I was ordered to do one of these by my previous judge. I'm in Arizona. I'll break down the statutes regarding this for my state. Before ordering evaluations, the trial court is supposed to evaluate all parties ability to pay for evaluations. Chances are, if the court is going to order to have to do one of these, the judge has already turned on you, and doesn't like you. If your ex has an attorney, they will claim their client also can't pay. So the way the trial judge orders this, is they say, "it's in the best interest of the child...." And have whoever they want pay for this. This is often the parent who is ordered to do one. There is no doubt that when this happens, and you are not the high conflict parent, that your case will be protracted. You covered this in "how abusers win", but you also have to look up the statutes and case law for what you need to prove once a judge does find that you need to do a psych eval. In my case, I ended up getting professional help to side with me, and show the courts that I did everything that was expected of me. A narcissist is counting on their victim who already was financially abused to not being able to pay for this service. It's amazing how quickly the accusations of mental illness can arise and how quickly a narcissist can move on from the accusation once they see it doesn't have lasting leverage. So even if you do get diagnosed with a mental illness, and some victims of abuse do, get a therapist to sign an affidavit stating you are taking care of yourself, and get others to testify that you are a responsible parent. This stuff happens. If this is in criminal court, there are private investigators who are hired by criminal defense attorneys to write mitigation reports. I know someone who does this for a living. She is hired to defend the defendant, by listing all mitigating circumstances involved in a crime. She fights hard for the accused. It may be worth getting one of those during a criminal proceeding.
I’ve seen in some child custody hearing videos they look at the parties insurance coverage as a means to pay for it. Usually if the other party is asking for it then they must pay. If the court is asking for it then the person who is asked must pay. However, in my research I find that even if there is some kind of psych evaluation the courts are very lenient to give the person an opportunity to fix them selves if not in the parties favor. And the other side of that if someone doesn’t agree, then there’s a lot of issues and it’s very possible the courts will see they’re unwilling to cooperate and not in the best interest of the children. And it could drag on for years because of it the court has a tendency to keep giving options and choices. It becomes years long temporary orders.
During informal negotiations, my ex requested that I complete a psych eval. I contacted the psychologist they wanted to use for the eval. He required all parties have a psych eval. This included your children. He charged $5,000 per person and only accepted cash payment. There was an additional fee of $300 per hour if he had to testify in court. I contacted another nineteen mental health care providers to find out their prices. Less than a third of them did psych evals related to child custody cases. The main reason given for not doing them was because the tests used in psych evals don't indicate how good of a parent a person is. That led me to do my own research on the accuracy of those tests. Some of them had up to a fifty percent chance of giving a wrong diagnosis.
It hardly ever stops with just a psych eval. There are usually other professionals who get involved, and it becomes a never ending issue with lazy therapist who are only in it for money. In my case, we had a custody eval going on during the custody eval. After looking into my ex, the evaluator recommended that my ex do all kinds of other evaluations. It seemed like a trap of never ending therapist. We settled on that round of litigation
If I've already done one and paid 100% of the cost for. Can they order another and have me pay for that one too? High Conflict case and back in court yet again!
I took one submitted it and the judge never acknowledged it and now he ordered another one which I can't afford another one so now I haven't seen my kids in over 2 and 3/4 years because they can't understand how I was denied my rights to a fair hearing
I have a question : currently in NJ there are no rules for how much a evaluator can charge and there is no oversight. They literally charge anything for any any reason. Most people I have heard paid 25k just for evaluation when the evaluator barely spends 12 -15 hours per case and write a lame 15 page report . Many times report is just he said she said stuff which has no value in court. How can we ask the court make some rules so that these psychologists stop cheating people?
With my case the mother call CPS because I spank my kids with a belt. CPS said they substantiated evidence of physical abuse. Through my court case as I’m still going through it right now. I filed first. Then the mother came up with allegations of violence and very abusive. So one of my friends told me about a 730 evaluation. I hired a lawyer and I requested a 730 evaluation. That I’m on my first week of. From my experience when I requested it, the judge looked at us like we were crazy then asked who will pay it. I said I will. The next court date we have to confirm 730 evaluator basically what they do is they tell you to pick three evaluate is within 30 days and the mother or father will pick one if they do not respond within the 30 days then the person who requested it picks. When we went back to court two weeks ago for confirmation of 730 the mother did try to get out of it. Because she did not have a lawyer, so she agreed to the 730 evaluation, then changed her mind a couple months later, which was over ruled by. The judge said that since it’s already paid by me and that he thinks that it is in the best interest of the kids he overruled her. But also if one party pays, it could be split up as 50-50. 20-80 who ever requested or makes the most money will have to pay it, but if it comes out in your favor, then you can also request lawyer fees, and the money back. Don’t give me wrong it’s a very very very very very expensive right now. I put $4000 retainer plus extra $4000 for the rest. But in my case I’m just tired of dealing with the bullshit so I think that if you really want to get everything open in court a 730 is the way to go. Just make sure you’re in a stable mental place. Physically and emotionally. But I also want to say that when you request something like that, especially when you’re going through when I’m going through I noticed that it seem like the judge is more in your favor because they know you have nothing to hide because he was all for it and sign the papers and read everything quick. Also, this is good for anybody. Who’s going through a very very very high complicates case. Of lies especially with CPS.
Cant a manipylator just hide their mental issues during these ? My ex is a master manipulator and abuser who’s been told by our judge to do one but knowing him I just know he’ll finesse his way around the evaluation & try to be as cool and kind as possible
I was ordered to do one of these by my previous judge. I'm in Arizona. I'll break down the statutes regarding this for my state. Before ordering evaluations, the trial court is supposed to evaluate all parties ability to pay for evaluations. Chances are, if the court is going to order to have to do one of these, the judge has already turned on you, and doesn't like you. If your ex has an attorney, they will claim their client also can't pay. So the way the trial judge orders this, is they say, "it's in the best interest of the child...." And have whoever they want pay for this. This is often the parent who is ordered to do one. There is no doubt that when this happens, and you are not the high conflict parent, that your case will be protracted. You covered this in "how abusers win", but you also have to look up the statutes and case law for what you need to prove once a judge does find that you need to do a psych eval. In my case, I ended up getting professional help to side with me, and show the courts that I did everything that was expected of me. A narcissist is counting on their victim who already was financially abused to not being able to pay for this service. It's amazing how quickly the accusations of mental illness can arise and how quickly a narcissist can move on from the accusation once they see it doesn't have lasting leverage. So even if you do get diagnosed with a mental illness, and some victims of abuse do, get a therapist to sign an affidavit stating you are taking care of yourself, and get others to testify that you are a responsible parent. This stuff happens. If this is in criminal court, there are private investigators who are hired by criminal defense attorneys to write mitigation reports. I know someone who does this for a living. She is hired to defend the defendant, by listing all mitigating circumstances involved in a crime. She fights hard for the accused. It may be worth getting one of those during a criminal proceeding.
Thank you so much for posting this
I’ve seen in some child custody hearing videos they look at the parties insurance coverage as a means to pay for it. Usually if the other party is asking for it then they must pay. If the court is asking for it then the person who is asked must pay. However, in my research I find that even if there is some kind of psych evaluation the courts are very lenient to give the person an opportunity to fix them selves if not in the parties favor. And the other side of that if someone doesn’t agree, then there’s a lot of issues and it’s very possible the courts will see they’re unwilling to cooperate and not in the best interest of the children. And it could drag on for years because of it the court has a tendency to keep giving options and choices. It becomes years long temporary orders.
Most of the major health insurance companies will not cover court-ordered psych evals. That is one thing many judges and attorneys get wrong.
@@chuckler7311 I have no doubt about that.
During informal negotiations, my ex requested that I complete a psych eval. I contacted the psychologist they wanted to use for the eval. He required all parties have a psych eval. This included your children. He charged $5,000 per person and only accepted cash payment. There was an additional fee of $300 per hour if he had to testify in court. I contacted another nineteen mental health care providers to find out their prices. Less than a third of them did psych evals related to child custody cases. The main reason given for not doing them was because the tests used in psych evals don't indicate how good of a parent a person is. That led me to do my own research on the accuracy of those tests. Some of them had up to a fifty percent chance of giving a wrong diagnosis.
It hardly ever stops with just a psych eval. There are usually other professionals who get involved, and it becomes a never ending issue with lazy therapist who are only in it for money. In my case, we had a custody eval going on during the custody eval. After looking into my ex, the evaluator recommended that my ex do all kinds of other evaluations. It seemed like a trap of never ending therapist. We settled on that round of litigation
If I've already done one and paid 100% of the cost for. Can they order another and have me pay for that one too? High Conflict case and back in court yet again!
They can. It only happens sometimes. In Greg Ellis' book The Respondent he had to pay for multiple.
@@TheProperPerson
Thank you.
Good topic
but what if both parents are showing signs of mental illness? because that’s my current situation in my family
I took one submitted it and the judge never acknowledged it and now he ordered another one which I can't afford another one so now I haven't seen my kids in over 2 and 3/4 years because they can't understand how I was denied my rights to a fair hearing
I have a question : currently in NJ there are no rules for how much a evaluator can charge and there is no oversight. They literally charge anything for any any reason. Most people I have heard paid 25k just for evaluation when the evaluator barely spends 12 -15 hours per case and write a lame 15 page report . Many times report is just he said she said stuff which has no value in court.
How can we ask the court make some rules so that these psychologists stop cheating people?
They have rules committees but it’s likely they won’t listen.
Mine spent a total of about 1 hr 15 talking with me and that was over 3 different meetings.
With my case the mother call CPS because I spank my kids with a belt. CPS said they substantiated evidence of physical abuse. Through my court case as I’m still going through it right now. I filed first. Then the mother came up with allegations of violence and very abusive. So one of my friends told me about a 730 evaluation. I hired a lawyer and I requested a 730 evaluation. That I’m on my first week of. From my experience when I requested it, the judge looked at us like we were crazy then asked who will pay it. I said I will. The next court date we have to confirm 730 evaluator basically what they do is they tell you to pick three evaluate is within 30 days and the mother or father will pick one if they do not respond within the 30 days then the person who requested it picks. When we went back to court two weeks ago for confirmation of 730 the mother did try to get out of it. Because she did not have a lawyer, so she agreed to the 730 evaluation, then changed her mind a couple months later, which was over ruled by. The judge said that since it’s already paid by me and that he thinks that it is in the best interest of the kids he overruled her. But also if one party pays, it could be split up as 50-50. 20-80 who ever requested or makes the most money will have to pay it, but if it comes out in your favor, then you can also request lawyer fees, and the money back. Don’t give me wrong it’s a very very very very very expensive right now. I put $4000 retainer plus extra $4000 for the rest. But in my case I’m just tired of dealing with the bullshit so I think that if you really want to get everything open in court a 730 is the way to go. Just make sure you’re in a stable mental place. Physically and emotionally. But I also want to say that when you request something like that, especially when you’re going through when I’m going through I noticed that it seem like the judge is more in your favor because they know you have nothing to hide because he was all for it and sign the papers and read everything quick. Also, this is good for anybody. Who’s going through a very very very high complicates case. Of lies especially with CPS.
Cant a manipylator just hide their mental issues during these ? My ex is a master manipulator and abuser who’s been told by our judge to do one but knowing him I just know he’ll finesse his way around the evaluation & try to be as cool and kind as possible
Of course.