Some new movies like "The Big Short" (With Ryan Gossling and Steve Carrel) kinda follow this style and its hilarious. But unfortunately it isn't about technology, instead it's about finance.
@ReaktorLeak Who cares if it was made up? It was thematically accurate to the underlying tensions Jobs and Wozniak had with each other - even Woz said so. With a movie like Jobs, accuracy is less in the moments and more in the allegories.
@@victorkong82 I care, because I read Walter Isaacsons' authorized biography of Jobs and he didnt look like a particularly witty guy when verbally attacked. In fact, the only time there was a similar confrontation it wasnt with Wozniak himself but with his father, who was an engineer himself. 'You built shit' he told Jobs, to which the latter responded by crying like a bitch, which was his most usual response if someone got up in his face. Afterwards, Wozniak took Jobs by the side and promised him that he didnt see things like his father, because Woz' enjoyed the camaraderie and wanted no part in any drama. Fassbender and Rogen unleashing Sorkinisms on each other, had nothing to do with Jobs, Wozniak or the dynamic between them. The TV movie was perfect in just about everything
True story. IBM gathered a special group to create a PC to compite with Apple's Apple II. IBM visited Microsoft to buy an OS from them, Bill Gates told them they only hava a language (Basic) so IBM visited Digital Research and its founder, Gary Kildall, didn't agree with IBM's conditions. So IBM returned to Microsoft and this time Bill Gates said yes. The rest as they say... is log files.
Boca Raton facilities where the IBM PC was developed are still in place (google Boca Raton BRIC) but they don't belong IBM anymore. The story goes they choose Florida for two reasons: To keep the creative team away from the bureaucracy of NY headquarters, and to give the execs in charge an excuse to make trips to Fl (at company expense).
Actually; IBM initially approached Microsoft for CP/M, apparently thinking that they could license CP/M since they made the Apple II card. To its credit, Microsoft pointed IBM’s execs toward DRI (Digital Research) down in California. Gary Kildall ring a bell? CP/M? What happened next has been subject to endless speculation and an urban legend in the tech industry. On the day when IBM showed up to negotiate with DRI, Kildall was delivering some documentation to a client using his private plane, leaving Dorothy (Gary's wife) and the company’s lawyers to hash out the deal. DRI apparently got stuck on the nondisclosure agreement after Kildall returned later in the day, and ultimately the deal came to nothing. Enter stage left...Microsoft and QDOS which became 86-DOS. Bottom line...Microsoft almost wasn't.
MS bought QDOS from Seattle Computer Products who (Tim Patterson) disassembled (stole) CP/M. Suspiciously Patterson was hired soon after by MS. Gates' and Allen's fortunes and reputations were built on lies and theft. RIP Gary Kildall, TANJ in this world my friend.
@@tl8211at that time ibm's mindset was still in the big corporate computer. They have no clue what a pc will be like as bill would have already pictured it.
@Melchi Zedeq: That IBM guy wasn't up on everything, it seems. The ground-floor 8-bit microcomputers were sold by the hardware because their "invisible", under the hood OSs were hard-wired into the chips & circuit-boards, et al, and thus were inseparable from the particular platform, and were different than every other microcomputer, including those made and sold by competitors. Between Jobs at Apple and Gates at Microsoft, that was about to change, although the IBM man didn't see it coming. Whoops, IBM! ruclips.net/video/HP8sofAN4xc/видео.html
This when people freely copied and shared software. Ironically, Bill Gates who benefited from loose enforcement of software copyrights was instrumental in changing the culture of software development from open source to closed source with strict enforcement of copyright
This movie is super underrated. I remember seeing it when I was 13 years old when it came out in 1999 and thinking that it was crazy how advanced computers were then... Here I am in 2021 and am literally working for Apple and facing the reality that this movie is 22 years old.
Profoundly underrated, I agree. One of the best films I've ever seen (say, top 200 out of the 4,000 I've seen), and one of my personal favorites. Just crazy good, and one hell of a great soundtrack, too. And Noah Wyle, OMG. Still the best Jobs performance of them all, and the best casting job.
I remember vividly watching this on TNT… 1999…I was in eighth grade on my gateway computer. He is absolutely right this should be learned in all History.
I had read that it was Gates Sr who advised Bill against selling the software as licensing made more money. It's like a brand making money by allowing others to open a franchise in their name. Gates Sr was a Lawyer and saw the potential of licensing.
This was one of the first movies I watched a year after release that did this pausing in the middle of a scene and the narrator looking at the camera to explain the situation. A lot of the movies that are bio pics or similar type of movies have done this trick. Ther may have been others before but this is the first that I can remember doing it.
I like the bit where Ballmer steps out of the scene and explains to the audience directly, the unfathomable magnitude of this world-changing *trillion* dollar bluff that was pulled off in this modest meeting.
This movie was extremely controversial back in the late 90s as it portrayed Bill Gates and Steve Jobs very negatively…….Steve Wozniak however, says it was the best and closest portrayal of both men that’s ever been made and that was after the newer Steve Jobs movies had come out.
jOBS is the excellently written? Really? We are not talking about the Fassbender one here, we are talking about the Ashton Kutcher one..... That horrible biographical movie that does not even get a 6/10 on imdb. Horrible acted, completely inacurate and over glorifies Steve jobs without showing any of his mistakes.
That all took place in Boca Raton FL right across I95 from the Florida Atlantic University campus. I was there at the time and obviously knew nothing about this. Interesting to have found this out years later.
Paul wasn't at the meeting but Ballmer and O'Rear were. The licensing was more IBM than Gate but both like the idea. They were up for two days and slept at a near by Holiday Inn before returning to Seattle. The tie was bought at a department store and not an airport restroom. They were 30 minutes late for the meeting but blamed it on the plane being late. lol
Funny thing is, Gates in real life suggested IBM talk with Gary Kildall, who did own CP/M operating system. Had Gary been able to broker a deal with IBM, he may have ended up a billionaire, and Gates just another tech guy. It wasn't until Microsoft bought QDOS, from Tim Paterson, and Paul Allen then took that code into MS-DOS, which was then licensed, that Microsoft was really on the go, and the rest is history.
You are wrong This is not the true story Gary kildall did have many talks with IBM about this and they were in constant touch.. Gary was a genius and Bill was a theif
The Fandom Menace they greased some palms and to setup a meeting of this caliber it is not an accident as IBM knew already that Apple had licenced the Palo Alto GUI from Xerox Parc. So this made IBM nervous as Apple could come after them on the business side of desktop computers. However the hilarious side of this was that it as Microsoft who really was targeting IBM ( Microsoft wanted the Software market controlled). Either way this week IBM bought Red Hat for 30+ Billion US. I believe they are once again against the wall bought Red Hat to save their ass.
@The Fandom Menace, I read all your comment and it's seems you're right. Thanks for mentioning the documentary called 'Triumph of the Nerds' and Gary Kildall. I learned so much about history.
I watched the whole movie and I still don't know what role/job Steve Ballmer had at Microsoft. But I have to admit that the movie portrays him very well.
In reality, he was a frigging idiot and a drain on Microsoft after Gates. Bur he was Gates' college buddy. I literally saw an old interview he did scoffing at Apple's iPhone as going nowhere! Talk about lucking out! Now, MS has a very intelligent CEO who saw the value in buying a huge chunk in OpenAI!
@@Kajehart Yes, we all know that legendary video in which Steve Ballmer pokes fun at the iPhone in his typical fashion, and how well his statements and point of view have aged. - Like fresh milk on the radiator. Personally, I much prefer a weak and incompetently run MS than one run by a competent but sly person. - The less MS can leverage its power and exploit its monopolies, the better for all of us. As I said, Steve Ballmer is portrayed as we know him from his public appearances. As a blustering loudmouth. - But what competences he had to be able to work in such high positions at MS is unclear, at least to me, even after watching the film.
As far as I can tell Steve Ballmer was the business manager making sure the company was running smoothly. Even when he was CEO, he was more of a numbers guy than a tech guy. Which might be why the movie just made Ballmer the narrator and loudest guy without going into detail about his actual job at Microsoft.
Ballmer came aboard after graduating Harvard, looks like he got his degree in Applied Mathematics and Economics. Wikipedia also says he went to Stanford but left the MBA program. As a youth he was very good at math.
I heard something wild about this deal back in the 80's. Microsoft didn't just agree to sell IBM licenses for DOS to each computer with DOS installed. They insisted that IBM pay Microsoft the licensing fee for *every PC shipped* regardless of which OS was installed. This gave Microsoft so much revenue compared to their size, which allowed all the development and growth that followed.
@@shubhamo7a the documentary -The main in the Machine pointed out the irony behind that middle finger pic of Jobs. They turned into IBM later on. Shameless Jobs.
So the reason Im able to writes this letter on this site right know is because of that moment. Jesus Christ, why people don't call this the moment of the century is beyond me.
86-DOS, the system Microsoft bought to sell to IBM, was also known as QDOS, which stood for "Quick and dirty operating system". Its amazing how scattershot and made up on the fly the early days of computing were.
Bill Gates was a visionary on one thing - he saw that whoever nailed software licensing first would make huge profits. That he did. Everything else he failed at.
Everything else? Successful marriage, successful raising of children, successful buying a home, successful purchase of vehicles, successful hardware business, successful making of multiple millionaires, successful at creating a corporation that makes practical and highly robust software, etc etc.... There's over a million things he was successful at.
Well, that doesn't count. He's talking about his professional career in tech industry and Gates is generally a failure. What are you trying to say with all those personal achievements of his life? Put that on a lifestyle magazine.
The movie is fake, it's a dramatization, if you read the actual history, IBM was aware they didn't have an operating system because THEY TOLD IBM THAT in their previous meeting where Gates instead sent them to meet Gary Kildall lol. IBM visited Kildall it went wrong for various reasons so they called Gates again and asked if they could arrange for an OS, they never actually had to have one built already (even if they went with Kildall, Kildall would've still had to port CP/M to IBM's pc and add the changes they requested). Microsoft just needed the know-how of how to make an OS, which Microsoft did, they were already developing Xenix at this point (their version of a UNIX operating system) The reason why DOS was purchased was due to IBM not wanting UNIX but rather something more user friendly, and due to time constraints that they needed it done quicker than Microsoft could do from scratch so they went to the guys who had DOS and licensed it, then purchased it outright a few days before the IBM PC launched. They also hired the guy who wrote that DOS, Tim Paterson, and he's the one that helped them re-write it into PC-DOS/MS-DOS (adding some stuff IBM wanted specific to their version of it) he worked for microsoft on and off for many years after this in fact, the last time he worked for them was between 1992 and 1998 i believe since then he went into business for himself The real story ofc wouldn't be a very fun movie, so they turned Jobs into a cult leader and Gates into a conniving evil mastermind lol much more interesting this way for a movie lol
What’s funny is this is maybe half the story. Steve Jobs, to get the idea for what the operating system would look like, would visit Xerox the printing company of all outfits and there he’d have them just SHOW him their prototype OS, which became the basis for all the window-opening home screens we navigate with today. It was a moment of corporate espionage. Was Jobs CIA?
Lots of people seem to think Jobs ripped off Xerox, but Xerox willingly gave Apple the demos in exchange for an opportunity to invest in Apple (by which they benefitted). Xerox didn't license the technology to Apple-the Lisa and Mac teams had to develop all their software from scratch. They didn't use Smalltalk as Xerox did, they wrote their OS in Object Pascal and assembly language. Apple did "poach" some engineers from Xerox PARC to do it. :)
Funny, but not what really happened. IBM approached MS twice. The first time Bill sent them to Gary Kildall, who had invented the first universal OS, but he was away and his wife refused to sign a non disclosure agreement, so IBM turned their back on Gary and when back to Bill. Bill then went and brought the rights to an OS which was copied from Gary's work, and then licensed it to IBM.....DOS stood for "Dirty Operating System", but they change the "Dirty" to "Disk".
wait, but according to your words, the story depicted in the video did happen then, right? IBM approached Kildall first, but after not showing up, they went to Microsoft, who despite not having an OS, still agreed to supply IBM with one.
Although I think he can actually act, I remember him from 'That 70's Show' and how much his character pissed me off, I think that's why you think he can't act. I hate him too.
I still don't really understand why IBM accepted these conditions when it was clear their product could be cloned easily. It's just a missing chunk of critical information in the whole story and it was also obvious that they had options as far as an operating system, it's never really made clear why IBM of all people were dicking around talking to some unknown outfit and accepting conditions like this.
Not really, IBM actually approach Microsoft by mistake in believing that they owned the company Digital Research. At the time, IBM was looking an O.S. that was compatible to the Intel 8088 since IBM PC DOS was inoperable with it. Since Microsoft owned the Z-80 softcard which allowed CP/M's to be run on the Apple 2's. They thought CP/M's were property of Microsoft but in reality that wasn't true. So, Gates and his crew got lucky and b.s. with them a bit by saying they have a disk operating system
That's all relative. IBM and the business world then are nothing compared to the web and the consumer market now. Besides it was Xerox that came up with the GUI adopted from the hyperlinks that Standford Research Institute developed before Gates or Jobs came along. All they did is market someone else's ideas and got credit for it. How soon people forget. Just watch the vid entitled: Mother of all demos. I am in my 50s so i do remember those days.
But you need to take in to account that computers wouldnt be shit without the internet. People like Douglas Engelbart deserve lots of credit for paving the way for computers and the internet.
IBM figured out how to develop a punch card system for the Nazi's to use in thier internment camps but the couldn't figure out how to program thier own machines they built haha yeah right
This scene is so weird, and that's what made this movie so great. It was creative in how it explained things to the audience.
Some new movies like "The Big Short" (With Ryan Gossling and Steve Carrel) kinda follow this style and its hilarious. But unfortunately it isn't about technology, instead it's about finance.
They did this all the time back then. Come on. You don't remember the wonder years?
@@mastershredder2002 Yeah, I watched that show all the time. But I don't remember it being like this. Then again, I was a kid when it aired.
There was no reason to make a Steve jobs movie. This WAS the Steve jobs movie. I wish Hollywood would respect that fact and rerelease it
Talk to TBS. It was a TV movie that they broadcast once. I have it on VHS!
It definitely wasn't just Broadcast, I bought the DVD back in 2010 from Amazon.
The reason was better dialogue, better character arcs, and better conflict. That scene between Jobs and Wozniak in the Steve Jobs movie says it all
@ReaktorLeak Who cares if it was made up? It was thematically accurate to the underlying tensions Jobs and Wozniak had with each other - even Woz said so. With a movie like Jobs, accuracy is less in the moments and more in the allegories.
@@victorkong82 I care, because I read Walter Isaacsons' authorized biography of Jobs and he didnt look like a particularly witty guy when verbally attacked. In fact, the only time there was a similar confrontation it wasnt with Wozniak himself but with his father, who was an engineer himself. 'You built shit' he told Jobs, to which the latter responded by crying like a bitch, which was his most usual response if someone got up in his face. Afterwards, Wozniak took Jobs by the side and promised him that he didnt see things like his father, because Woz' enjoyed the camaraderie and wanted no part in any drama. Fassbender and Rogen unleashing Sorkinisms on each other, had nothing to do with Jobs, Wozniak or the dynamic between them.
The TV movie was perfect in just about everything
True story. IBM gathered a special group to create a PC to compite with Apple's Apple II. IBM visited Microsoft to buy an OS from them, Bill Gates told them they only hava a language (Basic) so IBM visited Digital Research and its founder, Gary Kildall, didn't agree with IBM's conditions. So IBM returned to Microsoft and this time Bill Gates said yes. The rest as they say... is log files.
Boca Raton facilities where the IBM PC was developed are still in place (google Boca Raton BRIC) but they don't belong IBM anymore. The story goes they choose Florida for two reasons: To keep the creative team away from the bureaucracy of NY headquarters, and to give the execs in charge an excuse to make trips to Fl (at company expense).
Actually; IBM initially approached Microsoft for CP/M, apparently thinking that they could license CP/M since they made the Apple II card. To its credit, Microsoft pointed IBM’s execs toward DRI (Digital Research) down in California. Gary Kildall ring a bell? CP/M?
What happened next has been subject to endless speculation and an urban legend in the tech industry.
On the day when IBM showed up to negotiate with DRI, Kildall was delivering some documentation to a client using his private plane, leaving Dorothy (Gary's wife) and the company’s lawyers to hash out the deal. DRI apparently got stuck on the nondisclosure agreement after Kildall returned later in the day, and ultimately the deal came to nothing.
Enter stage left...Microsoft and QDOS which became 86-DOS. Bottom line...Microsoft almost wasn't.
Actually bill gates recommended Kildal
@@ninadganore true
MS bought QDOS from Seattle Computer Products who (Tim Patterson) disassembled (stole) CP/M. Suspiciously Patterson was hired soon after by MS. Gates' and Allen's fortunes and reputations were built on lies and theft. RIP Gary Kildall, TANJ in this world my friend.
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Steve Balmer
*The profit is in the computer, not in the software*....IBM missing the shot for big
@@tl8211at that time ibm's mindset was still in the big corporate computer. They have no clue what a pc will be like as bill would have already pictured it.
@Melchi Zedeq:
That IBM guy wasn't up on everything, it seems. The ground-floor 8-bit microcomputers were sold by the hardware because their "invisible", under the hood OSs were hard-wired into the chips & circuit-boards, et al, and thus were inseparable from the particular platform, and were different than every other microcomputer, including those made and sold by competitors.
Between Jobs at Apple and Gates at Microsoft, that was about to change, although the IBM man didn't see it coming. Whoops, IBM! ruclips.net/video/HP8sofAN4xc/видео.html
Really tell me a business so that i equal to my idol bill gates
This when people freely copied and shared software. Ironically, Bill Gates who benefited from loose enforcement of software copyrights was instrumental in changing the culture of software development from open source to closed source with strict enforcement of copyright
Really in business profit is important any other business it is computer business software
Just read that Paul Allen died today. RIP Paul, whatever people think of Microsoft, you and Bill were world changers.
Paul allen is the reason for bill gates successful
Main supporter of bill gates today bill gates is richest man in the world
Bill is a fraud - sissie
@@warningsigns4526 no he is my idol I want to be like him rich buainessman
@@vijitmathur6949 waiting for the fat lady to sing - and boy is she gonna sing - the pie in his face was just a warm up
It's amazing they found an actor to play Ballmer who was more annoying than Ballmer himself.
I don't think that's possible.
Dude, that was fucking BENDER! John DiMaggio!
Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers!
@@ArchGoodwin OH SHIT WHAT THE FUCK?!
I want a friend like paul allen who support in my business I want to be businessman I'm nothing I want to grow my business
This movie is super underrated. I remember seeing it when I was 13 years old when it came out in 1999 and thinking that it was crazy how advanced computers were then... Here I am in 2021 and am literally working for Apple and facing the reality that this movie is 22 years old.
Profoundly underrated, I agree. One of the best films I've ever seen (say, top 200 out of the 4,000 I've seen), and one of my personal favorites. Just crazy good, and one hell of a great soundtrack, too. And Noah Wyle, OMG. Still the best Jobs performance of them all, and the best casting job.
What’s it like working for Apple now?
Steve Ballmer breaking 4th wall? Sounds legit
The Ballmer guy just nailed it.
That's John DiMaggio, the voice of Bender on Futurama.
Always blows my mind that Steve Balmer voiced Bender
The greatest pitch in the history of business. Brief, Educating, Funny and Effective.
"Sort of? You heard me! Don't tell me sort of, we just told IBM!"
"Sort of..."
lol Great movie.
"sort of" lol
It's so surreal seeing John Dimaggio in this. He does a good job but still.
This was released during the first season of Futurama
I love the effect where everything in the scene pauses except one person who then talks outside the 4th wall
Bender was just as good back in the day as he is today.
I remember vividly watching this on TNT… 1999…I was in eighth grade on my gateway computer.
He is absolutely right this should be learned in all History.
I had read that it was Gates Sr who advised Bill against selling the software as licensing made more money. It's like a brand making money by allowing others to open a franchise in their name. Gates Sr was a Lawyer and saw the potential of licensing.
This should be taught in all the history books
Rest In Peace, Paul
I want friend like Paul Allen who support my dream why I'm not bill gates
"You think you're all that, IBM, but you're not!" Steve Ballmer
This was one of the first movies I watched a year after release that did this pausing in the middle of a scene and the narrator looking at the camera to explain the situation. A lot of the movies that are bio pics or similar type of movies have done this trick. Ther may have been others before but this is the first that I can remember doing it.
The big short is a prime example of this. Both amazing movies
I like the bit where Ballmer steps out of the scene and explains to the audience directly, the unfathomable magnitude of this world-changing *trillion* dollar bluff that was pulled off in this modest meeting.
“We didn’t have anything, not a damn thing!”
This movie was extremely controversial back in the late 90s as it portrayed Bill Gates and Steve Jobs very negatively…….Steve Wozniak however, says it was the best and closest portrayal of both men that’s ever been made and that was after the newer Steve Jobs movies had come out.
Steve Jobs himself said aside from inaccuracies the guy who played him in movie was quite accurate.....they even pranked in Mac World both together
Thansk for uploading ;)
Love the movie
Another one of my favorite scenes in this movie. :)
In fact, this movie right here is what "jOBS" should've been.
What, a poorly-directed made-for-TV movie as opposed to a excellently-written, slick-looking and amazingly acted drama?
jOBS is the excellently written? Really? We are not talking about the Fassbender one here, we are talking about the Ashton Kutcher one..... That horrible biographical movie that does not even get a 6/10 on imdb. Horrible acted, completely inacurate and over glorifies Steve jobs without showing any of his mistakes.
Now thats what i call truely creative story telling. Mesmerising !
It looks like shit
The profit is in the computer, not in the software.... man how that has jumped back and forth.
That all took place in Boca Raton FL right across I95 from the Florida Atlantic University campus. I was there at the time and obviously knew nothing about this. Interesting to have found this out years later.
UCF?! No kidding! I'm an Alumni from 1987!
@@Kajehart what about UCF? UCF is in Orlando.
r.i.p.paul allen
Paul wasn't at the meeting but Ballmer and O'Rear were.
The licensing was more IBM than Gate but both like the idea.
They were up for two days and slept at a near by Holiday Inn before returning to Seattle.
The tie was bought at a department store and not an airport restroom.
They were 30 minutes late for the meeting but blamed it on the plane being late. lol
That's Bender's voice
Funny thing is, Gates in real life suggested IBM talk with Gary Kildall, who did own CP/M operating system. Had Gary been able to broker a deal with IBM, he may have ended up a billionaire, and Gates just another tech guy. It wasn't until Microsoft bought QDOS, from Tim Paterson, and Paul Allen then took that code into MS-DOS, which was then licensed, that Microsoft was really on the go, and the rest is history.
Phil Anderson Bill probably took Paul Allen to his place and killed him with an axe to the jam of “fit to be square”.
Gates became a billionaire, kildall died in a bar fight
Kildall commited the mistake of prioritize his personal life over business.
You are wrong
This is not the true story
Gary kildall did have many talks with IBM about this and they were in constant touch..
Gary was a genius and Bill was a theif
Also IBM came to Microsoft, not the other way around, as is depicted here.
Holy shit.. The editing of this movie is SO far ahead of its time.
His mother arranged this meeting for him because she knew the CEO of IBM through one of their board meetings.
The Fandom Menace lmfao you should check out who Bill gates Mother and Father were. Then you can see the games that made this deal.
The Fandom Menace they greased some palms and to setup a meeting of this caliber it is not an accident as IBM knew already that Apple had licenced the Palo Alto GUI from Xerox Parc. So this made IBM nervous as Apple could come after them on the business side of desktop computers. However the hilarious side of this was that it as Microsoft who really was targeting IBM ( Microsoft wanted the Software market controlled). Either way this week IBM bought Red Hat for 30+ Billion US. I believe they are once again against the wall bought Red Hat to save their ass.
@The Fandom Menace, I read all your comment and it's seems you're right. Thanks for mentioning the documentary called 'Triumph of the Nerds' and Gary Kildall. I learned so much about history.
I watched the whole movie and I still don't know what role/job Steve Ballmer had at Microsoft.
But I have to admit that the movie portrays him very well.
In reality, he was a frigging idiot and a drain on Microsoft after Gates. Bur he was Gates' college buddy. I literally saw an old interview he did scoffing at Apple's iPhone as going nowhere! Talk about lucking out! Now, MS has a very intelligent CEO who saw the value in buying a huge chunk in OpenAI!
@@Kajehart Yes, we all know that legendary video in which Steve Ballmer pokes fun at the iPhone in his typical fashion, and how well his statements and point of view have aged. - Like fresh milk on the radiator.
Personally, I much prefer a weak and incompetently run MS than one run by a competent but sly person. - The less MS can leverage its power and exploit its monopolies, the better for all of us.
As I said, Steve Ballmer is portrayed as we know him from his public appearances. As a blustering loudmouth. - But what competences he had to be able to work in such high positions at MS is unclear, at least to me, even after watching the film.
As far as I can tell Steve Ballmer was the business manager making sure the company was running smoothly. Even when he was CEO, he was more of a numbers guy than a tech guy. Which might be why the movie just made Ballmer the narrator and loudest guy without going into detail about his actual job at Microsoft.
Ballmer came aboard after graduating Harvard, looks like he got his degree in Applied Mathematics and Economics. Wikipedia also says he went to Stanford but left the MBA program. As a youth he was very good at math.
I heard something wild about this deal back in the 80's. Microsoft didn't just agree to sell IBM licenses for DOS to each computer with DOS installed. They insisted that IBM pay Microsoft the licensing fee for *every PC shipped* regardless of which OS was installed. This gave Microsoft so much revenue compared to their size, which allowed all the development and growth that followed.
I watched this movie at least 20 times. It makes me wish I were there in the late 70's early 80's.
Say what you will, but it took balls (and swag!) off the scales to walk into a meeting with IBM with nothing to show for it at that time,
Daniel Ryan it takes more balls to show the middle finger to IBM when they were at their peak u know whom im talking about
Shubham Oza facebook?
@@shubhamo7a the documentary -The main in the Machine pointed out the irony behind that middle finger pic of Jobs. They turned into IBM later on. Shameless Jobs.
One of the greatest movies!
So the reason Im able to writes this letter on this site right know is because of that moment. Jesus Christ, why people don't call this the moment of the century is beyond me.
This movie was amazing! The guy that plays steve jobs made an impersonation of steve in a key note.
The guy who plays Ballmer is the voice of Bender on Futurama
I saw this move on TNT when it premiered in 1999.
This was better than any of the standalone Jobs movies that have come out lately.
IBM was fine with not owning the operating system because they kept getting sued for stealing other people's work.
Hey, it's the guy that voices Bender and Jake the Dog!!!
no
Phillip Bluntsworth yes it is
+Phillip Bluntsworth (BluntsworthTV) it is tho
As well as Schnitzel from Chowder, and Dr Drakken in Kim Possible.
86-DOS, the system Microsoft bought to sell to IBM, was also known as QDOS, which stood for "Quick and dirty operating system". Its amazing how scattershot and made up on the fly the early days of computing were.
Best short-sale ever.
Pirates of Silicon Valley a tnt original movie
Pirates of Silicon Valley 2 - How 'Bill Gates vs Steve Jobs' turned into 'Bill Gates vs The World'
RIP Paul Allen
Bill Gates was a visionary on one thing - he saw that whoever nailed software licensing first would make huge profits. That he did. Everything else he failed at.
Everything else? Successful marriage, successful raising of children, successful buying a home, successful purchase of vehicles, successful hardware business, successful making of multiple millionaires, successful at creating a corporation that makes practical and highly robust software, etc etc.... There's over a million things he was successful at.
Well, that doesn't count. He's talking about his professional career in tech industry and Gates is generally a failure. What are you trying to say with all those personal achievements of his life? Put that on a lifestyle magazine.
manco82 Fuck you... Windows is a great Operating system
@wiselink marque Mostly right. Melinda Gates divorced him. Plus, Apple beat him to the punch with smartphones.
Just all the Microsoft boys in one little car
Man if they could rerelease this in hd it's be awesome.
So much better than that garbage with Fassbender and Seth Rogan.
What is a name of song on the begining?
Pirates of Silicon Valley>Avatar
This film should have been a big hit. But hardly I knew actually heard of or watched this. Crazy shit.
The Police: Synchronicity
I’m thinking Jobs was the lesser of the 2 evils.
Absolutely but if he were still around is hard to tell where he would lean towards...
The movie is fake, it's a dramatization, if you read the actual history, IBM was aware they didn't have an operating system because THEY TOLD IBM THAT in their previous meeting where Gates instead sent them to meet Gary Kildall lol.
IBM visited Kildall it went wrong for various reasons so they called Gates again and asked if they could arrange for an OS, they never actually had to have one built already (even if they went with Kildall, Kildall would've still had to port CP/M to IBM's pc and add the changes they requested).
Microsoft just needed the know-how of how to make an OS, which Microsoft did, they were already developing Xenix at this point (their version of a UNIX operating system)
The reason why DOS was purchased was due to IBM not wanting UNIX but rather something more user friendly, and due to time constraints that they needed it done quicker than Microsoft could do from scratch so they went to the guys who had DOS and licensed it, then purchased it outright a few days before the IBM PC launched.
They also hired the guy who wrote that DOS, Tim Paterson, and he's the one that helped them re-write it into PC-DOS/MS-DOS (adding some stuff IBM wanted specific to their version of it) he worked for microsoft on and off for many years after this in fact, the last time he worked for them was between 1992 and 1998 i believe since then he went into business for himself
The real story ofc wouldn't be a very fun movie, so they turned Jobs into a cult leader and Gates into a conniving evil mastermind lol much more interesting this way for a movie lol
I cannot believe that's Bender
Damn these effects rival Avatar
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Classic!!!!
How did I miss this movie?🤨 I love the movie about the "Con."
So Paul was the MS creator?
Im surprised John Dmaggio was casted here.
What’s funny is this is maybe half the story. Steve Jobs, to get the idea for what the operating system would look like, would visit Xerox the printing company of all outfits and there he’d have them just SHOW him their prototype OS, which became the basis for all the window-opening home screens we navigate with today. It was a moment of corporate espionage. Was Jobs CIA?
Lots of people seem to think Jobs ripped off Xerox, but Xerox willingly gave Apple the demos in exchange for an opportunity to invest in Apple (by which they benefitted). Xerox didn't license the technology to Apple-the Lisa and Mac teams had to develop all their software from scratch. They didn't use Smalltalk as Xerox did, they wrote their OS in Object Pascal and assembly language. Apple did "poach" some engineers from Xerox PARC to do it. :)
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Aw yeah, it's me, Ballmer!
Funny, but not what really happened. IBM approached MS twice. The first time Bill sent them to Gary Kildall, who had invented the first universal OS, but he was away and his wife refused to sign a non disclosure agreement, so IBM turned their back on Gary and when back to Bill. Bill then went and brought the rights to an OS which was copied from Gary's work, and then licensed it to IBM.....DOS stood for "Dirty Operating System", but they change the "Dirty" to "Disk".
wait, but according to your words, the story depicted in the video did happen then, right? IBM approached Kildall first, but after not showing up, they went to Microsoft, who despite not having an OS, still agreed to supply IBM with one.
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Actually Bender did, then he robbed them blind and disappeared....
I wonder how mad the guy who sold bill the os was when all this went down in history.
bananian it was Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products. He would eventually work at Microsoft so I don’t think he suffered as a result.
this movie needs a re-make...take the EXACT same script and just re-shoot it.
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Although I think he can actually act, I remember him from 'That 70's Show' and how much his character pissed me off, I think that's why you think he can't act. I hate him too.
Was the richest person. Beaten by a dude that sells books.
I still don't really understand why IBM accepted these conditions when it was clear their product could be cloned easily. It's just a missing chunk of critical information in the whole story and it was also obvious that they had options as far as an operating system, it's never really made clear why IBM of all people were dicking around talking to some unknown outfit and accepting conditions like this.
Not really, IBM actually approach Microsoft by mistake in believing that they owned the company Digital Research. At the time, IBM was looking an O.S. that was compatible to the Intel 8088 since IBM PC DOS was inoperable with it. Since Microsoft owned the Z-80 softcard which allowed CP/M's to be run on the Apple 2's. They thought CP/M's were property of Microsoft but in reality that wasn't true. So, Gates and his crew got lucky and b.s. with them a bit by saying they have a disk operating system
Never heard of this. Im going to do research on this topic. Thanks.
That's all relative. IBM and the business world then are nothing compared to the web and the consumer market now. Besides it was Xerox that came up with the GUI adopted from the hyperlinks that Standford Research Institute developed before Gates or Jobs came along. All they did is market someone else's ideas and got credit for it. How soon people forget. Just watch the vid entitled: Mother of all demos. I am in my 50s so i do remember those days.
For me money is important
John DiMaggio!!!!
here here??
so angry this got snubbed at the academy awards :// american beauty who?? this ~*FiLm*~ takes the cake
Olivia Brown This was made for TV, so it was ineligible for the Oscars.
The P.C market, as owned by three naked short-sellers.
now now?
But you need to take in to account that computers wouldnt be shit without the internet. People like Douglas Engelbart deserve lots of credit for paving the way for computers and the internet.
this moment is the true origin of microsoft's fortunes and dominance. 🤨
I would like this movie alot more if it weren't for all the cheesy exposition scenes. Wish they would have just let the movie tell it's story.
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what banksters? theyre from ibm..
like now?
sort of..
We need another Bill Gates movie, not no stupid Ashton Kucher as Steve Jobs
IBM went to Taco Bell because those PC's sucked
like here?
NOT A DAMN THING
IBM figured out how to develop a punch card system for the Nazi's to use in thier internment camps but the couldn't figure out how to program thier own machines they built haha yeah right
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