BEST JORDAN 4 BLACK CEMENT 4 REVIEW/COMPARISON ON RUclips 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽Thank you so much for this! As a person who remembers the ORIGINAL 89’ I sincerely appreciate this.
Excellent comparison. Wonder why suede cut, or in this retro, leather cut grey lines are not incorporated. That gives us an OG feel. Og’s are so amazing! 🫡
While these are good, the 1999 retro is still the best retro. I would be happy if they could at least get them back to that point. Unfortunately, I don’t think they will.
I could agree with that. I dig the leather though and happy to have a decent pair to rock. Just wish they went full grain without the simulated pebble finish
Yeah I have a deadstock 99 that needs to be restored and they are perfect. I like the reimagined pair too, the best shape Jordan has done since the 99, even though some overlays have shrunken. If only JB would borrow a pair of 99’s to reference the next black cement retro 😢
Yes this 100% needs to be full grain leather with the borders raw. Also I would like to see the "Flight" text done like the og's slimmer. @@ogorbust1697
The real comparison video. I bought these on release day and love them. The shape is really good. Closest to the OG since 99. And the leather is phenomenal. I prefer it to the nubuck. If the OG was leather like the Black Cement 3, no one would miss a beat.
I really love the leather and like I mentioned inthe video would like to see more playoff colorways return in leather. Hopefully full grain smooth next time but they do look good
All the slight differences are very interesting. I remember shoes being well padded back in the day so I was surprised there was less padding than the 24s.
It’s so annoying with so many people saying the 2024 retro is better than the OGs when they are actually comparing the 2024 to previous retros and not the actual OGs. 90% of people have not touched an OG let alone worn a pair. So how can one even compare🤷🏿? This is a fair comparison and shows that as great as the 2024 is it is not even close to the OG.
I have. I was 11, granted, but these new ones, which I’ve had for about 7 months now, are great. More durable, harder to mess up, I dig them. Now those old flight pants…. Ooh boy what I wouldn’t give to have kept some of the flight stuff I bought off of eBay back in 2003.
Great comparison. They finally rounded the toe out something we haven't seen in years but still lacks the low profile slim cut of the OGs which I'd be surprised if we ever get again. The fatter build is probably from the move away from an athletic sneaker to one that fits a wider range of foot shapes
Hi. Great comparative review, thanks. It would be great to have the same 1989 / 2019 DS pair review too. Even if toe box if of course not the same on the 2019, would be interesting to see all the other areas compared.👍
My one and only Christmas gift in 1989 was a pair of black/cement Nike Air Jordan 4's...and I was stoked! The tabs on the back of mine were made of leather and the "Nike Air" was embossed into it because it was a youth size. The herringbone pattern was so soft and grippy and it would be filled with small pebbles from ripping around on the playground haha!
Haha that's cool man! IF my folks did get me a pair in '89 I'm pretty sure I'd have the same. Not till Christmas 91 they finally gave in with black infrared 6 for Christmas. I had to shed tears to make it happen.
The shape depends on the factory your pair was made at. Good shape pairs were made in “LN3” and “LN4” factories. Your pair looks to have been made at the “SZ” factory which don’t have as good a shape. Hope this helps explain why your pair looks like that. They still look good regardless.
@@ogorbust1697 Yeah that’s right. LNM was the other factory with not as good a shape. Sucks that it’s like that. Even still the shape on all of them are miles better than 2019 and earlier retros since the ‘99s.
My pair had a nice slope on the toe box just like the OG. I think your pair just got a bad one. This new 2024 shape is amazing imo. I love the sleek toe box shape where it’s not so “boxy”
I noticed the other shoe does lay slightly flatter, an issue we've seen with other retros lately where one is curdled more than the other. It's not that drastic here though as some others like Chicago 2022 banana
The toe box is definitely improved. My two biggest issues would be collar height to line up with the heel tab and the size of the side panel netting is much smaller than OG
I understand the differences you are pointing out, but I’m very pleased with the 2024. There will never be an OG perfect retro. I’ve accepted this fact. The mesh alone hasn’t been matched since 89’.
Totally, weird thing is they tried to elevate the shoes height and shrunk the netting. If they just took the time to get an 89 pattern down but they chose not to
Man if they just got the height right the rest of the shoe looks pretty damn good. I don't mind the longer tongue, I surely hate the padding tho 😂. Another amazing review brother. I wish the Brand would use their social media people and watch this video and actually learn.
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed the review! The padding is definitely thicker and not going anywhere like those puffy 5 retro tongues. Got a few pairs I've worn quite a bit and still super puffy.. just look at the og 1 padding that was later production, it lasts. Height and netting is my biggest improvements I'd like to see at this point and they'll be damn close..
@@ogorbust1697 You're so on point brother! I swear I wrote the comment before the netting talk and your so right they smooshed looking opening for the netting is tiny now an I wonder if they removed the ankle padding closer to the OG if that would make some of the esthetics look a bit better? You're definitely the king of OG vs Retro reviews I never go to any other channel for it.
Some intense games no doubt.. playoffs and regular season. As much as I despised them, the bad boys made us better. I know we would win once past them.
Why can’t Nike or JB do what Virgil (R.I.P) did for the off white 2 lows? They did a 3d scan of the OG shoe to get an exact replica and specs and shape and cut etc etc . We have all the technology in the world but JB or Nike just aren’t utilizing any of it. There’s no need to re-tool, or adjust the shape or “trying” to get the OG toe box shapes right. Virgil did it right for the OFF WHITE 2 lows. Exact same shape, toe box etc as the OG’s they took a 3D scan from. JB, you have access to any OG jordan from either an archive or ANY real OG collector who have DS OG’s! Come on JB, you have the means to make our retro’s as close to the originals as possible. But for some reason don’t. That’s my peace lol
There is absolutely ZERO reason they can't replicate the original shape. Comes down to wanting to put the effort forward and spend money on molding, research etc to get it right instead of cranking out more pairs that won't come close..
Great review! After getting past the excitement of the release, next comes the details. You've covered all the subtleties that makes a fan go "these are nice! but it's not the same" which they are not. They can be precise about it. First thing I noticed unboxing them was that tongue height, man! Notice how the heel tab and ankle support on the OG line up to make a seamless curved line but the retro doesn't? Looks like the tab was cut a slight bit higher on the retro while the ankle support was slightly lower making that big difference. The details always matter, all the stuff mentioned matters for sure.
Thanks man, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. The tabs are pretty much equal sized.. heel shape molding is just so different from slant to rounded shape as I showed in the video. Collar is taller too at tab making the OG look so much better overall. Lots of little details make a HUGE difference
I used to restore sneakers back in h.s around 2012-2016/ the era of really bad shape and material retros grape 5s, fire red 3s, sport blue 6s, etc.. I recently found your channel and made me really want to get back into buying jays that are actually worth the bread at least anything from 2004 and before that would you say OGs run true to size or big? I wear an 11 in current time retros except 4s they hurt my feet those I wear 11.5
Question for you that not many people seem to be able to answer. Out of all of the original 89 pairs, which ones had durabuck and which ones had leather?
I have worn my neutral Grey low 85's enough now to brake in the toe box and it looks like your pairs from 1985 😮 I think the 85 low on the neutral Grey color is an amazing shoe and would love to get your opinion because you would know. Great video. I love the 2019 black cement because the BC 4 was the first nubuck or durabuck jordan so I will always prefer it in the true form it's just to iconic.
Very nice man! I haven't worn the natural grey low yet but I did review them a bit ago.. need the blue metallic too. Leather is much nicer than the 85 retro high 💯
Nice Comparison I Like The 2024 Version So Far I May Get Them Later But 1989 Pair Still The Best OG Especially That Durabuck Upper And The 1999 Retro Too… I Have The OG Flight Shirt Somewhere Plus I Saw The Vintage Flight Tank Top Yesterday #OGOrBust
Outside of the damaged mid and bottom soles and the wing, those OG 89s are in really good condition. Another thing, Nike has done an exceptional job of reproducing Jordans which is why they've increased in resale value over the years.
What must we do to get them to get them as close as to the OG as possible. In this day and age, we have to have the technology to better replicate an original shoe to be as close as possible when recreated.
They would have to go the route that Nike did with the Air Max 90/III recrafts a few years ago. Completely recraft the shoe while using the originals for reference. While they weren’t spot on, the attention to detail was impressive and showed me that a close to accurate retro is possible.
Did the ‘89s have the pinky toe issue that every 4 since has had ? It seems like the original cut might not have had that issue due to that very different sloped shape. Just curious
I've never worn the og unfortunately, only knockoffs back in '89 lol.. with the durabuck though I'm guessing less rubbing lighter and at heel wider shoe and toe space might reflect that as well. Definitely more sloped toe, just perfection
@@ogorbust1697 ah I see, I’m always curious about that. I’ve had to go a half size up to avoid my pinky toes from being demolished. I can’t imagine MJ played in the originals with that issue
Right.. they COULD but refuse to put the time and resources to do better, closer to the OG. 2s are damn near perfect, 3 is really close too.. it can be done
15:25 I honestly this reason alone is what keep you older heads from enjoying what we have now. Since 2000 besides the Black Metallic 5s and Fire Red 5s, when has it ever been a perfect retro to the OGs. After 20 years of retroing they’ve continuously showed that they’re not going back 100% true to the OG. Hell they advertised the 2020 Fire Red 4s as TRUE TO OG FORM and that was a lie. As we continue we want these sneakers back but buy them knowing we aren’t gonna be happy and satisfied. So why put yourself under the stress of disappointment 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I'm not stressed about them coming back properly but like I mentioned in the video they CAN do it, no reason why they can't with today's technology. 2s are now spot on most recent retros with the OG. 3s getting close too, justification needs to happen for price increases etc. Overall I have cut back heavily on retro Jordan purchases. Remastered program was supposed to be "og spec " more lies to charge more $$$
@@ogorbust1697 the thing I don’t understand how Jordan Brand get away with “false advertising” in a way. Wasn’t the Fire Red 4s the Jordan 4 that was supposed start the era for having the 1989 shape. But now 4 years later the SB 4s are the ones that supposedly have the true 89 shape. So which one is it lol
@@ogorbust1697 also please don’t think I was being rude or disrespectful towards you in any way. I just view as that if you own the OGs, it’s like most of you guys who do own them don’t appreciate the things we do have in this day in time. I hear many people say Jordan Brand doesn’t use the durabuck that was used on the 1989 pair because the company that made it ran out of business. So it leaves confusion to how is things supposed to be exactly how they were if factories then doesn’t exist anymore. Hope you see what I’m trying to paint here
Jordan 4 black cements are my number 1 of all time. I think they did an excellent job with the 2024 reimagined. Im never getting rid of my pair. Strangely though, i couldn't stand my 2019 pair. I got rid of them. They felt so cheap and the shape was horrible. Pinky toe killers. Unlike the 89s, 99s and 24s.Just my opinion.
I'm totally with you on that.. so many people were like why don't you like the 2019?!? Straight garbage, tried liking them and overlooking details etc but sold them. These will be enjoyed!
Agreed. It was like forcing yourself to stay with a hot girlfriend that is constantly cheating on you. As bad as it hurts(pinky toe and all) , I had to let em go. Lol
We need a good AJ4 white cement. I gave my pair away to the local homeless Federation. The shape and cut was atrocious . Quality on my pair was embarrassing. Made me stop buying 4s till the 2019 BC (which are also blah)
Where did the leather 6’s come from? Did the grade school pairs come in leather back then or was the durabuck purposely turned into leather.. one more theory. Did the durabuck turn into leather over time? Please don’t leave me hanging man, I have to know
GS were made from leather, not durabuck. Maybe nike felt kids were rougher on shoes so went with leather, more durable than durabuck. Durabuck more flexible though for performance
I think the 2024 pair is the best since the OG but you can really notice the discrepancies side-by-side, especially on the medial side. Thanks for the review!
Nike is ripping everybody off with all Jordan retros. They charge us way more yet give us a severely inferior shoe. For some unknown reason they can never get the toe box correct. They can never get the all around shape correct and they use cheaper materials compared the originals. Ill be glad when Nike tanks and all of us customers can sit back and say "We told ya so"
I have the 2019 bred 4s and tbh I find them more comfortable than the 2024 reimagined 4s, they feel lighter on foot and the padding behind the tongue and and collar is good, the 2024 is a bit too much, it almost feels winterized no cap lol the only thing that sold me on 2024 is the leather but that's about it.
@@ogorbust1697 I know that, but your video description is still incorrect. These are the reimagined bred 4’s with black/cement/varsity red color way. The actual black cement Jordan, which are 3’s have the same cement pattern on the toe and back heel, as the box
@@ogorbust1697 The box says Jordan 4 Retro and that’s literally the COLORS of the shoe that you’re referring to (Black, Fire Red, Cement Grey) but these are the Jordan 4 BRED reimagined in your video 🤦🏽♀️Just as all Jordan 4 boxes say “Jordan 4 Retro” and then go on to say what colors the shoes are. What do you call the Jordan 4 White Thunder or Yellow Thunder? Bc those boxes say black/white and yellow/black, respectively.
@@theeone1msnorris i don't think you're understanding that the original colorway of this shoe is black cement. The retro is black cement as well, reimagined with leather. Same exact colorway, black/cement
Nice break down but you left out one thing. They aren’t trying to make the same shoe, it’s a reimagined version of the original. It’s a completely different shoe man
The reimagined has to do with the materials.. not the shape. Materials most obvious of course, I mostly highlight how different the shape and cuts are from the original
@UpNorthGrizz living in the past since I bought a retro? They can make them like the OG but refuse to, look at 2s for example, they are damn near perfect. And yes, they have all resources to do so
I don't think the 2019 pair was as horrible as said in this video I prefer the Durabuck more than this leather but I prefer the shape on reimagined, they gonna hold up better too
My biggest gripes were the toe box and off centered nike branding at heel. After a wear wears they just annoyed me more and more. If you don't like a shoe, sell it lol but yes, 2024 a step in right direction
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The 1989 are so beautiful just the cut
Nothing like it.. that durabuck too💯🔥
BEST JORDAN 4 BLACK CEMENT 4 REVIEW/COMPARISON ON RUclips 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽Thank you so much for this! As a person who remembers the ORIGINAL 89’ I sincerely appreciate this.
Thanks man, I appreciate it! Love this shoe so much I wanted to give the og justice and really dig deep on details.
Been waiting for this comparison. Awesome video per usual.
Thanks! It was definitely a fun one
Excellent comparison. Wonder why suede cut, or in this retro, leather cut grey lines are not incorporated. That gives us an OG feel. Og’s are so amazing! 🫡
While these are good, the 1999 retro is still the best retro. I would be happy if they could at least get them back to that point. Unfortunately, I don’t think they will.
I could agree with that. I dig the leather though and happy to have a decent pair to rock. Just wish they went full grain without the simulated pebble finish
@@ogorbust1697 agreed. The pebbled look is a little too much. I have 3 pairs and there are inconsistencies on the leather on each pair.
Yeah I have a deadstock 99 that needs to be restored and they are perfect. I like the reimagined pair too, the best shape Jordan has done since the 99, even though some overlays have shrunken. If only JB would borrow a pair of 99’s to reference the next black cement retro 😢
@@Nosignature I'd rather see them put the effort in the 1989 cut, work of art #likemike
Yes this 100% needs to be full grain leather with the borders raw. Also I would like to see the "Flight" text done like the og's slimmer. @@ogorbust1697
I’m all for a leather Infrared 6 like the OG grade school pair.
Yesssssss
The real comparison video. I bought these on release day and love them. The shape is really good. Closest to the OG since 99. And the leather is phenomenal. I prefer it to the nubuck. If the OG was leather like the Black Cement 3, no one would miss a beat.
I really love the leather and like I mentioned inthe video would like to see more playoff colorways return in leather. Hopefully full grain smooth next time but they do look good
All the slight differences are very interesting. I remember shoes being well padded back in the day so I was surprised there was less padding than the 24s.
It’s so annoying with so many people saying the 2024 retro is better than the OGs when they are actually comparing the 2024 to previous retros and not the actual OGs. 90% of people have not touched an OG let alone worn a pair. So how can one even compare🤷🏿? This is a fair comparison and shows that as great as the 2024 is it is not even close to the OG.
Bingo...💯💯👊🏻👊🏻
I have. I was 11, granted, but these new ones, which I’ve had for about 7 months now, are great. More durable, harder to mess up, I dig them. Now those old flight pants…. Ooh boy what I wouldn’t give to have kept some of the flight stuff I bought off of eBay back in 2003.
Great comparison. They finally rounded the toe out something we haven't seen in years but still lacks the low profile slim cut of the OGs which I'd be surprised if we ever get again. The fatter build is probably from the move away from an athletic sneaker to one that fits a wider range of foot shapes
Thanks man, I agree with you 👊🏻
Hi. Great comparative review, thanks. It would be great to have the same 1989 / 2019 DS pair review too. Even if toe box if of course not the same on the 2019, would be interesting to see all the other areas compared.👍
I had the 2019 retro, they were awful, sold them after 3 to 4 years. These seem so much better than those at least yet very distant from the og
The thickness of the tounge on the 24 pair is similar to the 99 retro
I just love the fact that your og 4s doesn’t yellow on the grey part of the midsole. Jordan brand needs to bring that back already
Kept in box, they've held up really nicely. Just slight oxidation you see on white outsole.
My one and only Christmas gift in 1989 was a pair of black/cement Nike Air Jordan 4's...and I was stoked! The tabs on the back of mine were made of leather and the "Nike Air" was embossed into it because it was a youth size. The herringbone pattern was so soft and grippy and it would be filled with small pebbles from ripping around on the playground haha!
Haha that's cool man! IF my folks did get me a pair in '89 I'm pretty sure I'd have the same. Not till Christmas 91 they finally gave in with black infrared 6 for Christmas. I had to shed tears to make it happen.
Wow this made the true og look so good💪 respect
👊🏻👊🏻 thanks for watching!!
I bought 2 pair of brsd reimagined and a pair of military blues. Im happy with them
@@phileickmeyer2493 nice, overall I think they did better on the military 4
Great comparison!!! Thanks for that sir!
My pleasure
The shape depends on the factory your pair was made at. Good shape pairs were made in “LN3” and “LN4” factories. Your pair looks to have been made at the “SZ” factory which don’t have as good a shape. Hope this helps explain why your pair looks like that. They still look good regardless.
I have a LN3 pair. The shape is amazing.
None of those actually, LNM factory
@@ogorbust1697 Yeah that’s right. LNM was the other factory with not as good a shape. Sucks that it’s like that. Even still the shape on all of them are miles better than 2019 and earlier retros since the ‘99s.
My pair had a nice slope on the toe box just like the OG. I think your pair just got a bad one. This new 2024 shape is amazing imo. I love the sleek toe box shape where it’s not so “boxy”
I noticed the other shoe does lay slightly flatter, an issue we've seen with other retros lately where one is curdled more than the other. It's not that drastic here though as some others like Chicago 2022 banana
The toe box is definitely improved. My two biggest issues would be collar height to line up with the heel tab and the size of the side panel netting is much smaller than OG
I understand the differences you are pointing out, but I’m very pleased with the 2024. There will never be an OG perfect retro. I’ve accepted this fact. The mesh alone hasn’t been matched since 89’.
Totally, weird thing is they tried to elevate the shoes height and shrunk the netting. If they just took the time to get an 89 pattern down but they chose not to
Man if they just got the height right the rest of the shoe looks pretty damn good. I don't mind the longer tongue, I surely hate the padding tho 😂. Another amazing review brother. I wish the Brand would use their social media people and watch this video and actually learn.
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed the review! The padding is definitely thicker and not going anywhere like those puffy 5 retro tongues. Got a few pairs I've worn quite a bit and still super puffy.. just look at the og 1 padding that was later production, it lasts. Height and netting is my biggest improvements I'd like to see at this point and they'll be damn close..
@@ogorbust1697 You're so on point brother! I swear I wrote the comment before the netting talk and your so right they smooshed looking opening for the netting is tiny now an I wonder if they removed the ankle padding closer to the OG if that would make some of the esthetics look a bit better? You're definitely the king of OG vs Retro reviews I never go to any other channel for it.
@@BigSparky1316 haha thanks man, I appreciate it! 👊🏻👊🏻
@@ogorbust1697 You're welcome brother 👊🏼👊🏼
Great comparison video!
Thanks! I appreciate your time 👊🏻
I'm huge Bad Boys fan those battles were epic. Respect to the Bulls looking back though ✌️
Some intense games no doubt.. playoffs and regular season. As much as I despised them, the bad boys made us better. I know we would win once past them.
Hopefully JB raise the heel like the OGs for the next White Cement 4s release 🤞🏾
That and fix netting my biggest points
Dope video as always 👍🏽
Thanks man👊🏻👊🏻
Why can’t Nike or JB do what Virgil (R.I.P) did for the off white 2 lows? They did a 3d scan of the OG shoe to get an exact replica and specs and shape and cut etc etc . We have all the technology in the world but JB or Nike just aren’t utilizing any of it. There’s no need to re-tool, or adjust the shape or “trying” to get the OG toe box shapes right. Virgil did it right for the OFF WHITE 2 lows. Exact same shape, toe box etc as the OG’s they took a 3D scan from. JB, you have access to any OG jordan from either an archive or ANY real OG collector who have DS OG’s! Come on JB, you have the means to make our retro’s as close to the originals as possible. But for some reason don’t. That’s my peace lol
There is absolutely ZERO reason they can't replicate the original shape. Comes down to wanting to put the effort forward and spend money on molding, research etc to get it right instead of cranking out more pairs that won't come close..
still have mine from ‘89 ..GS 6
Awesome, the real ones kept their pairs! No way end up trashed!
Great review! After getting past the excitement of the release, next comes the details. You've covered all the subtleties that makes a fan go "these are nice! but it's not the same" which they are not. They can be precise about it. First thing I noticed unboxing them was that tongue height, man! Notice how the heel tab and ankle support on the OG line up to make a seamless curved line but the retro doesn't? Looks like the tab was cut a slight bit higher on the retro while the ankle support was slightly lower making that big difference. The details always matter, all the stuff mentioned matters for sure.
Thanks man, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. The tabs are pretty much equal sized.. heel shape molding is just so different from slant to rounded shape as I showed in the video. Collar is taller too at tab making the OG look so much better overall. Lots of little details make a HUGE difference
Great review! My OGs are nowhere near as in good condition. Be interesting to compare the 99s👌🏽💯
@@kishtv1 thank you!!
I used to restore sneakers back in h.s around 2012-2016/ the era of really bad shape and material retros grape 5s, fire red 3s, sport blue 6s, etc.. I recently found your channel and made me really want to get back into buying jays that are actually worth the bread at least anything from 2004 and before that would you say OGs run true to size or big? I wear an 11 in current time retros except 4s they hurt my feet those I wear 11.5
The newer retros nike/Jordan and even basketball to running is so variable. Best bet is to try on what pairs your aiming for.
Question for you that not many people seem to be able to answer.
Out of all of the original 89 pairs, which ones had durabuck and which ones had leather?
Og 4s... durabuck black cement, white cement and fire red. Leather was only military blue.
@@ogorbust1697 awesome, thank you!
I have worn my neutral Grey low 85's enough now to brake in the toe box and it looks like your pairs from 1985 😮 I think the 85 low on the neutral Grey color is an amazing shoe and would love to get your opinion because you would know. Great video. I love the 2019 black cement because the BC 4 was the first nubuck or durabuck jordan so I will always prefer it in the true form it's just to iconic.
Very nice man! I haven't worn the natural grey low yet but I did review them a bit ago.. need the blue metallic too. Leather is much nicer than the 85 retro high 💯
Same here. They are under retail now but I think they release on March 1st in the states.
Nice Comparison I Like The 2024 Version So Far I May Get Them Later But 1989 Pair Still The Best OG Especially That Durabuck Upper And The 1999 Retro Too… I Have The OG Flight Shirt Somewhere Plus I Saw The Vintage Flight Tank Top Yesterday #OGOrBust
Outside of the damaged mid and bottom soles and the wing, those OG 89s are in really good condition. Another thing, Nike has done an exceptional job of reproducing Jordans which is why they've increased in resale value over the years.
Yep, deadstock ogs not easy to come by. A grail for me
What must we do to get them to get them as close as to the OG as possible. In this day and age, we have to have the technology to better replicate an original shoe to be as close as possible when recreated.
Absolutely, preach to the choir.. lol many customizers too for example with the AJ 1 are doing better than the brand, crazy
They would have to go the route that Nike did with the Air Max 90/III recrafts a few years ago. Completely recraft the shoe while using the originals for reference. While they weren’t spot on, the attention to detail was impressive and showed me that a close to accurate retro is possible.
@jonnyj7417 loved the 2020 am 90 run, so well done. Like you said not precise to og but really good. Comfortable too💯
Reimagined 4s don't have the SB retooling, they entered production before the SBs and it shows
Haven't had them in hand but friends who have both say they are pretty close. I'm sure there is some differences
Did the ‘89s have the pinky toe issue that every 4 since has had ? It seems like the original cut might not have had that issue due to that very different sloped shape. Just curious
I've never worn the og unfortunately, only knockoffs back in '89 lol.. with the durabuck though I'm guessing less rubbing lighter and at heel wider shoe and toe space might reflect that as well. Definitely more sloped toe, just perfection
@@ogorbust1697 ah I see, I’m always curious about that. I’ve had to go a half size up to avoid my pinky toes from being demolished. I can’t imagine MJ played in the originals with that issue
@mikeymike341 no, not at all. Remember the durabuck was more flexible too.
Is that a us size 11 on the 1989 jordan 4?🤔
Yep
Ok thank you
Straight 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Impressive how the grey rubber doesn’t seem to have yellowed after well over 30yrs
Yeah the netting doesn’t yellow on the 89s or 99s on white cements hate they cheaped out on every retro after.
Great materials and stored in box, slight oxidation 🤌🏻
They never going to get it right and they keep boosting the prices 🤦🏾♂️
Right.. they COULD but refuse to put the time and resources to do better, closer to the OG. 2s are damn near perfect, 3 is really close too.. it can be done
I sold my 2019 breds for the 2024 breds I felt like that’s how they should’ve been made in the 1st place
24 is much better than 19, that's the right move
I wonder what the Insole looks like on the og 89 pairs
Like the material the new ones are white polyurethane
If you're referring to nike branding and fabric I did add that in the video
@@ogorbust1697 the bottom of it the cushion the 2019 pair were white polyurethane
Great video! I feel Nike will eventually get it right but by that time the price will be 250 or more! Afraid to say but that’s marketing!
15:25 I honestly this reason alone is what keep you older heads from enjoying what we have now. Since 2000 besides the Black Metallic 5s and Fire Red 5s, when has it ever been a perfect retro to the OGs. After 20 years of retroing they’ve continuously showed that they’re not going back 100% true to the OG. Hell they advertised the 2020 Fire Red 4s as TRUE TO OG FORM and that was a lie. As we continue we want these sneakers back but buy them knowing we aren’t gonna be happy and satisfied. So why put yourself under the stress of disappointment 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I'm not stressed about them coming back properly but like I mentioned in the video they CAN do it, no reason why they can't with today's technology. 2s are now spot on most recent retros with the OG. 3s getting close too, justification needs to happen for price increases etc. Overall I have cut back heavily on retro Jordan purchases. Remastered program was supposed to be "og spec " more lies to charge more $$$
@@ogorbust1697 the thing I don’t understand how Jordan Brand get away with “false advertising” in a way. Wasn’t the Fire Red 4s the Jordan 4 that was supposed start the era for having the 1989 shape. But now 4 years later the SB 4s are the ones that supposedly have the true 89 shape. So which one is it lol
@K.A.L._4x just repeatedly lies from remastered line and on. 4s definitely not closer to og. 7s were pretty good though but not as advertised
@@ogorbust1697 also please don’t think I was being rude or disrespectful towards you in any way. I just view as that if you own the OGs, it’s like most of you guys who do own them don’t appreciate the things we do have in this day in time. I hear many people say Jordan Brand doesn’t use the durabuck that was used on the 1989 pair because the company that made it ran out of business. So it leaves confusion to how is things supposed to be exactly how they were if factories then doesn’t exist anymore. Hope you see what I’m trying to paint here
@K.A.L._4x all good man, no worries!
Jordan 4 black cements are my number 1 of all time. I think they did an excellent job with the 2024 reimagined. Im never getting rid of my pair. Strangely though, i couldn't stand my 2019 pair. I got rid of them. They felt so cheap and the shape was horrible. Pinky toe killers. Unlike the 89s, 99s and 24s.Just my opinion.
I'm totally with you on that.. so many people were like why don't you like the 2019?!? Straight garbage, tried liking them and overlooking details etc but sold them. These will be enjoyed!
Agreed. It was like forcing yourself to stay with a hot girlfriend that is constantly cheating on you.
As bad as it hurts(pinky toe and all) , I had to let em go. Lol
@@mauriciowinston5293 haha right, exactly!
The OGs look so sleek compared to the 2024 retro those look chunky
@zanegrano9592 this retro is much better than the 2019 but indeed, OG just a work of art, beautiful
We need a good AJ4 white cement. I gave my pair away to the local homeless Federation. The shape and cut was atrocious . Quality on my pair was embarrassing. Made me stop buying 4s till the 2019 BC (which are also blah)
..yep, another pair I sold. Before that 2012 retro one of the worst EVER😂
Where did the leather 6’s come from? Did the grade school pairs come in leather back then or was the durabuck purposely turned into leather.. one more theory. Did the durabuck turn into leather over time? Please don’t leave me hanging man, I have to know
GS were made from leather, not durabuck. Maybe nike felt kids were rougher on shoes so went with leather, more durable than durabuck. Durabuck more flexible though for performance
Cage is not rising on the newer pair nor do they come down as far as the og netting near the toe thats why i said OG ShApE WhErE
2024 may not be perfect but man they make 2019 so bad
This video should humble the Reimagined 4 hypebeast 😂😂
Yep Talking About These Better Than 1989 Pair Must Be Smoking Something Good 😂
I think the 2024 pair is the best since the OG but you can really notice the discrepancies side-by-side, especially on the medial side. Thanks for the review!
It’s definitely not the best retro since the OG. You must have been born after 2000 😂
1999 retros are the best retro and closet to the OG.
A lot of people favor the first retro but these are up there
Yeah ... we got the shoe
Nike is ripping everybody off with all Jordan retros. They charge us way more yet give us a severely inferior shoe. For some unknown reason they can never get the toe box correct. They can never get the all around shape correct and they use cheaper materials compared the originals. Ill be glad when Nike tanks and all of us customers can sit back and say "We told ya so"
I have the 2019 bred 4s and tbh I find them more comfortable than the 2024 reimagined 4s, they feel lighter on foot and the padding behind the tongue and and collar is good, the 2024 is a bit too much, it almost feels winterized no cap lol the only thing that sold me on 2024 is the leather but that's about it.
2019 toe box and off centered nike branding was just no way keeping lol
That hanging never existed on OG Jordans, they erred introduced when Retros arrived. So, I know those aren't 89s😅😅😅
@@DigitalNomad9209 hmmm... riiiiigght
These are literally the Bred Reimagined that released in Feb 😒 Why are you saying they’re OG Black Cements?
@taranorris6075 the colorway is black cement.. with leather being used it's considered "reimagined" without durabuck/nubuck etc
@@ogorbust1697 I know that, but your video description is still incorrect. These are the reimagined bred 4’s with black/cement/varsity red color way. The actual black cement Jordan, which are 3’s have the same cement pattern on the toe and back heel, as the box
@taranorris9526 the black cement 4 is the name of the shoe.. as the box reads from 1989. There is no "bred"
@@ogorbust1697 The box says Jordan 4 Retro and that’s literally the COLORS of the shoe that you’re referring to (Black, Fire Red, Cement Grey) but these are the Jordan 4 BRED reimagined in your video 🤦🏽♀️Just as all Jordan 4 boxes say “Jordan 4 Retro” and then go on to say what colors the shoes are. What do you call the Jordan 4 White Thunder or Yellow Thunder? Bc those boxes say black/white and yellow/black, respectively.
@@theeone1msnorris i don't think you're understanding that the original colorway of this shoe is black cement. The retro is black cement as well, reimagined with leather. Same exact colorway, black/cement
Nice break down but you left out one thing. They aren’t trying to make the same shoe, it’s a reimagined version of the original. It’s a completely different shoe man
The reimagined has to do with the materials.. not the shape. Materials most obvious of course, I mostly highlight how different the shape and cuts are from the original
They put durabuck on cheap shoes, AJ 4s are Nubuck. Those old 4s aren't 89s, I know because I bought them in high school.
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It's not supposed to be the same... its reimagined 😂
The material used is the "reimagined" aj 4 shape is never the same..
@ogorbust1697 gotta stop living I'm the past bro. You think nike kept the same molds since 1989 lol?
@UpNorthGrizz living in the past since I bought a retro? They can make them like the OG but refuse to, look at 2s for example, they are damn near perfect. And yes, they have all resources to do so
My pairs are shaped way better than this. You got a pad pair honestly.
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I don't think the 2019 pair was as horrible as said in this video I prefer the Durabuck more than this leather but I prefer the shape on reimagined, they gonna hold up better too
My biggest gripes were the toe box and off centered nike branding at heel. After a wear wears they just annoyed me more and more. If you don't like a shoe, sell it lol but yes, 2024 a step in right direction
Trash durabuck VS leather