Are Ergonomic Keyboards a Load of Bullsh*t!? 5 Ergonomic Myths
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- Join us as we debunk 5 Ergonomic Myths and Misconceptions about ergonomic keyboards! We will guide you through the facts to help you make an informed decision on what's the best ergonomic split keyboard that can maximize and enhance your productivity and comfort.
After watching this, you'll be able to answer the question yourself! Are Ergonomic Keyboards a Load of Bullsh*t? Are ergonomic keyboards really better? Or are split keyboards even worth it? 🤔
Get your Dygma Raise or Dygma Defy Keyboard now.
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00:00 Intro
00:49 What is Ergonomics?
01:31 #1 Negative tilt is a must
03:16 #2 Flat keyboards are better than sloped
05:24 #3 Tenting rulez, every other way sucks!
07:39 #4 Keyboards with a keywell are more ergonomic
09:40 #5 Thumbkeys will always be ergonomic
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▶️ I REGRET Buying an Ergonomic Keyboard...
• I REGRET Buying an Erg...
▶️ 28 prototypes later: the Dygma Defy 60º tenting story
• 28 prototypes later: t...
▶️ The benefits of tenting your keyboard ⛺ 👍
• The benefits of tentin...
▶️ The 7 things that make a keyboard ERGONOMIC
• The 7 Things That Make...
▶️ The secret to sitting straight is your keyboard
• The secret to sitting ...
▶️ The new Dygma Defy
• The new Dygma Defy - T...
▶️ Benefits and features of the new Dygma Defy ergonomic keyboard
• Benefits and features ...
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What other ErgonoMyths would you like us to test?
Ergonomic keyboard users are sweaty neckbeards
The biggest myth I would say is that any review that rates a product as the “most ergonomic” should be judging them on how many adjustable features it has
Because to be really ergonomic, it needs to be all these different things, not just one way for all people
So, just like you say, the most ergonomically tinting solution is to have the widest range of tenting options
The most ergonomic keywell / flat solution would adjust to your hand size and preference
The most ergonomic keyboard would be sculpted to the individual user
When I see click bait reviews like that they make me sad for what people are missing out on. Because there have really never been this many ergonomic options for keyboards. But at the same time, there seem to be kind of a wild west, without a lot of very clear science behind what are, and are not the best practices, as this video points out.
I remember seeing some articles that sort of pointed out that studies were funded by some keyboard manufacturers who had a vested interest
It would be nice to see some stronger science
I would love to see a video comparing the different keyboard layouts. dvorak vs norman vs a simple qwerty
Myth: the perfect desk height is 30 inches. As someone who just finished his first complete year at a 100% sedentary job I am REALLY questioning the 30” desk height because every chair, keyboard, and wrist rest are unique.
But sit/stand desks are expensive!! (Many sit/stand desks go as low as 27 inches in height)
Ortho? I have heard that it is great on split keyboards, but arguably even worse on non-split. Obviously, your product is not ortho, so your video may be biased, but I think there is certainly a market for your product, even if ortho is superior (people who want ergonomics but can't be bothered to learn ortho)
Great stuff as always Nixee, will be showing this to my students this year!
Thank you Wim! Let me know their impressions! :)
It would be lovely if you did an unboxing video of Dygma Defy to show the packaging, and what's inside the box from the perspective of a customer.
That's an excellent idea. It's been noted and jotted down in our video pipeline 😉
I'm not sure this is a wise idea. I'm impatiently waiting for my keyboard and to see that would make me drool and lust for it even more.
As a kid, I fell off of my bike and sprained my wrist. Ever since, I'll get chronic pain if I strain that wrist too hard. Wrist pronation from typing on a normal keyboard for too long counts, so ErgonoMyth 3 is absolutely confirmed in my case. In fact, your dedicated and more robust tenting kit is why I bought the Raise instead of the Moonlander (that and I wanted a Defy, so I figured I'd get used to your tech before that finally released).
Sorry to hear about your wrists, but happy that our products are helping!!
This is great! Your scriptwriting has improved massively in the last 2 videos or so... Love it!
Oh wow! Thank you so much! We're glad you loved it!
Yup, I've been quite impressed with Dygma's videos. From providing updates on thought process behind the keyboard, useful information such as this about ergonomics, the beautiful backgrounds and subject, and the funny clips are fun to watch. I can't think of another product that does all that.
Aaand... SO excited to get this keyboard. Not only do I want a keyboard that look fantastic, but I can see where the additional ergonomics beyond what I have currently with my Moonlander will definitely be welcome. I can type on a flat keyboard for as little as 30 minutes and it leaves my hands and wrists burning. (Not just old age, I've been this way since my late 20's and we won't discuss how long that has been. I spend a *lot* of time in front of a computer, and I clock in close to 100wpm, which equates to a lot of keystrokes! So yeah, the increased ergonomics are exciting. I think another that has not been mentioned is the slight curve in the keys dude to the Cherry profile. Right now my moonlander has a flat set of keys. From what I can see the Dygma has more of a curved approach (slight key well) due to the fact that not all keycaps are the same size as the others, from what I can tell. I'm on a laptop right now, btw.. and just writing this has made my wrist and hands burn.
It is kind of sad to see less views on your videos despite of being top notch. But keep making these vids, you guys are awesome.
Don't be sad! We're always doing our best when we create our videos - from the research, to the scriptwriting, to production, and post-production. Getting lots of views on YT takes time :) Hopefully in a year from now, you'll see our channel, and we will have grown 1 million in subscribers! Well, maybe 100,000 is a more realistic number 😂 Regardless, as long as we make videos we're proud of and get positive comments like yours, we already consider that a success. Thank you for being awesome!
Context is king! I'm really looking forward to comparing the defy with my kinesis advantage 2, firsthand, for _my_ hands. I'm sure there will something(s) I like better about each. I suspect I'm going to miss the keywell, but I *do* find my fingers curl a little too much for the bottom row.
Another area where context seriously matters: as a programmer, I need to type {}[]()~,.:+-*/\"_ more frequently than non-programmers, and I probably and use esc/meta/alt/cntl/shift/super chords more often too. I've heavily customized the symbol and special key mappings on my kenesis, and I've been playing in Bazecor ... but there's always a period before the new muscle memory is learned where it isn't yet clear how fast or ergonomic the mapping will be. I'm curious if _your_ software developers are sharing their bazecor configs. If so, what editors/IDEs/languages have they optimized for?
We're working on a feature to have repositories of layers by software or intended use. Our devs will upload theirs, but it'll be open to the whole community. We also have a layer-sharing section on our Discord 😊
Amazing video! Keep rocking, guys! ❤
Thank you!
Great intro and production quality, I love the information in this video and that RGB ergonomic keyboard is fire 🔥
I’m subscribing!
Appreciate it! Welcome to the channel ❤️🔥
Production quality of these videos is incredible 👍
Thank you Ben! That is much appreciated feedback 😊
Incredible, really! I was watching purely because of this and for a weekly high dose of cringe also. I was like, it is safe to watch, because I would never buy staggered split keeb, just doesn't make sense. But then they've shipped Dygma Defy and I'm busted. When I realized what was the trick it was too late already.
Ben, when can we see your review of the defy? Please tell me it's coming soon!
@@lucksmith-wd ha, appreciate that. I have one on order but afraid I have no idea when I’ll get to review it.
I look forward to it, whenever you may do it.@@benfrainuk
OMG!...I would love to see the "Garcia Defy Untouchables Edition", you can look but you cannot touch. Ooh la la cest magnifique! Thank you "Dygma Team" for another great informative video👍. Keep them coming❤. 🙋♂Saludos de Nueva York 🗽.
Hahaha! You're very much welcome! We'll keep them coming! Saludos! 💛
You guys are very talented!
Production level is insane!
Thank you so much. We're trying our best 😊
Wow, this really opened my eyes to some things I never even thought about. By the way, I've got a pretty important question: what's the model of wristwatch Dominique is rocking in the video?
That's awesome to hear! We're all about those "aha" moments 😃 Ooohhh, that's a Casio, G Shock. Bought it over 10 years ago and it's still going!
The answers I never knew I needed to know. Thanks!
Our pleasure! Glad we could unearth the mysteries you never knew were mysteries!
Tenting means that you're fighting gravity to stop your arms from dropping the whole time. This also puts extra strain on muscles such as the flexor carpi ulnaris, abductor digiti minimi, and possibly other associated muscles around the elbow and the ulnal collateral ligament over time. Obviously there's a lack of empirical data, anyone who's carried too many shopping bags at once will tell you that sometimes the proof is in the pudding.
Tenting keyboards, which elevate the center and slope towards the edges, aim to reduce strain by promoting a more neutral wrist position. This can alleviate pressure on muscles like the flexor carpi ulnaris and abductor digiti minimi. While empirical data may be limited, the concept aligns with ergonomic principles and evidence suggests it can improve comfort during typing. But as we say on the video, it always depends on if you use it correctly or not
Awesome video. Super entertaining (and informative). Checking out that keyboard at 10:50 now 😊
Thanks, we are glad you like it 😍
You have sick humour in those videos. This quick 3 -4 seconds jokes are simply perfect🤩It's just a short and the story continues no one gets distracted. Others drag on and drag on till the joke is in a retirement home and one loses focus.
We have a great and silly team! 😍
I feel sorry for those with hands too big or small for a welled keyboard, the difference between my kinesis & moonlander is night and day, even though they're both splits.
Yeah! That's why everyone has to do their own research on how to get a good ergonomic setup because it depends on how your own body is set up 🧘
im just casually curious so i went down the youtube rabbit hole and found this video. you're a hoot! you should be doing everyones' boring safety and orientation videos for workplaces.
That'd be fun!! Thank you! 🥰
Great video and an amazing device. My question is whether I can use Bazecore on a Chromebox.
Not for now, but you don't need Bazecor to use the keyboard, only to configure it. All the set up is saved in the keyboard itself. In the future, we want to make Bazecore accessible via a browser.
Thanks for sharing this video. ❤❤❤
You are so welcome 😊
Holy crap!! The negative tilt thing is the best advice I've received all year in terms of ergonomics! I got a squishy pad from hyperx and it's worked wonders to relieve back and wrist pain. There's so many things that go into "good" posture, it takes time, pain, and experience to learn.
Glad you found a solution to your specific needs 😊
Seriously? you needed someone to tell you that ergonomics isn't done by just buying a expensive keyboard.
Nobody ever told yo that your body posture is the most important factor for ergonomics? weird, becaus thats a 101 basic
of course your negative tilt wont do horeseshit (or even be harmful) if you intentionally put your desk in a unergonomic position.
Im still baffled people cant come to that conclusion theirselfs...
@@starflow90210 Speak for yourself kid I probably have more and better ergonomic desk and entire setup than you do
@@starflow90210 You're an angry and insufferable person and still not as intelligent as I am
thank you for this! i feel like so much advice about ergonomics is in the format of simple rules without context, and the truth is that ergonomics is very much about context. one thing i'd like to see in a new video is the myth that ergonomic tools should hyperfocus on sustaining a single 'correct' position for hours, when we evolved to thrive on range of motion. split keyboards are great for this.
Thank you! That's one of the reasons we wanted our tenting solution to be easy to fold and unfold. That way people can change angles or lay the keyboard flat easily throughout the day 😊
Love the video. Never red the ny timez.
Thank you! Yeah, don't worry about it!
I have to say that when I got a Kinesis all my RSI went away
That’s amazing! I’m so glad you feel better 🙏🏼
Anyone know the brand and model of the ergo keyboard they picture with wooden look top plate and thumb keys?
It's the Keyboardio Model 100; me made a review a few months back ruclips.net/video/i8abMRv7kMM/видео.html
What is the red keyboard you show on de video?
It is our keyboard, the Dygma Raise 2 💪
I laughed, I learned, I subscribed. 😊
😂🤔💌
Weird to say key wells are busted for the horizontal rotation, when the biggest impact i've had apart from keys being easier to reach, is the vertical rotation of the wrists. Key wells allow you do have a completely neutral wrist even when you lift your fingers to press different keys regardless of position
We didn't mean to say that the keywell is not ergonomic. It's just that you have to consider each user's case, and maybe that position is not the best for some people. Of course, there will be other cases where the keywell is the best or even the only option 😊 So if the keywell works for you, keep using it! The important thing here is that you are comfortable 💪
In my experience of using various things, everything is ergonomic if used for sparse and short enough periods.
It's the 12h marathons where every detail must be optimized.
True that. Changing position frequently and not overworking goes a long way for ergonomics.
@DygmaLab what is this song when you put Portuguese flag?
Hi! It's this one ruclips.net/video/JHt63PDc6Qc/видео.html
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ErgonoMyth: You must sit up straight.
The advice should be: Do not slouch forward.
I love to lean back so that the back rest takes some load off my spine. When you lean back, positive keyboard tilt can become a benefit.
I'm not sure I fully agree with the mentioned negatives of a keywell. A keywell brings keys closer together. Those with smaller hands may still need to stretch to reach function keys (if not moved to layers), but less so. Also, although the keyboard inevitably becomes thicker (all else equal), you may not need to sit higher if the halves are (significantly) tented. In the extreme case of 90° tenting (45° may already be enough), no difference in seating height would be required.
Totally agree on your advice! Leaning back can be a way of sitting properly if you adjust your setup accordingly.
And on the keywell, you have a point there, but it's a recurrent feeling among our small-hand testers with concave keywells. Maybe it's not real and only psycological though.
@@DygmaLab Question for you: If an exact copy of the Defy were available except with a keywell that fit your hands, would you prefer that over a flat Defy from a purely ergonomic point of view?
I have never used a keyboard with a keywell, but I expect the keywell would be more ergonomic/comfortable than flat.
I'm going to mount my Defy to my chair so a slight increase in height is irrelevant. The latter is also true if you stand behind your desk.
I understand the trade-offs between flat and keywell, and fully agree with Dygma's decision to choose flat.
IMO the Defy is currently the best keyboard package for the majority (e.g. concerning wireless option, easy programmability, price, portability, design, finish, availability, customer service, etc.), but I still expect a keywell to have some ergonomic advantages, especially if you use the number row.
@FrankPloegman no, because even though a key well can be more comfortable if you adjust properly to it, it's much less flexible. I like changing my position throughout the day: flat, tented, then reverse tilting while standing... or take my Defy on the train or to a coffee shop. That's more difficult with key well.
I find elevated typing instently get rid of pain in any keyboard
Yes! I really helps if you use it correctly 😊
With the exception of those with very small or very large hands the well is better period. That one is not a myth.
It's better if you can sit properly, but you need to consider the whole setup. Not everybody can adjust their setup to the requirements of the height of key well keyboard. That was what we wanted to convey.
Perhaps it was just poorly communicated, but keywells absolutely help you reach more keys easily.
Keyboards are great, but the Big fingerball Trackball was the only thing that helped me. Kensington Slimblade was a game changer.
Combinations are very important, so it is also important not just having an ergonomic keyboard or an ergonomic mouse, but both 😊
Dominique really channeled the old spice guy for that segment :P
😂😂😂😂😂
how ergonomic old typewriters were? Thanks!
Old typewriters weren't very ergonomic. They had stiff keys that required a lot of force to press, which could cause strain and fatigue during long typing sessions. The layout of keys also varied, making them less intuitive compared to modern keyboards 😜
steps #1 seat properly, your hips should be higher than your knees, this will make comfortable and easy to seat with straight back, and then adjust monitor(s) to your eyesight.
#2, get your keyboard.
I was a little peeved with myth one since, while sure, if your desk setup puts the keyboard above the level of your elbows the negative tilt won't make it ergonomic, any keyboard set above the level of your elbows will be equally not ergonomic making you put undue pressure on your wrists. The problem there is not the tilt of the keyboard but the elevation of your desk.
A more fair test would be, with proper ergonomics otherwise, will the negative tilt be better for you?
If you adjust your setup accordingly, negative tilt will be better for you, no doubt about it 😅. Our point was that, if you don't, it can be detrimental.
I call this 1st reason absolute bs! If you compare the same with traditional keyboard and show it’s better, it’s acceptable, instead you show a stupid posture unrelated to the keyboard you use and call it busted? Um hello!? Are you dumb?
Eh, I’ve tried both the kinesis and glove80 and a handful of other ergo keyboards and you can’t convince me keywells are not more ergonomic. If the “tenting myth” can get a plausible rating, then so should keywells 😅.
Sounds like Cinderella found her slipper!
I just type with my hands at an angle on a regular keybard… i.e. my "home row" is approximately adfv njlå (å is the key right of p on a Norwegian keyboard), though I don't have my hand locked in one particular position anyway, I never learned some "proper" touch type technique; I just realised I could type without looking at the keybard after programming for several years. I also type a lot left handed whenever I'm doing something that requires a lot of mouse and only occasional typing. I can type fairly fast using only the left hand (though then I need to look at the keyboard to reach all the way over to p). But of course since I'm a programmer I don't actually type a lot continuously… programming is way more thinking and testing than typing.
I've never actually had any strain injuries from working with a keyboard, but I have had carpal tunnel issues when gaming, mainly from pressing the wasd keys and the mouse too hard when I get excited; which is why I think the whole idea that the keyboard needs to be bent or chopped in half to improve ergonomics is rather weird. How does that have any effect on pressing too hard? Also I stopped using my fancy "gaming keyboard" with tall mechanical keys and started using the relatively flat rubber dome keyboard instead somehow the tall keys just made me press harder than the flatter low travel keys of a laptop or a flatter than model M rubber dome keyboard.
Hi! Thank you for sharing your experience. For that kind of problems more than the keyboard being split, what will help you the most is a keyboard with negative tilt and having a small difference of height between where you rest your wrists and the highest point of your keyboard 😊
Keywell for everybody Glove80 nuff said
The Naya Create folks showed, in their latest video that they did a prototype keywell version and learned a lot from it
They said keywells needed to be fitted to your hand, so it was hard to mass produce? (And less portable)
And they hinted about figuring out ways to make their custom sculpted keycaps so the fingers moved less distance than with a keywell?
I look forward to their future videos talking about that (myths to bust?)
Glove80 is very small low profile .
No one who has used it has any issue with keywell
We think the Glove80 is a pretty interesting keyboard, and although not as tall as other concave key well keyboards, it's still quite tall.
And not everybody likes low profile switches that are not hot swappable. Which reaffirms the point of the video: it can be perfect for you, but it's not necessarily perfect for everybody.
And that's ok. Having more options means there's a keyboard out there for each one of us that is perfect us 😊
@@DygmaLab Time will tell I yet to see any body who have you used the glove80 not like it
I'm pretty sure negative tilt is relative to the angle of the forearm, not the table. You want to be just slightly flexed from neutral, so about 5 degrees to the floor, or negatice 5 degrees. Your high-table negative tilt is actually way over tilted, something like 30+ degrees down. Its often poorly described in terms of keybaord height though so its definitely a misconception/myth.
Anothing thing I'll add for those interested in the muscle physiology is that there is something called the length tension relationship of muscles. Because of the amount of overlap in actin and myosin filaments, muscle strength is greatest when the muscle is in its midrange, and its weak when its in a shortened or lengthened position. Since the tendons of the fingers cross the wrist, that means that being in a neutral position actually makes your fingers stronger and so each keystroke takes left effort. Additionally, because the flexors of the fingers are actually one complex interwoven muscle, being in that neutral position means thay flexing one finger is less likely to compromise the power of another. All that to say, your fingers are more dextrous with less effort when your wrist is neutral. It isn't just about comfort and compression.
Thank you for your comment and insights!
On keyboards, negative tilt is always measured in º relative to the table, because that's the only constant; the position of the forearms varies depending on how you sit or stand. That's why negative tilt is not always positive; pun intented 😅
what is that wooden keyboard at 5:02? With rounded thumb keys 🤤
That's the Keyboardio Model 100, we did a review not long ago ruclips.net/video/i8abMRv7kMM/видео.html
Just slicing that keyboard in half makes it hella ergonomic, but obviously, if the keys get all jammed up, start feeling stiff, or pull a disappearing act now and then, it's not gonna be comfortable. So, bottom line, a decent keyboard with nice, split keys is the way to go.
100% agree!
Funny vid. 5:40 I find this info definitely. I made a mouse pad that does this also. Requires flat magnets.
I never thought about the negative tilt. I might have to re designing my table top/desktop.
Interesting idea! Thank you!
You should offer Topre switch clones as they have only 30-35 grams of actuation, and their domes make the experience like typing on pillows. Very good for arthritic fingers.
That would require to have a different PCB for the switches. You can't use Topre switches on MX sockets.
@DygmaLab while that is true, you are an ergo and comfort focused keeb company. I suggest your engineer have the CEO purchase a single Topre unit and test the comfort typing experience. As someone who has collected over 100 keebs and a contributor to /mechanicalkeyboards I can assure you a Topre offering from you guys stand out as unparalleled in the comfort department
The bullshit I see is in terms of supply-chain issues around availability for keyboards like these outsides of the USA. So much for the Global Economy. I'd love the Glove80 from MoErgo but don't want the import and shipping costs to the UK that I'd have to deal with. This makes me sad :(
Cute video. Maybe I'm just "old school" but I have been using a Logitech K350 keyboard for over 8 years and have only one complaint about it. I use Linux, so all those extra command buttons are useless. This brings me to my questions:
Does the Dygma keyboard (any of them) work with Linux?
I'm constantly packing my keyboard into my backpack, which is full of other computer stuff I use (mouse, cables, headphones, etc.) and it takes a beating. So, my second question: How sturdy are the Dygma keyboards?
Yes, our keyboards work with Linux. And about if they are sturdy, my personal opinion is that they are; We recommend you to pack them always on its travel case, but we know sometimes we put everything on just one backpack, I used to bring my keyboard , the Dygma Raise, on my backpack and nothing happened to it 😊
@@DygmaLab Thank you for the response. I'll seriously consider these as an option for my next keyboard.
“Hey! I didn’t even eat the mousse.”
I only wish my budget were bigger or that ergonomic keyboards weren’t so expensive. Otherwise, I’d have a Glove 80, Advantage 360, and would be waiting for a Defy.
We feel you! Hopefully, ergonomic keyboards can become mainstream. If big BIG brands could mass produce really cool but affordable ergo keyboards, instead of low-quality old-fashioned ones, it would be a game-changer.
That was a great video, although you made a disservice to yourself (as a competitor to ZSA) by not even mentioning their Wing Wrist Rest, especially when mentioning that your product had a similar addon.
We talk about our concrete case and our keyboards, but yes, the ZSA also has wrist rest 😅
I played piano, so I always elevate my wrists anyway. Still, I want to try one of these keyboards just because I think they look super cool lol.
You should! And if you have any questions about it, you can always ask us or email us at contact@dygma.com :)
Well, I don't like every aspect of the video, but your arguments are valid an a great help. The way I understand modern algorythms... Just skip my not on that video aspects. For me none is busted or plausible since your arguments are what matters. Thanks for them ;)
Fair enough! 😊
This is a direct attack on my beliefs.
Sorry... not sorry? 😅
You guys are funny. That's how branding should be done. By the way... what vertical mouse goes best with a Dygma keyboard?
Never mind! ruclips.net/video/HToGiRtQ-as/видео.htmlsi=mKWqJTSdrkMzD2Wd
Thank you! We do our best! 😅 That's a great question! Coincidentally, we did a video about Which Vertical Ergonomic Mouse You Should BUY in 2023 ➡ ruclips.net/video/HToGiRtQ-as/видео.htmlsi=68vjbh3FECJDiTBk. Check it out and let us know what you think! We hope it helps!
Its funny I watch these videos while having the trashiest laptop set up
my laptop is so high up an my elbows trying to do the chicken dance
can't wait for anything else lol
If you're looking at an ergonomic keyboard, we can help you choose the one you need at support@dygma.com
2:15
if you do that, that's its own problem
Some people are just aspiring T-rexes 🦖
how do you not have more subs?!
Which one would you like? 🤔
@@DygmaLabwhich one??
I read subtitles, sorry! 😂 Thank you 🫶
@@DygmaLab 😂😂🫶
1:53 vs 1:56 The ads vs painful reality :))
I knew somebody would notice! I saw that while reviewing the video but we had no time to reshoot 😭
PS: She's sitting to loo low to be using reverse tilting, foreshadowing the point of why reverse tilting is not always better 😅
Finally, kinesis keyboard :)
It is funny, yet very inspiring, to see how you fellas try to compete with kinesis.
First of all: why do you show older version of kinesis? they already have split models and cool magnetic wrist pads.
Second of all: you will not find kinesis keyboard to be ergonomic if you press the 'A' key with your Ring finger instead of pinky.
Seriously guys, your marketing team is best i ever seen. Dominique is great as always.
I know that nobody cares about my opinion, but if I were you I would utilize approach done by OnePlus 1 mobile phone seller.
Where they accepted the fate of being at most number two since number one belongs to Apple.
or rebrand yourselves and become full time marketing company.
Thanks... I guess 😅
TBF, we've mentioned Kinesis keyboards many times in our previous videos (here's an example ruclips.net/video/q8FeBPREzZA/видео.html), and, to be honest, we don't see them as direct competition. The features of our keyboards cater to different people.
We haven't got our hands on a 360 Pro yet, but it's in our plans. Would you like us to do an honest review? 😋
@@DygmaLab absolutely Yes :)
Will do! 😄
i live in germany and have almost no choice bc nearly all ergonomic keyboards use the qwerty layout lol
Hi there. Yeah, it's quite difficult to find German layout. Luckily, we offer the Raise or Defy with extra German keycaps. dygma.com/pages/shop
You can also purchase just the keycap set if you prefer :) dygma.com/products/keycaps?variant=43658619158766
1. why would anyone have their elbows like that lmao
2. so negative tilt is good again...
Everything is up to you, how your desk is setup, and where your hands land on the keyboard!
this video tries so hard to throw shade on the Kinesis keyboard.
Nooo, we are trying to show that it's not just about having the right tools, like an ergonomic keyboard. It also depends on your posture and how you use them based on your situation 😊
lol the keyboard costs over 600$ with everything. Wtf such a high price
It's a very complex keyboard with many chips and LEDs, which are pretty expensive. Plus, it's a bespoke, niche keyboard, so you also need to account for development costs 😊
Moonlander.
kinesis is a great keyboard for programmers because of Vim.
If you are someone who go back and forth using mouse, keyboard, mouse , keyboard 600 times, why do you even need a kinesis keyboard? You are fooling yourself, the point is your hands will barely leave the keyboard, that is possible with Vim, it only makes sense only if you are a programmer
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It's a matter of finding what's best for you 😊
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That's a first...
first: QWERTY never "ergo", so I ignore every keyboard with this layout, despite whatever fantasie name they try to claim themselves. No thanks!
There are more efficiend layouts, that's out of questioning. Especially those like Colemak that distribute the effort better between the hands.
We did not go for it because we covered that topic in another video, but you're right, we should have explained it, noted for upcoming content!
If you've learned to type on a QWERTY keyboard and/or you want to be able to type on someone else's keyboard occasionally without your fingers being all confused, it makes sense to stick with it, even though other layouts would definitely be better absent those considerations. I'd argue that the ergonomic advantages you get from just using a split ergo keyboard are much greater than what you get from changing your layout, so "ergo with QWERTY" still makes sense.
This editing is making me hyperventilate
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stop clowning
A little fun never hurts 😜
Didn't like this video. It's nothing more than a clickbait.
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Too many distractions in this video. Didnt learned anything
Sometimes it's worth watching a few times through. Dominique makes life fun!
learn English first
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I agree that there's too many distractions. But I feel like it gets better as you go into the video. I like the neutral tone better, it feels like the first few minutes were trying too hard to get attention that it kinda pushes me away.
Typing with the kinesis advantage sitting on your lap works wonders (arm rests can get in the way so I remove them). Highly recommend, it has been my solution for RSI in my hands, wrist, forearms, shoulders, and neck
The important thing there is to have a good posture, not as the beginning of the video where you can see the posture wasn't a good one even if she was using an ergonomic keyboard