I am working on a project to drop a plane from space with a weather balloon can you give a plane design with big wings to fit many solar panels as possible
@@creativitybooth8115 Man that's a hell of mission to tackle if you don't know about aerodynamics. Also likely super illegal depending on location and prior approval/licensing.
And Tom Stanton that's where I heard of project air when they did the miniature bouncing bomb with an RC Lancaster bomber and as soon as I see that video i was like I need to subscribe to project air and his projects have just gotten cooler! And all the channels you said are excellent as well... and yours is pretty cool too 👍 😉
Hey Jay, you should team up with one (or all) of these guys on an ionic wind powered plane! Or maybe realize Tesla's dream of a plane powered wirelessly by a massive DRSSTC. If anyone can do it it's you. If you do the latter make sure get Integza in on that somehow. I feel like he might not forgive you otherwise. 🤣
Except Peter stripol makes absolute trash and usually breaks it before it can actually function. Hes fine with a mediocre display. But I prefer when people put effort and care into making something work properly. But that's just me aparently..
Fantastic! I find it fascinating that you've adopted a bit of a "Slave One"-style orientation rather than something with a more horizontal juxtaposition, and I absolutely love it. Great work, sir.
@@codetech5598 You're the only one I see complaining. It's funny how the people most insulted by the notion of censorship so often end up using bad examples of it to passive-aggressively complain.
@@shikhar3281 that applies to every police department in our current world system, no need to put an acronym for it.. its already established and just is what it is
You don’t have a horizontal stabilizer. You made essentially a flying wing with no ailerons or elevator. Very cool that’s you’re trying to make something cool and seems like you had a lot of fun doing it.
@@ledocteur7701 that’s not really stabilization, that would be balance. Stabilization is active, using air flow to keep something stable. I think your plane could fly if it had stabilizers on it.
Yeah, the fact is, you made the job really hard for yourself by not just replacing the airfoils of a fixed wing aircraft, but also chucking the stabilizing features including dihedral and empennage. You also induced a counterproductive moment with your propeller position. Nevertheless, you made it fly...bravo!
Just love seeing the failures... and him not quitting. No one that hides failure can really science all that well. You can learn to walk without falling if you're held up and protected... but it takes longer and you learn less. I love seeing someone earn their success. Love the "back to the drawing board" mentality. Much respect.
Nice job James! Keep pushing the edge. I love your creativity, ingenuity and persistence, that's an excellent formula for success. Love your channel and I recommend to all of my younger engineering friends and colleagues as a good example of how to get things done. Once again, well done!
Seems like a bit of the 'pendulum fallacy' may still be in play. Perhaps a few degrees of 'dihedral' in the axles would help stability in the roll axis.
You need to look into harmonic balancing of your "Wings". Pretty much the same thing that is done to your tires when you get them balanced. It will stop oscillations because of two spinning axis's that are off balanced. Could explain the bank/yaw that you are also getting. With a good balancing, you should not only be able to get a more controllable/sustainable flight but, you could even get it to hover without it lawn-darting into the ground.
Man that's awesome! I would recommend making the tubes slightly dihedral to make it more horizontally stable and a fixed vertical stabilizer so it'll move in a much more straight direction. Cheerios!
you don't need a circular core for the Magnus effect, think about a steamboat paddle. You can make a thin slat, like Venetian blind slat, work as a Magnus airfoil that displaces air reasonably well. You might make an aero-spike-like variant by cutting your cylinders into four sections along their axis, then reversing each section so it is concave when viewed from the outside, and gluing or taping them together.
So for a science fair project I had set up and illustration in research panel on all the different ways to generate lift. I actually found that the Magnus effect is much stronger if you use something like a paint roller. Pretty much the principal uses drag to create lift and if you want more low speed lift you need more drag. Also a rear horizontal stabilizer seems to be the way to go with dealing with pitch problems.
Hey man that is pretty freaking cool, I give you a 10/10 for finding a common scientific physics phenomenon that is relatable to almost everyone in all corners of the globe, and exploiting said phenomenon for aviation purposes never before seen!
I wonder if there is a more efficent fuselage /body design. I've seen petersripol swap the wings for the magnus rotors on a normal plane design, and i've also seen a video of a drone with four magnus effect rotors on a drone instead of propelers. I wonder if there's a middle ground, wich has both controlability and stability.
I like this! Nice catch on the thrust point being too low. Have you tried having the prop be a 'pusher' orientation? I'm curious if that would give smoother air over the rollers to help their effectiveness, or if the thrust from the prop actually makes them work better due to the air it throws over them.
The "stem" seems to be one of the main breaking points. Could the design be adapted to fit carbon fibre rods? As far as I understand it should get lighter and more durable
@@cap5856 it doesn't look like that in the video. There is the announcment picture where it has the right texture but in the end he said to PRINT it with more infill
@@cap5856 Your comment was redundant because Nutmeg had already acknowledged carbon fibre had been used in the frame. When he originally suggested the use of carbon fibre he was unaware that it had been tested. Assuming he knows what the meaning of 'moot' is, he would also be able to deduce that his suggestion had already been tested and wasn't useful. Your comment was superfluous (synonymous with redundant) if we assume Nutmeg is capable of the most rudimentary level of critical thought/reasoning.
Noob here so pardon me if my question is dumb. Any thoughts on spinning the two drums separately and varying their relative speeds to help manage yaw/pitch? Like I mentioned my understanding of all this is limited so I'm not sure which axis this would impact more.
I've been fascinated by the magnus effect since I saw that basket ball video. Thank you for visiting this concept, I hope you do more with it. My understanding of it is that the higher the speed it's spinning, the better. More surface area I think would also be better. I wonder if there is a sweet spot for radius? So many aspects of this I would love to experiment with.
I doubt you will see this comment, but why not use four rotors for stability? If that works better you could even use two motors (L and R) for roll control
About thirty years ago I saw the wind blow a thrown away polystyrene milk shake container off the ground and my observation was that it was actually flying rather than being blown. I made a mental note that I must look more into the phenomenon later on . You have answered all my questions of 30 years ago.
Thats pretty cool to see it fly. You should for sure continue working on this project to improve on it. My one thought would be maybe using a little larger battery thinking the extra weight at the bottom will help keep it from pitching up as much.
I am so glad you didn't give up because that was crazy- wild. That was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. And now that you've proven that it can be done. Somebody has to take it to the next level. Great job kid-o, and Thanks for hanging in there.
please revisit this :) Could use one white tube rather than two, putting the battery inside the rotating wing, with bits hanging out either end that hang downwards to stop the battery spinning round instead of the wing, remove the tie-fighter bits from the ends of the "wings", and if possible remove the propeller. It'd look even more spooky to see it fly :)
Very interesting, makes me ask questions! 1 I wonder about the effects of using a slightly oval rotating tube? What of an egg shaped tube, wonder if that would fly? 2. The lack of directional control was likely more to do with the length of the craft, centre of pressure, battery location, and the location of the directional drag component (the rudder)! What about extending the build? 3. What about adding 2 small motorised gyroscopes (one clockwise, the other counter clockwise) in a trailing tail assembly instead of a rudder which could steer by adjusting the speed of each of the two of gyros?
Thank you so much for showing your whole process. This is a great show of design mind set that failure is not a bad things. I see to many young people give up when they fail thinking they have lost. Failing and failing fast is key to learning new skills you will in time have a massive win. So to those in school or those learning a new skill, if your not failing your not learning anything new. Keep up your great work.
Good job! I believe your tubes would benefit from some texture to grab the air more, like dimples on a golf ball. This would make the wing more stable so the slick surface doesn't "let-go" and "tip-stall" so quickly. Another item would be to have a vertical fin with rudder a few inches aft for better directional control. Do it again!
There's something delightfully unnatural about watching that thing actually fly
I’m still surprised the Magnus Effect is that powerful to easily lift 600g of plane! ☺️
I am working on a project to drop a plane from space with a weather balloon can you give a plane design with big wings to fit many solar panels as possible
@@creativitybooth8115 a glider? Big wing, so many place to fit solar panels
@@creativitybooth8115 Man that's a hell of mission to tackle if you don't know about aerodynamics. Also likely super illegal depending on location and prior approval/licensing.
@@thirtythreeeyes8624 as I am in india it is legal and there is no airport in the city I live so there must be no problem
Wicked cool. You're basically Alec steel meets Peter Sripol. Solid job on the video, and build.
And Tom Stanton that's where I heard of project air when they did the miniature bouncing bomb with an RC Lancaster bomber and as soon as I see that video i was like I need to subscribe to project air and his projects have just gotten cooler!
And all the channels you said are excellent as well... and yours is pretty cool too 👍 😉
Looks like J is the fan of aerodynamics
Hey Jay, you should team up with one (or all) of these guys on an ionic wind powered plane! Or maybe realize Tesla's dream of a plane powered wirelessly by a massive DRSSTC. If anyone can do it it's you. If you do the latter make sure get Integza in on that somehow. I feel like he might not forgive you otherwise. 🤣
Except Peter stripol makes absolute trash and usually breaks it before it can actually function. Hes fine with a mediocre display. But I prefer when people put effort and care into making something work properly. But that's just me aparently..
Your brihish and I know that for a fact
Fantastic! I find it fascinating that you've adopted a bit of a "Slave One"-style orientation rather than something with a more horizontal juxtaposition, and I absolutely love it. Great work, sir.
Thank you!
I was gonna say it reminded me of a B-Wing, but yeah slave 1 is more accurate.
I love the star wars vibe with this thing 👌
You are not allowed to use the word "slave" anymore.
@@codetech5598 You're the only one I see complaining. It's funny how the people most insulted by the notion of censorship so often end up using bad examples of it to passive-aggressively complain.
Make a fuselage design that is smooth and covers everything and it’s something straight out of despicable me
The 'Gru-mman Grassdiver'?. . . (sorry : )
@@loddude5706 Nah, its the Slave-One
You should call it: "the flying paint roller"
Senpai noticed me
More like Wireless Paint Roller.
i was thinking flying toilet paper dispenser or the FTPD
@@shannonm3841 fricking trash police Department?
@@shikhar3281 that applies to every police department in our current world system, no need to put an acronym for it.. its already established and just is what it is
10:36 when it starts working and you can hear the happiness in his voice is priceless, Truly little nuggets of greatness on RUclips
You don’t have a horizontal stabilizer. You made essentially a flying wing with no ailerons or elevator. Very cool that’s you’re trying to make something cool and seems like you had a lot of fun doing it.
horizontal stabilisation is provided by the center of mass being far below the center of lift, an airplane style horizontal stabilizer might help tho.
@@ledocteur7701 that’s not really stabilization, that would be balance. Stabilization is active, using air flow to keep something stable. I think your plane could fly if it had stabilizers on it.
Yeah, the fact is, you made the job really hard for yourself by not just replacing the airfoils of a fixed wing aircraft, but also chucking the stabilizing features including dihedral and empennage. You also induced a counterproductive moment with your propeller position. Nevertheless, you made it fly...bravo!
Just love seeing the failures... and him not quitting. No one that hides failure can really science all that well. You can learn to walk without falling if you're held up and protected... but it takes longer and you learn less. I love seeing someone earn their success. Love the "back to the drawing board" mentality. Much respect.
Wow . I haven't watched it fully but I know it's gonna be nice
How about a magnus effect monocopter? Don’t think I’ve seen that done, and your project history is pointing you right in that direction
Actually, rocket powered too :)
Nice job James! Keep pushing the edge. I love your creativity, ingenuity and persistence, that's an excellent formula for success. Love your channel and I recommend to all of my younger engineering friends and colleagues as a good example of how to get things done. Once again, well done!
That’s great! Glad you like my videos, cheers
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Que legal novas intenções surgindo.
Parabéns ao Canal 👏👏👏👍
Wow you actually managed to make an rc plane like this :D
I love your content. That was a great idea. These magnus effect 'aircraft' are never easy. Excellent work!!!!
Seems like a bit of the 'pendulum fallacy' may still be in play. Perhaps a few degrees of 'dihedral' in the axles would help stability in the roll axis.
Great work as always, as someone who is interested in aerospace engineering I found this really fascinating
You need to look into harmonic balancing of your "Wings". Pretty much the same thing that is done to your tires when you get them balanced. It will stop oscillations because of two spinning axis's that are off balanced. Could explain the bank/yaw that you are also getting. With a good balancing, you should not only be able to get a more controllable/sustainable flight but, you could even get it to hover without it lawn-darting into the ground.
Of all the aerodynamic principles out there, the Magnus effect spins me out the most.
😉
One of the most unusual craft I've seen in a very long time.
Good job.
Man that's awesome! I would recommend making the tubes slightly dihedral to make it more horizontally stable and a fixed vertical stabilizer so it'll move in a much more straight direction.
Cheerios!
you don't need a circular core for the Magnus effect, think about a steamboat paddle. You can make a thin slat, like Venetian blind slat, work as a Magnus airfoil that displaces air reasonably well. You might make an aero-spike-like variant by cutting your cylinders into four sections along their axis, then reversing each section so it is concave when viewed from the outside, and gluing or taping them together.
That one was incredible, i love it so much
good at removing fluff and flying! this looks insane and bloody cool. good job sir
Hey Man, felt a real pleasure seeing u succeed, keep this going on.
Its supper cool that you made the correct analysis of the flaws and good corrections that worked! proper application of the scientific method!
The funny flying T got the thumbs up from me.
But it is maybe worth referencing previous Magnus Effect flying craft.
For a side project this was bloody amazing!
it might be more stable if u use 2 pairs of "wings" (1 in the front, 1 in the back)
ya actually that would help
I felt your elation and was very happy for you. Nice work!
Great engineering mindset! Just keep going ;)
This is an absolutely amazing project. I find that effect still totally fascinating!
So for a science fair project I had set up and illustration in research panel on all the different ways to generate lift. I actually found that the Magnus effect is much stronger if you use something like a paint roller. Pretty much the principal uses drag to create lift and if you want more low speed lift you need more drag. Also a rear horizontal stabilizer seems to be the way to go with dealing with pitch problems.
Hey man that is pretty freaking cool, I give you a 10/10 for finding a common scientific physics phenomenon that is relatable to almost everyone in all corners of the globe, and exploiting said phenomenon for aviation purposes never before seen!
Btw, it was used in aviation, and it was not successful, because of the drag, he also had to face it in the video and rebuild his aircraft
The shere, authentic joy at the end and 'keep watching it!!' 😂 just made my day
Does the speed of the rotors change the lift characteristics? If so, you could have a small "tail rotor" that you vary the speed of as an elevator.
yes indeed it does, faster cylinder rotation makes more lift
Excellent project!
Amazing
I admire your persistence. What a result!
0:40 you're telling me you're Kevin de Bruyne's long lost RC loving brother?
So glad you persevered and had success.
Well Done 😎👍👍
Congrats! That's really quite a contraption. Nice work getting it to fly.
Thanks!
AWESOME
Keep developing this concept. It has a lot of potential and is a nice aesthetic change from the standard airplanes.
I wonder if there is a more efficent fuselage /body design. I've seen petersripol swap the wings for the magnus rotors on a normal plane design, and i've also seen a video of a drone with four magnus effect rotors on a drone instead of propelers. I wonder if there's a middle ground, wich has both controlability and stability.
My most recent design is stable and has landing gear for takeoff and landing.
I started watching with some skepticism but found myself fascinated. Very well done and I subscribed.
I like this! Nice catch on the thrust point being too low. Have you tried having the prop be a 'pusher' orientation? I'm curious if that would give smoother air over the rollers to help their effectiveness, or if the thrust from the prop actually makes them work better due to the air it throws over them.
Awesome, glad to see it fly at the end !
The "stem" seems to be one of the main breaking points. Could the design be adapted to fit carbon fibre rods? As far as I understand it should get lighter and more durable
@@cap5856 it doesn't look like that in the video. There is the announcment picture where it has the right texture but in the end he said to PRINT it with more infill
@@cap5856 yeah ok, the last rod is carbon fibre, but the one before that definitely wasn't
@@cap5856 Thank you captain obvious for your redundant commentary
@@nutmeg8363 To confirm, all of the fuselage and rotor axle tubes used in the build were carbon fibre. Some were thicker than others.
@@cap5856 Your comment was redundant because Nutmeg had already acknowledged carbon fibre had been used in the frame. When he originally suggested the use of carbon fibre he was unaware that it had been tested. Assuming he knows what the meaning of 'moot' is, he would also be able to deduce that his suggestion had already been tested and wasn't useful. Your comment was superfluous (synonymous with redundant) if we assume Nutmeg is capable of the most rudimentary level of critical thought/reasoning.
Well done, what a great feeling when a project finally works.
Noob here so pardon me if my question is dumb. Any thoughts on spinning the two drums separately and varying their relative speeds to help manage yaw/pitch? Like I mentioned my understanding of all this is limited so I'm not sure which axis this would impact more.
Roll/bank/turn, or yaw - I think.
Pitch would be spinning both faster/slower to vary the reaction against the fuselage.
I've been fascinated by the magnus effect since I saw that basket ball video. Thank you for visiting this concept, I hope you do more with it.
My understanding of it is that the higher the speed it's spinning, the better. More surface area I think would also be better. I wonder if there is a sweet spot for radius? So many aspects of this I would love to experiment with.
@test time you do what a helicopter does, get to the ground as soon as possible lol
looks fairly strange that
Wow, amazing you found a good equilibrium on the craft
I doubt you will see this comment, but why not use four rotors for stability? If that works better you could even use two motors (L and R) for roll control
About thirty years ago I saw the wind blow a thrown away polystyrene milk shake container off the ground and my observation was that it was actually flying rather than being blown. I made a mental note that I must look more into the phenomenon later on . You have answered all my questions of 30 years ago.
ah yes flying T post
lol
Thats pretty cool to see it fly. You should for sure continue working on this project to improve on it. My one thought would be maybe using a little larger battery thinking the extra weight at the bottom will help keep it from pitching up as much.
Я тоже как ребенок радовался за автора, когда ему удалось сделать это !
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Very direct and honest and didn’t clown it up too much.
Amazing i am from indonesia
Welcome aboard!
I love you put the ad a part of the video to easier skipping :)
wow
Very good. You had success that was elusive for the others that had tried the concept.
good day to random person scrolling down coments :)
Hello from 2 years in the future.
Ily
You too!
Hey! Thank you! 🎉 I hope you are keeping well. ❤
That was fun to watch. Good on you for going against first reactions and shortening the "wings". I din't think it would work ... but it did.
With this smal Diameter you need high Rpm. Usw KFC bucket this works great
Brilliant job, man. That was a wild ride.
22 seconds ago
Never heard of the magnus effect but since you killed it, well done and thank you!
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Wow well done! Glad your persistence was rewarded... that's got to feel good.
Fortnite gliders be like:
Your tenacity is inspiring! :)
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Great job showing off your engineering design process!
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The timestamps are amazing. A real man of the ppl here
Great to see that thing finally flying - looks great. You're excitement says it all!
It's really impressive that you managed to get this to work. Though even if you hadn't, at least you'd have a really... weird, wide RC car.
Need counter rotating trust motors/motor. Very impressive flight and the idea is exceptional. Very good job!
I am so glad you didn't give up because that was crazy- wild. That was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. And now that you've proven that it can be done. Somebody has to take it to the next level. Great job kid-o, and Thanks for hanging in there.
That final configuration was a genuine surprise. More like a powered kite but great fun!
please revisit this :) Could use one white tube rather than two, putting the battery inside the rotating wing, with bits hanging out either end that hang downwards to stop the battery spinning round instead of the wing, remove the tie-fighter bits from the ends of the "wings", and if possible remove the propeller. It'd look even more spooky to see it fly :)
Very interesting, makes me ask questions!
1 I wonder about the effects of using a slightly oval rotating tube? What of an egg shaped tube, wonder if that would fly?
2. The lack of directional control was likely more to do with the length of the craft, centre of pressure, battery location, and the location of the directional drag component (the rudder)! What about extending the build?
3. What about adding 2 small motorised gyroscopes (one clockwise, the other counter clockwise) in a trailing tail assembly instead of a rudder which could steer by adjusting the speed of each of the two of gyros?
Good for you kiddo!! Youre on to something. Thats how greatness is born bro!!
Brilliant looking craft. Amazing to see it fly.
Thank you so much for showing your whole process. This is a great show of design mind set that failure is not a bad things. I see to many young people give up when they fail thinking they have lost. Failing and failing fast is key to learning new skills you will in time have a massive win. So to those in school or those learning a new skill, if your not failing your not learning anything new. Keep up your great work.
Appreciate the visual ad disclaimer
I have only seen this design a few times before, but it's definitely the coolest configuration.
Great video. Nice use of the word "snapage". Or, possibly, invention. Keep the videos coming.
Good job mate! You have to do more with this concept!
Good job!
I believe your tubes would benefit from some texture to grab the air more, like dimples on a golf ball.
This would make the wing more stable so the slick surface doesn't "let-go" and "tip-stall" so quickly.
Another item would be to have a vertical fin with rudder a few inches aft for better directional control.
Do it again!
James. You are already an incredible inventor.
This video deserves more views. Sweet accomplishment dude!
Awesome effort. It was fun to watch fly.
i was so happy you got it going in the end what a novel aircraft.
You're a mad genius. Never stop.
5:49: thats quite the excuse to fly a spitfire xD. What a cool looking model that is :D
Very cool! Don't forget you've also made a gyroscope here... That means your rudder will be causing pitching as well as yawing!