Pirates of Silicon Valley "You don't get it Steve, that doesn't matter"
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- Опубликовано: 6 май 2017
- I tried to upload something along the lines of this clip a few years ago but I put much more in it and the credits music ended up muting the video though copyright. Anyway it's from the end of the movie when Steve Jobs confronts Bill after the Macintosh announcement about stealing from them to make Windows. It's quite a powerful scene in the movie and shows that Noah Wiley is so much better at playing Steve Jobs then Ashton Kutcher. People seem to have gotten it into their heads that this is a Steve Jobs movie but it's really more like a 50/50 Apple/Microsoft movie.
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Despite how low budget this TV movie was, the acting is phenomenal and had me stuck to the screen the entire time.
Perfect casting
Yeah I am as riveted now as I was back in ‘99. Excellent.
@@johnrambo3831 Ditto
Social network before the social network
And how right Gates was. It took decades for Apple to reach the financial pinnacle that Microsoft did. And now where Apple is the "cool kid", Microsoft is the backbone of infrastructure.
"Thats not fair! i wanted to try to steal it first". great line
Unfortunately it doesn’t really reflect the nuances of what actually took place. Technically Jobs and Apple didn’t ‘steal’ the mouse and GUI from Xerox PARC. In reality, the Xerox head office willingly handed these over in exchange for Apple stock options.
@@shanetonkin2850 Exactly. Whatever you want to say about Jobs, he was brilliant, a true innovator. Gates was an unethical d-bag. Still is, with his maniacal vaccination obsession.
@@shanetonkin2850 you can't "willingly handover" what you don't know you have.
Also people fail to mention the Xerox had realeased Xerox star in 1981 and it failed… same for Lisa 1983… it’s the Macintosh team that really transformed the GUI into a functional stuff …. Windows was a just a copy paste of it…. More than Xerox it’s the Macintosh team that really deserves credit
@@chrissaenz6213 The XEROX PARC people literally BEGGED the Xerox Execs to not let Steve Jobs near XEROX. Steve Jobs even TOLD them they were sitting on a gold mine and Xerox didn't listen. They didn't listen to the PARC people and they didn't listen to the guy that 'robbed' them. This is on the XEROX Execs that were just waiting it out for their pensions. They didn't care about the future of the company. They didn't want to spend the money to take a GUI machine to market. Steve Jobs saw it differently.
Anthony Michael hall as Bill Gates is absolutely phenomenal in my honest opinion.
He knew it was his big comeback change and thankfully he didn't waste it
They were all great. They came up with the perfect cast for this film.
This is basically the same argument that Zuckerberg and the Winklevoss twins had some 20 years later. History is like poetry. It rhymes.
Because he's a funnier character than we've had
SJ: “We have better stuff.”
BG: “That doesn’t matter.”
Sums both up very accurately.
Keen summary
A foreshadow of what is to come for Microsoft. Make the software for the company and use their hardware to make money.
But Apple isn't better than Microsoft..
Lol
Polish Sausage not remotely. Most dumbass hippies are too stupid to know though.
The touch of Gates taking off the Apple shirt slowly....”I was never with you”
I like how Steve Ballmer is smiling the whole time, really faithful to the character
gEt oN yOuR fEeT!
@@bobjohnson7020 developers developers developers develope
lol all you had to say was that and I knew exactly what you were referring to.
This was a made for TV movie on TNT and it was way better than the garbage Steve Jobs movies that came out recently.
That movie without casting role for bill gates was a terrible mistake. How can you have jobs on the screen without his nemesis?
Jobs movie with Fassbender was great. Jobs movie with Kutcher was trash.
Great casting went a long way, Noah Wyle and Anthony Michael Hall killed it
The cast and writing were great. Noah did the best Jobs.
@@pepa007 Sure, only it didnt have anything to do with Jobs, Wozniak, Apple etc.
Such an amazing detail the way Bill removes his Apple t shirt as soon as he realizes he doesn't have to pretend anymore.
Anthony Michael Hall played Gates so perfectly!
And there are moments in Noah's profile, his mannerisms, where I swear it IS Steve Jobs.
@@jadedandbitter
Good actor
Steve Jobs wanted to sell computers to individuals and schools. Bill Gates understood that the big money is in selling technology to businesses. Not only do companies have more money to invest, they are more willing to upgrade their technology to stay competitive.
“I GOT THE LOOT, STEVE!” - Bill Gates
"you stole my gold, that is unforgivable" -Steve Jobs
Possibly the scene and line of Anthony Michael Hall's career. Great delivery.
Now looting over pandemic.
Probably one of the turning points in tech industry. You don't have to be the best, you just have to be first. The big fish don't eat the small fish anymore, it's the fast fish that eat the slow fish.
I LOVE this movie. I know its low budget. I know it's not true to life. But man its good.
I love how Bill Gates immediately starts taking off his Apple shirt once the jig is up.
One of the greatest movies ever imo. SO much better than all the Steve Jobs movies combined.
2:18
God that look on his face is just.... priceless. The gloves have really come off, Bill just knows he's won at this point.
This scene is so much better when you watch the interactions between Steve and Bill that happen earlier. The best is the scene where Steve calls Bill up and demands he come over to his house. Bill does, and Jobs just goes on a massive rant. Gates, however, just stands there and calmly waits for Jobs to wear himself out. Gates then calmly walks him through Microsoft's work (at least what he'll admit to at this point). By the end of the visit, Gates has Jobs thinking of their business relationship like a family (hence the line in this scene).
It's a good job I also uploaded that clip as well then.
Yep. For someone that seems socially awkward, Bill Gates is a master of social engineering.
An innovator vs a strategist
And you know who won the game.
@@hanrinch lmao Jobs wasn't even an innovator, he was just a pretentious douche with juuuuuust enough style and swagger to make you believe he was innovating. Gates sucks in his own right, but in this movie scene the writing is correct-- Jobs is just mad that Gates outplayed him and sees the ground more clearly than his own cloud of farts.
@@chavesa5 you seem to misunderstand my point, jobs was pissed because bill gates violated the contract which regardless to what jobs did to xerox. Bill gates signed that contract and he needed to follow it, that’s it. Sure they are both douchebag in the way but what gates did did not justifying he was legal. Jobs is never been an inventor in professional sense and he is still better than gates because he would redo the whole thing rather than just copy it, although apple granted the right from xerox in 1983 after the long legal battle and Microsoft wasn’t. Microsoft’s vary foundation was piracy from start, ms dos was a ripoff from CP/M system and internet explorer was literally a replica of Marathon browser, zune was imitated from a dead media player called “real player”, and notoriously the xbox was just a reskinned from a dead amiga console that was failed to release in late 1990. Everyone have the right to be mad at the pirate king bill gates!
How a TV/OVA movie had a much better casting (both on acting and likeness aspect) than TWO multi million Hollywood ones
People always portray Gates as the villain but imagine if he didn't create Windows and you had to pay 2000+ dollars to get any computer with a GUI lol
Facts
wrong, apple would never have gone down the _premium road_, if their PC became mainstream.
@@junaga2 Without Microsoft Apple wouldn't have had a working computer in the first place, because they stole the operating system for their Apple 1 and Apple II computers from Microsoft. Those computers ran an unlicensed copy of Basic, which at the time was the leading OS for microcomputers.
Microsoft wasn’t even a thing at the time of first Apple @@superhavi
@@superhavi infacts it Microsoft who bought the ms dos at low price from someone
echoes of steve telling the engineer to explain them GUI "This wont hurt" and her answering "Thats what you think"......
You can't trust nobody in this tech business it's just how it is.
Good thing I'm broke then.
in any business
@@vibovitold yeah, thats why no matter what, it doesnt matter if they are friends or family, you bring in the lawyers to handle the paper work because business is business.
Sometimes when I'm arguing with someone and they start arguing some position that is ultimately irrelevant it makes me think of this scene
I love this movie because it was made before the "cult of apple". Before Steve Jobs was worshipped like Jesus or something.
The cult of Apple actually started long before this movie. The were at least partially responsible for keeping Apple alive in the 90s before Steve’s return. You can see bits of it in the movie actually, particularly at the beginning when the audience are heckling Steve for the deal with Microsoft.
I like how this movie showed that Jobs and Gates weren't good people. But at least Bill wasn't pretending to be one. As someone once said "Bill Gates could one day eradicate malaria from Earth, and yet people will remember Steve Jobs for making Walkmans smaller".
The cult of apple is literally depicted in this movie
This is the best Apple/Microsoft movie that is made and will ever be-made.
The best biopic of Steve Jobs and it’s not even entirely about Steve Jobs
i hated sorkin's movie. I don't hate fassbender. But I hated the talking too much of the movie in the latest steve jobs movie.
Steve Jobs tried to stop this TV movie from being made because of how accurate it was. Steve Woz said that Jobs tried suing the company that made the movie.
sources ?
I also heard Woz say shortly after this movie came out that the storyline was accurate for the most part. But the exact dialogue and background settings did not quite ring true.
Bill Gates on his reddit ama said this film is very accurate
The TV movie itself is loosely based upon a book called "Fire in the Valley: The Making of the Personal computer"by Paul Frieberger and Michael Swaine. I actually have the book and at the beginning of the TV movie, it is referred as the source. They did change a few things to make it more interesting. One example - Bill Gates did actually forget to bring a tie to the meeting with IBM. In the TV movie, Ballmer buys a tie from a guy in the bathroom doing his business. In reality, they waited outside a mall and immediately rushed when the mall opened in order to buy a tie for Gates to bring to the meeting with IBM.
But then he invited Noah Wyle to impersonate him at the beginning of the keynote speech at the next MacWorld Expo. So, there couldn't have been too hard of a grudge.
We have a contract
Well you should read it more carefully
that look at 2:03 "He's got a point, Steve."
I like how this scene builds up.
Steve is criticizing Bill over the theft of Macintosh elements to create Windows.
But then Bill points out the fact that what went into creating the Lisa and, later, the Macintosh were ideas Apple took from the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center.
What Microsoft took from Apple, Apple took from Xerox in a similar way.
Whether Macintosh or Windows succeeded, the credit for the ideas of the GUI and the manner with which the user could interface with it did not genuinely belong to Apple nor Microsoft, hence the "rich neighbor" metaphor.
From my reading, the Xerox/Apple deal was a genuine deal. Apple got technology that Xerox engineers had developed, and Xerox got Apple stock in exchange. The Microsoft deal was different, and I don't know exactly what was in the contract. Apparently Jobs thought there was some language to preclude competition between the two companies, but contract law wasn't his strong point.
Thanks for your info and insight.
Thanks for your info.
Watcher3223
If you do some research, you'll find out it was a deal between Apple and Xerox Parc. Xerox would purchase 1 million dollars in Apple stock and give a "demo" of the Alto computer which didn't even work(not a complete product or software) to Apple. Steve was impressed and wanted to create a Product with a GUI. Lisa was where Apple wanted to hit its mark but failed. The demo was no longer than a whole minute and Apple did not have access to their lines of codes, thus Apple did not steal xerox`s software even Steve Jobs himself admitted over a dozens of time about the xerox deal and demo. On the other hand, Microsoft was working with Apple to build apps for the Macintosh. They,Microsoft had full access to Apple's OS and lines of code and they stole Apple's software NOT idea.
Well, hey, why do research at this point.
You did it for me. ;-)
What lines of code in Windows can be shown as being directly duplicated from lines of code in the Macintosh OS? If it was copied, the code would have to be recompiled to work on x86 since it's a different architecture to the one used for the 68000 that the original Mac ran on.
However, you don't have to copy lines of code to take the idea of somebody else and use it. You can write original code to execute an unoriginal idea.
Great movie. Best made for tv movie I ever saw.
it really be like that sometimes
Beware of the person who knows tech.
In the business sense, it doesn’t matter. In the historical sense, the innovator is remembered more fondly. IE. Tesla Vs. Edison
"That doesnt matter".
That should be the Microsoft slogan.
and a macos quote. no one who owns a mac today is getting a good product. these arent linuxs
@@documentthedrama8279I think underestimate what Apple has achieved with M1 and Apple silicon in general. It’s truly a new kind of personal computing.
Best acting ever 👏👌 I bet it went down exactly like that too 😲
I GOT THE LOOT STEVE!!!
Microsoft made software that allowed people to make their own products. Hence the explosion of computer products. Apple just made computer products. Microsoft freed users. Apple closed them in. Apple a "better" (prettier) product" than a computer licensed to run Microsoft? Arguably. But a better computer? Not even playing the same game. That's what Jobs, and the rest of the Apple cult "don't get". But 99% of computer buyers don't get it either. Nor do they need to. They just want a product they can use to tweet, play games, and view porno. Microsoft is now also not serving the 1% of real computer users. They are closing off the Microsoft system. That's because the real user working in their garage can still come up with something that could blow them both out of the water. That's the opening right now. The gauntlet has been tossed. I'm recruiting by the way. Anyone want to join up with the most realistic VR company in the world headed by the most widely collected, and best known stereographer in the world? That's me. SAMU, 3dpinup.
As long as they do not address the problems brought up in this video, than they are still part of the problem. ruclips.net/video/c6SUOeAqOjU/видео.html. Cut and Paste anybody.
How is the progress going?
I thought of this scene I saw the last exchange between Jobs and Wozniak in the Fassbender film.
SW: Your products are better than you are, brother.
SJ: That's the idea, BROTHER. And knowing that, that's the difference!
SW: It's not binary. You can be decent and gifted at the same time.
Steve Wozniak denounced that scene and said he would never speak that way to Jobs. He said Jobs never showed him anything but respect. Look up Wozniak’s opinion of the Fassbender film.
@@hardcoredoom5892 He didn't denounce that scene he simply said that while he would never talk to Steve the way he did in the movie he liked the way he was portrayed because the acting was really good.
Craig Bickerstaff meanwhile for this movie which was clearly made by people who did proper research Woz has stated It is pretty much entirely factual. Jobs says he didn’t like a few moments in it but praised Noah W for playing him
@@Maniac536 Jobs even invited Wyle to play him at an Apple event when this movie was released. It was a little cringey, but cute: ruclips.net/video/TIClAanU7Os/видео.html
I cannot believe that kid is the same actor as Johnny in "The dead zone" series
And Rusty Griswald in "National Lampoon's Vacation".
He got the role in dead zone because of his performance in this film
I like how this scene portrays Jobs as an honest and naive guy who was ripped off. I don't recall the part in this movie where it told that Steve ripped off his friend Woz when he programmed Breakout for Atari.
You should really watch the whole movie then. It is to this date the most accurate dramatized depiction of both Jobs and Gates.
The movie showed Jobs in a negative light for most of the time 😂
I remember watching this live, first airing. Steve Jobs came across as a bastard of a human being for most of the film. He is pushy, arrogant, demeaning. He denies being the father to his kid. He humiliates a perspective employee in an interview. He leaves out compensation for his original employees when he goes public. He flies a pirate flag because he is just stealing tech left and right, and wrongly believes that IBM is his biggest threat. 99% of this film makes him look bad. You have to really, really look hard to like him at all. That was my take some 25 years ago
@@Reggie2000 Well allegedly Steve Jobs wasn’t a likable person and he was a people abuser . It is just that he got a pass because he put out a great product. I once stood passively by and heard a debate between a youngster who might have been nineteen at the most and a woman in her thirties about 7 years ago. He was a Windows person and she was a Mac Person . He complained about how stringent and limited the Macs were and woman came back with “ I have never had a Mac crash on me “ . A lot of mega successful people are the end justifies the mean people.
@@dagnabbit6187 I hear ya.
I actually have never owned a single Apple product ever, and still run XP.
"We're better than you are, we have better stuff." haha im using that one
But the real crazy part is Xerox was sitting on an actual gold mine, but their old ways & stubborness led them to "keep making printers" instead of pivoting when they had a new idea. Change is the only Change.
I guess this film and especially this scene is iconic now . Like Wall Street , Pirates has many quotables & this especially rings true . . Some people have argued with me but from what I observed and was told , back during the videotape days ,Sony Betamax was the better format yet VHS got the USA market
The determinants there were cost and length. A VHS tape could record for longer, and was cheaper. Being better otherwise didn't really mean much for Betamax, as the improvements were marginal for most people. Real cinephiles often preferred Laserdiscs as well, so Betamax couldn't even hold a smaller segment committed to higher quality.
@@mutantraniE Yes but there are two things about laser discs . 1 they were ahead of their time 2. We Boomers I guess Genexers also found then kind of cumbersome and a specialty/niche item.
@@dagnabbit6187 yes, Laserdisc was the specialty item for people who wanted to watch films at home at higher definitions and with better audio. VHS was the cheaper standard item for recording TV broadcasts and renting films for non-cinephiles. There was simply no room for Betamax there, people who cared about the better video and audio quality would gravitate toward LaserDisc while people who just wanted to record or watch a film would gravitate toward the cheaper and longer runtime VHS.
And you know why? Because Sony didn't want the porn industry using their format, but the VHS market was only too happy to make a bundle from it!
The only thing that saved apple was the ipod.
The tech version of Vito whacking Fanucci. Steve Jobs always had massive main character syndrome (not totally undeserved) so it’s satisfying seeing him humbled
These actors KILLED IT
The best film about Jobs and Gates!!
"Now is not the time to fold." Tell that freak how it is Bill.
Jobs didn't have any problem ripping off Xerox's technology, but then gets mad when his ripoff gets ripped off.
But I have a prenup. THAT DOESN"T MATTER, Melinda!
I’ve got the vaccine Steve!
Steve Jobs, Always had a salty look on his face, even when he was winning. I would not trust him if he was trying to sell me a used car.
Except that he wouldn't sell you a used car that is below his quality standart. I would trust him either way even thought I know hes a very good salesman, as hes a brutally honest person and he has a vision for beauty.
No, he'd give it a new paint job and add some accessories that don't make the car run any better, and then double the asking price.
Gates fooled you, he's still a sociopath. Where's Mr Jar of Poop now? In a global pandemic? Hiding out in his compound on Mercer Island
But u gonna let him put a vaccine in u 😹
Checkmate
I'm sure it happened just like that...so dramatic
Actually, according to both Jobs and Gates, the argument that happened when Jobs first saw Windows was epic to behold.
This happened right after Steve Jobs told Bill Gates that "You're stealing from us?" in a boardroom with the board of directors at Apple's Headquarters and then Bill Gates replyed back with the rich Xerox neighbor analogy that was depicted in this clip. In the movie that part was shown at the Apple Computer Headquarters at night and this scene after the keynote presentation on two seperate days, whereas in real life, it took place at the same time.
the day.... when Apple was valued more then MS. I wouldnt have blame steve if he opened a bottle of champaign and rewarded ithis and at the end say, "fuck you. Yes, it does matter."
LOVE IT
We don't talk enough about the homoromantic subtext in this movie. And I say that in full support of it.
Steve was really not in a position to blame bill for pirated the kernel, the classic mac os kernel was also from xerox without licensing or pay for loyalty fee.
That's not entirely true, Steve worked out some sort of a deal with Xerox where they would buy a thousand shares in Apple or something. I don't know the full details of the deal but it involved him being shown everything they were working on. I think Steve said something like you can't do anything with this tech but we can.
Craig Bickerstaff it ended up jobs was being provocative and ignored the deal by introduced geos and mac os at the same year that lisa was recalled that pissed off xerox, later they met at the court and lawsuit was last 15 years until Microsoft agreed to pay off the fine to xerox for apple to settled the case in 1998 with deal of gaining more than 30% apple stock share and forced internet explorer as default browser and Microsoft office was forced inbuilt with mac os for ten years until 2008 via os-x 10.3.
Wow, I didn't know that. I thought it was just the idea, but the actual kernel? Interesting.
I fined it funny he was even mad any thing windows 1.0 to 3.0 Sucked hard and mac was way a head till windows 95 came out.
Karen Elizabeth only lisa’s kernel is joining project and steve job ripped off the exactly same source code and ported it directly to Macintosh and claim that was in house development without notifying xerox which was the reason the law sue started and it also granted Microsoft a chance to pirated the code from apple without legal issue and apple couldn’t do anything against it as it was too busy defending itself from xerox
Love it how basically says people prefer to buy crap as long as it’s cheap. Android is a great example now.
Android is not inherently crap. It just covers all of the price spectrum - you can get the cheapest shit and high end overpriced phones and anything inbetween. I have decent 300 euro Android phone and it is still going strong after 3 years and many, many falls.
Expensive phones are no go for me because I will never blow more than those 300 on what is at the end of the day just an auxilliary device. and I say that as someone who spent north of 2000 euro on gaming PC and will again when the time comes.
There's nothing more crap than the iPhone.
@@stefanjevtic7175 I manage my whole school with an iPad and iPhone. Financials, marketing and academics. So I beg to differ.
People prefer to buy 'good enough' as long as it's cheap. I've had iPhones and I've had Android phones. For my purposes there's little appreciable difference between them, except the Android phones cost 1/2 to 1/3 as much.
The best thing about this scene is that Gates is actually the good guy - put in retrospective.
@Judas1989 Well not really . I read in real life when Jobs was alive that both of them had a people abuser style of management . As far as personality ,from what I can ascertain , Jobs is the bigger Ahole . Read what Shark Tank’s Kevin O’ Leary had to say about his dealings with Steve Jobs . Disclaimer. O’ Leary didn’t do a character assault he just did a matter of fact.
This could be just as easily a scene I'd imagine if Steve came back from the dead and spoke with Tim Cook.
Yeh it doesn't matter, Bec. Microsoft owns 40% of "Apple".😂
Why can't you see this on Amazon, Hulu or Netflix? Or RUclips?
Because a 30 second search just showed me you can get it on Amazon and Hulu.
Where can I watch the full movie?, I can't find it in any ott platform
In the end - all things are commodified. I bet when the hammer was first invented, there was a cult around the inventor - child sacrifices and all. But others saw a mere tool - and copied it for what it was, and prospered.
Apple products are that beautiful, well-built hammer - made by the hammer cult for the faithful. For everyone else, a hammer is just a hammer...
What does it mean when steve said we have a contract and bill said you should read it carefully? Is there specific clause in the contract?
The contract speciffied that MS Corp can't launch GUI based OS till 1984(I am not sure any the exact year). Apple believed that by that time they would have launched their GUI and be the first. However, there was delay in Apple's development and hence the embargo period had passed.
why can't I find anywhere to stream this movie?
I think it's because it's a relatively small made-for-TV movie from 1999. I got the DVD on Amazon. I think it's the only option outside of VHS.
The only thing is that Windows did not really get good until Windows 3.1 that was early 1990s. Apple had a head start with the GUI but they sold their computers at too high a price which cost them market share. There would be other companies like Atari with the 520ST and Commodore who bought the Amiga company and those system cost less in 1986 than a Mac did. If Apple had not priced their computers so much higher than everyone else, perhaps Windows would have never gotten a chance to dominate the computer industry if the Mac market share was higher.
Business industries don't give a shit about computers in 1980s. It's true.... They laughed the idea called mouse, GUI, user interface. True story.
I have an special kind of hate on Steve Jobs, and appreciation to Bill Gates. Thanks to Bill computers got popular in a very short period of time, and aren´t luxury items like Jobs wanted them to be.
Yep. Gates democratized home computing. Apple products are prohibitively expensive, always have been. Windows and PCs blew Apple out of the water when the Internet age began and when PCs took over America in the 1990s in a big, affordable way. Jobs was a genius and a visionary to be sure, but his babies the LISA and the much-overrated (but still momentarily significant) Macintosh were very expensive failures. The new millennium saw Apple's resurrection, and Jobs was a big part of that, but he still had the same ego, the same belief that he knew better than the consumer, that Apple systems should defy individualized modification, and somehow sold the world at large on his sainthood. If you dig, and not even much, you'll find quickly that Gates is the much better human being, while still being a great business man. But the hip like Jobs, whether they understand him or not.
Bill is like Henry Ford's cars, made them to where almost anyone could afford one.
Bill Gates is a eugenicist. He has said on more than one occasion that if we do a good job through health care and vaccines that we can get the world population down 10% in the next decade. He said it at a tedx conference then he said it again while being interviewed by somebody. His daddy was a bigwig at Planned Parenthood, which is all about population control from the womb.
I don't understand. How does eugenics relate to health care, vaccines and population drop? Doesn't eugenics just mean selective breeding to produce a "more advanced" human.
I understand. You're just another delusional conspiracy theorist. Also, my question was intended for Dilly Dally, since he/she was the one talking about it.
When he said, that doesnt matter, my high school teacher said he meant microsoft had better marketing. But probably what Gates really meant is that he had killer applications especially spreadsheets.
This is patently false. It came down to price point. Eventhough, Apple's stategy was to target students and the education field, IBM and Microsoft targeted businesses and the respective workforce with a much lower total cost of the DOS-Window-Work/Office desktops. As for spreadsheets, at the time, Lotus 1-2-3 was a far superior spreadsheet than Excel. It was Excel's integration with other Office Suite products that did Lotus 1-2-3 in.
In my entrepreneurship class my teacher showed us this film and broke it down. Everything from paying a random guys for his tie, to selling IBM a product they didn’t have, to cutting an opponent’s legs out from underneath them like this, it basically reinforced the idea that “you do whatever you have to and to any lengths you need to in order to succeed.”
When it came to the “that doesn’t matter” moment, he stopped the film and said “that’s what it’s all about. Doesn’t matter if someone else has better stuff. The first in the door gets the lion’s share”
it did matter, it does matter, and now it's done. btw, Steve paid Xerox.
@The Fandom Menace "compensated"
@The Fandom Menace dissemble all you want but considerable financial opportunity was offered and accepted - he did not steal it.
This came on TNT after wrestling’s
I love it haha
There is no goddamn way on God's green earth Bill Gates was ever THIS badass
whatching this torrented on a windows pc
I fined it funny they even though any thing below windows 3.0 and down was any thing like mac OS. windows sucked till windows 3.1 and was not good till windows 95.
I thought this film was good because it seemed very accurate. I like the film, Jobs, too because, eventhough it’s very inaccurate, it is very entertaining. Ashton is totally believable (to me) as Steve. Josh Gad, Mathew Modine, Dermot Mulroney, JK Simmons, and James Woods were all great in that film. I like the film Steve Jobs too- but I mostly don’t like how they stay in a building throughout majority of the film. Atleast Posv and Jobs have multiple environments going through time. I own them all though.
not how it went in real life but oh well
Close enough considering its a movie... Gates and Jobs both said later that Jobs had a total full-out meltdown when he saw Windows for the first time...
2:25 w-wait if THAT doesn't matter then what does matter?
to be there first
Take a good look everyone; this is the last geek Anthony Michael Hall would ever play.
3 trillion and counting.
It didnt matter bcos gates bundled windows with off the rack equipement similar to dell and nec.. He killed apple based on price..
🤩🤩👍👍🥰🥰
Zuckerberg to Musk today 😅
What does it mean when bill said "that doesnt matter" When Steve said his product is better? Why a better competitor product doesnt matter? I thought it matters.
It’s because Microsoft was able to take market share by coming out first and used there massive reach to make there software the norm and people wouldn’t bother to switch after apples came out
@@CruzCGK basically...mission accomplished on making people need what we have
Steve Jobs was obsessed with excellence and perfection until the day he died. Idealism. But Microsoft just wanted to ship things that worked and that people could afford to buy-- no-nonsense pragmatism. They were clunky, soulless, and uncool, but they got the job done. And that's why I admire Apple today but use Windows on a PC I built, even though I don't admire Microsoft at all. Truly, it "doesn't matter".
@The Fandom Menace Wow, I hadn't heard that story before. Thanks for telling it!
Quantity over quality. Period.
Well physical calculators all look the same so wouldn't virtual calculators too? Also, the pesky thing about capitalism, you've got to compete, Steve.
Bill Gates, National Treasure 911, FLight Simulator, Pirates. Northwest Traders Via the Southwind devils. (credit to bill gates for this windows pc)
Funny how now a days, iPhones, and iPads matter most because they are better.
OMG. a young Noah Wyle. yummy. lol
The contract was reliant on Steve putting out a project put by a specific date. Apple went way beyond that date which meant Microsoft had to keep holding out to pay their people. History is a funny thing with Hollywood. And Steve would have never saved Apple without Bill coming to the rescue in the late 90s. These are facts.
What did Elton John mean by this?
that this is your software
Why isn't this movie on Apple TV? 😂😂😂😂😂
actually it is lmao
why doesn't it matter?
Because everyone cannot afford it.
How many windows pc do you see vs mac os? Price, accessibility
If you watched the movie, Microsoft had a hardware contract.
17 years later Apple changes the music industry with the iPod.
Music lovers: But CD is better! It's much higher quality than AAC and MP3!
Apple: You don't get it: that doesn't matter.
And indeed, the average Joe doesn't give shit about quality.
It's price and convenience that counts.
Unfortunately :(
yeah yeah, the same old story. and before that, vinyls were supposed to be the ultimate quality, and CDs the demise of music.
i dare you to distinguish a 320 kbps mp3 from a CD version. try 10 songs, see how well you do (5 out of 10 is what you'd expect on average, given the chances are fifty fifty).
Quality doesn't matter if you can't afford to have it. Most people aren't choosing between cheap and good, they're choosing between cheap and nothing. The fact that you don't have to be rich to afford a computer is not unfortunate at all.
? xD like there was no other mp3 players on the market before xD
Some Elitists people in the comments want all the computer to be an expensive luxury product. Just as heartless as Steve jobs.
*Elitist
@@stefanjevtic7175 thanks
I have grown up on Windows. My parents thought it was ludicrous to buy a 1200 mac as opposed to a 400 windows pc. When I turned 21, i spent the dough for a mac. One of the best decisions I have ever made in my life.
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So you basically dont do anything important in the computer
Andres Rojas it suits my needs. What business is it of yours?
I was the other way around tbh. I used to love apple, then I finally built a PC with windows, it’s just better.
@@inutero10 Suits your needs in what way? Windows has just about anything that MacOS has & even more. You should’ve gotten a Surface
Cant wait till the 2020 version of the "real" Bill Gates expose comes to Netflix. I just cant wait.
Having been a customer of both, since the late 70s, I can say Microsoft won some battles but Apple eventually won the war.
Really "The war" ended a long time ago. Apple have grown significantly by creating a massive shift in the mobile phone market. Microsoft were too comfortable and complacent and they didn't act in time to really turn things around for Windows Phone. I think they've abandoned it at this point in favour of an Android strategy.
They still have a prominent position in the desktop space but it's become less relevant since computing for the average person has moved to mobile phones.
@@CraigBickerstaff I am your regular non Mensan Joe Blow who is competent with technology . Talked with another guy like me at a Ruby Tuesday’s. He was familiar with this movie . We both had IPhones . That point was made . “ Hey Microsoft you owned the world ? How could you blow it ? “. I will say that Windows 7 was ubiquitous and it was popular but still not even that matters anymore .
@Vance Wankel “ We’re better than you “ ? Well anyway I don’t know which four you mean “ You’re too late ! “ I will count as three words because a contraction is not two separate words but that did come back at Microsoft when they tried their hand at a Windows phone but finally gave up because.,,,, they were too late !
It actually *did* matter.