are smart and some ppl clever. Takes a genius to do both.
I'm 99.9999% sure That's a propeller in the center @ 1:27 maybe the prop does the heavy lifting and the ion propulsion does th balancing?
What happens to flies when they land on it while it's ionizing the air around it?
It loses its power crashes - leaving your pink handcuffs and but plug purchased on Amazon on the road for someone to steal
@@jenny-DD Those were my dad's! We have the same name!
That this guy got this wooden drone out without getting killed is amazing, since ION Lightweight Technology is one part of classified military technology for over five decades.
Ion lifters have been made since the 1970's.
@@paullangford8179 theres a ducted fan on that thing lol at 1:27
Not really. This is not magic and not high technology. Its just inefficient and thats why you dont see it anywhere.. jet engines on the other hand can generate more than 100 times the power of a car engine. Thats why planes use jet engines and why all power plants use turbines. Efficiency is all that matters. Ion propulsion only works well in a vacuum like space.
He has a fan in the middle of it too, I just noticed, what a joke that guy is, a real scam artist.
Sure.
Lol, watch the original test video with sound on. IT USES AN EDF. AKA a high thrust propeller on the bottom that is super fucking loud. You can Totally see it at 1:25. Really blows their claimms of silent propellerless flight out of the water.
1:27 - That looks rather like a ducted fan cowl in the middle there...
I'm kind of thinking this is fan lifted and uses ionic propulsion to stabilize it.
This has many hallmarks of hoaxes I have seen in the past, hence I am skeptical.
Also the HV lifters people are mentioning in the comments, are not capable of lifting any meaningful amount of weight as they fly electrostatically, and are not capable of carrying their own power supply.
Something just doesn't stack up here...
There is one type that really can lift its power supply. It is demonstrated in 33 flight videos on my channel, and there are 2 patents specifically especially for it lifting its power supply. I agree though that the UT craft uses a ducted fan. They have a video on their website with audio.
@@KraussEMUS1 I get the overall sense having seen many video like this over the years, that show very little progression in the field, that the principle of ionic lifting is probably best suited to zero gravity environments - however as this effect largely vanishes with the atmosphere, it could be very hard to convince me that this is the way of the future for cost effective transport of anything more than a few grams
@@TheAussieRepairGuy Well, the crafts on my channel lift their power supplies. That represents a huge improvement in thrust to weight to do it in real life. They look similar to other EAD thing on the surface but there are actually an awful lot of changes needed to make them lift their power supplies. You are right though unless they are very large, they wont lift much weight except for a few small optional propellant tanks, ultralight solar cells, and a small camera and video transmitter.
@@KraussEMUS1 I imagine these used in non-flight use cases such as silent cooling and electrostatic manipulation etc.
1:26 there's literally an EDF propeller in the middle haha a bunch of scammers. The efficiency of ion drives in the atmosphere is non existent, MIT did an rc plane awhile back and could just barely get it to maintain flight for an extremely short time.
I saw videos on a airplane someone built with the same propulsion method. Works the same as those ionic air filters you might have in your house or at least seen on TV. Charged air is drawn from the negative plate to the positive. I was impressed that this could actually lift more than it's own weight. The lack of moving parts is pretty cool. Just wish it was a bit more efficient.
You forgot to say that the airplane CANNOT POSSIBLY BE MADE TO MOVE (while on Earth) using only ion propulsion.
IT'S A SCIENTIFIC IMPOSSIBILITY!!!!!
@@manifold1476 You obviously haven’t worked with high voltage electrical systems. Stopping them moving is a major challenge.
Ya theyve been using electro-magnetically charged particles for stuff like this since the late 80s and probably way before that. This isnt anything new.
That was MIT's V2 craft. Theirs was not the first ion propelled craft to lift its power supply though, nor is it nearly as efficient as the earlier series of solely ion propelled crafts on my channel. They are patented since 2014 for lifting their power supplies onboard against Earth's gravity solely with ions. There is a video on my channel of one producing a greater than 1 to 1 vertical lift for almost 2 minutes.
The UT craft above requires a high-powered ducted fan in the middle as its source of lift rather than ions.
@@KraussEMUS1 *Making the 70s great again*
Once they figure out how to fly without the fan in the middle it'll be great for combat. Completely silent, just a 4' by 4' Box, Sneaking into the enemy position.
Was looking for a comment about the fan in the middle. Let us hear it running and how much that fan is contributing.
Thanks for admitting it has propellers. Pure dung description. Fairytales continue....
oh yes, drone noise is going to be our biggest problem... nice square design. that's obviously optimal - if you are going to crutch this tech up on bad design so it lags for 110 more years... hes awfully excited about this need for silent drones. this balsa diy crap will make sure it doesn't breach into the public domain. make sure it seems impossible to do, and have the interviewer be in absolute shock and amazement with apparently no background in any developments at all, not just lately, but ever. his idea that his consult is worth money and that his company would somehow become this market is so dissonant with the very plans that have kept this off cameras since they first started selling film retail.
Back to the future hover board is looking more real as we see this technology evolve 👍 very cool 😎✌️
The moment he mentioned ions, I knew it was lifter tech. I remember CERN developing something similar, using an electrostatic field across an aluminium frame to create aero lift.
It has a giant propeller fan in the middle.lol
@@lcfflc3887 The fan in the middle is used for the purpose of distributing necessary gases to the "lifters" to produce ionic thrust as ion propulsion requires gases to operate.
@@ComRed_ LOL dude really 👈😃🤣 real ion crafts have no fans and you are lying.
@@lcfflc3887 They perhaps could use tubes or pressurized gasses (as in most models), but here (I am not entirely certain as I am not the author of the build) they might have used a small ducted fan to distribute the gasses, besides I could confirm that a fan that small wouldn't be able to lift that thing up.
@@ComRed_ Sorry to burst your bubble, but this craft is lifted by a very loud EDF. Later videos on UT's own site that have audio prove this. They're obviously not making an actual ion lifter and it's nowhere near silent. It's a scam.
The cage is made of balsa wood or spaghetti? Good luck ionising anything with that. And that crapp has a ducted fan right in the middle! SHAME shame on you. BTW is ripoff shaming still politically correct?
Wonderful, really! Hopefully the military will keep their hands off of new technologies... but they will not... Slowly let us transform this world in a place where technology helps us expand and be happy, and not help us to kill each other like twerps...
They may already have patents on it. ! Looks unstable so far. Were excelleratimg in electronics. Who knows whats next.?
@@johnramirez5032 Sure, every good technology will be used for military (i.e. killing) purposes... Alas! Mine is just a dream.
@@stefano2069 life is adream we live. Think good thoughts.
I suspect this is using the Biefeld-Brown effect, and not an "ion drive" -- but it's still impressive!
I hope they continue to develop this!
This could be the prototype for a genuine flying car in 20 to 30 years...
Yeah.......no.
Flying cars won't be a thing for as long as it requires a bunch of times more energy to lift something into the air compared to rolling it on the ground. Unless we find a way to levitate stuff without expending energy, or find an energy source so plentiful that it won't matter, we will continue to build roads and roll on the ground.
@@mrkiky Well, your crystal ball and my crystal ball disagree with each other 😛
@JZ's Best Friend I think I got 20 to 30 good years ahead of me. Anyway, I got mine from a scalper near Times Square, bleh 😛
The UT craft requires a noisy high-powered ducted fan in the middle to fly. On my channel are real ion propelled crafts with onboard power. They are patented for lifting their power supplies against Earth's gravity. They are however very lightweight.
not new tech. and those are defeintely not new flaws in this tech.. those flaws are very old..
the flaw being absolutely massive power use and inefficiency.. so i ask, can it fly for more than 23 seconds without a tether and ground-based power supply?
also, does it kill people if you accidentally touch it?
I hope this can be minimised and streamlined for the future, imagine ionic craft flying from city to city...silent commuting...
The UT craft uses a loud ducted fan: ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html
The real thing is on my channel. It doesn't lift anything heavy yet though.
This is a waste of resources. This type of propulsion will never take off. Literally. This “company” will be out of business within 3 years
"Flying by magic" LMFAO No propellers means this thing would be uncontrollable in ANY wind.
There's something strange in this drone; I thought the electrodes had to be of different metals and sizes to get a lifting effect. I also wonder how did they avoid the lightning.
Distance. It won't start popping until it's covered with filth.. remember, it's the same thing as an ionic air purifier. We all know how hard it is to clean those...
Strange? Probably the propellor in the center.
@@jamesbizs that small propeller in the center alone couldn't lift the device.
@@brujo_millonario It's plenty big enough for an edf. If you hear it running you'll hear just how fast it's spinning. VERY fast. That's how electric ducted fans work. That ducted fan alone is enough to meet the claims. The Ion system look to be secondary control/trim in function. Fine for a testbed to iron out ion flow control systems for such things or even ion propulsion systems for space craft/probes, where very tiny thrust over long periods can add up a lot.
These things will really take off with wireless power, and turning the structure into a battery.
Thinking a sky platform....massive like a hot air balloon...
It is floating in the air ...has potential to drag energy from the atmosphere to power itself (Tesla tower style maybe)
Yes! Turning the structure into a battery is a good idea. It is elegant because it eliminates unnecessary structure and simplifies the design. The integration of form and function is the way of the future.
Who falls for this bullshit. You can see the fan in the middle of the prototype, and when the thin lands it almost breaks in half. No way that's going to fly 15 min with 2 pounds of weight.
I call BS
Sharper image used to have an air purifier without moving blades that used this technology. The issue is that the propulsion is very weak. I have a hard time believing it can lift anything of any substance.
The problem with ion propulsion systems of all sorts is, that propulsion is only a byproduct of the energy expended to i) split an air molecule (N2, O2), and, ii) to ionize it (ionization energies are provided by Wikipedia). This is the reason, why ion thrusters can not replace conventional rocket engines.
@@debrainwasher The UT craft uses a loud high powered ducted fan for propulsion.
On my channel are the only ion thrusters that really lift their power supplies vertically. The crafts work by just adding electrons to the outer shells of ambient O2 molecules. O2 has a strong affinity for gaining extra electrons that is why it is called an oxidizer. By creating small amounts of negative ions in the oxygen component of the air, an airflow can be created without requiring the energy to reach the ionization potential that you were referring to. It flies on very little wattage so long as it is low enough in weight and that geometry is just right.
I’ve seen ionocraft but i never expected to see one turned into a drone! I guess it should be rather obvious but i imagine its extremely technical.
It has an EDF in the middle of it with control fins.
On my channel are the only really ion propelled VTOL crafts with onboard power.
Still surface level tech. The Shadow gov. Has tech wayyyy beyond this.
The secret is to use high voltage applied to the metal square.
The high voltage ionizantes the air and generate a repulsion.
hence, repulser technology
What a happy host. Genuinely excited to be doing what he's doing.
happy is getting your money and has nothing to that works :)
Promoting fraud is always fun.
lol
I watched some videos put out by the company and it’s actually very noisy with a high pitched whine. Their channel also doesn’t allow comments - big red flag.
Awesome Tech this is the first step in the right direction love to see this technology applied on a grand scale what kind of aircraft could fly without propellers or jet engines pretty wild possibilities
Would probably be a lot more impressive without that massive EDF in the middle though
Not as Awesome as you think. It sucks a lot of power to produce very little lift, so it can't carry much battery, flight time is very limited. It can only travel vertically, unless it's fitted with other propulsion systems. It doesn't work well in uncontrolled atmospheric conditions, humidity and temperature change at every elevation, so it has a low flight ceiling.
It will never replace rotors, propellers, and jets because it is impractical beyond toy scales.
@@pwnmeisterage I just believed that any kind of tech that does not involve a rocket engine or propellers is a good start to Tech might not be perfect but it is definitely a step in the right direction no propellants needed know what I mean?
@@frogsshadow4189 The real version is on my channel, in case you didn't know.
ufos
Hopefully in a hundred years people will look back at this footage and tell their children that machines like that were the first steps of silent personal aviation transport.
No more buzzing drone fans means great potential for the future!
Somehow I think people in a hundred years will see this and laugh. "Oh look. Another person who never figured out how gravity/anti-gravity worked." ION propulsion is bullshit. Using the atmosphere to propel you is a dead-end.
Well, as a "drone experiment" it is interesting. But it is nothing new and nothing effective. "An ion-propelled aircraft or ionocraft is an aircraft that uses electrohydrodynamics (EHD) to provide lift or thrust in the air without requiring combustion or moving parts. Current designs do not produce sufficient thrust for manned flight or useful loads": wikipedia
I've seen ionic propulsion before. Whole lot of energy, very little thrust. Hmm, looking for investors? Everyone has the right to throw away their own money.
The break through on this was the portable power supply so it could fly without wires attached , now the problem will be control in wind and how precipitation will affect the charge on the "wings" of the craft !
Old Zeppy had to fly in calm days cause landing is a bbitch. It only took 1 time and an ERA was ended...in a BLAZE OF GLORY. Google Graf Zeppelin and watch video
I'm wondering if the vanes are made of helium back filled metal coated aerogel. would be amusing if it had near neutral buoyancy in the air.
i doubt it is. but thats an interesting idea
Why does the "silent" ion propelled drone have a fucking 90mm EDF in the middle. Did anyone else notice that ducted fan in the center of the drone?
20 years or so ago lifter technology was all over the internet... We just now have the advantage of the newer and more efficient tech
never heard of it.
Actually 20 years ago laptop computers had ccfl backlights in them and florescent light power supplies were all over the place. Those types of inverter transformers that powered them were closer to what can be used to power self-contained ion propelled crafts. There have been some minor improvements in capacitors and lipo batteries, but lipos did exist in the early 2000s. Not sure of the exact date. I made an ion propelled craft hop in 2006 using them. It now has two patents since 2014. It takes a lot of special details though to make it work.
For over 20 years I always wondered if this would work only in my mind, And to finally see it working on here means i was really onto something, For years i tell people that i know how to make a real hoverboard, Where he mentions protons pushing and pulling, My idea with the board would be similar, Where we use the atoms in the air to ack a levitation carpet that the board manipulates as it goes forward and redirected into a downward flow. If this drone on the video used low frequency sound waves, they maybe able to get the drone to have a stronger lift.
Ya or maybe an even bigger EDF in the center lol
Well now you know it can be done...why dont you licence your idea of 20years to someone (or even these guys).
Make some money, eliminate noice pollution from drones, save the planet.
Personaly i want one that carries my beer from the fridge to my armchair
@@borntodoit8744 I am Actually Autistic, and Disabled, I am 48 years old, I literally solve everything around me, because I don’t think like people who have been University or higher education.
I was miss diagnosed at school, and had only myself to solve everything in my head.
I have a way of making use of what tools are at my advantage.
I literally invent things all the time, normally everything I can see in my mind, normally just works out.
I have never had any funds to be able just fund one good practical invention, my life dream is to invent myself back to be able to walk again. Then have a huge workshop and a team of people, so we can make the world better.
I can even write original fantasy stories out of thin air, I worked out so many things, and even worked out the whole of creation, and how everything was created, if I could get a special helmet made, I know how to see through our future selves eyes, the most I have seen before it happens is about 6 hours so far. I hope that one day I will be able to get money from future knowledge to then use to fund future invention projects.
I accidentally discovered seeing a future event 23 years ago now, and I have had time to work out how to make technology so that I can train myself to do it myself.
But we are only projecting our consciousness to the future through our own eyes.
So I guess I could say I did time travel for real.
If only a person will deep pockets could at least let me be part of a team.
My biggest surprise was seeing it superimposed on a photo of Hobart, Tasmania. Why pick a photo from the other side of the planet?
You can plainly see the intake fan in the middle during test flight, which they were hiding at the convention. Also, if the panels are providing all the thrust why do they bend downward like they're gonna snap off when it lands as though they're barely hanging on?
Flying by magic!
I'm not going to lie -- that's what it looks like!
@@Roswellflighttestcrew1947 Really ? All i see is an Electric Ducted Fan ( Impeller ) in the middle of this construction ( yes, a fan, like a propeller, contrary to the title of this video) and the so called very silent drone is loud as a leaf blower as you can see in this video ruclips.net/video/iihprC5Huf4/видео.html
So i don´t know where the magic is and why people are hyping this fake !? This is just a giant fraud to get investors money.
No propellers, except for the noisy EDF turbine in the middle generating enough lift so that the drone can fly you mean?
Tecnologia sendo liberada a humanidade parabéns pela iniciativa 👏👏👏👏
This is a "Naudin lifter". The best one that i've seen, so far.
It works like a light weight version of those ionic fans from the early 2000's.
I think some MIT students made a model airplane version of a lifter. So, instead of hovering, it flew.
You can make your own rudimentary version of this with scrap items. Just don't electrocute anyone. Caution ⚠ High-Voltage.
Neither regular lifters, the MIT glider, nor the UT craft can lift their power supplies vertically solely with ion propulsion. The UT craft uses a ducted fan and none of those craft have a sufficient thrust to weight ratio. LIfters used to require external power supplies weighing kilograms to lift a tethered model weighing grams. On my channel are a series of ion propelled crafts that are patent for lifting their onboard power supplies against' Earth's gravity. There are a lot of details that have to be right for it to work though, and those details are missing on the other three types of crafts mentioned.
@@KraussEMUS1 Here's the MIT pusher. It looks cordless.
ruclips.net/video/q2LTjFzuUbQ/видео.html
Ion flow between potentials means you could establish an electric potential between two mesh domes so atmosphere on Mars flows inward increasing the 'air pressure' inside the inner most dome.
Imagine all that power going through your veins, let's Go get your electrons flowing ! Suit Up.
sorry but how can it be quiet... dont day not propellors. it has thrust. so enough air is rushing by to lit it .. that cant be completely quiet