The 383 STROKER Kit Has Arrived... Does It Fit?!
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We're moving forward on the 383 stroker build and in this week's video we walk through the rough process of clearancing the block for the new rotating assembly!
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I would have measured one from the deck of the block, masked it out and done all cylinders the same, then checked. Continuatity
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Is that a Ford courier
😂😂The ketchup bottle/assembly lub fake out is comedy gold, those little touches are why y'all are so entertaining to watch
Yes had me scratching my head , thought it was some new engineering product .
Hienz super assy lube.
All I saw first was Heinz.. then I had to go back to see that did my eyes deceive me 😂😂 Had a laugh, awesome stuff. Love your content, you guys are the best ❤
I have personally seen a ball bearing being reassembled using Masterfoods brand tomato sauce to hold the balls in place. Needs must when the devil drives and all that. Thankfully it was a polymer bearing intended to run in seawater, so we didn't have to find out if tomato sauce is an effective lubricant.
Ah, the good Heinz assembly lube! 😂
It’s so good to see your dad working with you and vice versa. For those of us who didn’t have that, it sets the standard for what kids deserve.
My dad hated that I wasn’t interested in sports that he liked. So he never supported me in my passion for cars which meant I was alone in a one car garage putting my first engine together. With two 60watt drop lights and the door down to keep the snow out, I built that motor for myself and a little for my dad to show him that I don’t need him. If my dad couldn’t derail my love of cars nobody could. That was a hard but valuable lesson for a 13 year old with a full time job.
I never did one thing with my dad growing up. He was in prison so that definitely affected my childhood. I was a grown man when we met. Needless to say, it wasn't the same.
@@wallebo My dad just ignored me and stayed in the house.
@@wallebo That sucks, I’m sorry that’s how you met him.
@@HappyHarryHardon Thanks for your thoughtful reply. It's fine. Everything works out the way it was supposed to work out. I have no regrets.
you can never discount an older professionals attention to detail. this build is gonna rock
Always use ear plugs, as a 43 year old with bad tinnitus I can tell you its not fun. 20 seconds to put them in
I am the exact same age and have the same condition, however my problem came from riding in old fire trucks with open cabs and the siren inches from my head when I started out in my Fire/EMS career and have had tinnitus since I was 23 and it royally sucks.
Idk what causes it, but if i dont use earplugs at work my ears ring like crazy
Wore ear plugs / over ear ppe, got tinnitus from a window air conditioner ... Plus heavy bass from from my youth.
Fellow tinnitus sufferer. Absolutely wear ear plugs or ear muffs all the time. Even mowing.
Got mine from childhood concussions, have no idea what silence is. Fan, TV, music….are your best friend.
Kevin Cameron (Cycle World) has impressed me with how floppy "rigid" parts can be at high revs. It's reassuring to see how much clearance you provide.
Link?
@@neodimium Sorry, I don't have a link. I used to read his articles in Cycle World (on paper!) - he's a master at clearly describing the engineering aspects of high performance engine development. I'm pretty sure his work can be found online.
do u have a link, cheers
(min effort possible here ) weird al
I'm glad you mentioned this. I've been looking for material on that very subject 👍
@@robertwest3093 Kevin Cameron is like no other and his descriptions about material behaviors inside high-strung motorcycle engines will bowl you over.
Please do an old school 383 build. I'd love to see that!
Ditto
I built my 383 back in 97 long before kit's and crates were available. Finding the right block casting was key to avoiding alot of headaches. Engines still in my 80 Firebird after all these years and runs great, so yes I would love to see you folks do an old school 383 build. Thank you for the great content guys.
Same same in 97 , the Vortec head was a new thing and u could buyem from GM assembled for 400 a pair , Edelbrock started making a carbed intake so thats the route i took with my 383 , the new powdered metal rods from GM as well , no need to clear the block but the cam was another matter with shaving down the shoulders on 4 rods.
That motor pulled so hard that ever since i've thought doing a 350 is pointless. Now im playing with a 383 crank in a 305 and ported swirl-port heads for my S10 , can it make 400 lbs torque and knock down 20+MPG ? should be interesting !
Huh, '97 was long before kits and crates were available? PAW was offering 377, 383, 385, 388, long blocks, short blocks and rotating assemblies back in the early '80's. Their catalog was about 2 inches thick and covered everything from Chevy 235 straight sixes to Desoto Hemis, to their Godzilla 514 inch Ford 460 stroker kits. There's no less than 9 different crate and kit suppliers in the random issue of Car Craft from the '80's that I just picked out of my pile, the original RHS, racing head service was a pioneer of the crate revolution ten years or more before '97. Super Shops was another mega catalog that offered the same stuff, they just came along later in the decade, I still have all those catalogs, I wish the prices were like that today, lol.
There were 383 kits way before 97 😂
400 crank, 350 block
@@paulmryglod4802 The 400 crank main journals have to be turned down. It's not a drop in.
Man, you guys' videos really make me miss my Dad. Your "cleaning guy" is so patient, yet knowledgeable, and so humble, and your relationship with him is wonderful to see. I love to see you both problem solving together. Cheers, guys. Keep up these great videos.
I love you guys. I love you sharing not just your knowledge and the projects you work on, but also your relationship. I miss working on projects with my dad. I hope you don't mind me living vicariously through your vids.
You guys have such a pleasant synergy. We need that in this backwards world.
I'm not a mechanic, but I like watching your channel because of the relationship you have with your dad. I too worked with my dad for many years in the electronics business, and over time I saw how his memory started to grow shorter. Eventually his disease overtook him and he wasn't able to remember anything anymore, and eventually passed away a few years ago. I watch your channel and I see my younger days with my dad. Not many people benefit from something their dad has passes down to them. Great work on the block and clearances. I can't wait to see the finished product. God Bless!
Very informative. Always wondered how blocks were clearanced. Nice work.
Never take more than you need to and always a radius with no sharp corners. Yep I think your Dad may have done this before. I for one would like to see a video of the "old school way"...
He’s just done it the old school way.
Well yes I guess he did lol...@@sjv6598
The old block bores looked like someone did a “Sandpaper Hone” … it was a wonder it ran as long as it did
Okay guys, I’m 70 years old, first car 1968 and was a 1957 Chevy followed by 1967 mustang…. We had no computers or gaming systems but we had CARS and boy did we live for them! I heard and read about doing things you guys are doing to engines and dreamed one day…. Lol I think your son is right to let us see old school build as a result! Jus sayin’
Hope you are able to get some video of the line bore and provide details on why it make a difference. I really enjoy watching this series and hope you do a future series using the 400 crank as well. Great work as always!
Wow. Not a mechanic at all. But I grew up reading racing magazines and had seen the phrase 'bored and stroked' many, many times in print, as well as 'blueprinted.' Of course that was before the internet. In two videos, the two of you have illustrated precisely what they were talking about. Very interesting.
You two make a good team and your videos are exceptionally easy to understand, even for this non-mechanic. Will continue to follow this engine build. Thanks.
Heinz my favorite assembly lube......... really helps the burgers and dogs slide down the gullet, LOL! I bet the rubber no drip air seal really helps with the long thin stringers you get from a lot of assembly lubes.
"I put that sh*t on everything!" 🤣
@@Drmcclung It’s a floor wax AND a dessert topping! 😂
Thanks for another great video guys. I’ll say it again… I always learn from every video you post and it comes in handy with my ultra slow hemi build. I just want it to be perfect and a great high horse build. I even bring up things I see on your channel that my machinist hasn’t heard and now I’ve got him watching your channel. I think it’s the best channel out there. Truly. Keep it going guys. Can’t wait for the next one.
Also - your troll game is solid. The Heinz bottle of assembly lube is gonna send the sweaties into a frenzy! Lol.
Lol nah that’s real ketchup 😉
Cool to see the clearance done. The cleaning guy might just be holding back on his knowledge. Love watching the two of you work together. Always enjoyed father son projects with my dad 😊
A comment under another video pointed out that that man must've forgotten more about engines that many have ever learnt and it stuck with me. Such a powerful saying
383 strokers ive done required a notch milled at bottom center of each cylinder bore and a relief at the pan rail. Summit was carrying a dimpled replacement oil pan.
I started my working life as a ground engineer in the high end commercial aircraft industry and had inspectors crawling over everything I did, so I appreciate quality workmanship when I see it. These guys are the real deal on that.
Looks to be a good cruiser /play engine. I had a Pontiac 400 built, it took 3 months. The shop was swamped. To me the good shops are turning work away and or it takes a wile to get you engine done. I don't mind waiting on quality.....
I grew up helping my dad build small blocks. I remember all the work in an old school stroker. Would be great to see you guys do that
9.5:1 CR would be a good safe target. 10:1 is very doable with those aluminum heads and the correct IVC event.
After the block comes back from the line hone, would you show us you measuring the main bearing bores for roundness & straightness?
Greetings from Pueblo. Love seeing you and your dad working together. It's a blessing to have that kind of relationship. The ketchup lube and "what?" jokes made me smile. 😊
great video, making stroker crank fit sbc block is quite a project. one tip for checking cam lobe to con rod clearence is to use nylon tie which is usually .045 thick when rotating assembled shortblock, inserting between moving parts is easier than trying to use feeler gauges i've found. good luck with your project!
You guys handle the comment machinists really well haha.. i'm always blown away at the amount of people that have probably never set foot in a garage that love to give you criticism and advice. Your dad makes a good point you don't have to do this kind of stuff to tractors unless it's a hot rod tractor… I think it's time for the Jim's automotive machine shop pulling team to be born.👍
Assembly Lube by Heinz … Anticipation
I had heard the term “clearance the block” and today, I have the definition. I am long past “the need to know” stage in life but I am learning with every video. Thank you.
Also don’t forget when they do the align hone to torque a oil pump on the back cap it will distort the bore .0005
Looking good guys! Cant wait to see more!
But what about the motor? 😂
Nice job ... just a word of caution. When you finish with the clearance cuts, do go back in with a whizzy wheel and dull the perpendicular edges ... there's no "knife edges" on machined metal ... ever (unless you want stress cracks to appear). Time consuming stuff but necessary. Look forward to more on this build.
i want to use 4.125" crank and 4.110" bore sleeves in a 350 block without block filler going to 5800 rpm. = 438 c.i.
With 4.030" bore would come to 421 c.i. still enough cubes that all the magic happens!
2:05 now im not right bright but i got a dumb question
Whats the difference between a chrysler 383 and a chev 383 crank. Or rods. Or pistons?? 😅
Terrible question i kno2
JIM ,IF YOU EV ER DECIDE TO USE A 425 OLDS BLOCK TO MAKE A 455 MAKE SURE YOU FLY CUT THE PISTONS ,CUZ THE 425 BLOCK IS .060 SHORTER...GREETINGS FROM THE PHILIPPINES
I'm PATIENTLY waiting for the tiny Ketchup bottle I bought JUST for this re-purpose to be empty so i can fill it with assembly lube! Great content ALWAYS fellers, hello from sunny central Flawduh have a great week stay frosty stay blessed!🤙🇺🇸🇷🇺🧂
AIN'T IT JUST AIN'T IT 😜 lols..... I hope you chose the correct brand.
@joehannan1687 - I wasn't paying very close attention and when I glimpsed what I *thought* was a ketchup bottle, I had to rewind. Won't say what I thought at first but it was pretty dumb. My only excuse is that I'm not a mechanic, so please don't roast me.
You two should actually build a hot rod tractor like a Ford diesel or Alice Chamberlain or a Harry Ferguson (1952) or something I think it would be awesome.
It’s great that you guys are trying to keep the CR in the 9 to 1 side. But; you are talking here static compression ratio; there are in the net good formulas to calculate Dynamic Compression Ratio. If you guys try it, you will find that actually, you can run your engine on a higher CR ( static) and get more power whit low octane fuel and at the same time add more reliability to your customer’s engine… saludos!!
Great work !
I hate the sound the grinders make..... reminds me of dentists grinders .... ouchy ! Lol.
i always use silly putty to check crank clearance.
put an 1//8" layer of silly putty over the problem area, rotate the crank past the problem spot nice and slow, and then peel the putty out and check the scraped part for thickness to see the clearance. sometimes shows you something the feeler guage and line of sight cant
I wonder if making counterweights more aerodynamic would be beneficial.
2:17 - It's always eye opening for me to see power tools used to drive in engine bolts. Just shows me how narrow minded training can make you and how times change.
Yes, when I did engines years ago, I used a T bar first, then a torque wrench. The T bar is more sensitive than a power tool, and pretty quick.
It is just for mock up to check rod clearance, probably only 20ft/lb on those nuts. Way faster with a cordless, when it is apart and together 15 times while clearancing. They for sure use a torque wrench when actually assembling.
I have to echo some others' comments here: it's wonderful to watch and listen to the two of you working together. I was cooking my dinner, and your conversation in my ear was just perfectly relaxing.
So the idea is remove no more than needed. Do you edge break the new edges to remove stress risers?
Man I lucked out with this build. I have a block at the machine shop right now getting prepped for almost exactly this motor! A SCAT 383 vortec for my 97 k1500
We still run our 383's every day here in metro Denver and they are very fast. The secret for STREET APPLICATION is 11 to 1 compression with aluminum heads and 91 oct. pump gas.
This is what doesn't work here with our thin air: Big cfm heads, big cams, big carbs. We know as we have tried all those combos. Our 383's actually outrun our 400 smallblocks.
My S10 383 outruns our cammed LS 6.0 S10. Its all about the combination of parts and the application.
I appreciate all of the time, care and concern you Guys put into these projects! I hope your customers do ... and you can bill for all of those hours. True Craftsmanship!! ✌
06:00 Good suggestion. Cleaning guy happy! 😂👍
We used to use that combo in Circle Track street stock racing. We used to hit water while clearencing some blocks. What method do you guys use to cure that? We have epoxed some blocks inside and outside the water jacket area and put that water jacket cement in others. Both seemed to have worked ok. Just curious if there are other methods out there? Love your videos. Thanks
The Scat stroker Rods make clearancing easier I have found.
Nice to see you two working together.
Having the vaccuum really keeps the chips down.
Nice work guys.👍👍
Take care, Ed.
Put a stroker kit in my dodge 360 now a 408 and yes i had to notch the lower cylinder walls
@wilmamcdermott3065 - I can't imagine doing that before the existence of power grinders.
Geez, no wonder it costs so much for this kinda work nice job you guy's !
Nice ! I may sound crazy but the clearancing part is fun and relaxing to me , it’s kinda fun to get in there and make room for everything and try to make things look nice.
I’m digging the hydraulic lift/OSB work bench. Seriously.
New shop still isn’t set up very permanent lol
that looks like some ‘redneck engineering’ , imo
I once clearanced a south-facing block for a north-facing crank and... Well... Let's just say my dog isn't with us any more.
RIP
I did this 1 time and the ARP rod bolts will hit the cam if it is a thumper. More grinding!! cool vid thx
Everytime I see one of these videos I’m always thinking “I’m going to watch the next video right now!” Then I see there’s no 383 videos in recommended and realize it was posted 3 hours ago.
Great stuff! I can’t wait for next video!
Seeing you guys relieving the lower area of the piston bore is reassuring as turning over 6to7 thousand Rpms especially as time starts to wear on components that should give plenty of clearance and make a hell of a screamer without issues. God love ya both.
Reminded me of trying to get an 1800 BMC B engine, bored out to 2.2 litres to accommodate all the new parts including a special crank, 50 years ago!
Over kill ,using a pillar jack as a table!😂
Nice work guys I have been doing these for years I use old bearings and have a crank I use and a rod and pistion
In Canada we use mustard for assembly lube but to each their own!
Maple syrup is too expensive?
@@jonasthemoviePretty sure that’s in the crankcase 😅
I love watching your videos! I usually do the bulk of clearancing on the mill then clean it up with the die grinder. Personally, I like to come back with a 120/220 cartridge roll and clean up all the stress risers and smooth out the casting around the bottom of the bore and the lifter valley and a light polish on the outside faces of the crank, get as much oil returning as possible for high rpm applications. Also, I like to use raised compression height piston so the zero deck leaves 5ish so if it gets rebuilt again switch to std piston still have 5 on the decks to clean up.
Heinz is good stuff . . . but, have you ever tried Kraft Ketchup? It's noticeably better.
I save those squirt bottles to reuse as handy, disposable fluid squirters too.
This is the kinda stuff I like to watch
03:11 That cleaning guy owns a broom with a long handle. 🤣👍 And he knows your Mama! Watch out! Always fun to watch.
Awesome 😎 video... Love the banter between father and son...Miss my Pops....He knew so much, as does yours...
Grinding 400 cranks to 350 mains takes them through the hard layer. A proper striker crank is way better. I mean even a lot of the cheap China knock off stuff today is better than the gm stuff was in the late 70s.
Of course the new stuff is better! That’s what would be fun about an old school build. Comparing the differences!
The ketchup bottle is a great touch :D
Clearance Clarence. Awesome build.
When I get a fresh block for a stroker, I set up a pair and check clearance and then make a grind on all the bottoms, rough cut if you will then recheck all of them. Most times it is fine but occasionally I have to touch up 1 or 2. It goes much faster than doing 1 or 2 at a time. Great video and thanks for taking the time to do it.
Shops like this are rare. A truly vast amount of knowledge and skill setting you apart from other shops. I hear horror stories here in the u.k about shops and re-con engines not lasting. I hope you charge accordingly for such a dedicated and honest service 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Ketchup on the bearings?! WTF???!!! LOL
LMAOOOO you can see it cuts and he has lube on there after. absolutely hilarious LOL
@@heavensector5964 I was cracking up! LMFAO
9:55 witness mark on the bore of the die grinder touching. Was always taught to wait till bits stopped moving before exiting the cut. Like the "it's hot" tip, you only believe it after the first burn.
Looks like it fits too me. Normal grinding..if you don’t want to grind put in a stock stroke crank. Buy a Dart block which will take a 3.875 SCAT crank. This is why a great engine takes time to build. It’s a cliche word “blueprinting”. At $100-150 per hr …I do this myself.
If you're getting paid for what you're doing and you are the professional 😊
please do a old school 383 I have one in my monte carlo and would love to see the work that went into building it
The old phrase "Patience is a virtue" comes to mind...
Camshaft lobe can get really close to con rods in these engines.They call them stumbling blocks for a reason. thanks for sharing.
Ran into that problem years ago with stock 5.7” rods. I think stroker kits now use short rod bolts to clear the cam lobes.
Old school vs modern kit 383 is a great idea! Tedious I'm sure, but probably a great video series.
Another great update on this engine build.
I love your videos. I'm building 383 stroker. And I'd love to see video going through a complete 409 I've got one outta 64 ss impala.only 79k miles but has set out middle field. From tow in off Dallas County.buffalo Missouri. Actually long lane mo. One owner. Record shows black guy went court buffalo had felony warrant and ended up prison 25 to life. Died in prison.well his sister wanted car 💯 restored. If I promise her that. Two things.complete restore and take her and her husband on Sunday drive. Free. I've got it to do. I need all I can get on 409bb
Friends, Can you recommend a good trade school to learn how to machine & rebuild engines? I'm in Eastern PA. Thanks & I love your channel! Matt
Such a nice touch with the rotary files.....beautiful!!
May-zure may-zure...... ah measure! Now I understand.😂 like my grandpa's BAT-TREE
That mousepad is awesome.
Edit: as I was thinking that, your ad came up for them. I just ordered 2. Thanks guys!
EAR PLUGS ARE FOR GIRLS....
Sorry for yelling, I don't hear too well.....
building 427 sbc 4.125x4.00 clearance nightmare rods/ small bs cam/ oil pan/ oil pump what's next?
If this is going to be a burnout motor i definitely wouldn't have gone with an expensive aftermarket Dart block, you wouldn't need really high horsepower, more high RPM than than anything really...a good crankshaft, rods, pistons, hardware, balancing, high flowing heads, good quality cam, lifter, pushrods, valves, springs, roller rockers, retainers and timing chain is where my money would be spent. I would be willing to sacrifice some lift to spin it faster without valve float, it's going to be abused, so i would get good quality parts but not top of the price list stuff and save all that extra money to build two, you will absolutely get much more from two engines than one with slightly higher quality much more expensive parts 😂
I tell you, I wish I was closer to your location but there's a bit too much distance between New Jersey and Colorado XD
I have a 1965 318 A block, Polyhead in desperate need of a full rebuild and modern valve seats.
would make for an interesting video as most people tend to junk the A blocks in favor of LA wedge motors.
Why did you go with a 5.700 rod length instead of 6.0 rods and the appropriate CH pistons?
I seem to remember having to clearance the bottom the cylinder by the cam tunnel too.
Edit: 8:40, I see you got it right after I wrote that!
My guess is that you’ll have to deck .016 after you align hone it.. maybe .018
Did you say scat crank? Not sure what that is. Sorry. I thought a 400 small block crank is used? I'm definately no pro, just curious. Thanks.
@JAMSIONLINE what do you spray your cleaned blocks with to prevent flash rusting?
24:02 I have a SBC block I believe it's 10248880. It has a divot between 3&5. Just curious how much it can be decked by checking divot depth. Or do I scrap the block? Thanks.
Interesting. I did a 383 using a Gen2 Lt1, and there wasn’t much clearance needed at all. I would like to see you do a Gen2, but with HEI distributor. Reverse flow heads should make more power.
I bet you're relieved you're not clearancing for alloy rods 😎
This sort of tedious task is why 'built' engines cost so much more than the sum of their parts - remember that, folks.
The "big" shops, that do a lot of stroker work, will just drop the block into a CNC mill and use pre-programed cutting, but this is an excellent example of what the 'average Joe' can do in his garage.