How Spotify is killing phonk
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- on paper, spotify's phonk playlist was a godsend. but whether spotify knew it or not, it would end up doing more harm for the scene than good.
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narrated by ethan hardcastle
written + edited by von storm
- music used -
dj smokey - ride clean (robbin' mobbin')
ghostface playa - killka (feat. fkbambam)
roland jones - she want a birkin w/ soudiere
pharmacist - north memphis
weedmane - suicide year (feat. suicideyear)
von storm - solid gold w/ ghostface playa
soudiere - sippin on drank w/ dj smokey
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happy to be back :) what's your opinion on the phonk playlist?
EDIT: for everyone asking, if you wanna hear what some other phonk subgenres sound like, i’ve posted hundreds of songs on this channel that you can check out :)
EDIT: the map at 2:08 shows ALL countries spotify expanded to in july 2020. i’m not saying all of those countries are russia (obviously)
Thx for sticking up for us all man. You’re amazing for making these educational phonk videos.
MUCH LUV YOKAI 🥳💜
I'm so fucking glad someone talked about this and but it to easy to understand and so clearly put out. This is actually amazing
I understand that not everyone can understand what phonk really is but I feel like Spotify should change it to drift instead of phonk
No joke: just YESTERDAY I finally learned "phonk" was the name of this subgenre I'd been hearing recently but didn't know how to describe.
So naturally, I searched for it on Spotify and click on the first recommended playlist.
Today, I searched for it on RUclips...and discover there's all this drama behind *the playlist I clicked on* the day before, lmao. I'll def check out that Sound of Phonk playlist you mentioned tho!
(But rn I feel like the confused-but-supportive guy who was in that "how many genders are there" viral video:
"...I don't know, I just got here" )
You should actually make a PHONK playlist and post it in the Community tab @yokai
So basically phonk is going through approximately what dubstep went through ~2009-2011. An underground sound getting its definition overwritten by a more popular and hard-hitting sub-genre of itself
Tik tok is more powerful than the UK government lmao
The mainstream wants tracks that are as highly stimulating as possible and they could care less about what is actually better
@@nidonea7397 dude if I a track is more stimulating tosomeone it's because it's better to them. It's called musical taste
@@nidonea7397how would you even define whats better? Wouldnt the more popular music be the better music since Art can only be judged on an individual subjective Level and thus the music that is objectively more liked by people is the better music?
@@ac3clawx501 if popular meant good we'd be writing research papers on the music theory in katy perry songs. No, popular doesnt mean good. Watch the video on how skrillex ruined dubstep and so how a niche genre with a tight dedicated community gets ruined because a bastardized version of its original format gets popular and is the public face of a very diverse genre
i am in the official phonk playlist and a clip of one of my tiktoks was in this video, but i can say that cowbell phonk is only just a side of phonk and i have realised that the playlist is heavily lacking any 'lofi' or 'underground' phonk and spotify should definitely recognise them and realise that phonk isnt just cowbell melodies
Hi swerve
wassup lad
@@kristof6285 kristof
@@anvthema1925 YOO ANEFEMA
Well said my guy 🥳🎯
Felt this to my core. Same thing happened with Vaporwave, Synthwave and Future Funk thanks to online memes and Spotify's playlist. Thankfully the genre didn't die. Shroudies sync up.
I'm curious, what's happening with Vaporwave or Synthwave?
@@kiluke1729 the genres get nixed up in the public perception sometimes.
@@Hjernespreng yep
Yeeesss as a Synthwave producer I agree a lot with you, I had some problems with people calling it Vaporwave. I don't even like Vaporwave that much xD
Recently it's even worse, people will call every song with an arpeggiated Synth "like the music in Stranger things" which hurts since it was a thing before that. Same vibe as the "is that the guy from Fortnite" meme...
@@Hjernespreng thanks
The fact that someone thinks cowbells are required for phonk is actually insane 💀
Apparently those cowbells are part of the TR-808 drum machine (which you may recognise it for its use in trap music) and were frequently used in some 80s songs, except that they were always in the key of C#.
@@KilobitePandaMusic yep, pretty much every beat maker or producer ever has heard this since it’s included by default in a lot of software
@@KilobitePandaMusic This type of pitched plucky cowbell has been featured in other drum machines as well. Boss branded stuff comes to mind, as it was a very VERY common brand people in the 90s memphis scene gravitated toward
Its more crazy that they just be putting the cowbell on a techno drum beat and calling it phonk. Bro what happened to the uktra bass boosted trap drums
@@pyrylatvanen5226 it's house drums not techno drums. big difference
I personally like Drift Phonk much more but its disappointing to see the other subgenres die out because Drift Phonk has taken so much of the spotlight
how tf can u like phonk 99% of phonk sounds the same
@@retardman5193 the same goes for many shock style genres, look and slam or jump up dnb. I like all of these but not that they aren't repetitive, who said we didn't like that about them
@@retardman5193 personally I like it because it has the beats I like but no lyrics so I can focus on Work, Working out, Reading, playing games etc
Because music taste is subjective to the individual's own preference.
This is where I fall in this situation
I was one of the people who misinterpreted the phonk genre before watching this video, and its videos like these that help set the record straight and encourage further research into topics. I'll be sure to look into the pioneers artists, other form of phonk and possibly add more tracks to my playlist. Thanks dude
I'd suggest listening to
*evilmane
*stonedogg
*insomniac
*dj akoza
*rxdxyxz
*krxxps$t
*ice mane tha kingpin
Посоветую тебе исполнителя DVRST.
yeah me too, so who already like phonk a long time before drift phonk was viral, please let us know in this comment
@@aiyai900 Ill check these out too. I was definitely misinformed as well going in to this.
Same.
It isn’t even anyones fault. This is just the natural process of assimilation. Phonk never had a clear defining factor, and wasn’t too popular, so as soon as it started gaining attention, the cowbell was what stood out.
Yeah, the only thing unifying the genre is using looped rap vocal samples, which to 95% of listeners is not going to be immediately obvious if listening to a diverse mix of phonk subgenres.
yeah to me, as someone who doesn't listen to phonk: the 2 songs in the intro don't sound like the same genre AT ALL, and i was struggling to find something from them that made them phonk.
this whole ordeal reminds me of the dubsep/brostep scene only ~10 years later
It's also just a categorization flaw. No part of the music actually gets hurt or dies. Only people obsessed with putting music in boxes throw a fit.
@@hickrick I disagree, there definitely is a defining sound but I'm too stoned to go into more details than "phonk is a funkier version of vapor trap"
It is the natural process of assimilation, but hyperaccelerated and centralised. Back in the day, producers from different labels would pump out different albums from different bands, but none had the massive reach and influence of spotify. Now it's just a single playlist in the hands of a single guy dictating to 90% of listeners what the phonk genre is.
I'm Russian and I actually really like drift phonk. But when I started listening to it, I've googled lots of info about the genre itself, its roots and stuff. So when I opened the official Spotify playlist I got kinda confused why they put so much drift phonk in there.
It's just the same as it was with Retrowave playlist. The genre is old enough and deserves some spotlight from Spotify. Then they come up, make a playlist and now everyone thinks that Retrowave is Synthwave when it's not...
Anyways, thx for sharing the problem, I feel like more people should get it to their attention
created by the American (memphis rap), produced by the Russian (phonk) and inspired by the Japanese (culture representation)
@@owensdagoatSpaceGhostPurrp (American) is the originator for the very concept of “phonk” and even the word itself.
Thanks for spreading the message… I have nothing against drift phonk.. but I feel like it should have it’s own playlist and there be a separate Playlist showcasing the artists who really created and helped shape the genre… possible curated by the artist themselves. Much love to everyone who supports phonk and wants to see a spotlight on the whole scene #positivesquad
blessed never stressed
Couldn’t believe Smokey has never been on Spotify’s Phonk playlist.
Damn! Shroom aliens 👽 vs…. KUSH ALIENS?? 👽
Protect DJ Smokey at all cost
Goat
I’m all honesty, they should keep the normal phonk playlist, label it “drift phonk,” or something along those lines, then give a full phonk playlist. I wouldn’t imagine that they would do it for every sub-genre of phonk, but I imagine that, since drift phonk is so popular right now, it would merit its own playlist over other sub-genres of it
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Y e s
Honestly they only reasonable solution I could think of
You are all honesty?
@@HokuraChan0106 how is your comment either: "y e s" or "and it is" depending on If Google "translated" it or Not???????
the quality of this video is amazing
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agreed + hello kade engine creator
@@skeeter3376 bruh
@Elijah McNeill oh really
I wasn’t expecting THE kade dev to be here but hey😏
Omg I feel so stupid, I thought drift Phonk was actually Phonk. Never thought this underground genre would be so vast.
Thank you for this video! It's always good to discover new things about music. 🙂
Yeah I didn't know phonk existed because I don't listen to hip hop/rap and found drift and everything called it phonk so that's what I thought it was, but I just recently found real phonk though. (P.s any good phonk songs to recommend?)
@@moist1700 NASA mixtape by Spaceghostpurrp and Mista Thug Isolation by Lil Ugly Mane
@@moist1700 Hey ! I'm a bit late but I have a lot of phonk songs and producers to recommend. There is also some differences between OG phonk from mid 2010s and rare phonk that most producers make nowadays. I would personally recommend DJ Smokey (Land of da phonk, CodeineDemonz vol. 2, TrapHouse of Horrors, etc) and Soudiere. Oc there is a lottt of other talented producers I can't mention them all. Btw somme yt channel like rarephonk and SmoothSounds make great phonk compil !
@@moist1700 My dumbass thought it was a creator making all these songs LMAO
As an uneducated human who found phonk last year, I always thought phonks whole genre was based around those cowbell 808s… and it’s interesting how big one sub genre can get that it basically becomes the whole thing for most people
i found it out because of drifting and i now feel almost sorry that im boosting the wrong music under the wrong name
@@gagegodin7825 it’s still phonk just don’t overthink it
Ditto. Found a playlist on youtube of Cowbell/808 phonk and thought that was it.
Same
I suggest you listen to artists like soudiere, Yung vamp and even Jason Rich. The latter is the producer for Yung gravy. That’s what phonk really is.
I feel like this is evident for all music that's on Spotify that's not mainstream. It's so sad, but that's what happens when your music company is run by people with business degrees and not music degrees.
How would that help? It will only teach familiarity with classical and jazz and music theory, it wont teach people about niches of electronic music
@@ses694 That's not quite true. The application of music history and theory builds a foundation to better understand all music. For example, pandora's AI has been programmed by engineers with music theorists to detect all the different elements of a song and how they overlap thematically with other songs of that same genre. Leading to a system that doesn't have this problem with listeners being recommended things that actually aren't related.
Oh god all the "metal playlists" that are nothing but metalcore or like alternative metal/hard rock
@@Necromediancer Exactly!
@@Necromediancer your comment now makes me realize what exactly is happening to phonk, cause dear god i hate those bullshit metal playlists
while drift phonk is personally my favourite sub genre, it's important that the other smaller artists and even pioneers of the genre are shared equally
True! 😏 They just don't understand welll don't even need to 😂
Yea i got into it recently with the cowbell stuff. But even when i got into it o quickly learned it was a sub genre. And i want the artists who dony makw drift stuff to do well too. But mainstream kinda drowns them and its sad
It originally came from Memphis Tennessee (Triple 6 mafia) C'mon who doesn't know this it's so old news I was listening to Memphis beats when I was highschool (2015) Nothing new just these Russians re made it to there own
well said
@@OfficialGoldenboy exactly it didn't spread to parts of Russia till very recently like this guy is saying. Memphis is it's birthplace
Thankyou for not being mad at people for misunderstanding phonk and actually informing us about the genre. Very Good Video
Facts
I wish he would've gotten mad at them
Top tier analysis
omg ryan hi
The man. The myth. The absolute legend
🐐
Ryan the goat
so this is why i got this video recommended to me
I totally agree with everything you’ve said in this video; your timeline is actually 100% accurate. Myself and Ghostface had a song featured on there when the phonk Spotify playlist had like 35k followers, we were on there for exactly 60 days and pulled 127k streams just from that list alone 🤯, it was crazy. So now being featured on it at nearly 500k followers I can only imagine how many streams an artist would pull. Spotify DEFINITELY needs to rotate the songs in this playlist more, especially the ones that are still on there from May 2021 😭 like wtf???
Been listening to your Songs before you started doing the Phonk genre 🙂
Didn't expect to see you here, bro I love your shit, plus your Santos Santana collabs always 250 goated
@@SynthGirl64 ayyy thank you! Me and santos have a new one dropping next Friday on the 25th actually! It’ll be up on my channel if you wanna subscribe 😈🔥
It's the same way with "Tirade" on spotify. It's for emo/metal hip hop and they barely ever touch despite it being popular.
agreed
i feel like this applies to hyperpop as well.. like if you search up “hyperpop playlist” you get abunch of popular tiktok songs that don’t sound anything like what i would describe as “hyperpop” (producers like umru or sophie)
agreed, tho atm the spotify hyperpop playlist has umru as the 'featured artist' or whatever they call it
hyperpop sucks
Totally agree
Big agree
same with breakcore
this editing IS INSANELY SMOOTH
drift phonk is for sure my favorite but it's really sad that the other types of phonk are getting overshadowed : (
It is what it is
Drift phunk sounds good and flows well, that''s why people like it
nobody really cares where phonk really came from, cultural shifts decide what is what.
Before drift phonk i had never even heard of the term phonk, i would have never known about the rest of the genre. I suspect lots of people found phonk this way.
@@anacondaboom6417 yeah but still sucks to call it just "phonk" when it's not
Lxst Century for life🥀⛈️
Phonk house is my favourite
Something I learned as 2010 came around was that you should not wish for your underground genre to go mainstream. If it does, it will be stripped to a caricature of what it was. And no, I'm not saying "mainstream bad". Just don't expect that when your genre goes mainstream, people will be appreciating the same thing that you're appreciating.
That doesnt mean people will stop making niche versions of the genre that you prefer
@@ses694 That's right, your preferred genre doesn't really disappear, so I never understood the "X genre is so bad nowadays" complaint either. But I guess that since your preferred subgenre remains niche, there's no point in wishing for the genre to go mainstream anyway.
@@Trancefreak12 It doesn't disappear but it become way harder to find since it is flooded with the mainstream stuff.
You are absolutely right!
This is why I'm glad my favorite music genres/subgenres are still a niche.
The “tiktok phonk”/drift phonk sounds much more Russian hardbass inspired than phonk
как по мне они отличаются, но схожесть есть, в бассах скорее всего
Lol that's cap, you can find old Memphis songs with just as much cowbells it just was really rare back then but now it's every song.
Go listen to talk yo ass off by dj Paul that's literally drift phonk
You couldn't be more wrong look at my other comment
@@getsugaallen6612 russians use 4/4 rhythm found in house...memphis was never about that shit. memphis phonk is closer to trap than whatever the fuck the russians are making out there
the editing on this video is actually insane! i was so intrigued the whole time because of the sheer perfection that was laid upon my eyes. a satisfying construct and delivery.
in conclusion : tiktok kills phonk
not just phonk..
it kills everything 💀
Tik tok is fucking trash
Fr
Tik tok ruins every og music genre
fame kills: skateboarding, tattoos, deathcore, Metallica, fashion, anime love, shuffling, goth, and true emo. I could go on for days about how tik tok has ruined so many loved underground genres and subcultures. I'm all for recognition but I hate bandwagonist.
Tik Tok, the poison of this generation
Im a fan of both types of phonk but they have seriously messed this up. They need to make a drift phonk playlist and then normal phonk
there are more than two types of phonk
@@shroomlord682 drift phonk is much more popular than any other sub-genre.
unfortunately they wont because phonk is the most popular, the moneymaker for the genre. its unlikely they would make a separate playlist for actually phonk and drift phonk, not even mentioning the other phonk subgenres
i doubt that it matters, drift phonk is what's viral and it'll most likely stay that way.
Drift phonk is more similar to the original phonk
I an gonna be honest, i also was introduced to "Phonk" and actually really liked it. It is hitting hard in the gym. Now that i watched this video i feel totally dumb. Something like that has already happened to dupstep, rap and other genres. Thank you for educating me. Keep up this great informative and interesting content. Love you bro
Dont let people gatekeep you away from what you like to listen.
well that just means you like drift phonk, which is totally fine.
@@Ncrtmn exactly
Continue to listen to it! It's not against the rules!
i honestly don't care "drift Phonk sounds cooler in opinion so ill keep listening to it
spotify recently made a "phonk origins" playlist and ive been listening to it, but i rlly think they should call the main playlist "drift phonk" then
yeah that new playlist is…okay. made a vid about it a few weeks ago
@@404yokai ill check it out now!
Let's not forget Tommy Wright III as a pioneer, Spotify. Some of his songs, including "Meet Yo Maker", has a trap sound with pitch-shifted digital cowbells like Drift Phonk and he did that in 1994. Legend!
I'd also add Shawty Pimp as a super underrated phonk pioneer. He produced a few tracks for Tommy, and his album "Comin' Real Wit It" is a lo-fi masterpiece. Highly recommend
facts
@@alex.hunter2632 memphis rap isn`t phonk
@@jengsheng3588 I think he meant that Phonk was heavily inspired by Memphis Rap
He wasn’t just a pioneer he got ripped off
This feels extremely reminiscent of what happened to dubstep. The popular sound took over the main sounds. What we now know as dubstep is actually called tearout/brostep, a subgenre of dubstep while most dubstep is much slower and simpler in makeup with 5-6 minute songs that basically put you in a trance with ambience and super low bass.
Names. I need names. I know that dubstep is like known GD shit and i know all those Dimrains and Waterflames , but what music can you call "real ori dubstep"?
@@StanislavSasin start with skream’s self titled from 06, and make sure you have decent subs so you can get the full experience, then go to anything by mala, red eye by coki, frogs on acid/weed smokers by cluekid, if it says DEEP MEDi MUSIK on the album/record then its probably a decent example of oldschool dubstep.
Its riddim dubstep now
@@StanislavSasin If you want to know what I consider real dubstep, its something like this. Ruby Frost and Mt. Eden - Oh That I Had.
I was to young to remember the underground phase of dubstep. But what @Bent Rod said, especially Mala and Coki, is correct.
@@StanislavSasin You can listen to A hundred drums - Bone Dust, Caspa - Rubber Chicken or any other tracks in the first half of the playlist All my homies hate Skrillex
This seems to happen to a lot of genres when they start recieving popularity. Particular subgenres become disproportionately popular to the "mainline" or other subgenres. Dubstep fell victim to this same thing. It was genre with a lot of nuance until Skrillix style "brostep" began to take over, eventually becoming the face of the genre as a whole.
To be fair, dubstep was already a subgenre of another subgenre of another subgenre. I feel like it wouldn't have been so easily killed by brostep, if it had more sound to it.
Dubstep as a style is already incredibly limited to the sounds and variables usable to it, before it becomes a different genre.
It had way less potential than people claim.
@@zenraloc What dubstep fan hurt u this bad Wtf
The face of dubstep is actually WAY worse now. I'd much rather have "brostep" continue on than the sound it has today. People say all rap sounds the same.....dawg dubstep is now in that same topic.
@@chrisfahren please elaborate. Idk man but dubstep feels more diverse and accepted now. maybe there is smthn i dont know about tho.
@@zenraloc could you atleast define what limited it.
the "Phonk Origins" playlist is finally here 💯
this is reminding me of when simpsonwave took over the vaporwave scene and suddenly this giant influx of listeners thought vaporwave was just slowed reverb 80s pop with purple vhs simpson aesthetics, completely missing the actual artistic merit of the genre. it took like 2 years to rebound from that and now vaporwave in popularity sense is dead.
Dead popularity doesnt sound that bad. Part of niche's charm its the underground/alternative feeling imo
@@pabloporrero1932 indeed, plus the vaporwave of the last 4 years has been great for vaporwave
A good meme is still a meme.
With great artists like Home, Emil Rottmayer, A.L.I.S.O.N., ADMO, Forhill, Lucy In Disguise, among many others making great music, it's a darn shame..
@@mworld2611 I admit i came from the Home-loving bandwagon after Resonance came out, but i honestly am more happy to know that the genre has gone back to the underground. I'm not exploring the genre as much as before, but i still love jamming to Hotel Pools, Hello Meteor, A.L.I.S.O.N, and such
There are actually a lot of underrated phonk producers who aren't even on Spotify so I don't prefer Spotify when it comes to phonk. Soundcloud is still my #1 for discovering new music be it any genre preferably phonk and cloud rap.
same can't agree less man.
@@yima3628 agree more*
Exactly man, and believe it or not, that's actually part of the problem. see, if Spotify worked like SoundCloud, Phonk as a WHOLE, NO MATTER the subgenres, would've been represented easily. But it's way more drift Phonk Artists that are actually big and ON Spotify, than the underrated artists that we listen to on SoundCloud. And when it's put like that, that's all really Spotify can see and analyze, is those types of artists, making it the face of Phonk FOR Spotify. These artists gotta put in the work to save their genre as well. Spotify can only work with what they have and we as fans and listeners can only do so much.
Anyone misses Devilish Trio and Evilmane?
@@DARSHOWNIK yeah, doomshop and waistdeep too
tiktok has been hurtful to 100% of what it touches..
This must be how 90s people felt when Skrillex got his hands on Dubstep
2000's
Dubstep was in 2000
90s was rave but yes your hearts in the right place new genres are exciting
this is also how i feel about breakcore, the terrible inbred weeb-infested abomination that came from the wonderful jungle/hardcore/breakbeat tracks of the 90s
@@wejvi32 weeb infested is crazy
@@samp4368 it's true though
@@ihaetschool3361 i used to like this thing but now all these people i dont like like it so i dont like it anymore
Wow I feel kinda bad now, I've been listening to phonk for a short while since I loved the cowbell heavy tracks I kept hearing in edits on tiktok so I had no idea that it was actually just a subgenre of phonk. I'm glad I found this video and watched it through before spreading any fals informations about phonk. Really nice video! Sick editing skills and super informative. Will be checking out some of the artists you mentioned as the Founders of phonk!
spaceghostpurrp, dj yung vamp, raider klan thats all good shit, drift phonk is bad and all sounds the same
ruclips.net/video/ZuYPuW-1XlE/видео.html this a perfect representation of what good modern phonk sounds like its more tread inspired than earlier stuff
Memphis dj Smokey SpaceGhostPurrp many more
Yea iam guilty of this aswell i listen to drift phonk for gaming but all of the things ive listened to were simply labelled as phonk
@@zyzir ty ill check that out iam always having issues finding music that will get me hyped up
me too :)
I discovered phonk through RUclips a few months ago and I actually like all sub genres. However, the LXST CENTURY playlist by phonkonaut was what really brought me into it.
Violence Music is where I started. Then I got same playlist as you and here I am. There's so much "maybe it's phonk but I'm not sure which one" tracks in my favourites that I can't understand a thing and just enjoying them.
I would also recommend DVRST, if you like LXST CENTURY
@@uunlimitedvoid Thanks for the recommendation but actually I already know DVRST xd
@@4cps777 oh
the DON'T SLEEP volumes by EvilAesthetic got me bumpin
Спасибо автору русских субтитров). У нас в СНГ ещë остались любители андерграундного фонка
согласен, несмотря на англ видео, его всеровно интересно смотреть, и легко понять смысл
Да, все это из-за тик тока. Ещё мне люди так любят говорить "А ты шаришь за фонк? Знаешь этого, а знаешь этот трек? Пффф, нет? Как можно не любить фонк, чел ты..."
Так меня это раздражает, когда меня пытаются как бы сказать"унизить " тем, что я не шарю за дрифт фонк. А когда я привожу контраргументы, по типу "Фонк который ты слушаешь, это фонк из тт, а фонк это другое, он зародился ещё в 90х в Мемфисе, ниггеры читали о криминале и создавали культ хоррора". А потом мне такие "🙄Ну чел, типа, ну тип ты ничего не понимаешь, ну тип, ну знаешь что заюш? Рот будешь на уровне ширинке открывать!"
@майнкрафт 2008 как скажешь. Весьма аргументировано, челл. А вообще сранивать особо нечего, в рамках жанра множество треков, в дрифт фонке забыли о читке и навалили больше пердежа, не доводя до абсурда мне и дрифт фонк более чем нравится
@майнкрафт 2008 У дрифт фонка есть недостатки. Оно однообразное во-первых. Во вторых- один и тот же синт- КоВбЕлЛ. Такими темпами уже через несколько лет он станет не популярным
@майнкрафт 2008 Тем более дрифт фонк появился в 2019. Андерграунд и не пытается быть подобием, он самостоятелен и экспериментирует как и до него
I like that tiktok and other social media can introduce music you’ve never heard before but sadly it can end up over saturated the genre or ruin/damped a song reputation
spotify sucks in general. destroyer of scenes. thank god for soundcloud + bandcamp + old school youtube channels.
Soundcloud is trash though. Terrible audio quality (128kbps WTF?) and the app is basic as hell. RUclips is still where it's at -- even if it isn't the highest quality audio.
@@Skrenja spotify isnt the highest also lmao. and phonk doesnt have to be flac or aif shit that shit only audiophile. phonk can be 80kbps and still hit af (stoned playa - x-rated playaz f.e.) phonk doesnt need high quality. 128kbps is still good. if you aint audiophile you dont need more than 320/256.
@@egzxxxn I never said anything about Spotify, I don't use it. I am not even talking about Phonk -- just music in general. Yes, Phonk is usually mixed pretty poorly and distorted to sh*t, so fidelity isn't the highest priority but I am not always listening to Phonk or lo-fi stuff.
Even if RUclips isn't the highest quality on paper, their compression still sounds way less obvious and miles ahead of Soundcloud's. Seriously, Soundcloud sounds like poo.
I agree that 320kpbs is usually fine, but almost none of the services are 320kpbs without paying for it. I have to say that 256kbps and below is _not_ acceptable quality if you're using anything better than cheap ear buds. You don't need to be an audiophile to hear the compression in .mp3s lower than 320kpbs with semi-decent headphones on.
I hope someone from Spotify sees this and sorts that tragic state of affairs out
Couldn’t have said it better myself fammo 🥳🎯
@@realfreddykonfeddy.mp3 yo, big up Freddy! Love your music bro 💪🏾
AND RUclips
@@Weerdoh. RUclips doesn't do any curated playlists whatsoever. RUclips playlists are either created by individual users or by the allmighty algorithm.
phonk is not only an overloaded bass mixed with rabid cowbells, it is a genre in which a mixture of funk, jazz, and Memphis rap was originally meant. Now this is a rethinking of this genre, in which the main "vibe" is a fast rhythm, overloaded with cowbell and bass, but this is not necessary at all. For example: Freddie Dredd - Cha-Cha (cool track, I advise.) The performer wants to revive this genre again (I'm specifically talking about the same phonk I was talking about), he proves that this genre should live, but he was totally abandoned. The performers Triple Six Mafia, DJ Smokey, DJ Zirk, Prophet Posse have gone into oblivion, and I think it's unfair.Of course, I also like the phonk drift, but my thought is that the true legends of the old-school phonk have long been forgotten, and this is wrong!
Dj smokey has made a massive resurgence but it's not really phonk anymore.
We should BE HAPPY that 12-13 year olds embrace the older Memphis rap. Yes, most of the way they embrace it is cringe. But at least they EMBRACE it instead of disappearing year by year
It’s kind of similar to how Skrillex “killed” dubstep.
Sure, he makes good music but his popularity sort of made the public think he was somewhat of a pioneer of the genre (which is not true).
If you're into this kind of video and especially with dubstep I'd highly recommend taking a look at
ruclips.net/video/-hLlVVKRwk0/видео.html
This video, which goes into it really well.
he absolutely pioneered the sound into what it is now though? he was certainly on the forefront of stuff in late 2000's. dubstep isnt just skream.
Could you recommend some other dubstep artist who you think are underrated or were never given the spotlight
Skrillex didn’t kill dubstep, it’s more popular than ever rn
@@darknid158 Dude. Stop. Tracks back then were classics with 15 million + views on average and more on UKF Dubstep. Nowadays they barely scrap 10k views per song.
Same thing happened to the hyperpop genre, the spotify playlist was just filled with random pop songs with people with a bit of autotune, they even had Nav in the playlist at some point 😭
Yes but you also have to realize spotify virtually created the genre label when they saw 100 gecs, drain gang and yung lean were getting more popular. Almost every artist in the scene feels ambivalent about the genre label. What is a defining characteristic of hyperpop? Autotune? Mixing different genres together in abrasive yet pop adjacent manners? Fast time signatures? Queer artists? Sounding like 100 Gecs or PC Music? For every one of those you can find exceptions. I do find it hilarious they had a NAV song though. Hyperpop is amorphous and hard to define but its definitely not his corny ass.
As a person from Russia I can say that many people are not interested in where the history of fonk came from, few people study all this, because they are interested just to listen and that's all, even me, a person who is engaged in music, not always takes the time to study it. However, thanks for the video, I was interested in learning about this genre
I think phonk is popular in Russia because it sounds like hardbass
Sibewest from Russia got some cool tracks
@@dukelombardi4565 I'll have time to listen
fonk
я просто знал фонка в прошлом году но я думаю у нас на родине хардбас более популярен чем фонк
this video was honestly a shock to me. i discovered phonk (drift phonk) through tiktok also and never knew thats not what it all was. i did know that theres phonk and drift phonk, but i never looked too deep into it because i thought its basically the same with maybe a little differences.
drift phonk was my favorite music genre since i discovered it and im happy to see that theres more to actual phonk than it seemed to be! thank you
I discovered the genre recently, I honestly found it strange that a genre is based on a single "instrument"
Now I understand what was wrong
I've been making phonk for over 2 years now and i can say i agree with everything said in this video. Drift phonk has overshadowed real phonk so much that noone can blame people for thinking that phonk is just fast paced cowbells with some vocals slapped on it.
your tracks are no other than drift phonk
love your music!
@@ghstsamurai-4172 Aye bro,for real? I appreciate it homie,stay tuned i got some new shit coming. :)
@@blasphemane aye bet my boy
@@blasphemane as of rn, run yo pockets is my favorite
I don’t listen to Spotify but the fact that they don’t have dj Smokey, soudiere, purple posse/holy mob is actually mind blowing, that ain’t no phonk playlist without them at the bare minimum..also berrymane inteus kirbymane roland jones and many more should be in there.. also.. the legend MYTHIC RIP
fr
most people dont even know who they are lmao
@@egodeath6 which is so sad. they’re missing out on soooo much
there is holy mob ye, except dj smokey and mc holo$caust... there is dmt demons too
@@Rina_66 i see
Intro was sick bro keep up the good work
Полностью согласен с этим видео, мало кто мог задуматься о других поджанрах фонка, все только и слышали дрифт фонк. Это всё очень грустно к сожалению
ah yes. I totally agree.
You got that right. Its sad :(
тикток всё портит, эх..
впринципе, фонк с коровьими колокольчиками намного популярнее чем обычный-андеграунд фонк, а как известно хорошие исполнители этой культуры не выделялись особой популярностью, кроме лишь Freddie Dredd'а и то из-за того же тиктока(и то всего пару его треков)
@@Oldshek почти никто и не слушал не дрифт фонк, многие просто думают что дрифт фонк это фонк))
I’ve been listening to phonk since 2016 and I can’t believe that now everyone associates it with cowbells, this genre was killed by spotify and tiktok
Killed ? I mean, the people that listened to Phonk before this regretable event still listen to phonk, and it wasn’t considered dead back then
Maybe it’ll come back to a lowkey underground state, but it’ll surely not die
@@reefa4655 because of tik tok phonk will never be underground now dude
I literally just found phonk and its cool so ye
Give it time, distinctions will be made.
Reminds me of how genres like Drumstep, Brostep, Future Bass, and sometimes even DnB are being classified as "dubstep". Really wish other phonk subgenres would get their much-deserved recognition
hey who made Future bass as Dubstep?
also is it Dubstep Derivative?
Oh how much do I understand!
I agree, I've had friends ask me why I listen to dubstep when they hear me listening to Danny Byrd, Netsky, or anything on hospitality. Here in the states, at least with my experience, DnB is not as popular as it is elsewhere. But as a car enthusiast who spends hours on forza drifting, or Assetto trying to learn on a wheel, I love Drift Phonk for it's car energy. but phonk itself is a banger. I just hope people can start recognizing the Genre properly.
@@Vashtorical what does even Danny Byrd have in common with dubstep,I really don't understand why they ask
Even worse for Netsky
this guy doesn't hate phonk. he loves it. and thats why he wants other phonk to come to a rise.
Wow, I was never aware that there was a distinction between drift phonk and phonk. I always wondered why some tracks didn't follow the mould of cowbells and distortion. Thank you for the super informative video! You motivated me to do more research about this and expand my listening horizons.
Same for me. I knew there were differences but i didnt know how serious it was. Reminds me of the Hard Rock=Metal or Heavy Metal=all Metal debates
* edited well
* perfect story telling
* covers background and how far phonk goes back
* how it has become so popular
* the problems popularity is bringing to the genre
honestly great video
I'm more into Memphis horrorcore, the genre that largely inspired phonk, but even I can tell the differences between phonk and driftphonk. Really sad to see pure phonk artists not get the credit they deserve
Check my other comment I made about Memphis rap
Thank you
@@rttvplug6688 where can I find it
If you're talking about old school Memphis rap like three six mafia, that shit is not horrorcore lol that's just Phonk. The original Phonk genre
@@jackabrams5859 no the term Phonk wasn’t invented until the early 2010s lol. Stop calling Memphis Rap phonk it is an entire genre of its own. Ofc a white boy would unironically call Memphis Rap phonk.
Congratulations, Spotify has finally killed phonk...
I think the reason Spotify put cowbell heavy phonk songs is because those are just what’s popular - it went popular on tiktok because that’s just what people enjoy, and that’s an algorithmic platform so it’s not just because cowbell phonk is being pushed by spotify that’s made it popular. Spotify just want to get the most people listening, so if more people want to listen to that cowbell phonk they are gonna prioritise that on the playlist
Please collab minemanner you mine favourites youchuber
I thought the exact same thing for a second. It's true. The problem is that the whole point of adding a phone playlist, is for people to learn more about it. To get to the core of what made people want to make the music to begin with. They are absolutely able to adjust the algorithm to better represent the whole genre, but they didn't.
It's like if we started passing off all video games as the Legend of Zelda. Or all sandwiches as Philly cheese steaks.
Makes sense🫢
Minecraft no lifer 😂
but the algo generated playlist would suggest otherwise - there is a clear appeal to real phonk that could benefit the longevity of their editorial playlist. I understand financially why it makes sense now, but that is a short sighted approach
You can say this about literally any genre that went mainstream. The version of it that has the broadest appeal becomes popular. I'm sure someone's going to make this exact video about hyperpop. And someone before has already made it about dubstep. It's part of what makes new genres and kills off the old. A life cycle of sorts.
Here's the thing that he fails to mention: Phonk as it was made in the early- to mid- 2010s was a refreshed version of the Memphis and New Orleans underground sound from the early- to mid- 1990s. Just like back in the 90s, the genre ran its course, got stale, and there wasn't anything new or exciting coming out of the sound any more by the time of this new Phonk House/Drift Phonk wave. There's a reason that genres seem to change course completely before the 10 year mark, and it's not just because of commercialization or pop appeal, it's also because the sound gets played out and boring
@@pex3 i actually agree with this comment but i still feel like once something becomes mainstream (especially something once niche like phonk) it will get dried out way faster than the original phonk did plus the reason people don't like things going mainstream is because they lose the sense of community and the original purpose becomes irrelevant to the point where people are indulging something because it's popular instead of enjoying it for what it was. disliking something for getting popular is a very valid reaction imo
@@dot.7475 I just think most of the problems that you're mentioning started years ago, maybe coinciding with Soundcloud's downfall, but again, if Phonk were brand new in like 2018 and this all happened I could see the reaction. However, the genre ran its course over a decade and now it has evolved, I think. If anything, this could consolidate the original community
Basically you just gotta know where to look
@@pex3 exactly phonk is literally just 90s Memphis rap, yall listen to talk yo ass off by dj Paul
Отличное видео! Все в комментах пишут на тему видоса, но давайте глянем на стильную анимацию, которая подкрепляется подачей. Это очень круто, я как моушн -дизайнер очень восхищён вашей работой, стильно, просто и красиво, браво
Дико плюсую! + ❤️❤️❤️
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с каких пор примитивы это стиль ?
@@nxrten ладно.
@@nxrten не душни
I love how i come back to this video after a year and I don’t listen to phonk anymore
You made me fall in love with a style I did not even know existed. You're a legend, thanks for standing for that genre and helping people get recognised for what they have done for it.
its so crazy how the genre evolved from spaceghostpurrp to a totally new sound brought on by SoundCloud to the 808 cowbell heavy remix genre it is right now.
this genre been going way before purrp but respect for s/o him
Phonk evolved from Memphis in the late 90s as mentioned in the video with groups such as threesix
@@cs40660 it’s just returning to its roots with the cowbells
@@jaybird-8311 is this a literal cowbell joke?
Kind of reminds me how Bedroom Pop somehow got confused with Lofi Hip Hop and overtime it morphed the genre so much that it’s unrecognisable from what it used to be
All these niche SoundCloud era genres are falling victim. The one that hit the hardest for me was how future bass got pushed into “kawaii future bass” and now future bass is more like melodic dubstep
That's the point of music... how did you think metal, rap, rock, blues were created?
@@estebanod wait( really? I had no idea music evolved
Thank you for making this video. Your accuracy of breaking down the subgenres of phonk was chef's kiss. The evolution of the sound due to Spotify has been kinda crushing to see. Spotify did the same thing with Synthwave, Vaporwave, and pretty much every microgenre that had vibrant communities or trending potentially on social media...
I always felt like phonk was getting kinda stale with all the of the same sounds and same general vibes. I had no idea I was just looking into drift phonk.
Well, thank you for this video! I really enjoyed the genre and the actual phonk sounds great, I'll check it out!
This reminds me a lot of how rap was treated when Gangsta rap emerged. Rap got a nasty reputation of being violent, vulgar, sexist, etc.. even though what people were really criticizing was the gangster rap subgenre.
@@paemonyes8299 you don't hate rap, you hate macho, violent rap, which is made mainstream
It does NOT represent rap at all, go listen to some boombap, jazz rap, give a listen to mf doom or Andre 3000, hell go listen to wu-tang, it's not anything close
@@paemonyes8299 listen to samsa
@@Adizero2 wack both u
As a Spotify playlister curator I can say Spotify editorial playlist are always bad 💀 they always put a chill song and the next one is a screamo or a sad one.
FR ONG
B-but how else will you know it's a different song!?
@@crazydragy4233 typically a playlist will follow a theme or the songs will flow with one another. If I wanted “different” songs I would just put my whole library on shuffle and hope for the best where my lofi morning can be followed by a visual Kei band.
@@bee5021 I was joking 😭
I swear Spotify always fucks the playlists
I’ve been on top 1% listeners on spotify in the past 3 years but now im fully back to my soundcloud.
great video, Von. 🌩️
Чувак, отличное видео. Больше всего не ожидал, что кто-то возьмет скриншоты из российской соцсети. Сам видос получился очень информативным, визуал - моё почтение. Просто отличная работа
Тут грех было не взять. Все что сейчас в тиктоке набирает миллионы просмотров под хештегом фонк - фонк от СНГ исполнителей.
😁👍🏽
Justo pensé lo mismo.
Большинство фонков, что популярны на данный момент - созданы русскими, так что это не удивительно
согласен
Should have added my petition to the video lol, nah thank you for doing this g. Hopefully it helps educate some people!
You know I love your work POOTY! POOTY TIPPIN!
As a russian, i really didn't know about the OG sound of phonk. I can't say, if i like it or not. And it's really a loss that the so-called drift phonk is considered as the only option. But I don't think it's too bad, because a lot of people now know about it, and there's a bigger chanse, that people will find other sub-generes,maybe even from this vid. So thank you for your thoughts. And in the end of the day, we get to listen to songs we like and also we can discover other peoples favorites, so that's cool.
Listen to this; ruclips.net/video/1nW7HPDWLfQ/видео.html its an old tape so its not drift phonk or a phonk-genre that is overrated
Spaceghostpurrp is the originator , listen to pheel the phonk or bringing the phonk . His tape mysterious phonk is amazing . Low key by amber London , pistol grip by Xavier wulf and nell . There’s a ton of bangers from the golden days of phonk .
DJ Smokey really changed the phonk game 2013 - 2016, don't sleep on him. SLAVA UKRAINI
It originally came from Memphis Tennessee (Triple 6 mafia) C'mon who doesn't know this it's so old news I was listening to Memphis beats when I was highschool (1999) Nothing new just these Russians re made it to there own
stay safe, you Russians really don't deserve all the hate you're getting
such a perfect video man
A+ editing, A+ narration, all around great video 🔥🔥
Truuuue
Personally, I found out about the genre from Tiktok and I was blown away. I really liked the vibes of the music but I found all the noises of people talking annoying at first but with time I started to get used to it and got more deeply into it. basically what I'm trying to say is that I feel bad for the situation of the genre but I do like drift phonk much more than any other type of phonk which also explains why I never knew these types of problems.
I didnt find phonk from tik tok but I like drift phonk better than any other phonk, and I always loved the vocals because it was what made phonk, phonk.
i found because i saw a skeletons roasting jelly bean video.
I found it from car drifting video 5 years ago
@@Photops same
Yeah not gonna lie, I'm gonna be probably hated here 😅 I never knew there were so many sub-types, but for me drift phonk is always gonna be the best. I think the subgenres should be slowly trickled into the (drift) 'phonk' playlist to give the public some different flavours.
need a dj smokey documentary about the old 2011-2015 days, mentioning raider klan etc
sgp too he created it
Same thing with everyone confusing vaporwave for synthwave for some reason, not uust the music, but the aesthetic too
DUDE, your editing is sick as hell!!! This is how to perfectly combine a video and I love it. You need more recognition for it. Props dude
Классное видео, братан. Честно я фанат дрифт фонка, но редко слушал и другие жанры. Довольно жаль, если другие типы не будут выделены, ведь некоторые музыканты могут потерять шанс заработать своих слушателей, причем с такой огромной музыкальной платформы.
yess i agree!
@@thederpderp7758 people deserve it
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I dont speak russian but true
I’m definitely one of the new comers who learned about phonk from viral drift phonk songs. I really like the genre so far but I’m sure I have probably only listen to drift so far. Thanks for making this video because it’s taught me that there is a lot more to the genre for me to discover! :)
Same here
same here champ in a matter of fact I didn't even find it on tik tok.
@@sauzy0 found it because of giga chad 😂
Yooo the quality of this video is top tier, great job.
This is so interesting. Personally, I discovered phonk in 2020 from a RUclips music recommendation and then fell in love. I would really love to discover the other subgenres of phonk
I discovered phonk cause of Tfue lmaoo
Same, RUclips recommended me North Memphis by Pharmacist 1 or 2 years ago, i'm like "why is this so distorted wtf". i'm glad that I discovered the original chill sound of phonk tho
@@giancarlo418 NO WAY. I also got recommended the same song but i lowkey liked it lmao.
@@Rellux01 Same, before I only listened to popular music but after listening to "Glock C*ck - GhostFace Playa" (discovered thanks to memes) I went deeper into Phonk and now it became a dominant genre in my playlist of downloaded music.
If you want a good introduction to lofi Phonk or the original Phonk then I recommend everyone listens to Evil Wayz by DJ Smokey from start to finish. That’s what “true” Phonk sounds like.
“This shit goes so hard idk why more ppl don’t listen to it”
“OMG THIS HYPE IS KILLING THE GENRE”
We’re all fans of some niche thing that we feel is “there own thing” but I would much rather see something good receive popularity and thrive than have someone hate-keep it until it dies out. Those original creators will more than likely also grow as a result.
Preach brother
@@priyapepsi "how Spotify is killing phonk"
This video doesn’t have anything to do about gatekeeping it’s the exact opposite. Their only complaint is that Spotify didn’t do their research about the full history of the Phonk genre and that they didn’t include any old lofi Phonk by pioneers of the Phonk genre.
Though personally as someone who started listening to Phonk back in mid 2016 I also agree that Phonk finally reaching mainstream popularity is overall a really good thing. I feel proud cause I firsthand witnessed the genre start from being this obscure subgenre meant to mimic the lofi sound of 90’s Memphis rap that was almost exclusively on SoundCloud, Bandcamp, and RUclips with all Phonk tracks having less than 500k views or plays. To blowing up all over TikTok, RUclips and now streaming services like Spotify and Apple Music. I like Drift Phonk too but old school lofi Phonk will always be the best IMO.
@@gargantuanblunt yes, and the bulk of the video was him complaining that it branched out of Sound cloud and became “nothing but cowbell noises” and the last quip of the video was “let someone that know what there talking about” take the reigns.
I’ve been listening since roughly 2016 as well and it has been one my favorite genres, but I have had multiple people tell me not to listen to “there genre” just because I didn’t know a specific song/artist.
@@jakenbake4555 They're = they are, There = a place, Their = possessive plural
Incredible video man! So good 🔥
Now that you know then change the title of your video from phonk to drift phonk
Man please dig in and than make a phonk phonk song for video, you got some following, community would be grateful
Well I think you'll have to do a remake of your previous phonk video lol
The fact that I literally got a Spotify ad before this video started💀
Much appreciation to you for this bro
I love your work cloudy!
"LIKE WHAT I GOT" is one of my favourites
I'm happy someone is bringing light to this. However every genre goes through it's changes. I listen to quite a bit of everything and music never stops changing.
Welcome back man!
It's a shame so many artists are missed out of the Phonk playlist, people are missing out on so much gold and they don't even know it
💯💯💯
this editing is making me so happy oh my ♡
This whole story reminds me of the story of Dubstep all over again. Rising slowly through the years and then having a sub-genre blowing up and going viral. So nowadays, Brostep is just Dubstep and Driftphonk is just Phonk. Only difference being, I don't see the general phonk community hating on driftphonk as much as the dubstep scene hates brostep. (no hate to any genres here, I even listen to brostep unironically sometimes.)
driftphonk goes fckin nuts when driving tho so it makes sense
Breakout Dubstep slaps too
Brostep has sort of passed its era now too lmao, losing its mainstream steam around 2018, nowadays briddim and color bass dominate the dubstep scene.
I would like to say that House Phonk is Fucking Insane.
Its so fucking agressive and Wild.
I don't like the cowbell stuff because it all sounds the same to me, if you're a part of the car community you'll see how all the cringey jdm kids making terrible edits with the same songs over and over again, even if the song is good it suffers from over saturation and unoriginality
never did spotify, never will. soundcloud and bandcamp and that's all we need.
I’m in the same boat, I don’t produce phonk but I’m never touching Spotify
In SoundCloud we mf trust brothers
Idk what yall complaining about some of that new shit kinda slaps ngl. Classic is good for the low n slow cruises tho
FUCK SPOTIFY! THEY ONLY WANT MONEY
I'm better if phonk was still an underground type thing
When I first heard drift phonk, I thought it was pretty cool and something very different. But it really didnt take long to find out every song sounds the same.
Now I've looked up some artist from the other subgenres and I can already tell how much more nuance there is to the songs.
Kind of reminds me of hardstyle. Early hardstyle from the 2000s sounds very different from what it is today. One subgenre started dominating and defined the genre as a whole.
All the 6th graders after hearing about phonk : IM UNSTOPPABLE
I'm honestly kind of glad this video got recommended to me, just kept getting recommendations on RUclips for drift phonk stuff but I didn't know much about phonk at the time and just gave some of that specific subgenre a listen. However, knowing how much more there is out there because of this video, I'm gonna start researching it a bit more. I love learning about music and finding out how much more there is really broadened my horizons. I'm so excited to check out phonk as a whole!
0:08 oh shitttt this hits hard🔥🔥🔥
That is entirely correct. I've been having the same problem and recently noticed, I really hope i didn't confuse people about my mixtapes that include a lot of cowbells as i have also not put 'drift phonk" into the title. i've watched drift phonk be born and i am surprised to see how far it came and to a point it reached Spotify like this.
Your mixtapes are sick
yooo I remember listening to your old compilations a couple years ago
Nice educational video, I also thought phonk was only the drift beats and had no idea it was just a sub-genre, and I have also seen many people call drift phonk simply "phonk"