I love how Sculley’s gift to Steve was a Newton, not because it’s actually a good device but because it’s a symbol of apple’s failure without Steve and that’s the real gift lol
Good thing they talked about the reasoning for the gift because if John had left it with Steve's assistant without a message behind it, (yours and my belief of what that sybolism meant) Steve would've taken it as an insult, hence why he asks "is this your way of telling me I shouldn't have killed the Newton?" Good thing they discussed it lol
Someone from Apple said of this film, I forget who - “None of it happened but it’s all true.” Which perfectly describes why this film is such a brilliant ‘biopic’.
@@quietdemon8138Hertzfeld's stories on Folklore are a great way to get a really good picture of the classic Macintosh team, and what their interactions with Jobs were like.
That's the secret in doing a dramatisation of a biopic.. It has to be rooted in truth in order to work, you have to get the framework and the dynamics right, and then sort of connect the dots by creating the dialogue (which will of course be purely fictional)
@@Sam-um9nu no he didn't? What evidence in all of the testimony of those who worked for him and those who knew him would ever lead you to believe that. He detested humanity and if robots could do the work he would've fired everyone except himself
I love the three dimensions of Scully's relationship with Steve in this movie. We have the friendly and warm dynamic at the beginning of the movie, the hostile standoff in the middle of the movie, and the melancholy and resigned goodbye at the end.
the hostile standoff wasn't really uncalled for. The movie kinda shows from the perspective of Jobs. But when Scully took over, Jobs was a nightmare to work with. The teams under him had an extremely hard time. Jobs was a perfectionist, and he used to drive people mad with overwork, repeated work, and he was never satisfied(unrealistic expectations). He burned a lot of money, workforce and time. Later on when he came back to Apple he was older, more grown up, and more mature.
It just now dawned on me that John Sculley entering the room triggered Steve's thoughts to think about his father because he didn't just see John as a mentor, but as a father too. Makes the torn relationship more heartbreaking now, but those little details...damn, Sorkin.
Jose Gonzalez it’s not that little. Act one John talks about how Andy is warning John about being a father figure. But it comes full circle as all good story telling does
The three lines that get me are.. "yeah, turns out you can".. "what can a one-month do that's so bad his parents give him back".. and "did I do this, screw it up?"
Aaron Sorkin is a genius. The way he arranges lines in his scenes is haunting, deep and beautiful. I would have never expected how much special this movie would become to me.
MotherLover Roshi I absolutely have to agree with you... and whether or not there are great actors if they're decent actors in the presence of a great Peru… You can make something really special(Starship Troopers O;-))
...why is no one mentioning Danny Boyle? He's the genius that brought it all together. If Sorkin was the Wozniak of this film, Boyle would be the Steve Jobs.
@Daz Ediss People that achieve divine levels of success and accomplishment often do so at the cost of alienating those around them. Julius Caesar caused his fellow peers to become enraged and conspire to murder him. Alexander the Great lost the companionship of his closest generals and even killed one of them after they betrayed him. Napoleon was condemned to exile by those that worked with him most. It's either you conquer the world and lose your relationships (as is bound to happen when you become disconnected with "lower" people), or you're just some average joe. Most people aren't willing to make that sacrifice, and so they end up just some average loser. But hey, at least sally down the street knows you're a "good person", right? Lmao.
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no Nope, that's why I call them almost-greats. They can't do what would, if deliberately done, take minutes in a day. They were incompetent enough to not be able to do those things together at the same time. You can't think of examples because you're in this frame of mind now. Incompetent by definition and comparison - a person who can do both is more competent. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@TheHellogs4444 I agree with you. Also, Steve Jobs in this scene (although I know its a Hollywood version of Jobs) clearly still harbors feelings about being "given away". Even in his commencement speech he refers to his adoptive mother as his mother. Clearly he cares about being "loved" by significant ones which ultimately means wanting to be a "good person" at your core. When your daughter has ill feelings towards you, you can't help but wonder if you're a bad person. Sure, you can try and justify your actions (or lack of affectionate actions) by saying "I'm really accomplished and adored by the public". But deep down you know that being loved by billions of random strangers is very different from being loved by your daughter. It seems to me that "great" people who couldn't be loved by their significant ones try to use their success to mask their failure of being a normal, decent human being.
"You can't refuse to love someone, Steve." "Yeah, turns out you can." He's talking about his mother, but he's actually thinking about Lisa. He chose not to love his own daughter!
He learned a fiew bits after he was fired from Apple and started his own company. But it was mostly during the short NEXT Computers era that Jobs really changed a lot. If you watch some of the old documentaries about the formation of the company you'll se that a lot of the old "impossible dead lines" bullshit was carried over by Jobs from Apple to NEXT. Even the small crew he gathered at the begining of the company warned him about those dead lines and the working conditions. When he re-entered in Apple around 1997 he already changed a lot, I think because he didn't want to take responsability for what happened in 1985 but then when he had his own company and full control he failed for almost the exact same reasons, so the "it was the CEOs fault" excuse didn't run no more. Granted he never fully changed, but an improvement was made on his persona after seeing how his attitude with the people under his control ended up being the MAIN CAUSE behind his demise.
@@PointReflex Maybe he mellowed a bit, people tend to do that with age. But he was still very much the same and for good reason: His "impossible" expectations tended to be spot on. In terms of deadlines: Parkinson's Law is accepted as true by pretty much any experienced project manager. Whether you give a team 6 months or 18 months, the result will be almost identical, the project will go into crunch time either way, etc. In terms of engineering expectations: Countless of Jobs' "impossible" demands from his engineers turned out to be very much possible just a bit harder to crack. This is widely known as the RDF: Reality Distortion Field. A term coined by Bud Tribble during the Macintosh development. And while it may be taxing it's an essential part of what made Apple great. And I think most key contributors are quite fond of that - at least in retrospect.
I don't care if 90-95% of this film never happened (or at least 95% of the dialogue), this is one of my FAVORITE films. THIS and The Social Network are two films that I can watch or just LISTEN to over and over again.
The biopic is a character study, the movie is called Steve Jobs, not the history of Apple. He really was adopted, neglected his daughter, fired the Apple 2 team, and had some strange habits.
@@AYVYN True, but I never said that any of what you wrote didn't happen nor did I say that "Steve Jobs" was the history of Apple. The film did receive criticism for being mostly fiction, but like said: don't care. LOVE the screenplay.
This scene in particular fascinates me because it portraits clarity after confusion. There are moments in life when things get so clear that one can't help themselves but contemplate its beauty.
Ariel Pirangy This is basically one big hindsight for both people. They realize each other's intentions. Though it's the most profound for Steve because he comes to the understanding that fighting isn't always the best way of dealing with people. In this scene he actually had an argument where he treated someone as an equal when before he always argued with people he thought inferior. That's why he asks if he's "...done this?"
“The most inefficient animals on the planet are humans, but a human with a bicycle becomes the most efficient animal. And the right computer will be a bicycle for the mind.” God Why does that make me feel like the invention of personal computing was so bloody poetic, it’s beautiful.
Really puts me in the mindset of what a computer at the time represented to someone like Steve. He saw the inconceivable possibility of the greatest human creation since the wheel.
@@aniketdubey7363Hey, late reply but sure. If the “he” you’re referring to is Jobs, he’s talking about their fractured relationship, as referenced by what he says next “The things we could have done together”. If you’re referring to John, he’s saying that whoever’s fault it is doesn’t really matter at this point and that it’s best to leave it in the past and let it go.
Jeff Daniels didn't start in comedic roles, he's an accomplished actor outside of dumb and dumber. If anything dumb and dumber proves he could play a comedic role perfectly.
@@Tallahassee21 he’s just like John C Reilly. JCR is one the greatest character actors of the last 30 years. It wasn’t until the mid 2000s that he became a comedic actor.
Digital Drummer Funny that you and +Rocket get Interstellar vibes because that happened to me as well. While I was listening to this track, titled "Father (Child)", I had space imagery flowing through my mind. Also coincidental that it's title of the track is reminiscent of the themes in Interstellar as well.
"And what if the computer wasn't in The Right Hands, but in everyone's hands." Pair that with, "They gave me back." Together, these lines amount to a man who wanted everyone to have what he wanted to bring to people, who didn't want to be given back. Amazing writing by Sorkin.
Nicholas Gonzalez It shows me that Steve believed that this technology was so powerful that to limit it to a select group would be disastrous for society. He knew that trying to restrict the technology wouldn't work for long. Hence, giving it only to the right people was impossible. The only thing to do was to give it to everyone. That way np one has to keep because all men are enlightened.
@@pizzarelaguy overpriced, and having unnecessary-price-jacking features?YES. But piece of crap?NO. I've been a Linux guy almost exclusively from 2008, then at March 2019 someone decided to give me a scholarship and a Macbook that's free for me to use and carry around. NOPE, I didn't became a Mac-convert, still a Linux guy as ever, but it gave me chance to see real values of Apple and it's environment that is in multimedia industries, for any other purposes, especially programming/development, go for Linux
@@TunjungUtomo exactly. People have preferences and one product has strengths the others don’t have but also has flaws. I was an Android user before because of customization and freedom then I switch to an iPhone last year cause somebody gifted one to me and I am loving their privacy features but I do miss some features that can only be found in Android. I am still a Windows user because that’s what I grow up with and I dislike the MacOs but that doesn’t stop me from appreciating the progress that M1 made. I prefer Spotify than Apple Music. It is what it is. It’s just my preferences. For people to shame other people for using something and buying something with their own money and acting as if they have a say or as if somebody hurts them every time others don’t use their favorite products is just plain stupid. It’s not their life, you do you.
Steve: The things we could've done together... John: ...God, the things we could've done... A heartbreaking but wholesome closure to the friendship that was...
I could watch this scene over and over again.. the music, editing, writing, and acting is incredible and works so well together.. Fassbender's expressions and tone make this what it is.. a sad moment when it dawns on Jobs that his neglect, denied paternity, and ultimately "refusal(ed) to love" his daughter is "screwing her(it) up" in the same unfair manner in which his life started.
I just realized Steve Jobs and Moneyball are companion pieces, a piece pushing many pieces up (Moneyball), and many pieces pushing one piece up (Steve Jobs), both characters have daughters that are sidelined, but the juxtaposing, is empathy and apathy, both improving people while neglecting the person
This film and particularly this scene, has such a haunting yet sentimental spirit. Really casts a shadow of tragedy and regret on the life of Steve Jobs whether you loved it hated him. Makes me think, what if he never became who he was and we never got the personal computer or the iPod or the iPhone or Pixar? What if he would have connected with his father? What if he would’ve reconciled with John Sculley? What if he and Woz became close again? What if he was a better father to Lisa? What if he would’ve gotten his surgery when he was supposed to and he would still be alive to this day? So many questions that will never have answers. What a story.
He was a colossal asshole, but a visionary who changed the world. Anyone who denies either truth is kidding themselves. Seems fitting, even inevitable, that the same visionary pride that brought us the iPhone also kept him from getting his cancer treated properly. He had a rare, treatable form of pancreatic cancer. And he tried to treat it by eating freakin’ carrots.
"and we never got the personal computer or the iPod or the iPhone or Pix-" - you do realize that with the exception of Pixar, (maybe), all those other things were already around BEFORE Jobs and Apple claimed to have "invented" them, yes?
@@PrestigeLearningyes which goes hand in hand with the tragedy. Ironic how the very attitude that propelled him to push the envelope with how people use these products is also the same attitude that theoretically ended his life.
The Macintosh is a bicycle for the mind, and every modern computer is built from its solutions. The Iphone goes further, like an automobile for the mind.
@@Stigvandr Would you mind clarifying what those solutions were? I ask because most of what the Macintosh is credited for was actually inspired by systems made by Xerox PARC, which were in turn inspired by the work of Douglas Engelbert. There's a presentation done by him in 1968 retroactively named "The Mother of all Demos" which demonstrated a mouse based interface, video conferencing, and a windowing system, among other things.
@@ianhamilton350 Well then it seems you know more about this than me. The big thing that the Mac 2 did was 1. It worked, and 2. It sold. A lot. And through those two things it popularized its solutions, which it does not surprise me was inspired, borrowed or stolen from previous systems.
There is nothing about the original Macitonish that other computers weren't already doing to one degree or another. What the Macintosh had was Steve Jobs and his Cult of Personality. It had an amazing media campaign built up around it. The Apple 2 was the better computer, and it was more successful over a much longer period of time.
You really really need to listen to this movie to fully understand where every detail of this movie at first I didn't understand it but now I get it IT IS AWESOME I ENJOYED THIS MOVIE!!!!
Imo a tablet is like the ultimate manifestation of the quote “bicycle for your mind”. It’s friendly, very easy to use, extremely powerful and paired with a pencil, It can be a creative tool too.
Half the stuff in this movie never took place, and the most egregious falsity this movie portrays is the "coming to terms" relationship - when in reality, Steve Jobs and Scully hated each other until Jobs died.
yes. shame at some point he started to believe his scripts would turn into better movies if they were directed by him too. Jobs was the last great Sorking film because it was directed by a great director instead of a great writer.
Interesting fact: During the time that Steve Jobs had been a regular at Jandali's restaurant, he actually did not even know that Jandali was his biological father. He found that out later, after his long-lost sister Mona Simpson had tracked down both him and Jandali.
Dumb is more like it. Writing with a stylus is far more natural, and quicker, then tapping out letters with a couple of fingers. As matter of fact, I just wrote this comment with a stylus. The problem wasn't ever the idea of using a stylus was bad, it was the technology wasn't there in the day of the Newton. Now it is.
@@AmiliaCaraMia like what? Telling the truth? Jobs had one thing going for him - he most likely was the greatest salesman to ever live. He could have most likely convinced his fans to buy bottled air from Apple. But that didn't mean he was right all the time. And in the case of stylus vs. fingers he was dead wrong. He just convinced people he was right.
@@looneyburgmusic I think the answer is: it depends on optimizing an individual's dexterity, coordination, and tactile comfort. When I got a smartphone for the first time I got a Motorolla because it had a physical keyboard. I was not only used to a physical keyboard because I've been using them since elementary school, but also because something about repeated use of touch screens make my fingers physically uncomfortable (keyboards do not). If I was older and had not grown up with keyboards, but had instead grown up with penmanship courses in grade school that resulted in me having excellent handwriting then writing with a stylus on a device that can read that handwriting and convert it to text would be an outstanding tool.
My two most favourite movies of all time is this and The Social Network. And both is what you would call just a "talking movie". Man, the magic people can do with wonderful script, acting, directing, cuts, sound design....the meticulous arrangements of film making elements. What a fine dining experience.
As someone said about those movies were in fact action movies, where they changed the bullets, for words, while all the adrenaline, suspense and emotion were keep it.
This was the most moving scene of the film... what is fascinating is that is not only about love, but about vision, friendship, entrepreneurship and believing in your ideas.
If you guys ever created something with such passion, Steve acts as a mirror for us. I have to direct a student project, and I feel like Steve at this moment.
That scene...that simple, not over the top, not exaggerated scene where he walks and pick up a newton and accept it, tells so much about his character.. That he is grown, matured and has forgiven.. This movie is brilliant...
“If you’re holding a stylus you cant use the other 5 attached to your wrist” felt like he was foreshadowing what technology was coming, damn this man was a genius
And today, all those years later, the vast majority of people still only use one or two fingers to interact with their phones/tablets... Or they use a stylus
The right computer IS a bicycle for the mind. 22 years ago I got my first computer it wasn’t a Apple, I just went home after school every day and created different things on it. I now do that as a job.
one of many things shown in the movie which never happened and this scene took me to swallow because they did not have a talk like this. As part of the movie it is however fantastic. The acting of Michael Fassbender and Jeffrey Daniels is ON POINT. Every nuance right. The photography, the setup, the music, the colors even, everything fits. And is important. Every line uttered is important.
if he had turned out to be kind and nice person, people will say he managed to learn his parents and escape the wheel of determinism. if he had turned to be mean and cruel, people will blame it on his parents negligence. why be nice and humane when you can be "successful" and efficient, especially when you can't be bothered by the status quo of "doing the right things"? you could just deflect the nature your personality onto your upbringing.
The fact that you're contemplating how to act at all means you've already forfeited the right to claim that your faults are merely the product of your upbringing.
I am about to put my two week notice in. My boss and I have been doing our thing for 20 years. I picture the last day ending like the end of this scene. “It has to be time.”
When Steve went to the restraunt he had no clue Jandali was his father. It was after they found out that he already stopped going. Imagine eating at a restraunt and you had no clue the owner was your father. Goes to show Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. If Steve had been raised by his original father. Apple wouldn't exist.
It's really admirable - the wonder and potential these people saw in putting computers in the hands of everyone... then you take one look at social media and you have to ask yourself: where did it all go so wrong...
For some reason I keep coming back to this video every few months. The writing of this scene is beautiful. I love the way Steve snaps his fingers, turns around and tells why he killed the Newton after having "that" conversation.
I really do hope that Steve really said this. It makes him redeemable in retrospect. Without this type of philosophy, he's really nothing compared to Wozniak
He still exhibited a lot of shitty behavior as a husband and a father according to what I've read. Chrissann's autobiography _A Bite In the Apple_ and Lisa's autobiography _Small Fry_ and Steve's authorized biography by Walt Isaacson, and anecdotes by employees share a lot insight with stories of awful behavior along with his generosity and kindness.
Not really, it's because this guy from microsoft who would hang out with him (he was the husband of his wife's friend) would infuriate him while touting what microsoft was up to. Steve wanted to show him what apple could do.
5:08 I love how Steve's laugh after Sculley accepts the job offer seems like a happy laugh on the surface, but as we know that this is a flashback, it could also be interpreted as an evil laugh and a portrayal of Sculley being haunted by Steve.
I love how Sculley’s gift to Steve was a Newton, not because it’s actually a good device but because it’s a symbol of apple’s failure without Steve and that’s the real gift lol
Good thing they talked about the reasoning for the gift because if John had left it with Steve's assistant without a message behind it, (yours and my belief of what that sybolism meant) Steve would've taken it as an insult, hence why he asks "is this your way of telling me I shouldn't have killed the Newton?" Good thing they discussed it lol
I once owned a Newton. I bought it within a year of Jobs taking Apple back over.
Just a kind of a peace offering, they were friends, of a sort.
man it feels like Kate Winslet spent the whole movie saying "Steve, it's time"
Thats what she said to him when steve was trying to remember the inception theme song
😂😂😂
Not a bad gig if you can get it
It's kind a build up where in the end Steve responds with "I don't care" when Joanna says "it's time"
And listening to him have a conversation with someone else from a hallway
Someone from Apple said of this film, I forget who - “None of it happened but it’s all true.” Which perfectly describes why this film is such a brilliant ‘biopic’.
Wonder who that was? Wozniak has openly said similar things, that nothing in this movie actually happened but all of the emotions were 100% real
@@PrestigeLearning I think that's it... yeah, it was Wozniak.
@@ShamylOthman23 it wasn’t Wozniak it was Andy Hertzfeld aka the guy who couldn’t get the Macintosh to say hello
@@quietdemon8138Hertzfeld's stories on Folklore are a great way to get a really good picture of the classic Macintosh team, and what their interactions with Jobs were like.
That's the secret in doing a dramatisation of a biopic.. It has to be rooted in truth in order to work, you have to get the framework and the dynamics right, and then sort of connect the dots by creating the dialogue (which will of course be purely fictional)
"You can't refuse to love someone, Steve."
"Yeah, turns out you can"
One of the most heartbreaking lines in the movie
hence he turned out to love no one but himself
So self centered. He never once thought about maybe it was something wrong with them and not him
@@thrillhouse4784 he had a lot of love for humanity
@@Sam-um9nu no he didn't? What evidence in all of the testimony of those who worked for him and those who knew him would ever lead you to believe that. He detested humanity and if robots could do the work he would've fired everyone except himself
@@thrillhouse4784 its too bad there was only a few of him and millions of people like you
"He'd probably find a reason to sue me" is one of the saddest lines...
Honestly☹️
That was a goosebumps line.
It may happens
It's also one of the truest statements, of the entire movie.
“Oh Steve...” The softness, almost pity, in Jeff Daniel’s voice. So beautiful.
I love the three dimensions of Scully's relationship with Steve in this movie. We have the friendly and warm dynamic at the beginning of the movie, the hostile standoff in the middle of the movie, and the melancholy and resigned goodbye at the end.
It’s almost as if there were professional writers who understand story structure that put the script together
@@randbarrett8706 Is there any point to the sarcasm?
the hostile standoff wasn't really uncalled for.
The movie kinda shows from the perspective of Jobs.
But when Scully took over, Jobs was a nightmare to work with. The teams under him had an extremely hard time.
Jobs was a perfectionist, and he used to drive people mad with overwork, repeated work, and he was never satisfied(unrealistic expectations).
He burned a lot of money, workforce and time.
Later on when he came back to Apple he was older, more grown up, and more mature.
@@randbarrett8706it’s almost as if he was leaving a comment, complimenting those very same writers
Sadly, I believe Scully and Jobs never reconciled in real life. Jobs went to the grave still hating Scully
It just now dawned on me that John Sculley entering the room triggered Steve's thoughts to think about his father because he didn't just see John as a mentor, but as a father too. Makes the torn relationship more heartbreaking now, but those little details...damn, Sorkin.
Jose Gonzalez it’s not that little. Act one John talks about how Andy is warning John about being a father figure. But it comes full circle as all good story telling does
Sorkin's a genius.
Fantastic script
I hate Sorkin. Overly dramatic nonsense that never happened in real life. A wet fever dream. Low hanging fruit. One liners galore. Pretentious.
@@Time2gojoe okay
As a very nostalgic person, the last line "god the things we could've done" gets me so much...
The three lines that get me are.. "yeah, turns out you can".. "what can a one-month do that's so bad his parents give him back".. and "did I do this, screw it up?"
Used To Be kingdom hearts?
You should read classic literature, that will have your mind in an emotional rollercoaster
nonya fourthreetwoonezero what do you mean? I’m curious.
@@nyrangersfan6325 Reading literature can be a painful experience. Usually more painful than actual life. For me anyways
Aaron Sorkin is a genius. The way he arranges lines in his scenes is haunting, deep and beautiful. I would have never expected how much special this movie would become to me.
Ariel Pirangy so is Fassbender
Absolutely!
It's not always the lines but mostly how they're delivered! Plus awesome writing makes it easier for awesome actors ;)
MotherLover Roshi I absolutely have to agree with you... and whether or not there are great actors if they're decent actors in the presence of a great Peru… You can make something really special(Starship Troopers O;-))
...why is no one mentioning Danny Boyle? He's the genius that brought it all together. If Sorkin was the Wozniak of this film, Boyle would be the Steve Jobs.
"Did I do this? Did I screw it up?" Finally taking ownership in his later years.
@Daz Ediss People that achieve divine levels of success and accomplishment often do so at the cost of alienating those around them. Julius Caesar caused his fellow peers to become enraged and conspire to murder him. Alexander the Great lost the companionship of his closest generals and even killed one of them after they betrayed him. Napoleon was condemned to exile by those that worked with him most. It's either you conquer the world and lose your relationships (as is bound to happen when you become disconnected with "lower" people), or you're just some average joe.
Most people aren't willing to make that sacrifice, and so they end up just some average loser. But hey, at least sally down the street knows you're a "good person", right? Lmao.
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no I mean I feel like it's not as black and white as that. If you aren't the next Julius Caesar then you're a loser?
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no Nope, that's why I call them almost-greats. They can't do what would, if deliberately done, take minutes in a day. They were incompetent enough to not be able to do those things together at the same time. You can't think of examples because you're in this frame of mind now. Incompetent by definition and comparison - a person who can do both is more competent. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@TheHellogs4444 I agree with you. Also, Steve Jobs in this scene (although I know its a Hollywood version of Jobs) clearly still harbors feelings about being "given away". Even in his commencement speech he refers to his adoptive mother as his mother. Clearly he cares about being "loved" by significant ones which ultimately means wanting to be a "good person" at your core. When your daughter has ill feelings towards you, you can't help but wonder if you're a bad person. Sure, you can try and justify your actions (or lack of affectionate actions) by saying "I'm really accomplished and adored by the public". But deep down you know that being loved by billions of random strangers is very different from being loved by your daughter. It seems to me that "great" people who couldn't be loved by their significant ones try to use their success to mask their failure of being a normal, decent human being.
Arrogant men never listen.
"You can't refuse to love someone, Steve."
"Yeah, turns out you can."
He's talking about his mother, but he's actually thinking about Lisa. He chose not to love his own daughter!
Also his father perhaps, his decision to not bring him into his life.
Every scene in this movie is unforgettable.
Really.
.reallY
lies.
I just keep rewatching them
@General Pershing …
Pretty obvious Jobs would've killed Apple if he stayed on the whole time. His firing, that led to his eventual return, saved Apple.
Agreed. The Steve we knew in his later days wouldn't be the same if he was let to go wild. It sobered him up pretty good.
He learned a fiew bits after he was fired from Apple and started his own company. But it was mostly during the short NEXT Computers era that Jobs really changed a lot. If you watch some of the old documentaries about the formation of the company you'll se that a lot of the old "impossible dead lines" bullshit was carried over by Jobs from Apple to NEXT. Even the small crew he gathered at the begining of the company warned him about those dead lines and the working conditions. When he re-entered in Apple around 1997 he already changed a lot, I think because he didn't want to take responsability for what happened in 1985 but then when he had his own company and full control he failed for almost the exact same reasons, so the "it was the CEOs fault" excuse didn't run no more.
Granted he never fully changed, but an improvement was made on his persona after seeing how his attitude with the people under his control ended up being the MAIN CAUSE behind his demise.
@@PointReflex Maybe he mellowed a bit, people tend to do that with age. But he was still very much the same and for good reason: His "impossible" expectations tended to be spot on. In terms of deadlines: Parkinson's Law is accepted as true by pretty much any experienced project manager. Whether you give a team 6 months or 18 months, the result will be almost identical, the project will go into crunch time either way, etc.
In terms of engineering expectations: Countless of Jobs' "impossible" demands from his engineers turned out to be very much possible just a bit harder to crack.
This is widely known as the RDF: Reality Distortion Field. A term coined by Bud Tribble during the Macintosh development. And while it may be taxing it's an essential part of what made Apple great. And I think most key contributors are quite fond of that - at least in retrospect.
He wasnt fired.
He left on his own.
He needed the experience of doing NeXT (OOP, Unix, Interface Builder, multi-ISA, etc) to do what he later did at Apple the second time around
I don't care if 90-95% of this film never happened (or at least 95% of the dialogue), this is one of my FAVORITE films. THIS and The Social Network are two films that I can watch or just LISTEN to over and over again.
Yup
The biopic is a character study, the movie is called Steve Jobs, not the history of Apple. He really was adopted, neglected his daughter, fired the Apple 2 team, and had some strange habits.
@@AYVYN True, but I never said that any of what you wrote didn't happen nor did I say that "Steve Jobs" was the history of Apple.
The film did receive criticism for being mostly fiction, but like said: don't care. LOVE the screenplay.
@@martinsmartians Try watching The Founder.
@@FilledDude2 YESSS! I saw it!
It was better than I thought it would be.
This scene in particular fascinates me because it portraits clarity after confusion. There are moments in life when things get so clear that one can't help themselves but contemplate its beauty.
Ariel Pirangy
This is basically one big hindsight for both people. They realize each other's intentions. Though it's the most profound for Steve because he comes to the understanding that fighting isn't always the best way of dealing with people. In this scene he actually had an argument where he treated someone as an equal when before he always argued with people he thought inferior. That's why he asks if he's "...done this?"
Ariel Pirangy stop trying so hard fuck you
@@anthonynavarro3970 ?
2:02 "… the beauty of a tensor lamp." = Pixar
“The most inefficient animals on the planet are humans, but a human with a bicycle becomes the most efficient animal. And the right computer will be a bicycle for the mind.” God Why does that make me feel like the invention of personal computing was so bloody poetic, it’s beautiful.
Really puts me in the mindset of what a computer at the time represented to someone like Steve. He saw the inconceivable possibility of the greatest human creation since the wheel.
“Did I do this? Screw it up?”
“Let’s let it go now, it has to be time.”
I love that line so much.
Could you please explain what did he wanted to say ???
@@aniketdubey7363Hey, late reply but sure. If the “he” you’re referring to is Jobs, he’s talking about their fractured relationship, as referenced by what he says next “The things we could have done together”. If you’re referring to John, he’s saying that whoever’s fault it is doesn’t really matter at this point and that it’s best to leave it in the past and let it go.
Jeff Daniels range is incredible. You watch this and forget he was one half of Dumb and Dumber. Brilliant actor!! Criminally underrated
Jeff Daniels didn't start in comedic roles, he's an accomplished actor outside of dumb and dumber. If anything dumb and dumber proves he could play a comedic role perfectly.
@@Tallahassee21 he’s just like John C Reilly.
JCR is one the greatest character actors of the last 30 years. It wasn’t until the mid 2000s that he became a comedic actor.
@@notd0ll109 you know, I never thought about that. But you are spot on.
can we just acknowledge how good the soundtrack in the background is?
I get a "Interstellar" vibe from the soundtrack
Digital Drummer It doesnt. It is actually a space 2001 vibe
I also got an interstellar vibe. They both were unforgettable films for me.
Digital Drummer Funny that you and +Rocket get Interstellar vibes because that happened to me as well. While I was listening to this track, titled "Father (Child)", I had space imagery flowing through my mind. Also coincidental that it's title of the track is reminiscent of the themes in Interstellar as well.
I give you the soul!
“Come in, honey.”
*door opens*
“It’s not ‘honey.’”
I know this is a dramatic film but that part made me laugh.
Fassbender is just phenomenal in everything he has done.
"And what if the computer wasn't in The Right Hands, but in everyone's hands." Pair that with, "They gave me back." Together, these lines amount to a man who wanted everyone to have what he wanted to bring to people, who didn't want to be given back. Amazing writing by Sorkin.
Nicholas Gonzalez
It shows me that Steve believed that this technology was so powerful that to limit it to a select group would be disastrous for society. He knew that trying to restrict the technology wouldn't work for long. Hence, giving it only to the right people was impossible. The only thing to do was to give it to everyone. That way np one has to keep because all men are enlightened.
Hahahah so he made one of the most over priced useless pieces of shit
OOh yeah we're all walking around with his ''powerful technology"
He wanted it not in the right hands, but in everyone's hands, for just $899.
What he wanted was to make piles of money. The rest is fairy tales.
@@pizzarelaguy overpriced, and having unnecessary-price-jacking features?YES. But piece of crap?NO. I've been a Linux guy almost exclusively from 2008, then at March 2019 someone decided to give me a scholarship and a Macbook that's free for me to use and carry around. NOPE, I didn't became a Mac-convert, still a Linux guy as ever, but it gave me chance to see real values of Apple and it's environment that is in multimedia industries, for any other purposes, especially programming/development, go for Linux
@@TunjungUtomo exactly. People have preferences and one product has strengths the others don’t have but also has flaws. I was an Android user before because of customization and freedom then I switch to an iPhone last year cause somebody gifted one to me and I am loving their privacy features but I do miss some features that can only be found in Android. I am still a Windows user because that’s what I grow up with and I dislike the MacOs but that doesn’t stop me from appreciating the progress that M1 made. I prefer Spotify than Apple Music. It is what it is. It’s just my preferences. For people to shame other people for using something and buying something with their own money and acting as if they have a say or as if somebody hurts them every time others don’t use their favorite products is just plain stupid. It’s not their life, you do you.
"Love is just a chemical, we give it meaning by choice" This scene reminded me of this quote.
This movie is written so beautifully, my gosh
Aaron Fucking Sorkin
And it failed at the box office. Why?
@@H.E.M. because theres not much action, it's a movie of pure dialogue and acting. also I dont think it had much advertisement for it.
@@blank7137 The movie was a failure because the public has taste for shit. They don't appreciate what good movies are.
@@jameschristenbury6213 This is hardly a good movie. Its custom made for the masses
Steve: The things we could've done together...
John: ...God, the things we could've done...
A heartbreaking but wholesome closure to the friendship that was...
...is anyone going to talk about the excellent intercuts in this scene?
Absolutely beautiful and brilliant.
Sculley : Hey Jobs you wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world?
Jobs : What?
Sculley : (Playing Windows Opening theme)
actually thats the mac OS start.
@@melquizedec sosumi
The mirrors all over the scene are a great symbol.
I could watch this scene over and over again.. the music, editing, writing, and acting is incredible and works so well together.. Fassbender's expressions and tone make this what it is.. a sad moment when it dawns on Jobs that his neglect, denied paternity, and ultimately "refusal(ed) to love" his daughter is "screwing her(it) up" in the same unfair manner in which his life started.
I just realized Steve Jobs and Moneyball are companion pieces, a piece pushing many pieces up (Moneyball), and many pieces pushing one piece up (Steve Jobs), both characters have daughters that are sidelined, but the juxtaposing, is empathy and apathy, both improving people while neglecting the person
This film and particularly this scene, has such a haunting yet sentimental spirit. Really casts a shadow of tragedy and regret on the life of Steve Jobs whether you loved it hated him. Makes me think, what if he never became who he was and we never got the personal computer or the iPod or the iPhone or Pixar? What if he would have connected with his father? What if he would’ve reconciled with John Sculley? What if he and Woz became close again? What if he was a better father to Lisa? What if he would’ve gotten his surgery when he was supposed to and he would still be alive to this day? So many questions that will never have answers. What a story.
He was a colossal asshole, but a visionary who changed the world. Anyone who denies either truth is kidding themselves. Seems fitting, even inevitable, that the same visionary pride that brought us the iPhone also kept him from getting his cancer treated properly. He had a rare, treatable form of pancreatic cancer. And he tried to treat it by eating freakin’ carrots.
Carrots taste good
"and we never got the personal computer or the iPod or the iPhone or Pix-" - you do realize that with the exception of Pixar, (maybe), all those other things were already around BEFORE Jobs and Apple claimed to have "invented" them, yes?
@@looneyburgmusicyes of course the technology was there. What else do you know that you’d like to share?
@@PrestigeLearningyes which goes hand in hand with the tragedy. Ironic how the very attitude that propelled him to push the envelope with how people use these products is also the same attitude that theoretically ended his life.
As a film geek this is one of my favourite films. It shows Jobs's genius. No genius at computers like Wozniak. Artist + genius salesman.
At the end John realizes the vision Steve has for the Newton: the Bicycle for the Mind is the Iphone. Brilliant scene.
The Macintosh is a bicycle for the mind, and every modern computer is built from its solutions. The Iphone goes further, like an automobile for the mind.
@@Stigvandr Would you mind clarifying what those solutions were? I ask because most of what the Macintosh is credited for was actually inspired by systems made by Xerox PARC, which were in turn inspired by the work of Douglas Engelbert. There's a presentation done by him in 1968 retroactively named "The Mother of all Demos" which demonstrated a mouse based interface, video conferencing, and a windowing system, among other things.
@@ianhamilton350 Well then it seems you know more about this than me. The big thing that the Mac 2 did was 1. It worked, and 2. It sold. A lot.
And through those two things it popularized its solutions, which it does not surprise me was inspired, borrowed or stolen from previous systems.
There is nothing about the original Macitonish that other computers weren't already doing to one degree or another.
What the Macintosh had was Steve Jobs and his Cult of Personality. It had an amazing media campaign built up around it. The Apple 2 was the better computer, and it was more successful over a much longer period of time.
@@ianhamilton350 Thanks for turning me onto that demo. Very fascinating to watch and see the impetus for future systems and ideas
Jeff Daniels deserved at least an oscar nomination
@Daz Ediss There wasn't a bad performance at all in this movie. The cast was top notch. Sucks they didn't get a SAG nomination for Best Ensemble.
Acting was subpar, nothing note worthy.
Seth and Jeff both known for comedy did a great job in this
@@ryans413 Jeff is not known for comedy lmao
You really really need to listen to this movie to fully understand where every detail of this movie at first I didn't understand it but now I get it IT IS AWESOME I ENJOYED THIS MOVIE!!!!
This movie was well scripted , well casted and well acted! It brings on feelings of nostalgia and makes you think "what if".... Steve Jobs RIP!
Imo a tablet is like the ultimate manifestation of the quote “bicycle for your mind”. It’s friendly, very easy to use, extremely powerful and paired with a pencil, It can be a creative tool too.
Jeff Daniels is such a superb actor. Deserves more recognition for his work on many great films.
Fun fact, Jobs and Scully never met after Jobs left apple in 85
Half the stuff in this movie never took place, and the most egregious falsity this movie portrays is the "coming to terms" relationship - when in reality, Steve Jobs and Scully hated each other until Jobs died.
That's what I was thinking too. They never met in person again.
dog guy fuck you
@@anthonynavarro3970 Fuck you and every mall santa that ever looked like you!
Wut no fuck you bloody
Aaron Sorkin is honestly one of the greatest screenwriters of all time.
yes. shame at some point he started to believe his scripts would turn into better movies if they were directed by him too. Jobs was the last great Sorking film because it was directed by a great director instead of a great writer.
Steve Jobs: Did i screw it up
Me: Steve, You're human, not a computer.
Exactly.
You said that to a fictional character based on a real person you never met?
Interesting fact: During the time that Steve Jobs had been a regular at Jandali's restaurant, he actually did not even know that Jandali was his biological father. He found that out later, after his long-lost sister Mona Simpson had tracked down both him and Jandali.
Damn. So Steve didn't know, contrary to the movie?
OhMyBooda well he kinda of was no longer a regular at the restaurant in the movie. But he didn’t know until way after
OhMyBooda Steve never says he knew at the time
Fuck you
Eric Kleefeld fuck you
Even though not looking like jobs, Fassbender killed it in this role
"If you're holding a stylus you can't use the other five that are attached to your wrist." GOOSEBUMPS
Dumb is more like it.
Writing with a stylus is far more natural, and quicker, then tapping out letters with a couple of fingers.
As matter of fact, I just wrote this comment with a stylus. The problem wasn't ever the idea of using a stylus was bad, it was the technology wasn't there in the day of the Newton. Now it is.
@@looneyburgmusic why are you like this
@@AmiliaCaraMia like what?
Telling the truth?
Jobs had one thing going for him - he most likely was the greatest salesman to ever live. He could have most likely convinced his fans to buy bottled air from Apple. But that didn't mean he was right all the time. And in the case of stylus vs. fingers he was dead wrong. He just convinced people he was right.
Cringe.
@@looneyburgmusic I think the answer is: it depends on optimizing an individual's dexterity, coordination, and tactile comfort.
When I got a smartphone for the first time I got a Motorolla because it had a physical keyboard. I was not only used to a physical keyboard because I've been using them since elementary school, but also because something about repeated use of touch screens make my fingers physically uncomfortable (keyboards do not).
If I was older and had not grown up with keyboards, but had instead grown up with penmanship courses in grade school that resulted in me having excellent handwriting then writing with a stylus on a device that can read that handwriting and convert it to text would be an outstanding tool.
My two most favourite movies of all time is this and The Social Network. And both is what you would call just a "talking movie". Man, the magic people can do with wonderful script, acting, directing, cuts, sound design....the meticulous arrangements of film making elements. What a fine dining experience.
As someone said about those movies were in fact action movies, where they changed the bullets, for words, while all the adrenaline, suspense and emotion were keep it.
The writing AND acting AND editing AND score are all completely superb. They're all working in unison here like a perfect engine.
5 minutes into this movie I no longer saw Michael Fassbender, I just saw Steve Jobs. That’s an actor
Michael Fassbender should have won best actor at oscars.
He did
@@antarakmit4114 no he didn’t DiCaprio took it from him for the reverent
@@jimmy2k4o tbh DiCaprio deserved it no less
The Steve Jobs Movie Drinking Game:
Take a drink every time someone says, "It's time."
being adopted and going through a ton of foster homes in the 70s this scene hits a bit different for me than a lot of you.
I bet it does. I never went through it, no idea how it must feel
this is art
Yoshie Everyone knows that. It portrays the characters accurately though.
"He'd probably find a reason to sue me."
Such a heartbreaking line.
He would, wouldn't he?
It's human nature.
Everytime I watch clips of this movie I can only think of Ed Harris' character from The Truman Show.
Because they were both lit from below and wore round glasses?
This was the most moving scene of the film... what is fascinating is that is not only about love, but about vision, friendship, entrepreneurship and believing in your ideas.
This is so well crafted and flawlessly paced. Everything else is so well-married to the dialogue.
Definitely explains a lot about Jobs. He was basically born into an environment with very little love
A movie of conversations... Brilliant
Sorkin is a once in a century talent.
Embrace him while we can.
If you guys ever created something with such passion, Steve acts as a mirror for us. I have to direct a student project, and I feel like Steve at this moment.
This brings tears to my eyes.
That scene...that simple, not over the top, not exaggerated scene where he walks and pick up a newton and accept it, tells so much about his character.. That he is grown, matured and has forgiven.. This movie is brilliant...
“If you’re holding a stylus you cant use the other 5 attached to your wrist” felt like he was foreshadowing what technology was coming, damn this man was a genius
And today, all those years later, the vast majority of people still only use one or two fingers to interact with their phones/tablets...
Or they use a stylus
The right computer IS a bicycle for the mind. 22 years ago I got my first computer it wasn’t a Apple, I just went home after school every day and created different things on it. I now do that as a job.
one of many things shown in the movie which never happened and this scene took me to swallow because they did not have a talk like this. As part of the movie it is however fantastic. The acting of Michael Fassbender and Jeffrey Daniels is ON POINT. Every nuance right. The photography, the setup, the music, the colors even, everything fits. And is important. Every line uttered is important.
if he had turned out to be kind and nice person, people will say he managed to learn his parents and escape the wheel of determinism. if he had turned to be mean and cruel, people will blame it on his parents negligence. why be nice and humane when you can be "successful" and efficient, especially when you can't be bothered by the status quo of "doing the right things"? you could just deflect the nature your personality onto your upbringing.
The fact that you're contemplating how to act at all means you've already forfeited the right to claim that your faults are merely the product of your upbringing.
No matter how much people seem to hate this movie, in time, it will become a cult classic. AMAZING!
Bogdan Ionut Novac haters will be makers of jobs movie and Ashton kutcher
Who hates this movie wtf it’s so good
I am about to put my two week notice in. My boss and I have been doing our thing for 20 years. I picture the last day ending like the end of this scene. “It has to be time.”
Sorkin you are a genius!
"Things we could have done together" reference to the iPhone sheesh
God damn it the music in this movie is so brilliant
What a bunch of amazing human beings they were and some still are
When Steve went to the restraunt he had no clue Jandali was his father.
It was after they found out that he already stopped going.
Imagine eating at a restraunt and you had no clue the owner was your father.
Goes to show Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
If Steve had been raised by his original father. Apple wouldn't exist.
It's really admirable - the wonder and potential these people saw in putting computers in the hands of everyone... then you take one look at social media and you have to ask yourself: where did it all go so wrong...
That was a byproduct popularity tests in high school humans are stupid this requires a computer
Social media. The iPhone didn’t help by massively upping ease of access to the web. Once normies took over the internet it was all destined to suck.
@@suzygirl1843 Maybe globally, buy modernity has done nothing but impoverish the west.
This scene is beautiful.
One of an iconic sence from steve life
This scene was such an amazing one...
This movie was very underrated. It's a wellmade and thorough description of Jobs mentality and characteristic. If he's not so well known and studied.
No it wasnt. This was a very thorough description of what the public thought of Steve and of what Steve inserted as self promoting propaganda.
@@mskidi what's your point?
@@HaiLeQuang That it was the opposite of well made.
These boys can flat out act.
Love this movie. Last scene with his daughter always gets me
4:36 - Rich, college educated and catholic...
For me this is Scully realising, it's me. I'm your father.
That movie came out after the 2013 version and made it disappear in it's shadow forever.
The best scene for every IT enthusiast
Steve Jobs is Magneto!
For some reason I keep coming back to this video every few months. The writing of this scene is beautiful.
I love the way Steve snaps his fingers, turns around and tells why he killed the Newton after having "that" conversation.
Explain what he meant by that plz
I really do hope that Steve really said this. It makes him redeemable in retrospect. Without this type of philosophy, he's really nothing compared to Wozniak
If you're talking about the bicycle for the mind quote, he did really say it:
ruclips.net/video/ob_GX50Za6c/видео.html
Wozniak made a computer. Jobs made a company. Wozniak can’t be compared to jobs because they are both geniuses in there perspective fields.
Woz was the man. Without Woz Jobs is nothing. Of course without Dennis Ritchie they both are garbage.
@@brad4571 Dennis Ritchie and the boys at Bell Labs were such geniuses it’s astonishing
Jobs was a monster when younger, but having kids helps you grow. It helped him be married and grow.
He still exhibited a lot of shitty behavior as a husband and a father according to what I've read. Chrissann's autobiography _A Bite In the Apple_ and Lisa's autobiography _Small Fry_ and Steve's authorized biography by Walt Isaacson, and anecdotes by employees share a lot insight with stories of awful behavior along with his generosity and kindness.
I love this movie
Insane film
5:24 That part right there... What led to the iPhone #10YearsofiPhone
Not really, it's because this guy from microsoft who would hang out with him (he was the husband of his wife's friend) would infuriate him while touting what microsoft was up to. Steve wanted to show him what apple could do.
And they now boast an Apple pencil.
@@amoldhamale3202 because steve is dead
5:37 is what it all comes down to in the end
the right computer with $1000 stand and $700 wheel
Powerful, powerful scene
I wish this scene had really happened in real life.
5:37 Things we could've done together
God the thing's we could've done
kinda signalling the future arrival of the iPhone
Can anyone explain
Amazing acting by all involved. Just incredible work
this film is criminally underappriciated
He'd probably find a way to sue me:(
The saddest part is that steve saw john asa father figure, and spent a lot of time with his real dad without his dad knowing
5:08 I love how Steve's laugh after Sculley accepts the job offer seems like a happy laugh on the surface, but as we know that this is a flashback, it could also be interpreted as an evil laugh and a portrayal of Sculley being haunted by Steve.
Nothing new under the sun even this shall come to pass