I feel like Asum Saus has switched loads of this up, I know about loads of the deep stuff but missing some of the early stuff because I sort of joined the scene through asum saus videos
Yeah I made a lot of this Iceberg before I even heard of the AsumSaus channel - I suppose some of these items could be higher now that they have proper, non-forum exposure.
13:20 the rusty chemical smell from the CRT is from Ozone, which is 3 oxygen atom per molecule instead of the standard 2. Ozone is created when electrons or high energy photons come into contact with the O2 oxygen molecules in the air. It's interesting that you'd describe it as rusty because rust is oxidized iron and ozone is oxidized oxygen. Noses are very sophisticated chemical detectors.
I can’t believe I know a couple melee things Toph doesn’t! Missile spawn limit is how samus can only have I think 3 missiles onscreen at any time, and shooting a fourth missile will make the oldest one instantly destruct. Ganon’s second jab is how in earlier versions of melee, if you put a bunny hood on Ganon and slow the game down in training mode (I think), you can see he had a second jab that was abandoned and it has an animation but no hit box. Cool video Toph! It was interesting to hear your perspective as someone who’s been in the community for so long, since I’ve mostly spectated for a long time.
@@MeesterTweester ok, I wasn’t sure about that part. Maybe it just helps you see the second jab for longer instead of it going by really fast. Pretty sure I saw this in the video that I found out about it from. Probably one of B&D’s melee facts videos
I wonder if there is a Sm4sh iceberg because there was a lot of crazy stuff that went on during the game's lifespan like the one dude who got banned from the 3ds online for 136 years
@@andrewfirth9858 that era of the internet in general was so different looking back and I miss it a lot. I'd love to see Brawl history get the attention it deserves, especially with the machinima and newgrounds content from that time that are largely forgotten Fun fact: a Subspace fanfiction was the longest work of literature ever made (with 4.1M words) until last year
@@danb1809 what surpassed the fanfic if you know? i wish false had made the brawl doc but too bad he wasn't a very good person so maybe in the end its better he didnt make the doc
Another reason the Pichu hack worked for so long is that few people have played enough Pichu to notice small changes to frame data and damage and stuff. If someone had tried to hack Fox or any popular character they probably would've noticed much sooner
A lot of the data from this list also came from players who haven’t played since 2008 or earlier - just to gauge what details about the game and community stuck with them. It made feel old too lol
triangle jump explanation is pretty funny- triangle jumping was an old marvel2 tech (super jump forward, airdash diagonal down) and it totally makes sense that FGC heads would've tried to make it a thing in melee too
If I remember correctly Ganon's second jab refers to the fact that he actually was supposed to have a second jab. I saw a video on that I think a Asumsaus one.
Yeah, in version 1.0 I think? If you give him the bunny ears item, he gains a second jab animation. I remember seeing this in one of those "melee is broken" videos as well
Toph the distinct tournament smell is more particular to small locals in college dorms, small shop, etc., NOT big convention centers. Having a local at my friends small ass house with no AC in 90 degree weather, with 10+ CRTs and burning hot wiis and gamecubes, with guys who would have been sweating anyway cause of how tryhard they’re going… the smell was intense. Not gonna lie. I wore thick jeans and a button down cause I thought the house had AC. I was so hot that I gladly put on my friend’s dirty gym clothes that he changed from
Isn't the projared gannondorf challenge the one where you have to beat like 3 99 stock ganondorfs or something like that edit: you just beat a lvl 9 cpu on level 9 handicap on hyrule while you are on lower handicap levels
Before I did my digging to make the Iceberg, I personally underestimated just how many people knew about this - I even had some coworkers who were non-gamers that knew about it. It was one of those things where, if you brought up Melee, someone might say “oh god, _______ have you heard of the Ganondorf Challenge?!” I don’t know why, but this was the case in multiple circles of people who have never spoken. . .
This was such a fun video to watch! I've been playing since the beginning of 2015 and I knew a whole bunch of this but never heard of some of this. Crazy!
It’s the plot armor part of it - yeah, everyone knows about “The Script” as a joke, but this entry implies that he actually is THE protagonist of life. It is a steaming pile of shitpost.
0:54 Wobbling i feel is more you gotta be in the know and the bhole glitch is famous in casual players idk i feel wobbling isnt as funny or cool to people but yea both are p common imo
i remember triangle jumping lol, sex kicks got their name from macD i think, basically because just like an erection, a sex kick, gets weaker the longer its out. For ganons second jab i assumed most players knew that in early builds and even still in the code of the game, ganon was meant to do two jabs just like falcon. they changed this for the one super jab he has now. you can see frame data footage that shows this, however i dont think it has a hitbox cuz it was cut pretty early. '
i never knew that was the reasoning behind the term sex kick that's funny as hell LMAO i thought it was more stuff like the ding dong in S4 where it didnt have a reason
Also I'm pretty sure Isai and Shai drops are different. Isai Dropping is like what you described, but Shai Drops are like instant shield drops. Basically if you're holding right and you shield and immediately roll down the stick, you'll shield drop but the shield never fully activates.
I thought cactuar dash was specifically wavedash back, dash forward, for the purpose of making your forward dash smaller for better positioning or whatever.
I doubt you’ll see this question and I’m pretty sure you’ve already answered this question but how do you pronounce your name? I’ve been pronouncing it like the character from avatar the last airbender
You underestimate the average player/viewer of melee i feel like. Everyone knows about splitting brinstar from when they were playing melee originally and the hyrule jump? That's something we all tried to figure out with jiggly when we first saw the stage. IDK feels like you've been in the community too long to be able to accurately judge it lol
Amsah the Sheik player from Amsterdam. When you get hit by a move with strong horizontal knockback, you tech off the ground and DI/SDI toward your opponent.
I am not crazy! I know he swapped Pichu's weights. I knew it was 55. One before ZeRo's win streak. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the TO desk to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. The fall speed! Are you telling me that a sheik just happens to miss a chaingrab? No! He orchestrated it! PICHU! He ALTERED game files through a MEM CARD! And I played him in bracket! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own tournament! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his gamecube controller off port 4! But not our low tier player! Couldn't be precious low tier player! CHEATING THEM BLIND! And HE gets to move on in bracket? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! You have to stop him- you-
This might be the worst image ever made. Amsah tech is in the deepest tier? the smash documentary is less known than pro Jared ganandorf challenge? I can’t tell if they made it bad on purpose
I know lots more people from outside of the community that know about the ProJared challenge than know about the Smash Documentary. And by all means; if you can make a better Iceberg, please do it - we could certainly use it
“marth is a Martian” is because when you edit Marth textures, his skin names are titled “mars” not marth
Same with his name in the debug menu
Iirc that's his name in Japan
When the Fire Emblem anime was localized to English (before any of the games were) Marth was called Mars
Mars roman god of war reference
I feel like Asum Saus has switched loads of this up, I know about loads of the deep stuff but missing some of the early stuff because I sort of joined the scene through asum saus videos
Yeah I made a lot of this Iceberg before I even heard of the AsumSaus channel - I suppose some of these items could be higher now that they have proper, non-forum exposure.
13:20 the rusty chemical smell from the CRT is from Ozone, which is 3 oxygen atom per molecule instead of the standard 2. Ozone is created when electrons or high energy photons come into contact with the O2 oxygen molecules in the air.
It's interesting that you'd describe it as rusty because rust is oxidized iron and ozone is oxidized oxygen. Noses are very sophisticated chemical detectors.
I can’t believe I know a couple melee things Toph doesn’t!
Missile spawn limit is how samus can only have I think 3 missiles onscreen at any time, and shooting a fourth missile will make the oldest one instantly destruct.
Ganon’s second jab is how in earlier versions of melee, if you put a bunny hood on Ganon and slow the game down in training mode (I think), you can see he had a second jab that was abandoned and it has an animation but no hit box.
Cool video Toph! It was interesting to hear your perspective as someone who’s been in the community for so long, since I’ve mostly spectated for a long time.
these truly are, some deep cuts
@@PurplingYellowthank you, goodnight
I don't think you need to slow it down
@@MeesterTweester ok, I wasn’t sure about that part. Maybe it just helps you see the second jab for longer instead of it going by really fast. Pretty sure I saw this in the video that I found out about it from. Probably one of B&D’s melee facts videos
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The all-messages speedrun is easily the most cursed thing on the list.
Agreed
Not only is one of the dreamland platforms lower than the other, all three are slightly different lengths
Broke: "Blood tastes like iron" - Ping Pong the animation
Woke: "Melee smells like iron" - Toph
atthe bottom is that bond, none and wizzyfan are legit different people
it's true, ive seent them stream individually at the same time
Fox having an infinite on the Geodude's bicep definitely belongs in the iceberg lmao
Yeah that’s going on the next update - definitely deserves it
to be fair he has an infinite on any stage with a wall but yeah add it anyway
why is "sakurai doesn't like competitive melee" at the bottom????
The iceberg should have the legend
"A skilled Roy can beat any Fox"
I wonder if there is a Sm4sh iceberg because there was a lot of crazy stuff that went on during the game's lifespan like the one dude who got banned from the 3ds online for 136 years
i wish there was a brawl iceberg because a lot of brawl history isn't known that well to a lot of the newbies like me
@@andrewfirth9858 that era of the internet in general was so different looking back and I miss it a lot. I'd love to see Brawl history get the attention it deserves, especially with the machinima and newgrounds content from that time that are largely forgotten
Fun fact: a Subspace fanfiction was the longest work of literature ever made (with 4.1M words) until last year
@@danb1809 what surpassed the fanfic if you know? i wish false had made the brawl doc but too bad he wasn't a very good person so maybe in the end its better he didnt make the doc
@@andrewfirth9858 according to google it's some loud house fanfic
@@danb1809 thats LAME AS HELL
Another reason the Pichu hack worked for so long is that few people have played enough Pichu to notice small changes to frame data and damage and stuff. If someone had tried to hack Fox or any popular character they probably would've noticed much sooner
I joined the community in 2008 (god, I feel old) and this video really takes me back with all the crazy stuff from back then. Good stuff!
A lot of the data from this list also came from players who haven’t played since 2008 or earlier - just to gauge what details about the game and community stuck with them. It made feel old too lol
triangle jump explanation is pretty funny- triangle jumping was an old marvel2 tech (super jump forward, airdash diagonal down) and it totally makes sense that FGC heads would've tried to make it a thing in melee too
Toph is so far in the upper echelon of melee that he doesn't have to deal with the stinky smash players. SMH - True top player privilege right here.
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Gonna make a vid about Leffen winning Guilty Gear at Evo? Love all the non-melee related content too
no narcs but uhhh
editing that rn ;)
Toph you keep that blasphemy away from my triangle jumps.
If I remember correctly Ganon's second jab refers to the fact that he actually was supposed to have a second jab. I saw a video on that I think a Asumsaus one.
Yeah, in version 1.0 I think? If you give him the bunny ears item, he gains a second jab animation. I remember seeing this in one of those "melee is broken" videos as well
on version 1.01 of melee i think with a bunny hat on and maybe some other specifications, you can do his second jab
Yeah that's how it is I remember now! You can actually see the hitbox of the jab but it does nothing
As a modder, I can proudly say I’m very very very deep
Hey pigs love ur videos
Toph the distinct tournament smell is more particular to small locals in college dorms, small shop, etc., NOT big convention centers.
Having a local at my friends small ass house with no AC in 90 degree weather, with 10+ CRTs and burning hot wiis and gamecubes, with guys who would have been sweating anyway cause of how tryhard they’re going… the smell was intense. Not gonna lie.
I wore thick jeans and a button down cause I thought the house had AC. I was so hot that I gladly put on my friend’s dirty gym clothes that he changed from
what about the korean melee release?
Isn't the projared gannondorf challenge the one where you have to beat like 3 99 stock ganondorfs or something like that
edit: you just beat a lvl 9 cpu on level 9 handicap on hyrule while you are on lower handicap levels
Before I did my digging to make the Iceberg, I personally underestimated just how many people knew about this - I even had some coworkers who were non-gamers that knew about it. It was one of those things where, if you brought up Melee, someone might say “oh god, _______ have you heard of the Ganondorf Challenge?!” I don’t know why, but this was the case in multiple circles of people who have never spoken. . .
@@Lynx11364 Yeah I remember it being bigger but now when I look it up its mainly just smashboards posts and only a handful on youtube
This was such a fun video to watch! I've been playing since the beginning of 2015 and I knew a whole bunch of this but never heard of some of this. Crazy!
How is mango being the protagonist in the deepest tier?
An hbox fan who, in the darkest place in his heart, learned of the truth, but will never admit it, so it stays below the iceberg.
Kappa
It’s the plot armor part of it - yeah, everyone knows about “The Script” as a joke, but this entry implies that he actually is THE protagonist of life. It is a steaming pile of shitpost.
melee lore videos is a sick idea
Final Smashes were actually meant to debut in smash 64 if I remember correctly.
Yeah that’s correct - Toph is also using an outdated version that didn’t have this point corrected
0:54 Wobbling i feel is more you gotta be in the know and the bhole glitch is famous in casual players idk i feel wobbling isnt as funny or cool to people but yea both are p common imo
Where's the one that claim Hungrybox is a alt universe Mango?
Oh is that a thing? I might have to put that on the Iceberg if I can find more info on it. Lol I love community memes like that
I like how toph suddenly turns into jonsey when he talks about Falco master.
I have no idea what the haunted ganondorf trophy is.
Dreamland being asymmetrical became relevant to me when I was trying to practice zelda teleport cancels on the side plats lol.
Isn't the Falco feathers a reference to that commentary moment?
We needed this
b&d games is melting this iceberg
How is mango is the protagonist at THE BOTTOM. Literally everyone likes mango.
I was flabbergasted as well, Mango is Melee and it makes the scene so fun for it.
it’s a reference to the script probably
@@TheHandyMan101 yea it would make more sense if it said mango has the plot armor
That’s the mango
@@TheHandyMan101 exactly
Ganondorf has a second jab when wearing bunny hood but I think only in old versions of melee
Everyone has a unique entrance animation in every game except Melee. It's just Melee where they're all the same lol
I need a break from getting my ass beat by foxes online, always nice to have some Toph content
The Starcraft Brood War scene is similarly filled with lore. I miss the reign of the five dragons (five Protoss gods)
more melee lore videos please
i remember triangle jumping lol, sex kicks got their name from macD i think, basically because just like an erection, a sex kick, gets weaker the longer its out.
For ganons second jab i assumed most players knew that in early builds and even still in the code of the game, ganon was meant to do two jabs just like falcon. they changed this for the one super jab he has now. you can see frame data footage that shows this, however i dont think it has a hitbox cuz it was cut pretty early.
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i never knew that was the reasoning behind the term sex kick that's funny as hell LMAO i thought it was more stuff like the ding dong in S4 where it didnt have a reason
Right off the bat, I didn't know about L or R for secret music lmao
Also I'm pretty sure Isai and Shai drops are different. Isai Dropping is like what you described, but Shai Drops are like instant shield drops. Basically if you're holding right and you shield and immediately roll down the stick, you'll shield drop but the shield never fully activates.
I thought cactuar dash was specifically wavedash back, dash forward, for the purpose of making your forward dash smaller for better positioning or whatever.
No its crouch to cancel run
Lesser known lore is a great video topic for sure
That list was so wrong when it came to how publicly known things are.
Lore vids would be so sick
There is more than 1 Dedede on Dreamland
This is true
Yess please!!!! I'd really like to see lore videos
I think the "Link is Top Tier" is referencing the old April Fools' Tier List from around 2006
Why yes, that is part of it
What's xyb victory screen?
Depending on which button you hold right at the end of the game you get to choose your victory screen (obv not applicable on slippi)
Keen for loremaster Toph.
Been waiting for this one ☝️
Tournaments smell like a Hollywood Rental video
So glad Double Dedede could make the list
toph looks tired :( hopefully you've been resting well
I hope my Iceberg didn’t break the poor man
Awesomesause ( I now it’s missspelled) video we’re perfect for learning about a lot of these things
Great video
Dude, yes.
What a time to be a green falcon main
Wtf is the Westballz/M2k crack...pipe???
only know isai dropping cuz of the marth guru site thing
what a great website
@@dophinprincess for sure, i wish it was still continually updated but the catalog of tech to learn and tips is so great despite that
i'm pretty sure CRT displays ionize the air no BS and it has a smell
Pretty happy how i did cause im a slippi player. Knew quite a bit into the bottom
Fighting for the 70% of 40 dollars should be there especially after summit lol
They forgot about falcomaster3000
wish you would have just explained every entry tbh
Blood tastes like iron.
Thanks for invterviewing me! great video! love the channel and the great melee anime
2:07 LMAO people just call everything racist now is it? why tf is Vudu dash racist?? its named after the guy who started it--VUDUJIN
Lmao I love iceberg videos
Haha goes deep enough to the topic of melee commentators refusing to talk about jisu haha
haahha look a sack of shit with a lack of conscience saying they are okay with zero killing himself hahahahha
so good
I doubt you’ll see this question and I’m pretty sure you’ve already answered this question but how do you pronounce your name? I’ve been pronouncing it like the character from avatar the last airbender
toef not tawf
Melee lore. Kreygasm
You underestimate the average player/viewer of melee i feel like. Everyone knows about splitting brinstar from when they were playing melee originally and the hyrule jump? That's something we all tried to figure out with jiggly when we first saw the stage. IDK feels like you've been in the community too long to be able to accurately judge it lol
Yes, thank you for saying that. Sincerely: the Iceberg’s creator.
I thought amsa tech was fron amsa the yoshi.
Way to not say where it came from
Amsah the Sheik player from Amsterdam. When you get hit by a move with strong horizontal knockback, you tech off the ground and DI/SDI toward your opponent.
I am not crazy! I know he swapped Pichu's weights. I knew it was 55. One before ZeRo's win streak. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the TO desk to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. The fall speed! Are you telling me that a sheik just happens to miss a chaingrab? No! He orchestrated it! PICHU! He ALTERED game files through a MEM CARD! And I played him in bracket! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own tournament! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his gamecube controller off port 4! But not our low tier player! Couldn't be precious low tier player! CHEATING THEM BLIND! And HE gets to move on in bracket? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! You have to stop him- you-
Or you could just comment like a normal person.
truly blessed post
Leff and spacies propaganda def at the bottom
This might be the worst image ever made. Amsah tech is in the deepest tier? the smash documentary is less known than pro Jared ganandorf challenge? I can’t tell if they made it bad on purpose
I know lots more people from outside of the community that know about the ProJared challenge than know about the Smash Documentary. And by all means; if you can make a better Iceberg, please do it - we could certainly use it
Wow, that iceberg is bad
this list sucks
Good to know - thanks for the feedback