The *NEW* Top 5 HIGHEST SPINNING Paddles (March 2024)
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- Опубликовано: 21 фев 2024
- BALLR HEAT
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14mm Volair Mach 2 Forza
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Diadem Edge 18k
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16mm Volair Mach 2 Forza
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Top 5 Pickleball Paddles for spin in 2024 measured and confirmed.
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Great honest reviews. Thanks for not being a sellout and providing great content and support for paddle performance rather than hype or cost.
Wow you’re very welcome! I really appreciate the kind words very much!
i bought a volair and very satisfied with it. really great control and very light. even without a led tape it's already very good. thanks for your recommendation.
Absolutely! Yeah it’s just such a quality paddle I love it. Glad you’re enjoying it and that my review translated well into your real life experience 😊
Thank you for this video, been waiting for this video! I'm playing with Mach 1 Forzda. I'm surprised the Gearbox Pro models didn't make this list.
You’re very welcome! And yeah me too but there’s so much competition in the space they got edged out. Crazy!
The BALLR Heat is an amazing paddle. For me, it is everything I need in a paddle at a great price. Great balance of power and control and as you mentioned, top tier spin. Don't hesitate if you are on the fence!
Totally agree. Not surprised it had so many solid mentions here.
Thanks for sharing! I agree :)
Love hearing this I just ordered One Today
I added ~3g of tungsten tape at the 4 and 8 o’clock (so a total of ~6g) and it has been perfect for me.
I am a lifelong tennis player that moved to pickleball. I am older and started playing long before the massive topspin style came about - yeah I know there was always topspin - but not like tennis in the modern era. Anyway, my tennis game is fairly flat but really wanted to get good spin as I ramped up my pickleball game. I saw this review and bought the Forza Mach 2 14" (thanks for the discount code). That paddle has massively improved my spin, control and my overall game. Mostly because of the confidence boost it has given me. I have not tried tape or anything. I love the quickness of the paddle. The 14" is a little smaller of a paddle than my Head, but I have had no sweet spot issues. I am excited to continue the pickleball journey with my Forza Mach 2.
Love this! So glad the video and the new paddle have improved your game and your experience. This is why I do what I do, comments like this! :)
Thanks for your detailed guide in paddles' spin. I have a quick question. If the paddles use the same face sheet, e.g. Toray T700 raw carbon, how, or why, can they generate different spin?
It’s mainly due to the peel ply texture being applied and how close they get to the boundaries set for legal limits. Better more optimized texture on the surface = more spin 😊
Hi there, I hope this helps answer your question.
Take Rafael Nadal in mens tennis for example: He hits the ball with the most RPMs in the game of tennis. Other pros could use the exact same stick and strings, but can't hit the ball with the same amount of spin. Why? It's because of the way he lifts up on the ball with acceleration and the finish of the stroke; The higher you raise your arm, the more spin topspin you get. Just take a look at where his hands finish after his strokes. Mass times acceleration= Force!
To get the most spin starts off by dropping the racket head well below the ball, and brushing up on it as you accelerate. Technique is the most important and having a good stick compliments it well. Cheers!
@@stspickleball Hi there, I hope this helps you understand the question a little better. Thanks for the review on the BALLR heat by the way!
Take Rafael Nadal in mens tennis for example: He hits the ball with the most RPMs in the game of tennis. Other pros could use the exact same stick and strings, but can't hit the ball with the same amount of spin. Why? It's because of the way he lifts up on the ball with acceleration and the finish of the stroke; The higher you raise your arm, the more spin topspin you get. Just take a look at where his hands finish after his strokes. Mass times acceleration= Force!
To get the most spin starts off by dropping the racket head well below the ball, and brushing up on it as you accelerate. Technique is the most important and having a good stick compliments it well. Cheers!
My current paddle is the Volair Mach 2 Forza 16mm as well. It was an adjustment going to that shorter paddle from elongated paddles but I did find that the faster hand speed paid off immediately with a higher win percentage in hands battles or anytime I just needed to react faster. I thought I would like the Mach 1 Forza 16mm more, so I got one and so far I'm not super impressed. My initial impression was a letdown. It just wasn't very forgiving and it felt softer than tghe Mach 2 Forza. However, I tried it without lead with much disappointment and then started adding lead. It plays significantly better now, but I'm already at 9oz using 2grm/inch lead starting at the bottom corners up to the middle of the sides. I'd be curious on your comparative thoughts between these two paddles.
I really like the Mach 1 Forza with lead at the 4 and 8 o'clock positions. But, yes.. Overall I think the Mach 2 Forza is far more forgiving and has better spin numbers. It's just a better paddle. Volair really nailed that one. Really the only thing I like better about the Mach 1 is my drives as long as it has lead tape :)
The exposed polymer on the 18k did bother me as well when I sampled it. The way I grip it, I can feel the "edge" biting into my fingers. The name "Edge" is so fitting on this paddle. LOL!
LOL right? 100% agree. Just feels cheap, but the spin is pretty crazy and it's very durable so it's a shame the handle is so crap.
I've been using the Volair Mach 2 Forza 16mm for about a month (3.5-4.0 play) and still adjusting to it. I switched to a very low grip (a la JMV) to help offset the reach and to get even more wrist mobility but there are always a couple points in a game where I miss it. That being said, my very loopy top spin serves surprise a lot of people and I've been able to use a lot of side spin on dinks. It took a long time to get a consistent slice since the spin was almost too good on it that the back spin would make the ball die short of the net when I'd hit it from the baseline or transition zone. I just ordered the HUDEF Viva Pro Gen2 to test out a power paddle (I've been using a ProDrive Drive before the volair) since I do tend to gravitate towards a banger play style.
Dang!! Sounds like you’re getting some crazy spin. That’s so cool man. Yeah the Hudef Viva Pro Gen 2 is super powerful. Will be very interesting to see what your experience is with it!
Have you had a chance to play with the Hudef yet? Thoughts?
I have the Volair 16 mm Mach 2 forza. Did you feel the need to add any lead tape to the four and 8 o’clock positions due to its light static weight?
I actually really enjoy it with 4-5 inches of 1g/in lead tape starting 1inch out from the grip going up the throat into the sides of the paddle. Helps me with my serves and drives for sure but it does slow the paddle down a bit at the kitchen. I still like the weight though!
Really enjoyed the reviews. I currently have the Joola Perseus which has really helped my game. However, I really want to add to my collection, I’m stuck between the Red Ruby, Holbrook Power Pro and now I really like the Mach 2 and the Baller based on your review. Help me make a decision 😂
On a serious note, I’d like to know your thoughts on which paddle you’d do.
Out of those options I would highly recommend the Mach 2 and the BALLR. I would grab the Mach 2 if you want a more control oriented paddle with the highest spin in the game right now, and the BALLR if you want the best all court paddle / spin for the price (it just does everything very well). I would personally skip the Ruby and the Holbrook :)
Have u tried ProXR? Insanely beat spin of any paddle and spin loss is amazing. However sweet spot is small so lead tape is required. I don’t recommend the paddle but n other paddle has more spin.
Yes it's not top 5 in my testing but it does have solid spin for sure!!
Thanks, Steven! Appreciate your work and insights. :)
My pleasure!
I'd sacrifice some initial rpm for logevity and consistency over time. Who does this best in your opinion? Lots of factors with composition/materials and dwell time...
I mean again as far as bang for the buck the BALLR Heat because you could get 2 of them for the price of something like a Gearbox Pro Power paddle which will last likely the longest of any paddle on the market but is twice the price and likely too powerful and poppy for 90% of players. The BALLR Heat is utilizing Japanese Toray T700 carbon fiber and is getting great initial spin numbers. Kevlar is nice but it is a bit of a buzz word. Unique properties for sure but doesn’t hold up quite as well in my testing.
I like the fairness, balance, and cost consciousness of these reviews.
Thank you very much that means a lot to me for real!
Ruby feels like sandpaper at first... few months in feels like paper
I was expecting much more spin loss due to the feeling but the spin loss wasn't terrible in my testing. Not perfect either though.
I felt the same way about mine. I noticed it a lot on dinking as it feels like the paddle is slipping off and not grabbing like I’m used to. In drive and hard serves I think the spin is applied more there.
Yep. Same here
I play the Muvn Gruvn 13 mm and the Komodo Katana 16 mm. I believe they both would hold their own against the paddles mentioned here. I played lots of competitive ping pong and I gravitate toward short handle, wide bodied paddles. Solid list here.
Thanks man! Yeah they get good spin but not in the top 5. Solid paddles though 100%
Awesome -- thank you Steven! Can you explain how exactly you measure spin rate?
Of course! I have a fairly newly upgraded 240fps camera and I mark a pickleball in sharpie covering 3/4 of the ball. I do 20 serves and then come home and go frame per frame counting how many frames at 240fps it takes for the ball to make one clean revolution. I then plug that into an RPM calculator and it gives me the RPM 😊
Wow! Thanks for that. You are definitely putting in a lot of time and effort contributing to the pb community -- much appreciated! I think I will go with the 16mm Forza and for sure use the link (and code!) for my purchase. Keep up the great work!
@@CallMeHarris thanks man!! I really appreciate it. I’ll use the little kickback to grab a coffee and keep the reviews coming 😎🙏
Would love to hear about the Nexus Shroud Phaze 1 I think it’s one of the best paddles released this year!
Interesting! I’ll check it out for sure!
Curious what lead set up you’d recommend on the Mach 2, if any?
Well stability wise it really doesn’t need any lead tape. I do like some weight to my paddles as it helps my timing a bit so you can try 4-5 inches of 1g/in lead tape starting 1 inch out from the grip going up the throat into the sides of the paddle! 😊 and if that puts too much strain on your wrist then you can just use it stock as it’s just fine stock as well 😊
I’ve been playing with a Vatic Pro Flash 16 mm for exactly a year now. I’ve won a couple 3.0 tournaments with it and love the paddle still but I want something new to replenish grit and hopefully get a longer grip. I’m not sure why I’m turned off by the DBD and Ruby. Maybe an elongated also. Do you have any recommendations that come to mind quick?
Definitely the BALLR Pro or the new Honolulu J2K!
Thanks for your honest review. Good vid.
You're very welcome :) I hope it was helpful
I just got a Gamma Obsidian 16 how would you compare that spin and longevity with the lineup? I’m fairly new to pickleball and I love honesty and how active you are in the comments!!!
The Gamma Obsidian 16 comes in around 1850rpm. Not a bad paddle! Good materials but not very high in spin compared to these top paddles 😊 and I love chatting about paddles so I love the comments I receive haha thanks!
Not sure if you are aware because they are a pretty new to the scene, but Proton makes CRAZY good spin. it uses a coating over CF called NanoTac. It also seems to be lasting a long time for both my wife and I.
I am aware! I am talking with them now trying to get some for a review. Very interested and rather excited to try them! :)
How long is a long time?
Hi Steven, thanks for your videos, they really help sort out what paddles are suitable to players. I need a little help with your suggestion. I am a CONTROL and SPIN player (3.0 - 4.0) so can you give me at least 3 paddle brand and model that I should try next? (Selkirk, Joola, Volair, Vatic, CRBN, Gearbox, 6.0, etc.) THANKS so much.
Volair Mach 2 Forza 16 or 14mm both amazing, Honolulu J2K (non pro model the red one or blue one), Gruvn MUVN 16V all can be discounted with code STSPICKLEBALL
Hi Steven, I have a JOOLA Ben Johns Hyperion CAS 16 Pickleball Paddle that is due for a change - grip is now non existent at sweetspot center. What would you recommend? Thanks - Love your video
Depends on what you’re looking for from a paddle. Do you value control or power more? What skill level are you?
Very useful information. can I know which one will you choose Ruby or Mach 2 Forza?
I am back and forth with them and enjoying both. If you like a solid all around paddle I'd go ruby, and if you prefer something with a MASSIVE sweet spot, and very controllable I would go with the Mach 2 Forza 16mm :). For the record I have been pulling the Mach 2 Forza out more often than the Ruby :)
@@stspickleball thank you very much for the quick reply! Now I have a 16m DBD as my primary paddle, so I want to get a Mach 2 Forza 16mm. What do you think?
I think if you want something even softer and more control oriented and value your dinks / drops over drives and banging then I think it would be a great decision to rotate that in!
Hey Steven, really curious what you think about the Joola Hyperion C2. Any thoughts on doing a review for it?
I tried it. It’s another overpriced mediocre paddle from a company that could and should be innovating FAR better paddle tech in the space. I would take a 14mm or 16mm Mach 2 Forza over it any day. Or if you want that shape I’d take a Mach 1 Forza over that any day as well, it has more spin than the C2, better sweet spot, and better quality control. 😊
Will you be reviewing the spin on the new Proton paddle (Series One, Type A Tournament) who make the claim they generate more spin than any other. While your add it, please advise on the twist weight and swing weight of same in the 11 and 15 mm versions. thank you
I will indeed! And I will have swing weight snd twist weight numbers for them!
I’m excited to see more about the protons
What about the black diamond power paddle? John Kew had that over 2200 consistently and the rough texture from the first batch which they brought back over 2300
It is super solid! Around 2200 on a good paddle. So right up there near the top for sure!
I have the Ruby. I should’ve just got the DBD since they feel the same, and you can at least clean the surface of the DBD… unlike the Kevlar of the Ruby.
Also, the legacy pro air looks and feels incredible. Definitely want to test it out soon. Would love to hear some reviews on it.
I will say in my testing the Ruby had almost 300 rpm more spin and feels a bit more aggressive on drives and serves. And for not much extra money. I think you should be happy with your purchase! :)
Thanks!
Wow thank you so much! That’s very generous of you I’m glad I could help!! 🙏🙏
Curious to see how the new neonic flow stacks up in this list!
Same! Mine should arrive next week.
Will be testing it very soon! :)
@@bmo28x Exciting man!! I haven't shot my B-Roll footage of it yet and I always have to wait to get some clean footage of the unused paddle before taking it out for a spin lol
Came here to say this ❤ the Flow is the spinniest paddle I've played with
Does seem like a solid paddle!
great video! thanks for letting me use a paddle the other day! youre a legend!
You’re very welcome man!! Appreciate the good vibes 🙏😊
Thank you for review and the promo c. Could you please refer to video showing players realizing spin of above 2000RPMs in their shots. Is the PB technique still developing like it used to be in tennis when topspin shots with high racquet speed became dominant technique? Are there pros who able to reach rated spin capacity on 3rd shot?
Those spin numbers are serves only. Drives and third shot drops will be relative though of course to how much more or less spin the paddle has in comparison to others on the market though of course. For me, more is always better.
You should of done the thermo formed version 18k power pro
best paddle I have ever used. So balanced
Solid paddle indeed! I'm glad you liked it!
7 months in, the Mach 1 Forzda has had a huge drop in spin. Its affected my drives big time, I actually started playing with a cheap $50 paddle I bought for my gf and getting more spin. I guess I am just going to have to buy a new paddle every 6 months! boo!
Yeah that's about the sweet spot where a new paddle is likely necessary if you're playing regularly and value spin etc :)
Do you have any opinion on the Proton series one Type A?
Thanks.
I haven’t received one yet (I should soon) but from what I know it’s a great paddle with incredible spin!
Great review. I have a question. I'm an intermediate player who played tennis for 20 years and use a lot of topspin. I've gone through several paddles that have lost their texture/grit in the sweet spot after 2-3 months, which is incredibly frustrating because even being able to demo paddles won't tell you if they will wear down. (I am currently using a Volair Mach 2 Forza 14mm which seems to be maintaining pretty well.) Is this what you are referring to in the last part of the video when you mention "loss of spin"? And other than reading tons of reviews online is there a way to know what the durability (if that's the right word) for a paddle is regarding its spin? Thanks!
I would say if you want to maintain the highest spin over time you'd have to go with a paddle using multi directional layers of carbon fiber and the only ones doing that to my knowledge is Gearbox specifically their Pro series. Otherwise it's all pretty relative as long as it's high quality T700 or Dupont Kevlar. If you play a ton and rip the ball like a tennis player it's going to wear down the face quite a bit. Oh! Actually the Proton paddles maintain their spin for a LONG time they actually have a lifetime warranty and have great quality paddles. You can get them on pickleball central I believe now and use code STSPICKLEBALL on their and if you don't like it just send it back.
Thanks!
What about the 18k Pro . It’s awesome I love it !! It’s way improved . Longer grip etc….
Yeah that’s a solid one too for sure!
I completely realized that it's a petty little thing, but I hate the red color of the Ruby. Otherwise, I'm would probably try buying that I think I'm going to go with the BALLR.
Fair enough the BALLR is a wonderful choice :)
Hey Steven, I know you must be reviewing paddles all the time but which is your personal goto paddle on or off this list?
I really love the J2K, the Mach 2 Forza 14mm, and I mess around with the Gearbox Pro Power Fusion aswell :)
@@stspickleball thanks, I'll check those out!
You said the surface looks like sand paper, but is not PB rules prohibit this? Could you please advise if there are mechanical characteristics of surface grit and texture friction. Are there any formal rule enforcing rule “Anti-skid paint, any paint containing sand, rubber particles, or any material promoting additional spin.”
Companies have to have their paddles approved by USAPA. So these are approved yes.
What is the twistweight and swingweight on ballrheat?
Go watch my review on it! You’ll get tons of solid info about it 😊
Apparently the new neonic flow also gets ridiculously good spin
So I keep hearing. I have it sitting next to me I just haven't had a chance to get it tested spin wise yet. I'll have to get some footage of it so I can take it out and test it! :)
Gotta get the proton series 1 on here boss
Working on it! I’ll have a couple on the way soon. Apparently they are having inventory issues right now.
I am currently using the Diadem 18K pro power. It's the best spin paddle I have ever used and I have tried many different paddles. Plus, it is thermoformed. I added a rubber type slide on paddle grip which reduces vibration and elbow/arm problems. I do not feel any soft spot in the handle and that could be due to the grip type.
Very nice! Yeah it’s a solid paddle for sure. Great spin indeed I’m glad you like it!!
Do you know what the spin loss is on the Gearbox pro power after 3 to 4 months?
Like 150 it’s not much they have the least spin loss of basically all paddles!
1:59 I suspect it’s true if you were blindfolded they would play the same cause you would just be waving paddles around not knowing where the ball is.
😂😂 it’s more about the concept than the practicality but yes that made me laugh
@@stspickleball I knew what you meant. Just busting your chops.
Hahaha I figured definitely made me laugh lolol
Hi Steven,
How would you compare the Baller Heat, the Velocity’s Apex PrecisionX, the J2K, the new Generic Carbon Pickle Pro Series, And the Vatic Pro Carbon Fiber? Im the power guy who want to hit hard without worry about the ball flying off the end line.
Thanks
If you want to hit it hard get the BALLR Heat, if you want some control added to the mix grab the J2K. Skip the others 😊
@@stspickleball you’re the best. Just ordered the J2k, wont have it till end of May😥. Thanks bro
You're welcome it's definitely worth the wait!
Any chance you’ll review the seemingly new “king” of control from Selkirk? (The vanguard control)
Honestly, I have quite a few on the list right now. I’d like to but from what I’m hearing and seeing it’s not anything particularly special. But I will be trying to make some time for it regardless!
See if you can get your hands on a proton series one - 15mm - nano tech coating. They’re making some crazy claims. Id like to hear your take.
They have been saying they are going to send me their line of paddles for a while but they are low on materials or something? I dunno haha I’m just being patient 😂
Have you tried the Mark Kinetic?
I have indeed! Top tier spin around 2100rpm, a bit poppy, solid power. Great paddle. I have a review coming out in a couple weeks on it. Doing a lot of testing with it right now!
@@stspickleball nice! Very interested in seeing how it compares to the ruby too!
Have you tested the spin rate of the CRBN 1X or 3X? How far off is this brand from your Top 5 spinners?
Yeah they are in the mid 1900s so around 300-400rpm off
Any suggestion on a sub 100$ paddle? Ex tennis player, young and fast with good power already. Likely want control
Honestly for you it’s not under 100 but I’d get the Mach 2 Forza 14mm. Or the BALLR Heat 😊
Hey buddy. There’s a channel called Top 5 Defined Tech using your video footage. Thought you should know.
Thank you!! I really appreciate this a lot actually. I reported them :)
How r u ? How about the 18k pro version? Can you do a review on the rayox hurricane.
Now you got me curious with the Mach 2 😂😂😂
Pro version is much firmer and has a bit less spin. I don’t like it quite as much actually as the 18k carbon fiber is already firmer than t700 and that coupled with it being thermoformed feels like too much rigidity overall.
Dude the Mach 2 Forza and the BALLR Heat are 10/10 paddles I love them.
Can you review the new Selkirk Vanguard Control?
Looking into it!
Did you try the Proton?
I have one coming soon so I will do a review when I receive it. I’ve heard good things though!
I was curious as to the grip on the proton as well.
Yeah I’m pretty stoked to give that paddle a go.
@@stspickleball Looking forward to your review. I talked to the owner. The lifetime warranty on the surface to guarantee that the spin lasts forever is a bit 'insane' of warranty. I talked with the owner and he's quite proud of it, understandably.
@@2musiclover534 that’s wild I know right! Man if that’s true they might be on to something though. Everyone is hyper focused on longevity and durability right now for sure.
Can you explain what’s the difference between $200 paddle vs. $35 one? 😊
Better power, way larger sweet spot, way more spin, better feeling off the face, less jarring when you hit the ball, better control, better grip on the ball when you hit it. More premium feel grip wise and weighting.
would you mind doing a Video on Footwear for pickleball?
I can look into it! I’m not a pro on footwear but I definitely know what I like. For me the top two picks are ASICS Gel Resolution 9, and Babolat Jet Mach 2. I’d go ASICS if you want something more stable and supportive, and Babolat if you want something a bit more lightweight and mobile.
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@@stspickleball Your honesty and approach to providing these reviews is top notch. Love that the Heat got some well deserved love in this video. And 500rpm drop in 3 months for the Ruby??? Ouch. But help me understand... I keep hearing about "peel ply" or some sort of coating that goes on top of the CF or Kevlar surface that ultimately determines the grit/spin. If that's true, does that mean the coating on the Ruby just wears faster due to it being more aggressive vs the Heat?
So the peel ply is placed onto the face of the paddle before it’s all essentially pressed together. To my current knowledge the peel ply is placed there with a texture imbedded into it and then once the paddle is pressed together whether that be in a thermoformed or non thermoformed way the peel ply is then pulled off leaving a textured surface. Essentially imprinting the face material with the peel ply’s textured pattern. So the surface is carbon fiber or Kevlar still there’s nothing on top. Again this is to my knowledge. So the Kevlar is a textured Kevlar on top or a textured carbon fiber on top and will thus wear down based on the integrity of that material. And thank you very much for your kind words I really appreciate it.
Whoa. Solid info. Thank you!
Hey what’s your preference between the 14mm and 16mm Mach 2 Forza and why?
It was the 16 at first but I recently tried the 14mm and that’s my favorite. With some lead tape at the 4 and 8 o’clock positions it has more pop for hand battles, insane spin, and still maintains that huge sweet spot. One of my favorite paddles right now for sure.
The volair is honestly ridiculous on spin almost feels illegal lol
Freaking insane right??
@@stspickleball my buddy let me try his brand new mach 2 and it’s unreal. I just ordered one. Comes in Monday I can’t wait lol 😂
Insane spin lol. Glad you loved it man! Awesome paddle 😊 I bet you’re very excited haha
@@stspickleball oh def excited!! Thanks for the discount code by the way 💪🏻
You're very welcome!
What’s the difference between plush and soft?
Really the same thing 😊
Just so you're aware the Ruby paddle link is not working. 404 error
Yeah I just checked seems to be an issue with their site as if you go to Six Zeros site the Ruby page is a 404 error. Must be updating something.
why did you delete your video on the lead placement???
Because my numbers weren’t correct as I didn’t have the updated more accurate attachment! 😵💫 so I finally got the attachment in and released the updated video today!!
Navratil?
Solid but not top!
nice!@@stspickleball