There are some minor mistakes in the video. The potential difference between the two electrodes (wire and wing) is 40kV, since the wire is charged to +20kV and the wing to -20kV. The voltage type is also DC and not AC. The DC voltage of the battery is converted to AC by a H-bridge circuit. This AC is transformed to a higher voltage level and finally converted to a high voltage DC by the Cockroft-Walton generator.
It has also been in "development" a lot longer. A paper describes the theories of ionic propulsion and is basically what they build today. In the paper they even say, that it will be possible they just don't have the technology to make the transformers etc small enough. (both was done my MIT tho)
It's rather ionic, don't you think? The thrust required will never be enough. It takes too long to build up enough thrust for regular flights. You don't want to take several months to fly somewhere.
kitemanmusic what if the plane already had propulsion flying in the air and instead a jet engine plane flew next to it to drop passengers in then landed and repeated
@@FrozenSniperShots Or a hybrid if that's possible: jet propulsion to get into the air and get to the right speed and ion propulsion to just keep the same speed going.
Hearting this for visibility mostly. 1. I don't put ads on my videos for the first month, so there is little reason to try and place 2 ads. 2. People need to stop assuming that a videos length is determined by that. If I make a video just below 10 minutes I get praised, if I make a video above 10 minutes I get complaints. The videos are as long as they need to be, and I don't know single EDU channel that doesn't follow that principle.
@@jaywu4804 The cool sounds the ties make are a guy in a 1930s movie screaming as he's eaten by a crocodile. It's the most overused scream in stock footage history. They just did some computer processing to the sound to make it sound more mechanical.
@@WildBluntHickok Well, just like people said: In space, no body can hear you scream unless you are being eaten by a space crocodile 🐊 while sitting in a metal ball.
When I was developing atmospheric plasma systems for thin film deposition, I came accross the way one could make very dense plasmas (requiring a lot of amps but not many volts) in standard atmospheric conditions in air. This principle is used in plasma cutters: you make your initial spark using high voltage / low amperage and then, since your plasma is already conductive, you apply a second power source with a lot of amps. When you have a dense plasma in atmorpheric pressure, you can go WAAAY beyond the thrust density you see in MIT's prototype. I though it was a nice invention but then came the bad news: since you ionise air, you leave behind nitric acid, ozone and a bunch of other toxic stuff. It's a pitty we cannot use this engine, even if MIT gets it at some point. I may put it on my channel at some point because it certainly looks great when you see it (plasma is always amazing...)...
Any idea of what sort of thrust to power ratio you get? I'd think the high current requirement would make it impractical for airplanes. It would be great to see the device in action. I hope you make a video showing it off. I think a lot of people would want to see an airplane propelled by a plasma torch even if it's not a practical form of propulsion.
@@ddegn The high voltage is imractical. High amperage low voltage is safe and easy to make. Anyhow, haven't done any testing to see what the thrust to power ratio one gets, will have to at some point revisit this idea and make a video. :)
@@ddegn Thanks so much! That really helps a new channel! I will try my best to come to this video shortly. For now I need to upload the final video on the CMOS series and then another on Plasma Electrolytic Oxidation so that the channel starts being also on material sciences. Hope you like the content that is coming. Best regards!
I have a plasma cutter, but plasma cutter uses pressurized air and it's that air that gives the thrust and not the plasma! On truth that air is already turned in plasma state but with the same molecular density from air! And the density that causes the thrust! Do you remember the rocket equation?
I remember reading about ion engines in grade school 50 years ago. Seems they haven’t come nearly as far as those books authors predicted. Reminds me of the nuclear fusion joke; it’s always 30 years away. (Yes, I’m aware they play a very small roll in satellites)
Ion engines don't play a "small" role in satellites An ion engine is the main engine in a space probe thats visiting asteroids ion engines are used in many places
Ethan, yeah I'm sure that was what I was rembering. A large high voltage power supply with a long cable. I was fascinated by the concept though and realized that an on board supply would be necessary to further the idea.
Hi @@mastershooter64 , I never said they play a small role, it must have been someone else. They are very important in space and will soon be commercially available for small lightweight drones, like the working rough prototypes on my channel.
You missed one of the HIGHEST benefits of Xenon, low ionization energy. Low ionization energy means less of the total energy input is used ionizing and more is used for acceleration.
@@johncauthorn498 My guess is that as he said the benefit of this vs the one in space is that this one doesn't have to carry its own supply of atoms to ionize. Nitrogen is the most common element in the atmosphere so it would make sense for them to try to use that instead of having a supply of xenon on the plane
@@allenstuder6938 Actually that's one of the things that can be avoided. If instead of the racks the MIT team used you used pins along the surface of the airfoil, you could increase the airspeed over whichever airfoil you wanted. Somebody made a small RC plane that had a normal propeller but the pitch and roll was ion drive. It wasn't great but it was the idea XD
I tried skillshare - I stopped trying and wrote to them that I want my account deleted. Was actually thoroughly disappointed with their service. For something so well advertised I would expect something more functional. I can get my materials elsewhere right now.
Halcyon where is elsewhere? I want to research multiple viable options. Also, if you don't mind sharing, what were you disappointed about and felt lacking?
I found skillshare extremely disappointing. I got my account, then proceeded to spend nearly half an hour browsing topics. I didn't find a single thing which interested me, so I scrapped my account less than an hour later. It's just not useful for my needs. I'd rather use open course ware and the like. It's free and has real university lectures on every subject imaginable. Or if you want something more concise, there's Khan Academy.
@@Derpuwolf Basically what Nothing/ said. The exact same experience - just an unorganised stack of study stuff and much of it is actually average quality at best. That's the impression I got out of it so it's really hard to find legit good information there. I mean you could if you wanted to but it's definitely way below it's potential.
@Hmmm Private trackers will circumvent all of this anyway. Education shouldn't be behind paywalls. Even research papers are behind paywalls and for that there is Sci-hub. Knowledge is the only thing advancing us further as a civilization. Well somehow one's got to make a living in life so it's a weird conundrum overall.
What happens when you put a negative Ion generator into the atmosphere? I somehow think you will have more energy than expected. It will find you lightning fast.
@@jistorian9502 and the power level is directly proportional to the amount of the pilot's childhood friends are dead and or fighting them in their own mech.
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What is your view on nuclear fission power on a global scale? I think we should build more modern designed reactors. Or even thorium molten salt reactors.
Uranium and plutonium reactors are not making use of a renewable resource (at least, not in isolation) so given our current problems I don't think it does much for us long term. Thorium reactors can be made to regenerate the fuel used, so that may have more merit. It's an open question whether it's worth the effort though. Nuclear power is expensive. VERY expensive. Meanwhile, the cost of solar and wind power is has been dropping exponentially over many years and shows no signs of stopping. Battery prices are also dropping fairly rapidly, which is great for static storage applications. (energy density of batteries has not improved anywhere near as much, hence why electric aircraft are problematic - since typical fuels currently used still have something like 300 times the effective energy density per unit mass.)
Molten Salt Reactors are the only model we can A) Cool consistently enough and B) Miniaturize enough while maintaining effective shielding. Our main problem is that we've been building reactors far too big, which makes them vastly more expensive to service and doesn't incentivise shutdown or complete overhaul. What we need are fission reactors for individual cities not entire states.
@@KuraIthys Battery energy density is nowhere near the level where it can be deployed as effectively as we need. It's just not on the table yet and we're going to need a solution to bridge extended gaps once it does either way. MSR + Solar + Geothermal + Battery + Biogas + Compressed Air Energy Storage + Pumped Hydro Storage is the ideal mix to pursue. It's not something to be dogmatic about. Breadth of options beats a singular approach.
I think solar panels are a much better way to go, supplemented with geothermal, hydroelectric, and wind energy in compatible areas. I'd just stick solar panels to every surface exposed to the sun. However, storing the energy is something else. Nuclear power, I feel, is sort of underdeveloped due to the stigma behind nuclear. We need better reactor designs, fast. Or we need more fuel, but this option only opens up when we get something like asteroid mining.
I am a physicist and now doing my MS in global navigation satellite systems. I watch videos of real engineering regularly and love every single one of them. I am really interested to learn about this channel. Please let me know is this channel owned by a single individual or a team? How do you know about so many topics. What is your method of research or study for such topics because you usually explain with so many details.
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Real engineering. I don't see how you get to these values. If you take a Trent 1000 engine, your power consumption is 540 W/N or 1,8 N per kW. I don't see how you get 50 N per kW for a helicopter. Could you please show me your calculations?
Everything starts somewhere, dude. The first steam engine was a ball with two pipes in it and a fire underneath. Look how far steam engines went. Same with the first gasoline engines, electric motors, and now the first ion engine. We'll look back on this moment and say "I was there when they first made these!"
There are about 40 videos of the first and only solely ion propelled aircrafts that specifically are patented for having onboard power on my channel (since 2014). They are capable of VTOL flight for up to about 2 minutes and are tremendously more efficient. They were patented in 2014, and widely published and verified, for lifting their power supplies against Earth's gravity.
I have an idea that utilizing ion propulsion would be very viable on a small "winged" airship. A hydrogen balloon coated in lightweight solar panels to provide the majority of the lift and wide, thin wings similar to a glider extending outwards from the gondola. These would be large scale or sequenced ionic wing thrusters. I'm not a mechanically minded person this just struck me recently and I had the idea that if lift was already taken care of and you didn't care about high rates of speed you could utilize the efficiency of ionic thrust and solar power. A 50ft long cylindrical balloon with a 15ft radius can lift just under a ton. Make the gondola out of the lightest material possible A single pilot, subtract your battery packs weight, subtract the weight of solar panels, subtract the gondola weight and youve suddenly got several hundred pounds of wiggle room
Don't usually comment on videos unless I have a lot of respect for the creator and think I can help the community. I'm an aerospace engineer currently working on manned EVOTL. What you said about power required scaling as the square of mass is not correct and the equation at 7:36 is misleading and taken out of context. I'm not commenting to flame mental superiority, it's just that you're removing interest a technology that will soon greatly improve the world by telling your 1.5M subscribers that electric aviation doesn't scale when the truth is that is scales really well.
Thanks for standing up for the tech! If you don't already know? there is an earlier ion propelled aircraft with onboard power. If you click on the purple icon to the left, you can see some rough prototypes in flight.
Always thought EHD aircraft were a neat idea, but it's really amazing to see them becoming something more than a novelty. ...On that note, it'd be neat to see a short on variable-buoyancy propulsion, and the submersible vehicles (e.g. Slocum Thermal) and aircraft (UK's Phoenix drone) that use it.
@@michaelhall9138 Control would be easier than you think. Split the electrostatic stuff so that each wing has its own thrust. Increase the total thrust to climb and make one wing have more than the other to turn. With resonant power supplies (like used here) the voltage can be varied while keeping the thing efficient.
your major mistake is to think of this in terms of improvement on existing applications. instead you shoould think abaout new applications that can be achived by this technic
Reduced stress means lighter parts which means lighter aircrafts which means lesser fuel which means lighter aircrafts and a cycle can start though having a small weight different it's important as it's reducing energy sources.
I wonder if you could optimize the core ion drive structure using AI. Build it from the ground up and optimizing every aspect of it like the air gap and voltage needed to produce the optimal thrust and overcome drag enough for a sustained lift. Could produce a cool hover board like green goblin.
Art Bell did a levitating ion drive "drone" years ago. It takes a metric crapton of electricity, and it produces a crapton of ozone. This may be a greatly refined version of that, but I'm still very skeptical.
Yeah, people see the words "solid state" or "ion drive" and lose their minds 😆 It's just a mega-upscaled ionic breeze air freshener. We had one at home and all it really did was pull dust out of the air. I went to a restaurant once that had an industrial "air purifier" (ozone generator with fan). I felt absolutely nauseous.
After I noticed it turned out that the flying vehicle could float because it was driven by a launcher. But we must continue to strive so that Electric Propulsion Technology can be realized! Good Job! #plasmaengine #plasmathruster #electricpropulsion
Unfortunately yes. I have made an atmospheric plasma drive of 2KW based on plasma cutter principles. The problem is what you mentioned. So even if MIT get's it and gets beyond the mW range they are in, they will come face to face with this unfortunate fact...
Probably depends on energy level of the ions. There are home ionisers which are carefully tuned to avoid generating ozone or nitric oxides. I have one, it also makes slight breeze without moving parts.
This is so exciting , this is just the beginning. The progression of this is going to take people's breath away , along with the simple rather than the complicated : )
In the last century we called it "lifter" and we built it out of skewers, wire and aluminum foil. The model started vertically. The power source was a TV high-voltage transformer (30-50kV) and a rectifier (there is an error in the video because it cannot work on AC). This home ion engine with an area of about 1m2 raised the egg. Horizontal flight was impossible because the model was tethered because of external power supply with two-wire high-voltage power supply.
Please click on the channel icon on the left to see 12 videos of an ion propelled aircraft that does have onboard power. Please see the NPR news program about it and video with officials present as well, Thanks. It can also rise vertically!
@@KraussEMUS1 Obviously you didn't understand, or the google translator misrepresented it. I have been experimenting with this type of "propulsion" in the last century and have tried it in a vacuum chamber. Since there were no portable high-voltage power supplies, the model had to be restrained and therefore only started upright. This only shows that this is an old idea and I was irritated by the fatal inaccuracies in the video.
@@DL-kc8fc Dear Boleslav, I was just writing about ion propelled crafts with onboard power(flies through the air carrying its power supply.) There is really only one that uses solely ion propulsion, not MIT's, excluding lighter than air crafts. I wasn't sure if you had seen the crafts that I built on my channel. They all have onboard power! Anyone that uses the improvements I have found, should be able to get a much improved thrust to weight ratio. Thanks for replying!
Self-driving cars? Checked. Quantum desktops? Kinda... You can request quantum computing time through IBM cloud, including from your PC. Fusion power? 69% ready. Literally, that's the Q value of the JET reactor. Just give it few more years, it'll get to 100%. Mission to Europa? That's a tad more difficult than the rest of your milestones, but we're working on it one step at a time. For now - we're building a Moon base. In 5-10 years, when we have an outpost there, then we'll think about Mars, Europa and everything beyond. Ion planes sound absurd, but maybe they have a future?
Having played hundreds of hours of Kerbal Space Program, I know how hard it can be to make an ion plane. The difference being, I can't even manage that in KSP, and here these guys did in in real life where the rules of (and problems with) it are literally on a different magnitude o_o
not at all - here it's only a projection of imagination, not any accurate nor precission account of what is really possible to build and use NOW! (not mention our very limited knowledge about space, mass and time, as well as so called 'cosmic vacuum' properties... And Cosmic Space as a whole... so, we can as well laugh all together - we are dreamers! Well, well, well...
Dear Real Engineering, may i ask how you guys are so up to date with the latest technology, is there any particular website or because of relationship with top researchers. Thank you so much and have a nice day
@@delwyngomes4640 Thanks Delwyn, I think I'm just an enthusiast that put a lot of time into it. It's mainly just focusing on one thing and keeping at it. There are still lots of exciting improvements to come if we are lucky. Best regards:).
I love the engineering mindset: get excited, explore the possibilities, then swiftly shit on it for all its issues....good, keep staying hopeful but grounded in reality. Cheers from another engineer
This propulsion system was comprised in 1967 on STAR TREK series and a working prototype engine created in 1979. with lithium battery and pulse generator. Look out here comes the Enterprise.😀light speed ...no problem!
The only novelty is actually constructing it with modern, light enough components and battery that it can be actually carried aloft by the engine it powers. But that sounds a heck of lot less impressive so yay PR...
You don't seem to understand energy density and seem to be ignoring what the video said about how the weight icreases disproportionately to the lift you can produce. They're not going to make anything commercially viable that runs on lipo batteries. This stuff's been around since the 60's. If it were practical, somebody would have done it.
why put it on a plane in the first place? try a helium balloon or zeppelin or something that has its own lift. sure, the drag is immense, but so is the area to work with. you could even incorporate He tech into the wings of an aircraft for aerodynamics.... use the drag to extract high voltage static etc ....
My grandfather was born before the first flight and he flew once on a 747. He saw the birth of cars, radio, telephone, refrigerators, electricity, television, CDs, movies, color film, and going to the moon. Also indoor plumbing. Amazing when you think about it.
@@whyguy3651 they don't. Birds get carried away by strong up draft currents, like eagles do when gliding high up. Other than that, they don't fly in strong weather..
Please note, there is a much earlier patented ion propelled aircraft with onboard power. If you're interested, please google US Patent 10,119,527 for more details. This earlier series of aircrafts can fly vertically or horizontally with their onboard power supplies for about 2 minutes.
I love the Wright brother's analogy with this latest tech. Yes isn't a big leap over other ion drives but still in it's infancy. The future looks bright!
The above video is based on a paper from the Journal Of Nature called "Flight of an aeroplane with solid-state propulsion." The lead author was student author Haofeng Xu. Xu et. al. were not correct in writing or stating essentially that theirs was the "first heavier than air ion propelled aircraft of any kind to carry its power supply." One of their reviewers called me and apologized, saying that they did not know about the earlier ion propelled aircraft that was already patented and well verified for lifting its power supply against Earth's gravity. Their are currently about 30 flight footages of the much earlier and more efficient ion propelled aircraft online. There is also video of the power supply and with the host of NPR present. In other words, it is simply a science fact that there is an earlier one with onboard power. It is also a fixed wing aircraft, although it can fly vertically as well as horizontally using aerodynamic lift.
It DOES repel the ions, but only with a certain force, once the ions inside the magnetic bottle get excited by electrons to high enough voltage, the ions will move with more energy than the repulsion of the grid, and because they slip through the holes in the grid, all the stored energy is released by repelling on the grid and pushing the spacecraft and ions apart. Higher voltage positive grid will increase speed, but also increases the negative voltage of electrons inside the chamber to heat the ions.
@@taylorwestmore4664 when xenon ion is inside the craft it experiences two major forces.....one attractive (negative grid) and one repulsive (positive grid) ......the positive grid is nearer to it so it's repulsive force should be greater and the xenon ion would not approach the exhaust
A large percentage MIT's theories about ion propulsion are not correct. They are not the first to carry a power supply using ions either. To answer your question in part, they did not use xenon since there is no need to carry onboard propellant in the lower atmosphere and the surrounding air can be used for that purpose. If you would like to see the earlier, more efficient, patented ion propelled aircraft with an onboard power supply, Please click on the purple icon the the left.
If you read my patent you will see it differently. If you click on the purple icon the the left you can see 4 flight videos of an ion propelled aircraft with onboard power, that predates the MIT device. @@taylorwestmore4664
They still are. There exist indoor model aircraft made of the thinnest of balsa wood strips covered with ultra-thin film for wings, that can slowly glide through the air pushed along by the minute thrust of an elastic-powered propeller that is barely turning at all - that does not mean they ever had any relevance to actual full-size aircraft and powered flight. This is no different.
@@esecallum When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. Arthur C. Clarke
@@FactoryofRedstone Go and watch RealEngineering's own video about electric aircraft propulsion, all of the problems listed there apply to this technology, and then consider than the ion drive is producing 1/10th the thrust per kilowatt that a propeller driven electric engine would produce. It's essentially not feasible for commercial aviation until we have compact fusion devices, and/or batteries that store a couple orders of magnitude more energy.
@@FactoryofRedstone When a scientist states that his propulsion system works - when the video recorded obviously shows that glider (with a low wing loading) being launched by a bungee cord launcher, one has to wonder if that scientist is a drunkard. I bet that if you stick it on a Cessna, you wouldnt even get it to budge one nanometer. Ion propulsion doesnt work in the atmosphere for a variety of reasons - chief among them being air resistance. As was mentioned in another post above, they have been building rubber band powered gliders for years. The only difference between those gliders and this POS marketed as a new propulsion system, is that a rubber band glider can actually fly under it's own power, whereas that "ion" glider had to be launched with an elastic cord.
It sounds like polarized haul's of ships like star trek, in which various energy signiture's could be promoted on such haul's. This would allow intake and out take of energy ions. This would allow possible communication signiture's and shielding potential off the haul to be emitted. It's neat that electric propelled planes move, in a earth atmosphere. With the right tuning, it could possibly move it through other environment's like outer space. This would allow a vessel, or object to thrust movement entirely all at once from a polarized haul. Or entirely all at once, to have communication signal's emitted from the whole polarized haul. This in theory, should also work for nano bot's as well, as they could mimic that feature of polarized haul's. Nano bot's could move around and through environment's. As they thrust, or hover through environment's. Also if nano bot's emitted the right energy signiture's, or signal's. They could be detected from devices and communication with them from other devices would be possible. Cloaking would be possible as well, for those polarized haul's. As they could be blending in microwaves and other possible background noises, to have it appear normal. The only thing really, is to have polarized haul's charged well enough. For strong energy field dynamics of interaction's to be in the environment. Everything is like torus Field's, or alternating current fluctuation's. I like another name for this, force balance.
Propulsion might be increased by using either uv or x rays to ionize air prior to the electrostatic field. This may increase the number of ions being accelerated by the electrostatic field. You might be able to use a soft x ray generating tube calibrated to emit x rays that do not travel far beyond the end of the wings.
There are some minor mistakes in the video.
The potential difference between the two electrodes (wire and wing) is 40kV, since the wire is charged to +20kV and the wing to -20kV.
The voltage type is also DC and not AC.
The DC voltage of the battery is converted to AC by a H-bridge circuit. This AC is transformed to a higher voltage level and finally converted to a high voltage DC by the Cockroft-Walton generator.
It has also been in "development" a lot longer. A paper describes the theories of ionic propulsion and is basically what they build today. In the paper they even say, that it will be possible they just don't have the technology to make the transformers etc small enough. (both was done my MIT tho)
It's rather ionic, don't you think? The thrust required will never be enough. It takes too long to build up enough thrust for regular flights. You don't want to take several months to fly somewhere.
kitemanmusic what if the plane already had propulsion flying in the air and instead a jet engine plane flew next to it to drop passengers in then landed and repeated
@Honey b. I don't think Allah has anything to do with this
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Or a hybrid if that's possible: jet propulsion to get into the air and get to the right speed and ion propulsion to just keep the same speed going.
I love that you dont push for that 10min mark
Hearting this for visibility mostly. 1. I don't put ads on my videos for the first month, so there is little reason to try and place 2 ads. 2. People need to stop assuming that a videos length is determined by that. If I make a video just below 10 minutes I get praised, if I make a video above 10 minutes I get complaints. The videos are as long as they need to be, and I don't know single EDU channel that doesn't follow that principle.
Do you not want him to make money ?
@I Am Sekou youre a sociopath
Hello there friend!
Why? 933 or 10 for cash, why should i give a shit?
@@RealEngineering just keep up the great work. However long the video doesnt matter, when we can learn more
Much as I know the physics, this is still magic to me
It's all just s reaction
It's engineering 😀😀😀
@@umeshhajare1733 It's actually plasma physics
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I recall a negative ion generator gadget. Apart from removing dust it had a very obvious detectable airflow.
Yall realize this is the first step in building a "twin ion engine" or TIE Fighter.
@Richard Vaughn yeaaaah
@Richard Vaughn Are you telling me that the cool sounds the TIEs make are not possible?
@@jaywu4804 sound is nothing but vibration and in space there's no medium for those vibrations to go through so yes, space is silent.
@@jaywu4804 The cool sounds the ties make are a guy in a 1930s movie screaming as he's eaten by a crocodile. It's the most overused scream in stock footage history. They just did some computer processing to the sound to make it sound more mechanical.
@@WildBluntHickok Well, just like people said: In space, no body can hear you scream unless you are being eaten by a space crocodile 🐊 while sitting in a metal ball.
Rare footage of TIE Fighter prototype being tested
TIE FIGHTERS CONFIRMED!
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@Mikolaj Kraszewski what does that have to do with my comment?
Damit, you beat me to the joke.
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Love how the ion propelled plane looks remarkably similar to the right brothers plane of over 100 years ago.
Because, much like that one, it doesn't really fly.
@@sirdeakia really how doesn’t it “really fly” just curious unless you mean it just glides
@@sirdeakia its flying, just poorly.
@@deidyomega its falling sideways
I see you've been playing Kerbal Space Program.
Remember check your staging
TIE FIGHTERS CONFIRMED!
Holy shit, it's you again!!
Definitely RUclips employees on shifts that run this “Justin Y” thing
Do you ever leave the house?
When I was developing atmospheric plasma systems for thin film deposition, I came accross the way one could make very dense plasmas (requiring a lot of amps but not many volts) in standard atmospheric conditions in air. This principle is used in plasma cutters: you make your initial spark using high voltage / low amperage and then, since your plasma is already conductive, you apply a second power source with a lot of amps. When you have a dense plasma in atmorpheric pressure, you can go WAAAY beyond the thrust density you see in MIT's prototype. I though it was a nice invention but then came the bad news: since you ionise air, you leave behind nitric acid, ozone and a bunch of other toxic stuff. It's a pitty we cannot use this engine, even if MIT gets it at some point. I may put it on my channel at some point because it certainly looks great when you see it (plasma is always amazing...)...
Any idea of what sort of thrust to power ratio you get?
I'd think the high current requirement would make it impractical for airplanes.
It would be great to see the device in action. I hope you make a video showing it off.
I think a lot of people would want to see an airplane propelled by a plasma torch even if it's not a practical form of propulsion.
@@ddegn The high voltage is imractical. High amperage low voltage is safe and easy to make. Anyhow, haven't done any testing to see what the thrust to power ratio one gets, will have to at some point revisit this idea and make a video. :)
@@BillDemos I just subbed to your channel. I really hope you get around to making a video on your ion thruster.
@@ddegn Thanks so much! That really helps a new channel! I will try my best to come to this video shortly. For now I need to upload the final video on the CMOS series and then another on Plasma Electrolytic Oxidation so that the channel starts being also on material sciences. Hope you like the content that is coming. Best regards!
I have a plasma cutter, but plasma cutter uses pressurized air and it's that air that gives the thrust and not the plasma! On truth that air is already turned in plasma state but with the same molecular density from air! And the density that causes the thrust! Do you remember the rocket equation?
No moving parts?! 😰
xD
Darn details don't you know.
No, you must remain motionless. Forever.
You don’t think airlines won’t get rid of reclining seats eventually? Hell some airlines are talking about removing seats totally. :P
That would suck cant even relax
I remember reading about ion engines in grade school 50 years ago. Seems they haven’t come nearly as far as those books authors predicted. Reminds me of the nuclear fusion joke; it’s always 30 years away.
(Yes, I’m aware they play a very small roll in satellites)
I believe that I read a Scientific American article about these drives in the 60s.
Ion engines don't play a "small" role in satellites An ion engine is the main engine in a space probe thats visiting asteroids ion engines are used in many places
Ethan, yeah I'm sure that was what I was rembering. A large high voltage power supply with a long cable. I was fascinated by the concept though and realized that an on board supply would be necessary to further the idea.
Hi @@mastershooter64 ,
I never said they play a small role, it must have been someone else. They are very important in space and will soon be commercially available for small lightweight drones, like the working rough prototypes on my channel.
If the military can weaponize it, itd a
Only take a month for it jump ahead an entire century
You missed one of the HIGHEST benefits of Xenon, low ionization energy. Low ionization energy means less of the total energy input is used ionizing and more is used for acceleration.
Kenneth Ferland yes I don’t understand why they used nitrogen instead on xenon
@@johncauthorn498 My guess is that as he said the benefit of this vs the one in space is that this one doesn't have to carry its own supply of atoms to ionize. Nitrogen is the most common element in the atmosphere so it would make sense for them to try to use that instead of having a supply of xenon on the plane
@@johncauthorn498 because there's no xenon in the surrounding air.
#Bwhahahaha
@@imadmorsli2871 If it worked at all....
Ion Engine: I am the first aircraft engine with no moving parts!
Ramjets: Am I a joke to you?
Scramjet: WTF dude?!
you must have valves and probably a pump(s) ... moving. Flaps, rudders ... hmmm...
Pulse jet: sky rex you suck you forgot me.
@@teresawatson8936 Ion planes also have flaps and rudders\
Paper Airplanes:
@@allenstuder6938 Actually that's one of the things that can be avoided. If instead of the racks the MIT team used you used pins along the surface of the airfoil, you could increase the airspeed over whichever airfoil you wanted. Somebody made a small RC plane that had a normal propeller but the pitch and roll was ion drive. It wasn't great but it was the idea XD
Paper airplanes: *am I a joke to you?*
It is a science for paper airplanes. I enjoy it.
Glider: am I a bigger joke??
Bruh moment
Emphasis on "powered flight".
gliders: am i a joke to you?
*_Wendover Productions wants to know your location_*
I'll fight any man
If I read one more "wants to know your location" or "left the chat" comment I swear I will punch someone.
Dublin, Ireland.
@@sebastianelytron8450 *FBI wants to know your location*
@@sebastianelytron8450 Interpol also wants to know your location.
TIE FIGHTERS ARE ALMOST APON US!!!
Twin
Ion
Engine
Yes, then we can create a grand empire and conquer the galaxy!!
Ion propulsion has extremely low thrust - it could never do what the TIE fighters in the movies do.
It's not a fighter
If I could just get a light sabre.
@kavitha cm good point. Even a warping wing would have moving parts.
2018: The Plane With No Moving Parts
2028: The Plane With No Cabin Or Wings
Yeah, why use wings if you can use directional thrusters.
2030
The iplane you pay 3000 usd to drive somewhere
You mean a quadcopter?
@AKUJIRULE yeah that's right, no luck there without breakthrough propulsion technology
@@steelwasp9375 ya, sit on a rocket instead.
Woo! Trying skill share to start the new year. Unfortunately, my life has moving parts, but we're giving it a go.
I tried skillshare - I stopped trying and wrote to them that I want my account deleted. Was actually thoroughly disappointed with their service. For something so well advertised I would expect something more functional. I can get my materials elsewhere right now.
Halcyon where is elsewhere? I want to research multiple viable options.
Also, if you don't mind sharing, what were you disappointed about and felt lacking?
I found skillshare extremely disappointing. I got my account, then proceeded to spend nearly half an hour browsing topics. I didn't find a single thing which interested me, so I scrapped my account less than an hour later. It's just not useful for my needs. I'd rather use open course ware and the like. It's free and has real university lectures on every subject imaginable. Or if you want something more concise, there's Khan Academy.
@@Derpuwolf Basically what Nothing/ said. The exact same experience - just an unorganised stack of study stuff and much of it is actually average quality at best. That's the impression I got out of it so it's really hard to find legit good information there. I mean you could if you wanted to but it's definitely way below it's potential.
@Hmmm Private trackers will circumvent all of this anyway. Education shouldn't be behind paywalls. Even research papers are behind paywalls and for that there is Sci-hub. Knowledge is the only thing advancing us further as a civilization. Well somehow one's got to make a living in life so it's a weird conundrum overall.
8:27
That SleeK hand Shake THO
FlawlessOldie was looking for this comment. I knew someone would notice that too
Looks to me like they just launched it off a winch or slingshot and it glided across the room.
But steel is heavier than feathers.
Imran Ahmadov so what's heavier, a pound of steel or a pound of feathers?
@@greenthizzle4 ha it's a trick the feathers are heavier
@@obamaprism114 nope the feather are heavier you need more to make the same weight and more means heavier
caeden V volume does not equal weight
Dave Tin can I think they're trolling
What happens when you put a negative Ion generator into the atmosphere? I somehow think you will have more energy than expected. It will find you lightning fast.
At first I didn't see the pun - then it struck me.
@@doggo6517 I am so shocked by the pun too.
"no moving parts"
but... but ... but... that's the opposite direction to making Mechas...
Good lol
need a pilot with a good set of lungs. everyone knows mech power is coupled directly to how loudly pilots is screaming/flailing at the controls
@@jistorian9502 and the power level is directly proportional to the amount of the pilot's childhood friends are dead and or fighting them in their own mech.
I want my GUNDAM...
Not really. If you watch enough anime you could see they use ion wings to fly.
RealLifeLore = Toyota Corolla
Wendover Productions = Airplane
Real Engineering = -Rockets- also airplanes?
i suggest you to unsubscribe to RealLifeLore, this guy tells too much cracks
What the hell is a "crack"?
Practical Engineering - Concrete
Na blueprints
Mustard is up there with Real Engineering & grandfather Kurtzegat.
US ARMY : "Alright now how do we turn it into an ion bomb" 🤔
Hmm 🌚
If they haven’t weaponised it already.
Why tf would they do that when they've already made hundreds of nuclear weapons.
@@drained1177 why wouldn't we. Answer me that
You mean the human race, right?
That thing looks remarkably similar to some of those dawn of flight era designs
'Having no moving parts is a benefit that can not be overstated" is what he should have said.
Correct....that was the point at which I lost interest.
When you have 1000000 patience in KSP
Or the betterwarp mod installed like others do, so you can travel in the atmosphere or do burns at 30-50 times the normal speed
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@@СергійТіток Bot! Or just (extremely) misplaced advertising, but I feel like calling you a bot.
What is your view on nuclear fission power on a global scale? I think we should build more modern designed reactors. Or even thorium molten salt reactors.
Uranium and plutonium reactors are not making use of a renewable resource (at least, not in isolation) so given our current problems I don't think it does much for us long term.
Thorium reactors can be made to regenerate the fuel used, so that may have more merit.
It's an open question whether it's worth the effort though.
Nuclear power is expensive. VERY expensive.
Meanwhile, the cost of solar and wind power is has been dropping exponentially over many years and shows no signs of stopping.
Battery prices are also dropping fairly rapidly, which is great for static storage applications.
(energy density of batteries has not improved anywhere near as much, hence why electric aircraft are problematic - since typical fuels currently used still have something like 300 times the effective energy density per unit mass.)
Molten Salt Reactors are the only model we can A) Cool consistently enough and B) Miniaturize enough while maintaining effective shielding.
Our main problem is that we've been building reactors far too big, which makes them vastly more expensive to service and doesn't incentivise shutdown or complete overhaul.
What we need are fission reactors for individual cities not entire states.
@@KuraIthys sure...but the power output of windmills an solar panels compared to the area they take up (their power density) is quite pathetic...
@@KuraIthys
Battery energy density is nowhere near the level where it can be deployed as effectively as we need.
It's just not on the table yet and we're going to need a solution to bridge extended gaps once it does either way.
MSR + Solar + Geothermal + Battery + Biogas + Compressed Air Energy Storage + Pumped Hydro Storage is the ideal mix to pursue.
It's not something to be dogmatic about. Breadth of options beats a singular approach.
I think solar panels are a much better way to go, supplemented with geothermal, hydroelectric, and wind energy in compatible areas. I'd just stick solar panels to every surface exposed to the sun. However, storing the energy is something else.
Nuclear power, I feel, is sort of underdeveloped due to the stigma behind nuclear. We need better reactor designs, fast. Or we need more fuel, but this option only opens up when we get something like asteroid mining.
I am a physicist and now doing my MS in global navigation satellite systems.
I watch videos of real engineering regularly and love every single one of them.
I am really interested to learn about this channel.
Please let me know is this channel owned by a single individual or a team?
How do you know about so many topics.
What is your method of research or study for such topics because you usually explain with so many details.
Wendover Productions is playing at some T-Series shenanigans and trying to overtake me in Instagram followers. Can't let him win. instagram.com/brianjamesmcmanus/
Real Engineering nuclear reactors are good
MIT is a wizard college, got it.
Real Engineering just saying every propulsion system will have moving parts. It’s called *Throttle*
RazorRidge
Actually, volt regulation can be done with non moving electrical components and digital systems
Real engineering. I don't see how you get to these values. If you take a Trent 1000 engine, your power consumption is 540 W/N or 1,8 N per kW. I don't see how you get 50 N per kW for a helicopter. Could you please show me your calculations?
When an ion engine can carry a person as far as the Wright brothers flew on their first flight I will sit up and take notice, but it's a start.
If you click on the channel icon to the left, you can see one that predates the MIT one with an onboard power supply. That is the start.
Everything starts somewhere, dude.
The first steam engine was a ball with two pipes in it and a fire underneath. Look how far steam engines went. Same with the first gasoline engines, electric motors, and now the first ion engine.
We'll look back on this moment and say "I was there when they first made these!"
@@WinterCharmVT 60 years ago and they still don't work.
The government has tr3b flying triangles, and force us to stay in the technological equivalent of the Stone age with this garbage.
"I'm not impressed by this revolutionary application of physics, tell me when it can benefit me"
3:49 "Here on earth it has a completely different set of challenges, Here on earth
planes pose a completely different challenge"
Yes, on earth you have an unlimited source of propellant known as the atmosphere.
@@dag_of_the_west5416 what I was pointing out was that it was two takes/versions of the same line, both left in.
There are about 40 videos of the first and only solely ion propelled aircrafts that specifically are patented for having onboard power on my channel (since 2014). They are capable of VTOL flight for up to about 2 minutes and are tremendously more efficient. They were patented in 2014, and widely published and verified, for lifting their power supplies against Earth's gravity.
I have an idea that utilizing ion propulsion would be very viable on a small "winged" airship. A hydrogen balloon coated in lightweight solar panels to provide the majority of the lift and wide, thin wings similar to a glider extending outwards from the gondola. These would be large scale or sequenced ionic wing thrusters.
I'm not a mechanically minded person this just struck me recently and I had the idea that if lift was already taken care of and you didn't care about high rates of speed you could utilize the efficiency of ionic thrust and solar power. A 50ft long cylindrical balloon with a 15ft radius can lift just under a ton. Make the gondola out of the lightest material possible A single pilot, subtract your battery packs weight, subtract the weight of solar panels, subtract the gondola weight and youve suddenly got several hundred pounds of wiggle room
Everybody gangsta until one of the plane’s parts starts moving
Don't usually comment on videos unless I have a lot of respect for the creator and think I can help the community. I'm an aerospace engineer currently working on manned EVOTL. What you said about power required scaling as the square of mass is not correct and the equation at 7:36 is misleading and taken out of context. I'm not commenting to flame mental superiority, it's just that you're removing interest a technology that will soon greatly improve the world by telling your 1.5M subscribers that electric aviation doesn't scale when the truth is that is scales really well.
Please see the patented "Self Contained Ion Powered Aircraft" www.electronairllc.org@Wet Johnny
I was teaching but now only work at electronairllc.org
@@carlstovermusic
Thanks for standing up for the tech! If you don't already know? there is an earlier ion propelled aircraft with onboard power. If you click on the purple icon to the left, you can see some rough prototypes in flight.
Always thought EHD aircraft were a neat idea, but it's really amazing to see them becoming something more than a novelty.
...On that note, it'd be neat to see a short on variable-buoyancy propulsion, and the submersible vehicles (e.g. Slocum Thermal) and aircraft (UK's Phoenix drone) that use it.
This. This is how jet packs.
I better be alive for mass produced, silent, affordable, jet packs Jetsons style.
Duhe duhe duhe duhe duhe duhe
"The Plane With No Moving Parts", so how do you get inside it?
HORRIOR: Or control it!
A nano wall like on the Doom film - ruclips.net/video/Lhs-6en-XK0/видео.html
; )
The door could always be open so it doesn't move.
@@michaelhall9138
Control would be easier than you think. Split the electrostatic stuff so that each wing has its own thrust. Increase the total thrust to climb and make one wing have more than the other to turn. With resonant power supplies (like used here) the voltage can be varied while keeping the thing efficient.
@@michaelhall9138 A touch pad
science channels : masters of sponsorship segways
*segues
Skillant... They love em
your major mistake is to think of this in terms of improvement on existing applications.
instead you shoould think abaout new applications that can be achived by this technic
Reduced stress means lighter parts which means lighter aircrafts which means lesser fuel which means lighter aircrafts and a cycle can start though having a small weight different it's important as it's reducing energy sources.
Your comment sounds wise. I think you would like my channel with a VTOL ion propelled craft with onboard power.
I wonder if you could optimize the core ion drive structure using AI. Build it from the ground up and optimizing every aspect of it like the air gap and voltage needed to produce the optimal thrust and overcome drag enough for a sustained lift. Could produce a cool hover board like green goblin.
Art Bell did a levitating ion drive "drone" years ago. It takes a metric crapton of electricity, and it produces a crapton of ozone. This may be a greatly refined version of that, but I'm still very skeptical.
Yeah, people see the words "solid state" or "ion drive" and lose their minds 😆
It's just a mega-upscaled ionic breeze air freshener. We had one at home and all it really did was pull dust out of the air.
I went to a restaurant once that had an industrial "air purifier" (ozone generator with fan). I felt absolutely nauseous.
I think we got a way to solve the ozone layer problem
Not only ozone. It will create even bigger amounts of NOx. Unhealthy in every way.
@@HB-et5iv Good to know!
@@HB-et5iv shit
I remember this from the 90s where people made floating triangles
Jepp. It's called Biefeld-Brown effect and was patented in the 1960s.
It even was on Mythbusters... ruclips.net/video/UCiU96rJJoo/видео.html
Well... That is not quite the same... But it's still no moving parts... And it's waaay more efficient.
After I noticed it turned out that the flying vehicle could float because it was driven by a launcher. But we must continue to strive so that Electric Propulsion Technology can be realized! Good Job! #plasmaengine #plasmathruster #electricpropulsion
When the nitrogen is ionised, does it react with the oxygen in the air and does the plane leave a trail of nitric acid vapor behind?
hopefully yes
MIT is working on real-life Chemtrails!
Unfortunately yes. I have made an atmospheric plasma drive of 2KW based on plasma cutter principles. The problem is what you mentioned. So even if MIT get's it and gets beyond the mW range they are in, they will come face to face with this unfortunate fact...
and ozone, probably.
Probably depends on energy level of the ions. There are home ionisers which are carefully tuned to avoid generating ozone or nitric oxides. I have one, it also makes slight breeze without moving parts.
This is so exciting , this is just the beginning. The progression of this is going to take people's breath away , along with the simple rather than the complicated : )
I love the comment, no moving parts, I want to move my seat, we need more humor in our lives, good job
In the last century we called it "lifter" and we built it out of skewers, wire and aluminum foil. The model started vertically. The power source was a TV high-voltage transformer (30-50kV) and a rectifier (there is an error in the video because it cannot work on AC). This home ion engine with an area of about 1m2 raised the egg. Horizontal flight was impossible because the model was tethered because of external power supply with two-wire high-voltage power supply.
Please click on the channel icon on the left to see 12 videos of an ion propelled aircraft that does have onboard power. Please see the NPR news program about it and video with officials present as well, Thanks. It can also rise vertically!
@@KraussEMUS1 Obviously you didn't understand, or the google translator misrepresented it. I have been experimenting with this type of "propulsion" in the last century and have tried it in a vacuum chamber. Since there were no portable high-voltage power supplies, the model had to be restrained and therefore only started upright. This only shows that this is an old idea and I was irritated by the fatal inaccuracies in the video.
@@DL-kc8fc
Dear Boleslav,
I was just writing about ion propelled crafts with onboard power(flies through the air carrying its power supply.) There is really only one that uses solely ion propulsion, not MIT's, excluding lighter than air crafts. I wasn't sure if you had seen the crafts that I built on my channel. They all have onboard power! Anyone that uses the improvements I have found, should be able to get a much improved thrust to weight ratio. Thanks for replying!
@@KraussEMUS1 Now we probably understand each other. I will definitely look at your next work (currently I cannot watch videos).
@@DL-kc8fc
Perhaps you could try a different computer or different programming?
Amazing engineering! This shows that there are Edison, Tesla, and Einstein intellects in our generation.
Edison was a liar and an asshole
Einstein was an asshole to his wife
@@luongmaihunggia everyone who made a difference with science was those things.
@@archiecoolsdown5854 being a genius does not justify being an asshole.
so expect ion planes 30 years after commercial fusion, self driving cars, the manned mission to Europa and quantum computing in desktops?
self driving cars... are already here: ruclips.net/video/8H5tjNimoBs/видео.html
basically except for self driving crashmobiles. NEVER. Ok #COLDFUSION.
Seems legit
Self-driving cars? Checked.
Quantum desktops? Kinda... You can request quantum computing time through IBM cloud, including from your PC.
Fusion power? 69% ready. Literally, that's the Q value of the JET reactor. Just give it few more years, it'll get to 100%.
Mission to Europa? That's a tad more difficult than the rest of your milestones, but we're working on it one step at a time. For now - we're building a Moon base. In 5-10 years, when we have an outpost there, then we'll think about Mars, Europa and everything beyond.
Ion planes sound absurd, but maybe they have a future?
Having played hundreds of hours of Kerbal Space Program, I know how hard it can be to make an ion plane.
The difference being, I can't even manage that in KSP, and here these guys did in in real life where the rules of (and problems with) it are literally on a different magnitude o_o
BloodyRain2k I’m skeptical it really flys. Seems more like it glides a bit further than no power.
To be fair this is a bit different to the ion drives in ksp. Same principal, different execution.
not at all - here it's only a projection of imagination, not any accurate nor precission account of what is really possible to build and use NOW! (not mention our very limited knowledge about space, mass and time, as well as so called 'cosmic vacuum' properties... And Cosmic Space as a whole... so, we can as well laugh all together - we are dreamers! Well, well, well...
@@fidziek Love that #TESLAroadster in Orbit. NOT.
Japanese were also conducting ion engine research since long back. How much have they succeeded is no known. Thanks for this clip.
Dear Real Engineering, may i ask how you guys are so up to date with the latest technology, is there any particular website or because of relationship with top researchers. Thank you so much and have a nice day
The internet. Dude how old are you.
Could this be used to keep air passing over a stalling wing going smoothly without much power or drag, allowing for higher angles of attack?
vruh Harvard is looking for you
hmmmmmmmmm.....Possibly!
The ion wind produced by this is not actual wind or air flow so no, it cant.
It could, but VGs require no power
Ionocraft: we don't need wings.
US Patent Number 10,119,527. Please see it fly with onboard power using only ion propulsion before the MIT version.
You're a genius!
@@delwyngomes4640
Thanks Delwyn,
I think I'm just an enthusiast that put a lot of time into it. It's mainly just focusing on one thing and keeping at it. There are still lots of exciting improvements to come if we are lucky.
Best regards:).
I love the engineering mindset: get excited, explore the possibilities, then swiftly shit on it for all its issues....good, keep staying hopeful but grounded in reality.
Cheers from another engineer
This propulsion system was comprised in 1967 on STAR TREK series and a working prototype engine created in 1979. with lithium battery and pulse generator. Look out here comes the Enterprise.😀light speed ...no problem!
'who knows where we'll be in 100 years time?' -I do - dead.
It said we as in humanity not you
-14 subscribers with no videos He’s still right. If things don’t change. We as in humanity will be dead.
Well historically as medical technology advances people live longer, perhaps this century it may be common for people to live 100 years.
4:40 So it's just an h bridge and a few cockroft walton voltage multipliers. Hardly cutting edge. This stuff's been around for decades.
The only novelty is actually constructing it with modern, light enough components and battery that it can be actually carried aloft by the engine it powers. But that sounds a heck of lot less impressive so yay PR...
Look more carefully at the multipliers and see that they have twice the diodes of a Cockroft-Walton design. It is not a good design.
You don't seem to understand energy density and seem to be ignoring what the video said about how the weight icreases disproportionately to the lift you can produce. They're not going to make anything commercially viable that runs on lipo batteries. This stuff's been around since the 60's. If it were practical, somebody would have done it.
No noise, no jet fuel, no moving parts...........wow...!!! Great work.
The first ones with onboard power though are on my channel. They can do VTOL and more efficient as well.
"It will never lead to anything viable"... spoke I, 110 years ago, as I watched the silly Wrights toy with their useless aeroplane!!!
"a plane with no moving parts"
Me, an intellectual: Paper airplane.
GLIDER
@@toasterhavingabath6980 how turn?
Thin silicon solar cells can be attached to the top , reducing use of batteries
I think that the energy needed to ionize the particles are bigger than what solar cells can provide, but it could reduce the energy cost
@@Solizeus it could at least increase flight time?? I thought... They are very light and thin. Should not affect the flight much
@@prakharmishra3000 Maybe, you would need to do the math
I don't know..I just suggested.
What do you say??
I'm working on a design with only 1 moving part (related to the propulsion), and research led me here, very cool thank you for sharing
Did you finish it?
8:28 this dude in the left being ignored lol
Hahaha😂😂
Poor lad😢
Learned about this technology before this young man was born.
Ionic blimp?
It cant beat the drag
Your hands down my favorite channel. Keep up the amazing work.
"No moving parts"…? Dude, the _whole plane_ moves.
The 'parts' don't
Depending on whose perspective. People on board the plane would say claim the ground and everything else moves
Hahahahahaha you are also right my friend hahahahaha
@@niravjhaveri ya we all know that already after watching the same video you watched.... Hahahaha
@@niravjhaveri r/whooosh
why put it on a plane in the first place?
try a helium balloon or zeppelin or something that has its own lift.
sure, the drag is immense, but so is the area to work with.
you could even incorporate He tech into the wings of an aircraft for aerodynamics.... use the drag to extract high voltage static etc ....
OK THEY LIED.
Gotta try this in KSP
Ion engine in kerbal space program is 2 kilo newton.
I don't think ions work in the atmosphere anymore
this is the greatest explanation i have seen
I can't wait until we can combine ion propulsion with a kind of railgun mass driver to launch sky jumper ships that could reach low orbit. Lok
Most efficient way is to use a hydrogen ballon, not a rail gun. And then, yes, ion propulsion...
imagine real life lore, real engineering and wendover production do a collaboration
_this plane that uses rockets that carries Toyota corollas: how it works_
Funny you should say that.....
me: ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, so that's how they do it
mom later: so what did you learn on the computer?
me: uhhhhhhhh
My grandfather was born before the first flight and he flew once on a 747. He saw the birth of cars, radio, telephone, refrigerators, electricity, television, CDs, movies, color film, and going to the moon. Also indoor plumbing. Amazing when you think about it.
I wager right now, that this will never become commercially viable for operations on earth.
What if it was charioted by multiple giant birds?
7:51 isn´t the v in the drag formula squarded ?
Yes for drag force.
It is cubed for power.
If the air was more viscous, there would be a linear component to drag force.
Aircraft too light and too underpowered will be like a leaf in turbulent atmospheric conditions
How do birds do it then ?
@@whyguy3651 they don't. Birds get carried away by strong up draft currents, like eagles do when gliding high up. Other than that, they don't fly in strong weather..
Please note, there is a much earlier patented ion propelled aircraft with onboard power. If you're interested, please google US Patent 10,119,527 for more details. This earlier series of aircrafts can fly vertically or horizontally with their onboard power supplies for about 2 minutes.
Much better technology will be out soon. I just need to work on my flux capacitor.
That technology will be very unfull on Titan or other planets with high atmospheric density!
Waiting a year for this spaceship to really get going....
I love the Wright brother's analogy with this latest tech. Yes isn't a big leap over other ion drives but still in it's infancy. The future looks bright!
Samuel Langley is the only fair analogy. Since MIT did not make the first one with onboard power and they are being promoted as such anyway.
Wouldn't it become on big moving part?
SupremePenguino what
Of course, but that doesn't violate their goal of no moving part(s)!
What?
Who else is excited about the FUTURE !!
Not really since it's so far in the future we won't be seing it
No one but u
me. i will inherit my parents house and ranch once they die. All this tech is dope but a World war 3 would be pretty exciting also 😀😀
#ᄃᄆᄏᄏᄐᄐ How would a world war be exciting? If you die in real life, you don’t respawn. Life is not a video game.
@@nesc505 So what?
Atleast we will leave our footprints on it
*INSERT WENDOVER PRODUCTION JOKE HERE*
This channel is twice as interesting
Wendover reported this for copyright-strike because of airplane content.
The above video is based on a paper from the Journal Of Nature called "Flight of an aeroplane with solid-state propulsion." The lead author was student author Haofeng Xu. Xu et. al. were not correct in writing or stating essentially that theirs was the "first heavier than air ion propelled aircraft of any kind to carry its power supply." One of their reviewers called me and apologized, saying that they did not know about the earlier ion propelled aircraft that was already patented and well verified for lifting its power supply against Earth's gravity.
Their are currently about 30 flight footages of the much earlier and more efficient ion propelled aircraft online. There is also video of the power supply and with the host of NPR present. In other words, it is simply a science fact that there is an earlier one with onboard power. It is also a fixed wing aircraft, although it can fly vertically as well as horizontally using aerodynamic lift.
5:03 Isn't that trent palmers plane?
I thought the same thing #freedomfox #cubkiller
Yep, definitely the #freedomfox from one of his earlier vids I think. @TrentPalmer
Came to make this exact comment. beat me to it!
I noticed that as well. Pretty sure it is, the distinctive wing and fuselage paint job looks identical.
Why doesn't the positive grid repel the xenon ion??
It DOES repel the ions, but only with a certain force, once the ions inside the magnetic bottle get excited by electrons to high enough voltage, the ions will move with more energy than the repulsion of the grid, and because they slip through the holes in the grid, all the stored energy is released by repelling on the grid and pushing the spacecraft and ions apart.
Higher voltage positive grid will increase speed, but also increases the negative voltage of electrons inside the chamber to heat the ions.
@@taylorwestmore4664 when xenon ion is inside the craft it experiences two major forces.....one attractive (negative grid) and one repulsive (positive grid) ......the positive grid is nearer to it so it's repulsive force should be greater and the xenon ion would not approach the exhaust
It is irrelevant since the MIT craft was not the first with onboard power and is not efficient compared to others.
A large percentage MIT's theories about ion propulsion are not correct. They are not the first to carry a power supply using ions either. To answer your question in part, they did not use xenon since there is no need to carry onboard propellant in the lower atmosphere and the surrounding air can be used for that purpose. If you would like to see the earlier, more efficient, patented ion propelled aircraft with an onboard power supply, Please click on the purple icon the the left.
If you read my patent you will see it differently. If you click on the purple icon the the left you can see 4 flight videos of an ion propelled aircraft with onboard power, that predates the MIT device.
@@taylorwestmore4664
glider: am I a joke to you?
glider is what the wrigth brothers made, its not a plane since it can't lift itself and need extenal interference to get lift
You’re not a plane.
A glider has moving parts. Rudder, elevator,ailerons, flaps, airbrakes, wheels
I like the way you make the airfoil asymmetric
The plane with no moving parts, aka, a rocket with wings
why not power it with a nukuler reactor? using salt as a coollent it provides a stable prate form for ion-drives
Im sure it was discussed here before,so go check out his videos
I always thought Ion engines were too weak for any sort of propulsion within the confines of the atmosphere
They still are. There exist indoor model aircraft made of the thinnest of balsa wood strips covered with ultra-thin film for wings, that can slowly glide through the air pushed along by the minute thrust of an elastic-powered propeller that is barely turning at all - that does not mean they ever had any relevance to actual full-size aircraft and powered flight. This is no different.
IT WONT WORK.MARK MY WORDS.
@@esecallum When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. Arthur C. Clarke
@@FactoryofRedstone Go and watch RealEngineering's own video about electric aircraft propulsion, all of the problems listed there apply to this technology, and then consider than the ion drive is producing 1/10th the thrust per kilowatt that a propeller driven electric engine would produce. It's essentially not feasible for commercial aviation until we have compact fusion devices, and/or batteries that store a couple orders of magnitude more energy.
@@FactoryofRedstone When a scientist states that his propulsion system works - when the video recorded obviously shows that glider (with a low wing loading) being launched by a bungee cord launcher, one has to wonder if that scientist is a drunkard. I bet that if you stick it on a Cessna, you wouldnt even get it to budge one nanometer. Ion propulsion doesnt work in the atmosphere for a variety of reasons - chief among them being air resistance. As was mentioned in another post above, they have been building rubber band powered gliders for years. The only difference between those gliders and this POS marketed as a new propulsion system, is that a rubber band glider can actually fly under it's own power, whereas that "ion" glider had to be launched with an elastic cord.
It sounds like polarized haul's of ships like star trek, in which various energy signiture's could be promoted on such haul's. This would allow intake and out take of energy ions.
This would allow possible communication signiture's and shielding potential off the haul to be emitted. It's neat that electric propelled planes move, in a earth atmosphere. With the right tuning, it could possibly move it through other environment's like outer space. This would allow a vessel, or object to thrust movement entirely all at once from a polarized haul. Or entirely all at once, to have communication signal's emitted from the whole polarized haul.
This in theory, should also work for nano bot's as well, as they could mimic that feature of polarized haul's. Nano bot's could move around and through environment's. As they thrust, or hover through environment's.
Also if nano bot's emitted the right energy signiture's, or signal's. They could be detected from devices and communication with them from other devices would be possible. Cloaking would be possible as well, for those polarized haul's. As they could be blending in microwaves and other possible background noises, to have it appear normal. The only thing really, is to have polarized haul's charged well enough. For strong energy field dynamics of interaction's to be in the environment.
Everything is like torus Field's, or alternating current fluctuation's. I like another name for this, force balance.
".. the biggest advantage is No Noise! .. military contractors will be eager to take.."
*THIS MUST BE BANNED* !
Military will actually make this viable.
@@adinota3 Russia must ban this!
Is this the real life or is this just fantasy?
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Propulsion might be increased by using either uv or x rays to ionize air prior to the electrostatic field. This may increase the number of ions being accelerated by the electrostatic field. You might be able to use a soft x ray generating tube calibrated to emit x rays that do not travel far beyond the end of the wings.
Yes.