ESSEX BOYS MURDERS | THE ACTUAL FACTS
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- Опубликовано: 13 апр 2022
- Essex Boys Triple Murder uncovered by Retired SIO Albert Patrick. The one you have been waiting for. Pat Tate, Tony Tucker & Craig Rolfe all met their fate when alledged gangland top Underworld figure Patsy Clarke ordered the show to end. All 3 had reputations of ignoring the rules and felt untouchable, until one day 6th December 1995. @liquidbulletproductionz @EssexTrueCrime @CrimeScene2Courtroom @southendparaquest @essexboysthenandnow
'Protected Witness Unit (PWU): Designed to hold prisoners who are giving evidence or assistance to the police in cases of serious crime. All inmates are known to staff simply as 'Bloggs', followed by a number...'
In December 1995, the bodies of three men were discovered in a Range Rover in a quiet country lane in the Essex village of Rettendon. All three were well-known villains. Each been blasted in the head with a shotgun at point-blank range.
The search for the killers had almost ground to a halt when tensions within the gang involved boiled over and one member decided to break ranks. At first his story seemed too incredible to be believed, but as the evidence to support his version of events began to mount up, the motives behind the brutal murders became clear. The plot eventually uncovered involved everything from Irish terror groups and European smuggling rings to prostitution and police corruption.
Tony Thompson, crime correspondent of the OBSERVER, is one of the country's leading experts in the field of organised crime. Now, in this extraordinary book, he chronicles the rise of some of Britain's most powerful and notorious villains and of the man whose betrayal led to their downfall - the man known as 'Bloggs 19': arguably the most important supergrass since the time of the Kray twins. 
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This needs mainstream media attention now.
A Netflix documentary would bring this the attention is needs.
What's the name of the document please mate @@billlowe1714
BBC1 Panorama Special, BBC2 Newsnight Attention.
It wouldn't as people involved are still alive and have alot to loose
Albert is a seriously impressive individual!
This fella is Good ......breaking it all down to facts not fiction
I'm sure there's more than a few of us who could have done with a proper old bill investigating the case against them not some box ticking prick.
Sterling job Lee. If Mick Steele doesn’t get parole, it won’t be because of the lack of effort from Albert and the TM Eye Team. Let’s hope their hard work and expertise pays off.
Fingers crossed for Mick.
looking forward to this 👍
Absolutely Unreal again Mr Patrick 🙌🏼 you explain everything with such understanding. Well done Lee roll on part 4 Tuesday. 👌🏼
How can you release a triple murderer on parole? Seems clear he didn't do it, Essex police under pressure to solve the case fitted these 2 up and got away with it.
It wasn’t like it was a shootout and they lost it either it was a cold blooded planned execution no way would they get out before 30years and being terminally ill something is so wrong here
Why hasn't Steele been released?
after 25 years you can ya tool 🔫
Crikey Lee....what a interview that was mind blowing!!! Great work by all..Albert Patrick is like Poirot!!!
Been waiting sooooo long for part 3 🚙💥💥💥🔫
Albert Partrick, you're a legend. x
Albert is very good with facts, times , dates and locations and has a good nose to sniff out what's bull sh#t and what isn't. Excellent viewing.
When's part 4 !
I can’t wait for part 4 already I really do admire the work that you put in to this case
Absolutely fantasti. This is on a par or even better than the best of Panamera or Dispatches. RUclips gives time and space for real conversations. And where else can you get a direct connection with the likes of credible professionals like Alber?. Let's hope that justice is done.
Gun sight ,insight case ,get target n shoot ,
Wow that’s a reference 😘👊🏻👊🏻
I watched the interview with Carlton Leach and John Whomes today. One I didn’t think I would see. They’ve finally made peace with each other by the looks of it. Plus they have a shared enemy!!
Keep up the good work
Fantastic what a great man he has done more on this case than Essex police done at the time. 🙏
Well done to Lee and Patrick for bringing this to our attention
great interview
As John Whomes has said in the past, if Jack was planning to commit a triple murder with Mick, he would get his brother to help him i.e be the getaway driver. Instead of someone he didn’t really know. That’s always stuck with me. It’s true. He would have wanted someone who he could implicitly trust.
They had a boat, why not get them to meet at landing site, come pick up the load your selves, and loose the bodies at sea. Brown bread fredd style. Somebody wanted to make a statement, you wouldn't if your ducking the radar.
Yeh your right there that was a turning point 👉 right there 4 me well sussed out mate lol this pod cast is so addictive lol
That is not a notion, taking your brother, if the two brothers got done for murder, the mother would of died of shock, that would of been 3 murdered one man slaughter 🤣. That says nothing to me, Darren and Jack and Mick were a crime team. Taking his brother along, John Whomes would never of been party to that. A stupid plot two small time criminals going on a triple murder. They will say anything to free his brother from triple murder. John Whomes has chatted rubbish a few times, either he and his mother believes his brother is innocent or they do not. Even Jack's father said admit the crime Jack look after your mother. That's tells you where the family are, they doubt Jack.
@@ronnielaidler9035 To carry out your first ever murders with such efficiency, cold & calm leaving no evidence, forensic or otherwise in the RR, would take some doing. This was clearly a professional hit by someone who does this for a living & I’m amazed you actually believe otherwise.I would also add, the forensic team found hee haw evidence of Steel & Whomes present in Nichols so called get away motor either. Some gig that by Jack Whomes the first time assassin of these three blokes. Yeah!!!
@@KeithWilliamMacHendry also they were left like that to make a statement
It must be very frustrating, knowing that ex colleagues failed in their duties. Albert sounds like a proper thorough guy, and genuinely interested in clearing it all up. Good luck to him and everyone else involved in the team.
The thing that always stuck with me is that the judge gave the 2 lads 15 year minimum each. Never heard of anyone carrying out a murder let alone 3 to not get life or even life without parole. Albert is a true pro a proper detective no bs
They did get life.
15 years was the minimum term. That was the tariff.
15 years is the lowest Tariff anyone can get over 18 years of age for a murder conviction.
“Life without parole” is an American term.
In the UK it is called a “whole life term”. At the time of these convictions in 1998 that sentence didn’t exist.
Jack Whomes is on parole for the rest of his life.
That’s how the system works in the UK. A life sentence comes with a minimum term or “tariff” which the Judge sets depending on the case.
All life sentences with a minimum term expire after 99 years.
You are not guaranteed to be released when the minimum term expires.
Michael Steele still hasn’t been released.
@@mcalax5901 interesting to know. I’m from Ireland so life would be 40 years I think it is for murder. You might get out a little sooner or maybe not at all. Thanks for clarifying re the uk that makes sense to me now
how do you get parole on 3 murders? you dont,, now way but jack has cause he didnt do it,, as for steele lifers have to do all these courses before they can get out,, steele hasnt done any at all,, he told the prison service to fuc# right off,, thats why he,s still banged up,, seems like a bit of steam is starting to come with albert & tmi so maybe, hopefully they can get steele out!
this whole case has stunk to high heaven from the start,,
@@mcalax5901
Whole life terms did exist in 1998 Bamber got his in 1994. Arthur Hutchison, I believe also got his long before 1998, originally sentenced to 18 years for 3 murders & one rape. Judges couldn’t give WLTs they would sentence life and leave it up to the current Home Secretary.
@@mcalax5901 yes lad been in the system yourself have ya haha
Finally!! Brilliant interview!! Thanks!!
Nippers dad and a second person done it full ✋ nipper Ellis truly ended it
Absolutely brilliant thanks Albert keep up the good work
Absolutely love Albert,thank you for this,I just wish the police investigation at the time was as thorough as this,I just hope Dibley & the others give Albert the time,but don't think that will happen.
Also. It's more plausible to be down that lane at 12 doing a dodgy deal than just before 7pm, they could have been caught or seen by more witnesses. I don't think some top hitman would risk killing them all so early at night. To risky.
Excatly and I think they where strung along all evening like go here we gotta wait here for the gear oh no the place has changed go here we gotta wait here oh and don’t use your phones the police can track you or something alike…. That’s why there phones weren’t used after 7 but you have all these sittings at different places
@@englishfam9675 that’s not a bad shout.
@@mrkipling2201 did they get killed there?
steele is old now, and not a threat to anyone. he should be released like whomes.
Breaks my heart when he talks about Mick Steele n his situation, really unfair, gutted for the guy
Agreed
He is as guilty has hell. What u really think they would lock some one up with out proof that had like 3 trials
@@dannyking4784 that's ur opinion n I respect that pov.
But even if that was the case, why is he still an A Cat prisoner when Jack Whomes is a free man?
Just reeks of outrageous unfairness imo.
@@D-No974 they killed 3 people that 3 lost life’s children with out dads mums with out sons so I don’t think any killers should get out to be fair
@@dannyking4784 I bet Kevin Whittaker’s parents were pleased that the 2 blokes who killed their son got their comeuppance. I don’t think that Steele and Whomes committed the murders. That’s my opinion though. You think that they did and that’s your opinion. Which is fair enough. 👍👍
i must have watched this vid 10 times,, absolutely brilliant stuff....
mr p looks well pleased for himself,, iits not arrogance its total confidence in what he,s saying,, that man is good,, fair play indeed,, sorry i forgot your name lee,, youve pulled it out the bag with this one bro....
cant wait for the next vid!!!
@@gordy3714 oh yeh,,
@@gordy3714 wtf do you know ya pillock plum!
your probly 12 or sumit & knows sweet fa!
Good job. Turn this bullsh*t on its head TMI 🚙💥💥💥🔫
Keep up the fantastic work.
This is the best material I have seen on this subject. There are some very good amateur journalists on youtube but their mass of supposition has made anything possible. It's a bit like the jfk conspiracy and all that. The main aspect, for me, is a possible/probable miscarriage of justice and that should concern anyone. It is fascinating to listen to this man's observations and to learn about police procedure. Blundell's interview suggested Tucker was the person that gangland was most unhappy with so maybe Mr Patrick's overview fits in with this. I read somewhere that Mr C. Leach was exonerated from something linked to activities in Canning Town, so maybe he could shed some light on the root conflict, though I'm probably being naive in typing that. Thank you for making and uploading.
This jolly old fella will be the one to crack this case...
I hope so!
am hooked on this case
From what I've seen of his vids i think he already has.
Jolly old fella ??? Are we talking about the same ex cop thinks Nipper Ellis is an ok guy and was sacked from the Met for corruption ?
Great job on this case
Thank you Albert for a personal reply very much appreciated you have a lot on yourplate you covered my thinking my theory went like This those girls got treated badly yes they heybgot presents but we’re not shown much respect except sometimes in public having bought clothes specially they would be rather grassed off left on the shelf with a table booked so I had been expecting the Tony Tucker messages left to mention do you want the booking cancelled very very best of best wishes Hugo
Well Albert that was a lightning quick response and to the point you are still needle sharp and spot on you most certainly don’t need a refit I am as always with you extremely impressed . Happy Happy Easter God Bless Hugo
Brilliant interview by lee Mayo Albert Patrick is a brilliant ex detective whose knowledge is unbelievable surely if Essex police gave Albert all the evidence so he could do a complete review of all the evidence concerning the murders he could prove and in my opinion clear mick and jack of these crimes.total respect for Albert and his team for their hard work.
He won't get all the evidence because that would show the depth of the cover up.
@@bpy4073 hi I totally agree with you if Essex police have nothing to hide why won’t the ex investigating dectectives at least talk to Albert Patrick even off the record.the present day c c of Essex is not interested wonder why not. Have a great weekend.
@@bpy4073 🎯
Can't wait for this!!!
It’s good that Peter theobald and his wife are speaking to you Albert. I’m not going to lie I was abit suspicious of Peter theobald and Ken Jiggins based on how they made the phone call but the more time has went on I believe he wasn’t party to the murders. The operator that took the 999 dispatch call sounds like they are taking notes that they already have I could be wrong though. It would be nice to speak to some of the officers that made statements, the first on scene and the tow truck driver too to get his version of things on the morning of the 7th
Totaly agree with what you said
09/12/95 - STATEMENT of DAVID LLOYD REEVES
I am a self employed bricklayer and have been working in King's Lynn, Norfolk. I normally leave home about 0615 each morning and travel along the A130 top Chelmsford and then pick my way through the back roads to work. On Thursday 071295 I left home at between 0615 and 0620.
I drove my normal route and went through Rettendon about 0650. The traffic was quite heavy going through the village presumably due to the weather. As I came out of the village and went round the left hand bend and down the hill, I saw a white Ford Cosworth on my offside.
The car was white in colour and was very clean. This is what made it stand out to me because the roads have been very dirty due to the weather. It was definitely a Sapphire style Cosworth with spoked alloy wheels and a spoiler on the boot lid. It was a full spec vehicle with low profile tyres.
It was parked on the pavement facing towards Southend in a gateway or access with its two drivers side wheels on the road. It was parked in such a way that it wasn't causing a problem because cars were driving past it. Although the light was poor and it was necessary to have main beam lights on, I am sure that there was no one with this vehicle.
I would put the age of the Cosworth at approximately F or G registration. I did not see the vehicle index but I estimate the age by the style of the car and the fact that it had the square rear lights instead of the wrap around lights. The car was only in my view for the time that it took me to drive past, and was only the distance of the road width away from me.
I am sure no one was with the car. On my way home I heard the radio news regarding the incident at Rettendon that day and upon passing through the area again I saw that the spot, where I had previously seen the Cosworth, had been taped off and a police officer was standing there. I estimate I passed the spot at 2000.
D L REEVES SIGNED
I agree with everything you've said here Alistair, but i thought both Peter Theobald; and Ken Jiggins had already passed on.!!
@ESSEX BOYS THEN AND NOW Thats a funny one that with this Detective Constable David Bright. i think there is a story to come out with this one. I believe information had filtered through, certain police got hold of would could be considered gossip,i believe Mr Bright went to the scene in Workhouse lane in Rettendon shortly before 06.30am; and called it in. The mystery is why did the police wait until someone else found them; and called it in?
@@cherylspandley8270 it seem Peter Theobald is still alive but I’m not sure about Ken Jiggins
Nice one Albert 👌🏻
Also I guarantee you other gangsters around that scene know what really happened I would bet my house on it people know the truth there just sticking to the code of the streets hear no evil see no evil speak no evil 🙈🙉🙊
The Land Rover facing towards the field and not in the direction of their way out is questionable. Criminals would have parked In a way possible to escape quickly if needed to. So either they thought that they were going through the gate or its a staged crime scene.
I get it, I'm thinking they stopped to open the gate that's when someone in the car got out an had someone waiting in the trees .
Yeah if they were not drugged up steroid heads that thought they were invincible and nobody can mess with them drugs make you dilusional to reality coke heroin ecstasy weed steroids your not thinking straight
I agree...and I go for staged crime scene
Another great interview lee with a great guest been waiting for this one.
Love this channel up there with Atwood and English
Peter theobald and his wife never heard shots at 7.Surely shots at midnight would have woken them up...
Amazing stuff as always
A few thoughts for Albert and TMI.
No 1. The mechanic who saw the range rover going in the opposite direction after locking up. He estimates it was 6.05pm as he had locked up. Also the car Tate was supposed to pick up for his girlfriend was not there the next morning. So who picked it up? Was it Tate? When was it delivered to her and by who, as, they would have to drop off the keys with the car. The girlfriend needs to be re-interviewed by TMI. This ties in with Ms Carr's statement and timeline.
2. The call from Saunders to Tate and the call by Tucker to the restaurant to rearrange the number seating for the meal. The manager said it was shortly before 7pm. How shortly before 7pm, 10 mins, 5 mins, 2 mins. He was never interviewed and never took the stand.
These two calls, there timings and position, pings and location of the Range Rover between those two calls l think can prove they were not on Workhouse lane at the time DN says they were. Everybody forgets about Tuckers call to the restaurant and what location they were in when he made it. This is key, as, the two phone calls would show two different locations for the Range Rover and the timescale between them.
your right getting parole on triple murders!!!! na don't think so!!!!
@@nataliemurphy3182 Dibley was out to get Steel. He basically wanted to lock him up and throw away the key. Which is what happened. So I don't think Steel will ever be released. Tks Natalie!
Very good work Albert I think you will get to the bottom of this case and you will go down in history has the man that cleared the names of two innocent men ! But probably hushed up about the fact’s of a miscarriage of justice
You wouldn't want this fella after you, man's a real life version of lieutenant Columbo with his dates/times/sightings...
Great stuff ! No mention of Linda Millard
Dibley retired playing the hero how he caught the killers even tho he and his irish budds told mick he was dead wheres them balls now dibley ? cant even speak but when was a copper thought he had the right to make threats to kill
The whole thing rests on disproving Nicholls statement. Not catching anyone else as yet, just proving that lying git made it all up and let Michael come home.
Another point if you believe jasper there wouldn’t of been another car down the lane ,respect to you and your team keep up the hard work lads
Daniel
Keep all options open. Who lured them down the Lane is the big unknown. There are tyre marks up on the grass bank near the Range Rover where a vehicle appears to have turned around. Mr D must have been in contact with whoever to confirm a time of arrival down the lane. Happy Easter Albert
@@albertpatrick422 thank you for the reply , and your right that does make sense, can’t wait for the next video , happy Easter to you all
I heard more than a dozen cars went past and stopped and looked WELL before the police were called they were killed the night before about 11/30 . Found in the morning
@@albertpatrick422 looks like a truck could have dropped the car off like a big grab truck it’s like they’d been. Killed then took there
@@captainmac5009 they were killed were they were parked due to the bits of debris like broken glass outside the vehicle, the window by Tate was smashed from inside/out, blood outside the vehicle.
Suggestion to make 1 lime of enquiry to make is with what carlton leach said in a podcast with James English that they were going to go to lane at 6 am the following morning but he had to much going on to actually join them
It's so refreshing to listen to somebody bringing constructive facts which have substance to this case. For too many years, it's been used as an entertainment football by the likes of the master of bullshit - Bernard O'Mahoney purely in order to cash in on other peoples's suffering. There's absolutely no doubt that his interference, speculation, and meddling have muddied the waters at the expense of Whomes, Steel, and all the families that just want the truth....something that O'Mahoney couldn't even spell, let alone tell.
I expected this to be another copper arse covering very refreshing glad I decided to watch. Fingers crossed the so called guilty get their day and get the case overturned. 🙏
Is it just a coincidence that Darren Nicholls broke down at the Wheatsheaf in Rettendon on the 5th December.
A further coincidence that Jack drove to Rettendon to collect the car (61 miles away from his home) on the 6th December and was there at 7pm. The same time that Tucker and Tate stopped using there mobile phones?
Coincidentally phone calls were made to Tucker from a payphone located 5 mins from Jack's place of work 4.5 hours earlier. Same pay phone was also used to call Nicholls.
@Mike P
The answer to all your questions is an emphatic YES
You see Mike....in life.....now pay attention....
Some guys have all the luck
@ESSEX BOYS THEN AND NOW
Is there anyone who can clarify they spoke to Tate and Tucker after 7pm. Any evidence to show calls were made?
Any witness statements from anyone they knew who say they had received calls from them after 7pm. 26 answer phone messages on Tuckers phone including messages from his girlfriend.
@ESSEX BOYS THEN AND NOW
You seemed to suggest in your comment that you believed calls were made after 7pm?
I am saying where is the evidence to show that?
If calls were made after 7pm, who made the calls? Nobody has ever claimed to have spoken to Tate and Tucker after 7pm on 6th December.
@ESSEX BOYS THEN AND NOW Rolfe didn't have his phone with him. That is well documented.
@ESSEX BOYS THEN AND NOW Do you think that Jack and Mick have told the police everything they know about the events of 6th December? As in what was discussed between them that day, the phone calls from pay phone near Sorrell Horse Inn? If they were planning to bring in drugs with TTR?
It seems to me that the real problem and confusion with this case stems from the testimony of Nicholls, which is so cleary falsified and scripted.
If Jack had no idea TTR were in Rettendon on 6th December and he was just picking up a car from the Wheatsheaf, it is the most incredibly unfortunate coincidence. Especially as Jack, Mick and Darren had been involved in Drug smuggling with TTR throughout the weeks and months prior to the murders.
excellent work to all you guys on this case.
MICK ORGANISED IT WITH JACK & NICHOLS PLAYING THE MOST IMPORTANT ROLE, LURING THE TRIO THERE AND JACK SMOKING THEM, NICHOLS COULD ONLY TIE MICK INTO THIS BY SAYING HIS GUN FELL APART, INSTANTLY MAKING MICK GUILTY AND AT THE SPOT!!! 💯💯💯💯😎🦋🐝🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Wrong bom.. if your from ct you would know who killed them 💯😷
If that works for you in your mind then that’s nice. I suppose blaming people who never done it is the easiest conclusion case closed 🙄
@@mystery5055 talk to Albert Patrick about what you know. You can do it anonymously. Finally the truth...from someone from ct 😂😂
1 shotgun was used idiot lol.
@@mystery5055 been sayin the same for years. 👏
just a thought so if DN was telling the truth (wich he isnt ) why did pat tony or craig not wonder why mick was in the RR wearing brand new overalls wellies and surgical gloves ?
I can't see it going down anything like Darren claims. We're all thinking his version, but I don't think it's anything like how it actually went down.
I think it was jack wearing overalls and surgical gloves and waiting down the lane !!! I think !!!!
Well it's obvious is it not
He was going to do some work up at the farm Something to do with milk
@@shawngarratt2887 yeah nah ..it's got nothing to do with jack or Mick ..it was done with military precision.
@@jeffreybamford1171 not really at that range as at that range you would need to be cold and calculating and quick but that’s about it
Keep digging your doing a great job 👍👍👍👍
Did anyone watch" I am one of your own " RUclips interview with John whomes and Carlton leach ?? Interesting for sure good
Same old toffee I thought albert Patrick is the only one I’ll be listening to from now on
Shite
Whomes said in one interview Carlton was never mentioned .. Carlton was threatening him
I’n this podcast he said Carlton was and Bernie wasn’t
Full of shite bitter because he’s not earning
Carlton and John that’s like the muppet show the two grumpy old men sitting up the top balcony just moaning 🤣😂
If they wasn’t killed until midnight, wouldn’t they have turned up at the meal they had booked a table for, also if they wasn’t going to attend that booking why did Tony increase the booking from 4 people to 6 people ? Also surly if they wasn’t killed until around midnight surly they would have let their missus know they wasn’t now going out for that meal, that Craig specifically dropped Donna off at Lakeside to buy a new outfit ? I maybe wrong but I don’t buy into the ‘killed around midnight narrative’
More likely, gone to collect the swag at midnight
It is mentioned on cs2cr that post mortem says two of them had partly digested food in their stomachs. One was said to have eaten mushrooms . Maybe they all did go for a meal , but not at the place where it was booked ?
@@robertkustos2931 bang on
@@danprice8738 I've had confirmation that the E boys had a meal at TGI Fridays .
Don't call me surly
Is there any eyewitness statements from anyone at the Wheatsheaf Pub? Did anyone see a man in the car park loading a vehicle onto a low loader trailer at around 7pm?
@ Mike P
The answer is no but don't panic because I am confident that twenty six years later someone will emerge to say
Now I come to think of it I do have vague recollections of seeing a car being picked around that time and it may well have been from that car park...I think
A bit suspect that Dibley won't speak with him.
and retired 2 weeks before it went to court playing the hero he caught the killers
To be honest i think Dibley would just play the silly card and say he cannot remember what happened 27 year ago whether he can or not. He’ll be in his late 70s now so i doubt he’ll be interested in talking about something that his force were keen to sweep under the carpet but you never know
@@jaycartwright2525 he wont without his badge he is nothing but a spineless fkn fanny
@@billlowe1714 thats utter rubbish the coppers that took jasper for a trip in car reported bk to dibley and dibley says its not fitting with eveidence
@@waynecrosby2735 In all fairness, Dibley didn't have to attend the scene, he could have just said it's my Fuck'in day off; and anyway i'm retiring in two weeks time, so get the next DCI to attend, you've gotta get use to me not being there sooner, or later.
The farmers asked them too move and they got smart so the farmers blew them away 😅
Was a suicide pact .
any1 think nichols is watching this vid and getting rather nervous
he got 2 blokes the big L cause he didnt wanna do a 3 yr sentance for ganja!
Has mick bowman Been released yet would be good to interview him
just a little thing about jaspers version its either jasper or a copper that says this when being questioned something is said about the time being midnight but could be an hour either way so jaspers version might be as early as 11pm nobody as ever taken that into account
Terrible micks watched jack get released whilst he is still in an a cat prison hope they get Mick justice
Galactic73 has been doing excellent research on this case and he’s on MMB just now go have a look guys 👍🏻
Wats mmb?
Someone mentioned in this case there initials first initial is their nickname
Can you ask this question to him as I believe police have never disclosed any phone calls they made or received after 7pm. Just ask him does he belive the police hid phone calls made or received after 7pm.
Yes. The original phone data of Pat Tate’s phone was received just after the murders. That is Version 1.
Version 1 is a complete schedule of calls in and out of Pat Tate’s phone.
Essex police then requested a second copy but time limited it to 18.44. That is Version 2.
Version 2 was presented to the Jury and Court.
Version 1 was not disclosed and has never been disclosed.
We believe it may evidence the fact that Tate was alive after 18.59 and cell site him away from Workhouse Lane.
Lots of telephone data was manipulated.
@@TMEYEMLB thanks for the response appreciate the work your doing and I though so as everything about this case has been manipulated to make wholmes and Steele guilty when they defo ain't guilty
@@TMEYEMLB would it be impossible for you guys to get a hold of version 1?
@@TMEYEMLB Can you confirm that a certain Lady received a call from Pat Tate's mobile very shortly after 9.00pm 2100Hours. On said night of 06th December 1995.
Also craig told donna if you read her statmeant the Mac ten machine pistol was Test fired behindert tuckers Lodge is it posible empty casings still lay were it was Test fired as you See in you tube so often casings fired from ww2 being found by mental detector Teams looking for suvinuers so isnt it possible is.nt it worth looking
I still think micky steele had some involvement. I think he's got them 3 down the lane and maybe someone else has blown them away.he had alot to gain by them 3 taking a permanent nap
Also I find it strange why steele and wholmes didn't have a good alibi at the time of the murders.seems strange that nobody can verify where they both was at the time of the murders.
I've listened to a lot of yr work and others too on this murder x3. What surprises me is the lack of relevance on the fact that when Tony Tucker's father was given the heartbreaking news his son had been executed down a lane with his 2 best mates, that he, the father, dropped dead on the spot?! Yet with all the people keen to put information out on this case for all the people that are interested, nigh on 30 years later, this is rarely, if ever, mentioned.
It's just as shocking and newsworthy and in my opinion, really makes the killers responsible for 4 lives. R.I.P. Mr Tucker.
Where is part 1 and 2 may i ask brilliant upload
The central feature of Alber t s case is that Darrens car broke down at a pub called The Wheatsheaf. Later on Jack responded to an appeal from Darren to rescue his car .Jack's response ..according to Jack ....and Albert......was to travel from Suffolk...that evening..in dreadful weather...to assist the man he didn't particularly like...Coincidentally ....according to Albert and Jack....at the time Jack arrived and was examining the car.....down the road on a farm track three men who Darren and Jack were closely associated with were being shot to death....Jack's phone call to Darren ...4 seconds.....made at that time was to tell Darren he had picked up the car...and had nothing to do with the slaughter going on down the road involving their partners in crime
See Albert s earlier videos
I rest my case
That's all well and good but you are lacking several crucial parts that should lead to a conviction one being any physical evidence.
No tyre tracks from the passats 4 different brands of tyres. No footprints from two large big footed men anywhere in the lane.
No DNA
ect ect ect.
Nichols story is garbage and doesn't stack up to the slightest bit of scrutiny.
@Kevin Joey
Hello Kevin
Can I make five brief points
1...In Nicholls favour he does at least offer is an
explanation. for the 6 .59 ...four second call ...Jack to Darren.....please don't say it was about Darrens broken down car
2.....Nicholls stood in the witness box for many days under,presumably , close questioning.The jury also heard from Whome s and Steele who had an opportunity to convince them what they were up to that day.........we know how the jury felt about all these competing voices
3Footprints....presumably none to be seen on the other side of the pad locked gate....none recorded that would have given some support to Jasper s Mr D when this story emerged in Jan.
4.....Not sure what DNA you would have expected to find...if Jack had just leaned into the vehicle and had worn overalls and gloves nd Michael had worn overalls of some sort....presumably they tested for finger prints and found nothing
@@brunohen2909when I refer to no DNA I mean there was non in the range rover but also more crucially non in the Passat even though according to Nichols jack and Mick had blood and bits of brain splattered on them.
The first thing I would of asked Nichols in the witness box was why his story changed so much throughout his numerous interviews.
Why did he say originally than the reason for the murders was the money owed to the mullock brothers that tate had borrowed? Then completely change the reason to being because of the bad weed deal. I presume you know who the mullock brothers are?
Nichols is an out and out bullshitter.
So no DNA from the 3 deceased in the Passat.
No footprints anywhere down the lane of whomes and Steeles size 12's even though Nichols says they were wearing brand new wellies.
Not one tyre track matching any of the 4 different tyres on the passat that went in and out of the lane twice. No oil from the leaking gear box and engine of the Passat.
No witnesses of the car going in or out of the lane twice at rush hour.
So Steele and whomes according to Nichols are happy enough to use a battered old heap of a passat that's totally legit and registered to Nichols to go and commit triple murder.
Nichols says they both shot them but ballistics expert says one gun used.
It's absolutely ridiculous to think Nichols story is true.
Would you go and commit any serious crime let alone alone triple murder in your own car with your plates on?
@ KEVIN HOEY
Apologies for misspelling surname last time...my incompetence not lame attempt at humour
Will make a few brief points and then drop out because we could carry on doing this until one of us dies
You seem to believe that
1.....Footprints would inevitably have been left by killer or killers
2....W and S footprints not there
3......Therefore they were not there
If this is correct am I not entitled to ask where the footprints of the real killer..s.....are......a partiial size 7 near the car isn't much to offer me
Secondly...the registration plate on the Passat....men who can offer the pantomime alibis S and W offered the jury at The Old Bailey are capable of all sorts of idiocy
Thirdly..As I understand it Jack was keen to be shot of the Passat after the killings and didn't want the car traced back to him.....suspicious ...perhaps?
Fourthly..you correctly state that witnesses didn't report seeing the Passat entering and leaving the lane around the time of the killings but this puzzle also extends to the car occupied by your killer or killers...no one vehicle was seen entering and exiting the lane shortly before and shortly after 7
Anyone walking up the alt lane and then up the track would on your analysis have left footprints..or tyre tracks
Lastly you say ..DN mentions two guns being used....this you say is untrue
But....all we know is that there were 8 wounds..7 cartridge cases from the one shotgun....see Mr Burns for their location
It's. possible...shooter.one fires 7 shots and leaves all 7 cc'd on ground..shooter two..different weapon fires one shot and picks up his cc
@@brunohen2909no apology needed and no offence taken.
I agree we could go back and forth forever but neither of us know what really happened we are just summising based on what we know.
There were vehicles seen entering and leaving the lane around that time. If memory serves me right a green coloured range rover seen entering the lane and a white escort van leaving.
If the green range was carrying the killer they would have driven all the way down the lane hence a lack of footprints. Its not to much of a asumption that the green range rover might have the same tyres on as rolfes plus mr theobalds land rover has also traveled down there and out again possibly disturbing any tracks...In close proximity to the range rover footprints would obviously been disturbed by jiggins and theobald and God know who else as the initial crime scene management seems woeful.
The cartridge numbers and possibility of 2 shooters as you say is possible there's no denying that but here's were I am on that.
At first I dismissed this theory but having thought about it it makes sense so here goes.
Tate was supposedly renowned for leaning forward between the two front seats and if you look at the grazing shot wound to the back of tates head I believe this shot carried on to hit tucker. If you look at that wound and think of the trajectory where would tates head have to be positioned for that wound to be inflicted? So in my opinion there were actually 7 shots and 7 cartridges 8 wounds.
So rolfe is shot first then then second shot skims tate and hits tucker and tate recoils back and is then shot in the liver then the finishing shots are administered.
The size 7 print would indicate a smaller person probably weighing far less than Steele and whomes both of which were around the 18 stone Mark and both taking far larger shoe sizes.
Any number of scenarios are more plausible than Nichols version.
One thing Steele is not and that's an idiot and to dismiss the use of the passat as Steele and whomes being idiots due to alibi's they've had to come up with 5 plus months later is a bit much.
Again I ask would you go to carry out a triple murder in a legit motor with legit plates that you know is a bag of shite at rush hour? You wouldn't nobody would it's insane.
But Nichols would have you believe a engineer, pilot,drug smuggling career criminal is all of a sudden going to go temporarily insane and do such a thing.
Nichols version of events makes absolutely no sense and his later evidence contradicts his earlier statements. Nichols was used by corrupt police to fit up Steele and whomes which is apparent by the disappearance of the mullock brothers in Nichols evidence.
lets not forget DN dumped canabis and got 400 quid reward deliberatly setting up 2 innocent men for money with yet another bent copper involved and that is nothing at all to do with this case except come on for fk sake he loves people going away for doing nothing
Sure it was nipper's dad who killed them 🤣🤣🤣
Evening all
I have been so interested in this case for years, I do try to think about everything that comes up. No question the person who shot them was 100% a pro this is not your avg road man with a gun. It’s someone who is so calm and new how to use a gun in a very panic moment. The problem for me with this mr D, if he was the killer do most honestly think he would of done it him self? This sort of high profile gangster just makes a phone call and the job is done they don’t really put them selfs in a position like that well I would of thought anyway. To be a very good high profile gangster it needs many many back up people and it’s not a lone wolf job. This as been brilliant though super hooked again
Excellent m8 thank you👊🏻😘
Time off death wasn’t taken because someone said know tip-off the
Can i be a dingle and ask a silly question…….. why would they put a black bag at the back of the Range Rover? 😂😂. I thought black sooty carbon deposits like that would be consistent with a Diesel engine not a V8 petrol engine
Poorly set up engine if on carbs would give a sooty exhaust
who was that woman who called and the killer lived in salford or something ? then mentioned craigs funeral ? i think that if true may of been jaspers lass
My Dad worked with Albert Patrick at Brixton. Said he was a bit of a legend
What does he think about this Mr X theory, where Mr X the shooter attended with a Top Heavy with Darren Nicholls?
Awesome
I think its safe to say darren nicholls is a bare faced liar, im leaning more towards jaspers story being the true story...
Is Jasper anything the one who said his dad killed the 3? I’ve been looking back & forth for a few years but don’t always recall the names , thanks
@@malterwitty5433 no that was nipper ellis mate
@@Lifeodditiesz thanks for reply pal
@@malterwitty5433 no worries 👍
Albert it would be a lot to ask but have you ever thought about the idea now Jack is out for him to do a reconstruction of where he really was and who he was really with or If he was on his own and starting off at say lunchtime including every visit he made and every job he did filling all the time from lunch time to get to bedtime. That particular day must be engraved in his mind. I can understand he has had more than enough and might not want to know . Very very best of best wishes Hugo
Jack isn’t allowed to say anything about the murders....it was part of the prisons aggrement if he was released.
He's not allowed to talk about the case as part of his parole conditions.
@ESSEX BOYS THEN AND NOW I don't think he is. For a start he could make a fortune doing anything about the case and hasn't not a single word uttered about it by him why? He could set his 2 kids up for life with the money he could make and the fact he's stayed tight lipped would lead me to believe he CAN'T rather than won't talk about it.
What makes you believe he can talk about it publicly?
@ESSEX BOYS THEN AND NOW No he is not allowed to speak directly himself to the papers, or media, but personally i cannot see what is wrong with him saying what time he left Felixstowe that evening; and in which direction he travelled; and leave TM Eye to work out the rest. Mind you i suspect one of TM Eyes team has visited Jack since his release; and probably spoken at length with him. Albert Patrick; and dave Mckelvey have visited Mick Steele in prison, so no reason why they haven't been to see Jack Wholmes, they may have visited hm when he was in an open prison, before his release. I hope Jack is getting round to writing a book in this time.
@James Waldron Well you know, perhaps this is just the true nature of Jack, he just wants to be quite; and peacfull; and wishes to remain in the background, until Michael Steele is released, out of respect for Micks family; and his own in particular his elderly mother. It wasn't just Jack that did the time, his mother did it with him,i think perhaps mother's feel it more keenly than others, she was a Strong loyal woman whilst jack was in prison,she deserves some loyalty back now; and i think jack realises this. He may speak in years to come,perhaps not until after his mum has passed.
Albert can it be proven beyond all doubt that did Tate Tucker or Rolfe recieve or make a phone call after 19 30 hrson the night of the killings there seems to be a lot of contradiction in this regard those three men were always on there mobile phones
One question @Albert if they were still a.i e later on how come they never went to the festaurant are you suggesting they were busy all night and would t7xker not h e rung the restaurant to say the party was cancel,Ed. Anyway I think you are doing a brilliant job under very difficult long cold circumstances. Very very best of best wishes and happy Easter Hugo
We think there is a possibility that the restaurant was a pre arranged alibi.
No evidence but a possibility.
Good question. And why did the partners not say the booking had been cancelled? Didnt the voicemail messages on Tucker's phone suggest his partner was ready and waiting?
That’s a fair point m8
Quite!!!!!!
As a famous comedian used to say There's no answer to that.A question sensibly side stepped by Albert.
Plus does Albert really Believe that Jaspe r would have offered up these names....from the East end had they really been responsible
Talk about a death wish
@@brunohen2909 thing is Jasper got shot not long after his statement plus those London firms had alot of police on the pay roll anyway so could of easily got those two set up
Albert” do you think the women that rang in was Linda Millard ???
After all these years this case is still so fascinating.The Truth Will Out.
The one issue of Jaspers account is the phone silence from the three men after 7pm. It seems very strange that they didn't contact anyone about the arranged meal at the restaurant. Tucker phoned to increase the number of people but didn't phone to cancel which is bizarre and none of them contacted their partners to explain why they couldn't go. Nichols account is unquestionably a lie and Jasper's account is without doubt a more plausible story but that phone silence is a real issue for me.
You're assuming there was no phone calls in the undisclosed evidence ?
There was a 18 second call to Tates mobile from an ascoiate of Patsy Clarke that wasn't in the phone logs.
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@@jaybarnes8341 what about all the missed calls from Donna garwood, Anna whitehead. The phone calls stopped shortly before 7
It is definitely sound reasoning to believe, their was a problem, all of those unanswered calls. They obviously did much business from their mobile phones, as it's clearly reasoned, Tony's mobile alone had 26 messages, I do have an issue also with that total silence. If they were in a pub after 8pm on that night, they would of been answering those calls, granted they would of been more selective, in who they answered, as they were letting down the girlfriends for the celebration meals, they were loud people so they would've been showing off with their business popularity, Tony would of given certain people respect of a conversation I am sure, to keep things tidy, less to concern the mind with, when business calls are quickly settled. They would of cancelled the dinner dates, as it has happened before, where Tony did cancel, even the owner of the restaurant said they would of cancelled the tables, out of respect, as it was there place to eat, when meeting up together. They knew the staff. Even with new evidence things are still not ringing true. 😄 These one witnesses statements, sometimes are not fitting together. If two witnesses seen things, then we could conclude a better picture. I think even some of these witnesses are lying to keep the guessing going.
@@ronnielaidler9035 Couldn't agree more.
At last 🙏🙏🙏
Yes at last !
About 18 months ago on a Crime scene to courtroom video it was said that the three were seen in one the two pubs that Alberts just mentioned at gone 8 pm, also either the landlady or one of the staff was related in some way to Kevin Whittaker.
The lad who Tucker & Rolfe supposedly murdered,so if we assume this is true they were not shot down the lane at 6.55pm.
So is it possible that the three were slipped some knock out pills or sedative type of substance then subdued ,got into their Rover or another vehicle(s) at gunpoint, driven to another location , questioned or left to stew until around 11 pm ish put back in the vehicles maybe Rolfe & Tate in the Rover with 2 gunmen then driven to the lane.
Tucker at gunpoint in the other vehicle when all there he's forced back into his Rover because he was the only one found with mud on his boots.
Then kept until Jaspers passenger turned up & did the job.
This guys truelly a gem 💎
I don't believe Jack Whomes pulled the trigger... I don't even think he was part of the murder plot.
I believe that Jack, Mick and Darren were privy to whatever deal was going down in Rettendon that night, they were involved in that deal in some way.
The most likely scenario in my opinion based on all of the evidence I've seen is that Jack, Mick and Darren met with TTR at some point prior to them heading to the lane, possibly to collate money for the drugs deal.
TTR then went to the location to await the drugs (at this point they probably went dark and stopped using the mobile phones as instructed by the suppliers) When the supplier arrived as they expected, instead of handing over a consignment of drugs they were killed.
Darren Nicholls testimony is clearly falsified and scripted to fit a narrative which distances himself from the events all together
Nobody knows how the killings actually happened or the exact mechanics of the shootings. Because there is no eyewitness testimony of the killings and no one has ever admitted it. Therfore that leads to quite alot of myth and conjecture surrounding what actually took place.
Finally which of TTR criminal associates involved in Drug smuggling would they have trusted enough to go down that lane to a meeting but who they did not fear??
Whomes and Steele have no idea what really happened.
@@TMEYEMLB Have Whomes and Steele discussed with you the phone calls that were made from the Sorrell Horse Inn? Or the other phone calls made that day. What was discussed during these calls?
The location of the pay phone used and the communication between all parties 4 hours prior to Whomes and Nicholls being in Rettendon is unusual.
Do you believe that Whomes and Steele have told Police everything they know about the events of December 6th?
@Mike P
Mike
1...Why would Steele require Nicholls to be with them if Steeles only contribution to that evenings drama was to hand money to Tucker
2 Why would Steele believe he and Jack would need to travel to Rettendon to hand over the money
I assume you accept that Jack was close to the track and Steele was the boss
,3.....What madness would have driven the three. victims....rip off merchants...with no shortage of enemies to have travelled 200 yards down a deserted track in the pitch dark and defenceless to meet a supplier of drugs
@@brunohen2909
1) We simply do not know what each person's role was. The detsils of conversations that took place that day have never been disclosed by Steele and Whomes.
2) I don't know exactly where Whomes was as the mobile evidence cannot accurately pinpoint the exact location, possibly at Wheatsheaf, the alternative lane or somewhere else. I believe that Whomes, Steele and Nicholls were probably meeting with TTR that night and were in some way connected to whatever drugs deal was supposed to be happening that night.
3) I believe they were lured there for a supposed drug deal by associstes they trusted but did not fear.
I am just looking at the evidence, totally disregarding Nicholls statement as it has clearly been falsified and scripted to distance him from any knowledge or involvement in the entire episode.
The extensive circumstantial evidence surrounding Jack Whomes in particular is something that needs to be addressed more.
@ Mike P
Mike
This being the case would it not have been in the interest of Whome S and Steele to have explained to the police that they had met their partners in crime a little earlier that evening....presumably somewhere near the track....which is Where Jack puts himself as does Darren but that then the three left them to complete a drugs deal down a farm track....presumably ..as criminal associates Steele would have told by Tucker who they were going to meet down the track
This may have saved them from a life sentence ..instead of offering the jury a load of old nonsense
I always wondered bout tony tuckers caterpillar boots ....if I remember well caterpillar went out of style in 93/94 so had he been forced by Tate to wear them as a joke 🤔
Tate had ellesse boots on so I don’t think he was in a position to talk 😂😂. Timberlands were starting to take over then if i remember correctly
Lois jeans let Tucker down too
@@NoEurosJustGuilders I thought they would’ve went for the Levi’s look that everyone went for back then 😂
Tate was rocking a pringle jumper ,wrangler boot cut & Calvin classic bills ...craig rolf was just a meff
@@NoEurosJustGuilders I think it’s safe to say that Tate was the most presentable anyway 😂
XMAS is april the 14 this year for me
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@@tonyhornett1635 turkey was alot cheaper
@@waynecrosby2735 😂😂 think the original comment went right over Tony's head ...lol
@@mandagee1536no i had xnas then coz turkey was cheaper lol xx
It’s just I can’t find part 1 and 2
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Hope you’re going to do a video on this soon mate. Been missing your work!
One further..
Don't have the farmers statement but did the farmer say the shots he heard At 12 ish came from the area of the track. My vague recollection is that he identified a different area ....if wrong I apologise not only for my inaccuracy but laziness in. not trying to find the statement
Bruno
He said from the direction of Whitehouse Farm and confirmed that to David only last week. Happy Easter
Albert
@ Albert
Thank you for responding
If wrong I apologise but perhaps Crime Scene or someone else can dig out the actual wording of the initial statement