Best review I've seen so far. Tony plays very much like I do, which is helpful. Although I fear he's a bit better! I'm heavily invested in Nord boards, but this Nord Grand seems like a serious step up for quieter (and more artistic) acoustic-level stuff. If I'm playing electric, all the nuance would be lost. I now have this one on my bucket list.
There may have been a time when Kawai was an ostensible competitor to Clavia. However, since it would seem that the days of Kawai manufacturing synthesizers is well behind us, it is decent of them to collaborate with Clavia in the design of this model. I can just imagine how quick I would be to order one of these, if I didn’t already have a more than suitable 88-note keyboard. First and foremost after its features, I love the flat surface next to the front panel, which looks ideal for mounting any number of portable instruments on top of it. That is one of the reasons why I have long fantasized owning a Rhodes 88 Stage. Up to now, the closest I myself have come to owning a digital piano is the aforementioned model, the S90XS, which is a synthesizer with a digital piano keyboard attached. 12:17 total Robbie Buchanan!
Oooops! I just played this video back again and the sound is reversed. The bass keys are playing on the right channel. Flip your headphones around and it sounds better! Tony... Go to your room. :) I bet your people panned the channels incorrectly in the DAW. It's an easy mistake to make. At least that's what it sounds like to me. I heard it while you were playing the Royal Grand 3d in the upper registers at 4:00.
Tony; I always love the way you capture your digital pianos as you demo. Would you please un-veil and disclose the recording path your useing. For example RU going directly out the back of the new "NORD GRAND" into a great DI box, and then perhaps a great pre-amp (at what settings?) before hitting your DAW? You know if you are sweeting up the sound, I may want to buy a few of these periperals when I'm at Bonners right?
Great review Tony and very well presented, lovely playing too. I love the sounds of the Nord Grand; I'm debating whether to get the MP11 S E or the Roland 2000 but now you've put a spanner in the works. It's a shame the Nord looks so awful, like a sideboard my Nan had vases on, I'm not sure I could live with the way it looks. Are there any other recommendations for the £2000 mark?
One issue that was never mentioned is the new sloping control panel. A lot of other reviews are saying it is too easy to accidentally hit a button because the controls are too close to the keys. It must be a real problem otherwise Nord would not have included a lock function. I wish they had just stuck to the original format of controls on top, I prefer the classic Nord look, although it will still need to be slightly taller than usual to accomodate the new action.
Error 2:43 RM action is not on the MP11 (in fact it's GF2 Kawai's latest and top key action for digitals), however RM3 II is found on the VPC1 and it's regarded within the best actions for stage pianos.
The action in the MP11 is actually GF, not GF2. If I'm not wrong, as of now, the GF2 is only available in console format. But both actions are very similar, I think.
@@VinarcoKie you're right, was just rushing and didn't pay attention to the detail. However, there're next not no differences between GF and GF2 (as commented on forums), and despite being a step below the GF2, it's still way better than the rest of (more than decent) actions by Kawai
I have played the Kawai MP11SE, MP7SE and Piano 4. The MP7SE's keybed is very, very good, the MP11SE is heaven ! The Piano 4 is not so good, at least, I don't like it. The Grand has the same keybed as the MP7SE, which is very good, but not on the same level as the MP11SE. I know Nord has customized the action on the Grand, plus you've got access to Nord's library, but the Grand almost costs three times as much as the MP7SE. If Nord had used the Grand Feel action, I might have forked out the extra cash and gone for the Grand instead of the MP11SE. You can always add sounds, by adding a second tier, or with a sound module, or an iPad, but you can't swap out the keybed. Don't get me wrong, I like the Kawai RH3 action a lot, but I just fell in love with the Grand Feel action... As for the weight, I seldom gig, if ever, so it's not an issue for me. Still, the Grand is a compromise in my eyes.
Hi friend, and How did you compare the SE version with the classical MP7, the Roland RD2000/FP90 and Yamaha CP88/P515 in key action and the sound connection!... Thanks!...
Hi Vadim, thanks for answer, could you explain a bit more, please give me a more detailed response about why did you prefer the plastic over the woodens Kawai keys..., IMHO, i prefer even the older RHII over RHIII, for a more confortable key action for play all sounds, are you agree with me?, are you compared both key actions RHII vs RHIII?. Are you tried the Yamaha NWX too?...
@@VadimShinnik Ok Vadim, but i think RH2 is more versatile and responsive for non piano sounds, RH3 is a bit heavier but more bouncy and less faster due counterweights, is my feeling, please tell me your experience!...
I am a profesional pianist, gigging mainly jazz but sometimes I like to practice classical music (Bach, Chopin Etudes...) to keep my technique. Now my question is if Nord Grand is a good instrument to practice on all that stuff?
Nice video. The Kawai MP11SE has the "Grand Feel" wood key action...not the RM3 as you mentioned in this video. RM3 was in the older MP10 and currently in the VPC-1...but you knew that I am sure...just a momentary memory slip, yes? :). I enjoy watching your videos and listening to you play music.
I have just ordered mine~I am mostly a classical pianist and teacher, play some gigs also and used to take my old Korg DP to those, before I had long term church jobs. Is the music RACK they make usable on this instrument? I will figure something out if need be, but I use music a lot~I suppose I could buy an ipad and set it up, now that I am leaping into the 21st century. Great demo!
Good job. Just wondering if this is possible to add to your digital piano reviews, the noise off the keyboard to people listening nearby while you use the headphones. I bought a new CLP-775 and the noise drives my wife nuts. She can hear it down thru the floor downstairs.
Hi Tony and friends, please tell me which key action and finger to sound connection did you prefer in order of preference between: Roland FP90, Kawai ES8, Yamaha P515 and new Casio PX-S3000. Thanks!...
I don't know about replace, but it has large benefits. For example, no need to mic the instrument, no need to keep tuning the instrument, can listen through headphones, and portability.
Well, actually it is not the RH III action. It's a kind of modified version of the RH III specifically built for the Nord Grand. The RH III can be found in the MP7 SE. When it comes to the NG action...huge disappointment. As far as I'm concerned that keybed is unacceptable for that prize segment. Nord Grand can be found for 3,000e in Europe. Too soft, awful texture, noisy and plasticky. Good responsiveness though. The RD 2000 action is heavier but overall quite good. When it comes to the sound, the Nord Ground sounds gorgeous, splendid. The RD2000 requires more tweaking but it's a good competitor considering its current prize in the market.
Yamaha nu1x für example. They really put the mechanics of their grand piano into their e piano. For more information just Google. Kaiwa has also one model. Sound may come down to taste. I like the Yamaha a bit more.
The white grand sounds really nice. Does anyone know if there's an option to layer the strings up to a certain key while retaining the whole piano in dual mode? My old RD800 was able to do this and it was a really nice feature. I don't like the strings doubling every high note of the piano; just sounds tacky.
You can indeed split the keyboard, but I can't yet find a way to layer strings with piano on only the lower registers of the keyboard. I don't think this is possible at the moment.
Hi Paul, please which key action and finger to sound connection did you prefer in order of preference between: Roland FP90, Kawai ES8, Yamaha P515 and new Casio PX-S3000. Thanks!...
My only problem is that it is a stage piano at heart, meaning there's no way to appreciate the beautiful sound without EXTERNAL monitors etc. I'm torn between buying this and a high end digital kawai piano that has speakers inside a piano body, hmm..
Looks and sounds amazing ! However, it seems like you would get much more with the Kawai MP 7 SE for almost $2,000 less. I believe the Kawai has an on-board digital recorder with unlimited overdubs, 256 voices, 100 rhythm patterns, the ability to layer 3 different voices, 256 note polyphony, and the same action as the Nord Grand. IMHO, the Kawai Shigeru Grand Piano on the MP 7 SE is at least comparable to the Nord White Piano. Besides downloading various sounds from Nord, what are the advantages of the Nord Grand? What do the rest of you think?
Jazzvent, I have owned 20 digital pianos. Including MP11se & MP7se, V-Piano, Avant Grande N3, Dexibell S9, P500, CP1, CP4, All the Rolands, blah blah..... Currently a KORG Grand Stage. Your right about the KAWAI being a bigger bang for the buck especially in the zoning and controller department which you barely mentioned.. And YES Kawai did a nice job with Kawai Shigeru sampling. But the NORD/KAWAI action called officially R-N triple sensor integrated with the Nord velocity curves and in particular this new WHITE sample is just blossuming with overtones, resonance and realism. If your recording and your an accomplished player it will just sound about 24% better. I own a 90k C7e in an amazing studio space. A guy traveled 850 miles to record on it last nite. It's a great sound with 414's.... But my next recording will be with the NORD GRAND..... There is simply enough detail in the NG to make the difference. And the fact that NORD is offering samples like the "WHITE" every so often (FREE) is worth it in my opinion. I make my living solely as a pianist/composer/engineer etc..... Lastly, It's one thing to have an opinion from your practice room, living room, and it's another when your opinion comes from the stage as your dollars do. BOTTOM line is you will see the difference in bookings, recordings, and audience reactions. But like everything in life, your gonna have to work it. The MP7se is probably the best bang for the buck comprehensively. NORD is just combining details in a way that just makes a compelling abd discernable difference.
@Scars Stiches Mr. Scars; Simply I like what I hear, ( I could end my communication right there Scars) to me it's musical and expressive... Whatever the sampler and programmers are doing at NORD or with NORD, they are doing it right, ( to my ears) and if you just look at the numbers,(300mb) they are doing it efficiently. Having owned the KAWAI MP7se and MP11se I have great idea and better yet, tons of experience of useing their actions to create compelling music. I have played well over 15,000 gigs in Dallas TX since 1983 and have used all 20 of those digital pianos I have owned (except the YAMAHA Avant Grand) with a least 20 different sound systems from "time aligned" to all the QSC K series speakers on those gigs. I would say compare a master recording to an MP3. While lacking in detail most of what you need is there. For me Mr. Scars bottom line is how does it sound and how does it respond to my touch, velocity and weight..... When I get mine I'll be posting some videos. That pianist in Sweden "Simon" whom bought his NORD Grand last tuesday, and whom has posted a video which is in the top 3, has an extremely modest DAW set up, uses cheap HOSA cables but is extremely mature in his musicianship, did a very good job of demoing. I hear everything I want or need to hear Scars. Now if there is anything that bothers me, it is the chorusing (out of tuneness) in the very upper range. If we rant about anything to NORD it should be just that. Fix the tuning.... It is not neccessary to "build in ", leave. or sample that kind of imperfection, when you have done such a great job with the rest of the piano. I can only tell you what I experience Scars. Now when I'm not playing gigs, and composing-- I am engineering both audio and video at my studio ..Which is a Russ Berger design. (Look him up) To keep my (1984) YAMAHA C7e in perfect condition for pianists whom need the "real thing".... I have spent well over $25,000 in maintanence. That's alot of tuning Scars..... I know I can create compelling performances and recordings useing the NORD GRAND..... (even if they don't fix the upper register chorusing)..... So that is what I think.....And $3,500 is not alot to pay ( again based on my experience) when once or twice a year youll get "FREE" acess to new pianos from NORD downloads.
@@kenboome864 Or you can get a deal on Nord 3 piano and buy a VPC 1 Kawai.Get a great keybed for home and still be portable,in the same budget.And buy from both brands.Deal for all parts.
@@kenboome864 Hello. I'm studying piano and i need a keyboard close to an acustic piano. I read your remarks about Nord Grand and under your expertise point of view what is your preference of the following options? 1) MP11SE - wood Keybed - a good midi controller to play stunning VST pianos from a PC. Flexible MIDI zones. New sounds can not be uploaded to the keyboard but with virtual instruments in a PC you can get stunning instruments. You can record MP3 in a USB and XLR professional connections. 2) NORD Grand : nice sounds but 2Gb of memory currently is not so much ... good VST instruments uses samples that take more than 15Gb in a PC (not cheap of course). Keybed still made of plastic. Is an expensive instrument taking into account the features it offers. 3) Korg GrandStage. Nice piano sounds. keyboard still made of plastic. 4) KORG KRONOS 2 88 is incredible (flexible, KARMA, SSD, etc) but keyboard still made of plastic and curently i don't know if has any sense to have a sequencer inside the keyboard (ok it is a workstation for productipon/composers) when you get incredible production/sequencer software in the PC (Ableton, Pro Tools, Cubase, FT Loops, etc). It's not easy for me to make up my mind because i haven't had the chance to play the NORD Grand. It's too new and nobody has stock to play it in a showroom. Did you have the chance? If so what your opinion compared with MP11SE ? Thanks in advance.
@@SantiagoMaillo Santiago; You are definitely on the right track. My answer will reflect on your desire to keep refining your classical piano technique and the best educated purchase for those purposes. ( Including composition) #1.) MP11se is currently the alpha-omega controller with samples at a price that nobody can touch. Try to purchase one used, as there is very little one could do to damage it, because KAWAI has built it like a tank. Set that instrument up with some nice studio monitors and a very small sub and you will have everything you need internally within the instrument, including recording, metrenome etc, to master your classical piano studies.. #2.) Build or have built a custom PC for your DAW... I would use Cubase as their Music manuscript program DORICO ( developed by Daniel Spreadbury and old Sibelius team) will become the defacto music scoring program. ( Works incredibly within PC/MAC and import/export midi files via cubase etc and XML from Sibelius & Finale. And of course STEINBERG invented VST so you know all the programming for all the VST samples will work and be accurate etc. #3.) If you have a little extra $$ then you have to look at YAMAHA's N1 and N2 ( not N3 --to big) as your controller. Just a little better than KAWAI as it is basically the action out of C7 pianos in a digital. ( I believe they are useing that super midi curves with 1000s of resolution points for velocity. There are a ton of classical pianists using that controller with PIANO TEQ and all the other great sample packages you are talking about for piano. GOOGLE that, to hear some amazing performances ...... #4.) The MP7se still dollar for dollar and bang for the buck woukld make a better gig piano.... Weight is the same as the NORD GRAND as are the dimensions "almost", that should tell you alot. QSC CP8 speakers are currently the best for live performing on a budget. I currently am performing on the KORG grandstage ( #20) and will probably sell it at a huge discount for the NORD GRAND.... NORD GRAND has a some out of tune samples in it in upper range. That really bothers me, I hope NORD fixes that!.. I have the same problem you do, in that in Dallas TX we probably won't see a a NORD grand until October to demo. I would definely try before you buy. That instrument won't give you back the weight/balance your looking for in your classical piano advancement and study as the MP11se and N1/N2 will. #5.) The experience a mature pianist has developed as ar as weight/balance from training conditioning transfers over to lower weight instruments like NORD grand. But if you haven't developed it, firstly on a concert grand thru correct practice there is nothing in one's physiology that gets conditioned.( for advanced classical study and performance, It ain't going to be there)) Not everybody cares or needs to care about that, right?. ... I wouldn't change a thing your thinking except if you have the budget, check out using the N1/N2 as controller.. If not the MP11se will make a wonderful instrument for you to keep developing and being super productive upon the standards you have talked about here !! Onward ! KB
@@jonos138 I have heard it has the same as the Kawai MP7SE - Yet modified - see this info from Kawai: ACTION INSTRUMENTS GF CS10, CS7, CP1, CP2, MP11, MP11SE GFII CA97, CA67, CS8, CS11, CA78, CA98 RM3II VPC1 AWA PROII CE220 RHII MP7, CS4, CP3 RHIII CN25, CN35, ES8, CN27, CN37, MP7SE RHC ES110
I have the older MP11 and the key Teflon/felt pieces on the backside of my action have started to fail. The Teflon has started to move and causes my action to be upwards of 61-62 grams on middle "C". I am not sure that the MP11SE had this defect updated to avoid this situation. I shouldn't have to open up my MP11 and replace the Teflon with a better solution that has been posted on YT already. It's always something, it seems.
The White Grand played on the NG: It plays and sounds just like an acoustic piano does. I have a Steinway "A" that is a perfect piano to play on and I enjoy my NG just as much with headphones. It is great being able to practice on the NG and then play on my Steinway at full volume. The transition between DP and AP has zero issues for me. YMMV. PS: The MP7SE shares the same action as the NG so they feel very similar.
@@br_obert two very different instruments, it depends on what you're looking for. If you are looking for a traditional stage piano, replete with traditional action ect, Nord Grand If you are looking for more modern production practices, I'd say the Nord Stage 3 thing is a beast (I like the compact because of the physical draw bars, but not as piano-y in terms of action (not a bad thing i'd say loll)
@@johnnulf624 In every aspect. Only the Bösendorfer can compete with the Fazioli. The overall sound of the White Grand is sterile and sharp-cut and the Royal 3D has certain notes that sound very unreal and artificial when played isolated. The Italian grand is not perfect but the best Nord sample so far. The Velvet and the Bright Grand cannot compete either.
Planet Dog the action is way different. To me the piano 4 felt slower and stickier while the Nord grand felt faster and more springy. Neither is too close to a real grand weighting but I’d say the Nord grand is very playable
you had me looking for my credit card up til the White Piano Who need tarted up fender rhodes - Blyetch Wanted to get away from all the spaceship nopise BS in my Yam motif 8 Nice basic piano tho
Nord is nice but I agree with the comment they are over priced. The Nord is priced around £2500 with the original Kawai RH action by Kawai. Now consider the Kawai mp7se, which uses RH but the newer RH3 action and the piano sounds are excellent, and it's £1000 less than the nord. For less than the price of a Nord at around £2000 (saving £500) you could get the MP11se Kawai flagship model with the even better Grand Feel action, and they are all wooden Keys. It's a no brainer really. Why would you pay more for a Nord with lower specs, when you can get a higher spec Kawai for less than the price of a Nord.
Seems a fair comment.....however the latest digital pianos with loads of lights and digital display screens will look really dated in 10 years. Where as this Nord is different...very recognisable and will always have that classic retro/ antique vibe for ever. Unlike most other stage pianos this can be kept in the house as a piece of furniture...Nord even do the matching furniture stand.
There is this distinctive and percussive unpleasant sound that pierces my ears. Many times when you open your mouth, even before you start to speak. Here 16:20 for instance. Maybe you should drink some water to soften the attack curve... :)
Ya know, comments like these confuse me. Sure, original pianos were not built with plastic keys, but they also didn’t have the ability to mass produce quality plastic keys. There’s no reason why wooden or ivory keys are superior to plastic keys, especially with the insane technology we have available to us now. So yes, you can connect with plastic keys as long as they are built with care and quality, just like wood. With that said, you’d never put plastic keys on a real Grand Piano, for obvious reasons👍
Would you review the Nord grand along side the Kawai mp11se?
Ah man, that white grand piano sample is just heavenly. I want that with a wooden-key action like Kawai's Grand Feel series.
Best review I've seen so far. Tony plays very much like I do, which is helpful. Although I fear he's a bit better! I'm heavily invested in Nord boards, but this Nord Grand seems like a serious step up for quieter (and more artistic) acoustic-level stuff. If I'm playing electric, all the nuance would be lost. I now have this one on my bucket list.
There may have been a time when Kawai was an ostensible competitor to Clavia. However, since it would seem that the days of Kawai manufacturing synthesizers is well behind us, it is decent of them to collaborate with Clavia in the design of this model.
I can just imagine how quick I would be to order one of these, if I didn’t already have a more than suitable 88-note keyboard. First and foremost after its features, I love the flat surface next to the front panel, which looks ideal for mounting any number of portable instruments on top of it. That is one of the reasons why I have long fantasized owning a Rhodes 88 Stage. Up to now, the closest I myself have come to owning a digital piano is the aforementioned model, the S90XS, which is a synthesizer with a digital piano keyboard attached.
12:17 total Robbie Buchanan!
Well done as usual Tony!
Thanks Chuck. I loved your comparison video with the Piano 4 .
@@bonnersmusic Thanks Tony!
That was a very well presented video. Thanks for that! That looks like a really fine and versatile
instrument
you have a rough date for the new store opening, its much closer to my location and the only shop I would visit.
Hi Mark. We should be opening in MK in early November
@@bonnersmusic that's great I'll pop over in November hopefully you'll have a nord grand there for me to try out.
Yes Idol!!!!!
In fact sounds beautifull.The Kawai Hammer action turns the sounds of pianos more realistic...And the efects are very good reverb and Chorus..
Oooops! I just played this video back again and the sound is reversed. The bass keys are playing on the right channel. Flip your headphones around and it sounds better!
Tony... Go to your room. :) I bet your people panned the channels incorrectly in the DAW. It's an easy mistake to make. At least that's what it sounds like to me. I heard it while you were playing the Royal Grand 3d in the upper registers at 4:00.
Fantastically natural sound (nice playing also)
Great demo. Love those Rhodes sounds.
The sound is amazing!
Nice video, Tony. Kudos to Kawai for the action.
Steinway D for White Grand? Heavenly. The EP’s are excellent as well.
The sounds is superb. Absolutely beautiful keyboard, worth buying.
I have Roland RD2000 and i love it, i like korg grand, kaway MPSE or yamaha CP, kurtzweil forte, etc. but Nord piano is the best of all (my opinion)!
Yes a new review! Great one, thanks again!
Another great demo!!
Which Speakers do you use for best Sound At home? Which do you use for your Sound in this Video?
Thank you.
Definitely the best stage piano yet - no dispute on that. Absolutely worth checking out if you need a somewhat portable or shall I say movable piano.
have fun actually carrying it around
Kougeru
Is only 20kg. That’s not too much.
How does it compare to the Dexibell stage piano samples? I've heard the Fatar keybeds used by Dexibell aren't the best feeling...?
@@zain4019 that like 44-45 lbs, i think the mp11se ways more
Tony; I always love the way you capture your digital pianos as you demo. Would you please un-veil and disclose the recording path your useing. For example RU going directly out the back of the new "NORD GRAND" into a great DI box, and then perhaps a great pre-amp (at what settings?) before hitting your DAW? You know if you are sweeting up the sound, I may want to buy a few of these periperals when I'm at Bonners right?
Great review Tony and very well presented, lovely playing too. I love the sounds of the Nord Grand; I'm debating whether to get the MP11 S E or the Roland 2000 but now you've put a spanner in the works. It's a shame the Nord looks so awful, like a sideboard my Nan had vases on, I'm not sure I could live with the way it looks. Are there any other recommendations for the £2000 mark?
One issue that was never mentioned is the new sloping control panel. A lot of other reviews are saying it is too easy to accidentally hit a button because the controls are too close to the keys. It must be a real problem otherwise Nord would not have included a lock function. I wish they had just stuck to the original format of controls on top, I prefer the classic Nord look, although it will still need to be slightly taller than usual to accomodate the new action.
Great job as always Tony! Best of luck with the new store in Milton Keynes!
Thanks,,great video as always tony.
Can't wait to try this one out.
Sounds so beautiful! Question are those the RH3 actions, like in the Kawai mp7 se?
Error 2:43 RM action is not on the MP11 (in fact it's GF2 Kawai's latest and top key action for digitals), however RM3 II is found on the VPC1 and it's regarded within the best actions for stage pianos.
The action in the MP11 is actually GF, not GF2. If I'm not wrong, as of now, the GF2 is only available in console format. But both actions are very similar, I think.
@@VinarcoKie you're right, was just rushing and didn't pay attention to the detail. However, there're next not no differences between GF and GF2 (as commented on forums), and despite being a step below the GF2, it's still way better than the rest of (more than decent) actions by Kawai
@@DavidIzquierdoAzzouz Haha yes. On a stage piano, the GF is arguably the best action available. Cheers.
Sounds amazing, what amplification, if any are you using or is it just the keyboard on board amplifier
I have played the Kawai MP11SE, MP7SE and Piano 4. The MP7SE's keybed is very, very good, the MP11SE is heaven ! The Piano 4 is not so good, at least, I don't like it. The Grand has the same keybed as the MP7SE, which is very good, but not on the same level as the MP11SE. I know Nord has customized the action on the Grand, plus you've got access to Nord's library, but the Grand almost costs three times as much as the MP7SE. If Nord had used the Grand Feel action, I might have forked out the extra cash and gone for the Grand instead of the MP11SE. You can always add sounds, by adding a second tier, or with a sound module, or an iPad, but you can't swap out the keybed. Don't get me wrong, I like the Kawai RH3 action a lot, but I just fell in love with the Grand Feel action... As for the weight, I seldom gig, if ever, so it's not an issue for me. Still, the Grand is a compromise in my eyes.
Hi friend, and How did you compare the SE version with the classical MP7, the Roland RD2000/FP90 and Yamaha CP88/P515 in key action and the sound connection!... Thanks!...
Hi Vadim, thanks for answer, could you explain a bit more, please give me a more detailed response about why did you prefer the plastic over the woodens Kawai keys..., IMHO, i prefer even the older RHII over RHIII, for a more confortable key action for play all sounds, are you agree with me?, are you compared both key actions RHII vs RHIII?. Are you tried the Yamaha NWX too?...
Thanks for your helpful answer Vadim, and how compare the RH2 and RH3 with Roland PHA-50 in RD2000/FP90 and Yamaha NWX in P515.
@@VadimShinnik Ok, are you tried the PHA4 in RD800 and FP30?. What do you think about these key actions?. Thanks Vadim!...
@@VadimShinnik Ok Vadim, but i think RH2 is more versatile and responsive for non piano sounds, RH3 is a bit heavier but more bouncy and less faster due counterweights, is my feeling, please tell me your experience!...
Thank you Tony-san!
From old Kawai man.
I play the MP10 sound so good,but body is so much heavy!
Nice reviev! Does the piano have internal speakers?
My next piano. love it.
Mine is on order, but won't arrive until October! How is the being recorded? Straight line in or through speakers (and if speakers, what kind)?
Problem is -- once they become easily available, THEY COME OUT WITH A NEW DAMN MODEL!!! I find this frustrating.
Tony for president!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Now that's my favourite comment of all time!
I am a profesional pianist, gigging mainly jazz but sometimes I like to practice classical music (Bach, Chopin Etudes...) to keep my technique. Now my question is if Nord Grand is a good instrument to practice on all that stuff?
Nice video. The Kawai MP11SE has the "Grand Feel" wood key action...not the RM3 as you mentioned in this video. RM3 was in the older MP10 and currently in the VPC-1...but you knew that I am sure...just a momentary memory slip, yes? :). I enjoy watching your videos and listening to you play music.
How’s the action compared to Roland Rd2000?
I have just ordered mine~I am mostly a classical pianist and teacher, play some gigs also and used to take my old Korg DP to those, before I had long term church jobs. Is the music RACK they make usable on this instrument? I will figure something out if need be, but I use music a lot~I suppose I could buy an ipad and set it up, now that I am leaping into the 21st century. Great demo!
Good job. Just wondering if this is possible to add to your digital piano reviews, the noise off the keyboard to people listening nearby while you use the headphones. I bought a new CLP-775 and the noise drives my wife nuts. She can hear it down thru the floor downstairs.
What's that song riff played in the beginning at 0:20 secs
Takin it to the Streets - Doobie Brothers
sounds wicked tony
can you tell me what speakers are being used in this video the sound is outstanding
I was thinking the same I know you asked a long time ago still cant see an answer but it does incredible
@@davidrichmusic121 The Nord is big bucks for what they are offering
Is it confirmed that they really used the RH-III keybed, or is it something that is specially customized for nord??
Not exactly. Actually it is a modified version of the RH III keybed.
My Top 3
- kawai mp11se
- Nord Grand
- Korg Grandstage
@Sam The bam Not all. Piano, strings are great. Others are ok.
How does the Nord Piano 5 action stack up against the Nord Grand's action?
Thanks Tony, great review. What stand are you using?
Thanks Matias. I'm using the official Nord Keyboard stand.
@@bonnersmusic cool, although that seems to only fit Nords, what stand would you recommend for my mp7se? I've been looking for something more stable
Try this one: www.bonnersmusic.co.uk/stagg-music-mxsa1-folding-keyboard-stand.ir
07:55 what is the titel of that song wat your playing?
I can’t make you love me
Andrew Spink thanks 🙏
WHEN IS IT ACTUALLY COMING OUT??? I reeeeeeeally want this board.
I’m wondering if it’s possible to download the RD 1000 piano sound.
What’s this difference between the Nord grand and the modified blue version?
Hi Tony and friends, please tell me which key action and finger to sound connection did you prefer in order of preference between: Roland FP90, Kawai ES8, Yamaha P515 and new Casio PX-S3000. Thanks!...
Thanks for your message. My preference would be ES8, P515, FP90, PXS3000
Thanks Bonners, you are an amazing Superstore!...
This must be compared to Dexibell pianos, that are amazing and pretty sure gives you the best piano sound nuances.
Ive got one question:can grand do everything that piano5 does? or whats the exact difference between them? thanks im gonna pick one out of this two .
Quick question… a nord stage 5 or a Roland rd 20000…. For a beginner ?
What is your speaker setup for this recording?
Sir, what type of monitor did you use to have that sound?
pretty sure it's a direct feed recording
Please tell me the name of the song you were playing. I keep humming it but can't think of it's name.
Mike Hughes In the beginning?
“Taking it to the street” by the Doobie Brothers.
Thanks was wondering this as well. What a tune!
Anyone know the name of the song at 7:54?
I think it's I can't make you love me by Bonnie Raitt
@@Pianoman1488 yes! 10 imaginary internet points to you!
Listen to the George Michael version - it's musical perfection.
Does this replace a good acoustic upright piano in terms of studio quality?
I don't know about replace, but it has large benefits. For example, no need to mic the instrument, no need to keep tuning the instrument, can listen through headphones, and portability.
what stand are you using? Thank you.
I've heard there's different generations to the Nord Grand... Can anybody shine some light on this for me. Thank you
if you compare Nord grand vs roland Rd-2000, which has the best action? (Kawai RHiii vs Roland pha-50)
Well, actually it is not the RH III action. It's a kind of modified version of the RH III specifically built for the Nord Grand. The RH III can be found in the MP7 SE. When it comes to the NG action...huge disappointment. As far as I'm concerned that keybed is unacceptable for that prize segment. Nord Grand can be found for 3,000e in Europe. Too soft, awful texture, noisy and plasticky. Good responsiveness though. The RD 2000 action is heavier but overall quite good. When it comes to the sound, the Nord Ground sounds gorgeous, splendid. The RD2000 requires more tweaking but it's a good competitor considering its current prize in the market.
How well will the Sound come across on JBL studio monitors?
Probably really nice
hi, today which is the keyboard that responds like an acoustic piano
Yamaha nu1x für example. They really put the mechanics of their grand piano into their e piano. For more information just Google.
Kaiwa has also one model. Sound may come down to taste. I like the Yamaha a bit more.
The white grand sounds really nice. Does anyone know if there's an option to layer the strings up to a certain key while retaining the whole piano in dual mode? My old RD800 was able to do this and it was a really nice feature. I don't like the strings doubling every high note of the piano; just sounds tacky.
Paul Fagan yes, you can split the keyboard.
@@growtogether great to know, thanks
You can indeed split the keyboard, but I can't yet find a way to layer strings with piano on only the lower registers of the keyboard. I don't think this is possible at the moment.
@@tonywhite7447 okay no worries anyway, it's only small. Always appreciate your presentations. Top notch
Hi Paul, please which key action and finger to sound connection did you prefer in order of preference between: Roland FP90, Kawai ES8, Yamaha P515 and new Casio PX-S3000. Thanks!...
How’s the action compared to the RD-800?
probably a lot better. I have an RD800 and I think the piano 4 feels better.
My only problem is that it is a stage piano at heart, meaning there's no way to appreciate the beautiful sound without EXTERNAL monitors etc. I'm torn between buying this and a high end digital kawai piano that has speakers inside a piano body, hmm..
Internal speakers are never going to be as good as a pair of quality monitor speakers. If you want a pair of good monitor speakers then go with Focal.
That George Michael song was beautiful - could listen to that all day.
Does the piano have headphone input ?
Yup a 1/4 inch input
Looks and sounds amazing ! However, it seems like you would get much more with the Kawai MP 7 SE for almost $2,000 less. I believe the Kawai has an on-board digital recorder with unlimited overdubs, 256 voices, 100 rhythm patterns, the ability to layer 3 different voices, 256 note polyphony, and the same action as the Nord Grand. IMHO, the Kawai Shigeru Grand Piano on the MP 7 SE is at least comparable to the Nord White Piano. Besides downloading various sounds from Nord, what are the advantages of the Nord Grand? What do the rest of you think?
Jazzvent, I have owned 20 digital pianos. Including MP11se & MP7se, V-Piano, Avant Grande N3, Dexibell S9, P500, CP1, CP4, All the Rolands, blah blah..... Currently a KORG Grand Stage.
Your right about the KAWAI being a bigger bang for the buck especially in the zoning and controller department which you barely mentioned.. And YES Kawai did a nice job with Kawai Shigeru sampling.
But the NORD/KAWAI action called officially R-N triple sensor integrated with the Nord velocity curves and in particular this new WHITE sample is just blossuming with overtones, resonance and realism. If your recording and your an accomplished player it will just sound about 24% better.
I own a 90k C7e in an amazing studio space. A guy traveled 850 miles to record on it last nite. It's a great sound with 414's.... But my next recording will be with the NORD GRAND..... There is simply enough detail in the NG to make the difference. And the fact that NORD is offering samples like the "WHITE" every so often (FREE) is worth it in my opinion. I make my living solely as a pianist/composer/engineer etc.....
Lastly, It's one thing to have an opinion from your practice room, living room, and it's another when your opinion comes from the stage as your dollars do. BOTTOM line is you will see the difference in bookings, recordings, and audience reactions. But like everything in life, your gonna have to work it. The MP7se is probably the best bang for the buck comprehensively. NORD is just combining details in a way that just makes a compelling abd discernable difference.
@Scars Stiches Mr. Scars; Simply I like what I hear, ( I could end my communication right there Scars) to me it's musical and expressive... Whatever the sampler and programmers are doing at NORD or with NORD, they are doing it right, ( to my ears) and if you just look at the numbers,(300mb) they are doing it efficiently. Having owned the KAWAI MP7se and MP11se I have great idea and better yet, tons of experience of useing their actions to create compelling music. I have played well over 15,000 gigs in Dallas TX since 1983 and have used all 20 of those digital pianos I have owned (except the YAMAHA Avant Grand) with a least 20 different sound systems from "time aligned" to all the QSC K series speakers on those gigs. I would say compare a master recording to an MP3. While lacking in detail most of what you need is there. For me Mr. Scars bottom line is how does it sound and how does it respond to my touch, velocity and weight..... When I get mine I'll be posting some videos.
That pianist in Sweden "Simon" whom bought his NORD Grand last tuesday, and whom has posted a video which is in the top 3, has an extremely modest DAW set up, uses cheap HOSA cables but is extremely mature in his musicianship, did a very good job of demoing. I hear everything I want or need to hear Scars.
Now if there is anything that bothers me, it is the chorusing (out of tuneness) in the very upper range. If we rant about anything to NORD it should be just that. Fix the tuning.... It is not neccessary to "build in ", leave. or sample that kind of imperfection, when you have done such a great job with the rest of the piano.
I can only tell you what I experience Scars. Now when I'm not playing gigs, and composing-- I am engineering both audio and video at my studio ..Which is a Russ Berger design. (Look him up) To keep my (1984) YAMAHA C7e in perfect condition for pianists whom need the "real thing".... I have spent well over $25,000 in maintanence. That's alot of tuning Scars..... I know I can create compelling performances and recordings useing the NORD GRAND..... (even if they don't fix the upper register chorusing)..... So that is what I think.....And $3,500 is not alot to pay ( again based on my experience) when once or twice a year youll get "FREE" acess to new pianos from NORD downloads.
@@kenboome864 Or you can get a deal on Nord 3 piano and buy a VPC 1 Kawai.Get a great keybed for home and still be portable,in the same budget.And buy from both brands.Deal for all parts.
@@kenboome864 Hello. I'm studying piano and i need a keyboard close to an acustic piano. I read your remarks about Nord Grand and under your expertise point of view what is your preference of the following options?
1) MP11SE - wood Keybed - a good midi controller to play stunning VST pianos from a PC. Flexible MIDI zones. New sounds can not be uploaded to the keyboard but with virtual instruments in a PC you can get stunning instruments. You can record MP3 in a USB and XLR professional connections.
2) NORD Grand : nice sounds but 2Gb of memory currently is not so much ... good VST instruments uses samples that take more than 15Gb in a PC (not cheap of course).
Keybed still made of plastic. Is an expensive instrument taking into account the features it offers.
3) Korg GrandStage. Nice piano sounds. keyboard still made of plastic.
4) KORG KRONOS 2 88 is incredible (flexible, KARMA, SSD, etc) but keyboard still made of plastic and curently i don't know if has any sense to have a
sequencer inside the keyboard (ok it is a workstation for productipon/composers) when you get incredible production/sequencer software
in the PC (Ableton, Pro Tools, Cubase, FT Loops, etc).
It's not easy for me to make up my mind because i haven't had the chance to play the NORD Grand. It's too new and nobody has stock to play it in a showroom.
Did you have the chance? If so what your opinion compared with MP11SE ?
Thanks in advance.
@@SantiagoMaillo Santiago;
You are definitely on the right track. My answer will reflect on your desire to keep refining your classical piano technique and the best educated purchase for those purposes. ( Including composition)
#1.) MP11se is currently the alpha-omega controller with samples at a price that nobody can touch. Try to purchase one used, as there is very little one could do to damage it, because KAWAI has built it like a tank. Set that instrument up with some nice studio monitors and a very small sub and you will have everything you need internally within the instrument, including recording, metrenome etc, to master your classical piano studies..
#2.) Build or have built a custom PC for your DAW... I would use Cubase as their Music manuscript program DORICO ( developed by Daniel Spreadbury and old Sibelius team) will become the defacto music scoring program. ( Works incredibly within PC/MAC and import/export midi files via cubase etc and XML from Sibelius & Finale. And of course STEINBERG invented VST so you know all the programming for all the VST samples will work and be accurate etc.
#3.) If you have a little extra $$ then you have to look at YAMAHA's N1 and N2 ( not N3 --to big) as your controller. Just a little better than KAWAI as it is basically the action out of C7 pianos in a digital. ( I believe they are useing that super midi curves with 1000s of resolution points for velocity. There are a ton of classical pianists using that controller with PIANO TEQ and all the other great sample packages you are talking about for piano. GOOGLE that, to hear some amazing performances ......
#4.) The MP7se still dollar for dollar and bang for the buck woukld make a better gig piano.... Weight is the same as the NORD GRAND as are the dimensions "almost", that should tell you alot. QSC CP8 speakers are currently the best for live performing on a budget. I currently am performing on the KORG grandstage ( #20) and will probably sell it at a huge discount for the NORD GRAND.... NORD GRAND has a some out of tune samples in it in upper range. That really bothers me, I hope NORD fixes that!.. I have the same problem you do, in that in Dallas TX we probably won't see a a NORD grand until October to demo. I would definely try before you buy. That instrument won't give you back the weight/balance your looking for in your classical piano advancement and study as the MP11se and N1/N2 will.
#5.) The experience a mature pianist has developed as ar as weight/balance from training conditioning transfers over to lower weight instruments like NORD grand. But if you haven't developed it, firstly on a concert grand thru correct practice there is nothing in one's physiology that gets conditioned.( for advanced classical study and performance, It ain't going to be there)) Not everybody cares or needs to care about that, right?. ... I wouldn't change a thing your thinking except if you have the budget, check out using the N1/N2 as controller.. If not the MP11se will make a wonderful instrument for you to keep developing and being super productive upon the standards you have talked about here !! Onward ! KB
The action is RH or RH3?
I think it is RH3. :-)
@@tomolesvendsen8236Tony's holding RH action. So I'm thinking it's only RH, not RH3.
@@jonos138 I have heard it has the same as the Kawai MP7SE - Yet modified - see this info from Kawai:
ACTION INSTRUMENTS
GF CS10, CS7, CP1, CP2, MP11, MP11SE
GFII CA97, CA67, CS8, CS11, CA78, CA98
RM3II VPC1
AWA PROII CE220
RHII MP7, CS4, CP3
RHIII CN25, CN35, ES8, CN27, CN37, MP7SE
RHC ES110
This or nord piano 4-5?
Se tivessem colocado as teclas do kawai mp11SE... seria o melhor piano digital do mundo!
Kawai MP11-SE is still the King, action-wise.
I have the older MP11 and the key Teflon/felt pieces on the backside of my action have started to fail. The Teflon has started to move and causes my action to be upwards of 61-62 grams on middle "C". I am not sure that the MP11SE had this defect updated to avoid this situation. I shouldn't have to open up my MP11 and replace the Teflon with a better solution that has been posted on YT already. It's always something, it seems.
Kawai MP7 is better IMHO...
The White Grand played on the NG: It plays and sounds just like an acoustic piano does. I have a Steinway "A" that is a perfect piano to play on and I enjoy my NG just as much with headphones. It is great being able to practice on the NG and then play on my Steinway at full volume. The transition between DP and AP has zero issues for me. YMMV.
PS: The MP7SE shares the same action as the NG so they feel very similar.
Nord Grand or Nord stage 3?
Raylan Gripp pinned to see any answer. I am wondering the same.
@@br_obert two very different instruments, it depends on what you're looking for.
If you are looking for a traditional stage piano, replete with traditional action ect, Nord Grand
If you are looking for more modern production practices, I'd say the Nord Stage 3 thing is a beast
(I like the compact because of the physical draw bars, but not as piano-y in terms of action (not a bad thing i'd say loll)
The Fazioli (Nord 2012 Italian grand) is superior to the White Grand or the Royal 3D.
PianoGesang how so?
@@johnnulf624 In every aspect. Only the Bösendorfer can compete with the Fazioli. The overall sound of the White Grand is sterile and sharp-cut and the Royal 3D has certain notes that sound very unreal and artificial when played isolated. The Italian grand is not perfect but the best Nord sample so far. The Velvet and the Bright Grand cannot compete either.
NO! the White Grand is much better! is the most realistic piano i ever played on a keyboard
@@lucasmartin7845 I maintain my opinion but you are entitled to yours.
Sheesh. You guys are like: “prime rib is much better than lobster tail...”
for that price they better cook my dinner for me
how is it comparing to Roland rd-2000?
sound is immense, so is the price
isn't the piano 4 this good?
Planet Dog the action is way different. To me the piano 4 felt slower and stickier while the Nord grand felt faster and more springy. Neither is too close to a real grand weighting but I’d say the Nord grand is very playable
Ma ha veramente la stessa tastiera del kawai vpc1 ?
Paolo Migliarino no.
Yamaha CP1 is the only one physical modeling
RD-2000 says hi
haken continuum wants to know your location
crumar seven
Nord should make Kontakt libraries too. I can't make enough in 7 lifetimes to justify buying one of their keyboards.
Does any one have comments on the Korg Kronos RH3 action ?
Nord should sell this for 9000 dollars for no reason at all and see if people still buy it
you had me looking for my credit card up til the White Piano
Who need tarted up fender rhodes - Blyetch
Wanted to get away from all the spaceship nopise BS in my Yam motif 8
Nice basic piano tho
bem melhor que kawai mp 11, nord sempre na frente, o mais sampleado, ou copiado
krg melhor que nord
mas em ação das teclas, parece que o kawai MP11SE ainda é melhor. Difícil escolha entre esses 2...
Their boards are so overpriced for what you get(imho).
Not really
@@serafinrazo4097 My Kurzweil pianos sound amazing and the vast programming is unreal for a lot less.
The same for me 🙂
Nord is nice but I agree with the comment they are over priced.
The Nord is priced around £2500 with the original Kawai RH action by Kawai. Now consider the Kawai mp7se, which uses RH but the newer RH3 action and the piano sounds are excellent, and it's £1000 less than the nord.
For less than the price of a Nord at around £2000 (saving £500) you could get the MP11se Kawai flagship model with the even better Grand Feel action, and they are all wooden Keys.
It's a no brainer really. Why would you pay more for a Nord with lower specs, when you can get a higher spec Kawai for less than the price of a Nord.
Yeah but it's ugly af. Reminds me of a 80's Synclavier or something ;)
I love the way it looks and the retro vibe only adds.
Seems a fair comment.....however the latest digital pianos with loads of lights and digital display screens will look really dated in 10 years. Where as this Nord is different...very recognisable and will always have that classic retro/ antique vibe for ever. Unlike most other stage pianos this can be kept in the house as a piece of furniture...Nord even do the matching furniture stand.
There is this distinctive and percussive unpleasant sound that pierces my ears. Many times when you open your mouth, even before you start to speak. Here 16:20 for instance. Maybe you should drink some water to soften the attack curve... :)
Yamaha CP1 is the only one for the real stagepiano
can you really connect w plastic keys
Ya know, comments like these confuse me. Sure, original pianos were not built with plastic keys, but they also didn’t have the ability to mass produce quality plastic keys. There’s no reason why wooden or ivory keys are superior to plastic keys, especially with the insane technology we have available to us now. So yes, you can connect with plastic keys as long as they are built with care and quality, just like wood.
With that said, you’d never put plastic keys on a real Grand Piano, for obvious reasons👍
you have a nord grand or just talking sh?
@@alancalvitti😂😂😂
Great sound, bloody ugly..going with crumnar seven
Ben suonante ma.....bruttino assai.