Decoy Spreads | Diagrams to Manipulate Ducks | Decoy Masterclass Pt 2

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @SurvivingDuckSeason
    @SurvivingDuckSeason  4 года назад +4

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    • @henryroop3671
      @henryroop3671 3 года назад

      If wood ducks are more common in my area, would it be a good idea to replace the teal decoys with wood ducks??

    • @henryroop3671
      @henryroop3671 3 года назад

      @Brigitte Cura wtf lmaooo

    • @henryroop3671
      @henryroop3671 3 года назад

      @Frederick Doby wait no u both are scam things trying to scam people, you can’t hack with it it just a hacks you instead

    • @henryroop3671
      @henryroop3671 3 года назад

      @Brigitte Cura I didn’t even try it I just looked it up on google and saw a Reddit response

  • @RetrieverTrainingAlone
    @RetrieverTrainingAlone 4 года назад +2

    Excellent tip on using teal decoys in the center and highly visible black decoys!! Cross wind instead of directly down wind makes sense so birds working into the wind are not directly looking at the blind, upwind wall of decoys, decoys located where want ducks not to land, spinners in flooded timber on the outside....all great tips!
    Sometimes smart mallards land outside my decoys. On those days with a cross wind setup I will lay out 50 yards down wind from the dekes so mallard landing into the crosswind outside the dekes are landing where I am laying out. Same concept on a calm day in a 80 yard pond...I sit on the opposite bank away from the 40 yards of dekes so birds landing outside the dekes are close to where I am laying out. Sometime moving the shooting location instead of moving the dekes is a simple solution and easy for me as a solo hunter.

  • @gv1857
    @gv1857 4 года назад +4

    Ordered some black ducks and pintails. I pretty much do what your diagrams suggest except for those colors. Thanks for the tips. Also, my wife hates when the kids and I practice calling so we are banned from making any quacks (or yelps) in the house. Lol! we are addicted

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  4 года назад

      Right on! I know the feeling... at least (sometimes) I can use the excuse that I'm doing it for a video!

  • @scrappy1431
    @scrappy1431 2 года назад +6

    Man this is a great video. You really should think about making decoy setup cards based on these scenarios. Kind of like there are cards used in sports, golf, archery etc. A duck hunter could look at a card and set up based on similar conditions wind, blind, tree line, etc. A setup model with brief conditions for the decoy spread on the cards. Just cut me in for the idea if you get rich. LOL

  • @mattbugg4568
    @mattbugg4568 4 года назад

    That's the best video I have seen out there for decoy spreads. I differ on how to use flappers than everyone else but it might be a regional thing because I was taught how to set flappers by locals years ago. For some reason they don't like the reflection of a duck close to the flappers and if they are close to the water this happens. Putting them over shrubs or ground works but it doesn't have great visibility from the air. Just a difference. Also when you set your deaks you should measure distance as all the spreads you showed you can be near enough. But when a duck flair it drifts in the ground effect for 20-25 yards. So you want your outbound deaks 20-25 yards behind the actual touchdown point, and your wall appropriately the same distance in front from the touchdown point. And making the hook and string distance the distance of the hole gives the entire opportunity for them to land. Also if im Putting pin tails into the spread there is two classic grey areas one is just mixing them into the mallards the other is a family group. But if you're running teal and blacks in the spread or gadwall, put three drakes together and two drakes mixed into the mallards on that side of the spread, and if you have a patch of still water throw a few mallard butts and a pin tail butt into it. They do intermix but if you get groups of pins coming in they will key off on pins grouping together. Where the mallards they are kinda just a confidence decoy. Also never forget your brown hen or two, don't know why but there kinda like black duck decoys the mallards will key off of a all brown hen in the burnt seinna color.

  • @josephbaughman4058
    @josephbaughman4058 Год назад

    I don’t usually comment on RUclips videos but I had to drop you a huge thank you! I got into duck hunting late in the game, am largely self taught, and am pretty far off the flyways. The tree line blind spread changed my game. This season I hardly had to use my call and had ducks coming in cupped up right into the middle of my spread. You’re content is great and it’s greatly appreciated!

  • @adde32332
    @adde32332 4 года назад +1

    Your content sets yourself apart from the other waterfowl youtubers; most of them don't go into any detail other than how many birds they are blasting. You have earned my sub! I look forward to watching your channel grow.

  • @kraigkaatz6858
    @kraigkaatz6858 Год назад

    Hey Joel,
    I have watched these two videos multiple times in the last couple of years. I have learned so very much and have been able to this new found knowledge to really increase my success. We have translated this information to our goose hunting in the fields and it has been a great changer... we typically hunt permanent blinds and so our options are limited but our success has increased... Thanks Joel.. God Bless

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  Год назад

      Awesome! Thanks for letting me know Kraig!

    • @mikepirrone97
      @mikepirrone97 Год назад

      @@SurvivingDuckSeason I'm new to waterfowl for the most part. Over previous years I've just gone hunting 1-2x a season when invited but am getting more into it and wanting to learn to be able to go to a place and set up on my own.
      My question is, would you say geese decoy the same as ducks for the most part? Would you use these same setups for hunting geese? I'm located on Marylands Eastern Shore. I'd say the answer would be yes but wanted to ask. Is there anything you change when geese are the target?

  • @phillipaton658
    @phillipaton658 4 года назад +1

    I learn so much from your videos Joel! I’m gonna be hunting from a kayak this year so I’m gonna be using about a dozen and a half to two dozen decoys so I can’t have gigantic spreads but I will definitely use this information I learned. Thanks buddy!

  • @sasquatch3800
    @sasquatch3800 16 дней назад

    This may sound stupid. Joel, i love all your videos, but i keep thinking people forget to use the other holes in the keel! I think that helps even more so they dont look in one general direction. Love your videos!! Keep them coming!

  • @CampusWaterfowl
    @CampusWaterfowl 4 года назад +1

    Great information, Joel!! This will certainly come in handy this hunting season!

  • @jeremybreeden77
    @jeremybreeden77 4 года назад

    Thanks for the decoy strategies Joel! I'm really glad you addressed the myth you have to have the wind at your back. I've met several people that won't hunt if they don't have the "right" wind. Looking forward to the next video and as always take care and God bless!

  • @Woodsrider9338
    @Woodsrider9338 4 года назад

    I razzed you about having to wait and here I am an hour after you uploaded, i guess I am the one that needs to pay attention. Great content again, keep it up I am learning so much even after 35 years of years of chasing fowl. Thanks have a blessed day!

  • @HokeOutdoors
    @HokeOutdoors 4 года назад

    Great video Joel! One thing I will add is that for those in an area with a lot of black ducks you may want to separate your black decoys from mallards since from my limited experience they tend to do their own thing, especially when feeding. The mallards love them mixed together but the blacks will land short a lot if they don't see a group of them by themselves.

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  4 года назад

      Thanks Thomas. I didn’t know that. If I’m lucky I’ll see 1 black duck per year in Arkansas. Thanks for the tip!

  • @ejcked
    @ejcked Год назад

    I like the way you spend time for your contents. Worth watching

  • @woodduck635
    @woodduck635 4 года назад

    Great advice Joel! I wish I could go back to high school and college with this knowledge!!! My dad was a bit of a minimalist (or lazy), so we rarely set out many decoys. Live and learn! 🥴

  • @danielfuller6679
    @danielfuller6679 4 года назад

    Hands down, Best video ever! ;)
    I sent this to my hunting buddies. Really nice visual and explanation.

  • @DaddyDuck365
    @DaddyDuck365 4 года назад

    Great video Joel...this has to be the best explanation of different decoy patterns I have heard......well done....as always...

  • @ksoutdoorsports
    @ksoutdoorsports 4 года назад +2

    Love the diagrams very informative. Love the Spoonzilla.

  • @shanefranklin9471
    @shanefranklin9471 4 года назад

    Really good stuff Joel!! We've got a couple young guys we're mentoring and I've got them watching your vids anyway, but these last 2 are invaluable for their future success as duck hunters. Even as an "old dog " there are a couple things that I'm gonna have to try! I think just always considering how every thing we do setting up will affect what the ducks do is huge and to me maybe the most fun of all!

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  4 года назад

      Yep, I know what you mean. Glad to see ya'll mentoring... way to go!

  • @Goosemaster1810
    @Goosemaster1810 4 года назад

    Very very well presented Joel.Your years of experience really shows. Keep up the great work God Bless you and yours.

  • @cfoutdoors243
    @cfoutdoors243 4 года назад

    Great vid Joel. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I've had to move dekes multiple times to get the ducks to come in.

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  4 года назад

      You're welcome! Yeah, sometimes it takes a minute to figure em out for the day!

  • @stephenswanzy5248
    @stephenswanzy5248 4 года назад

    Awesome info brother! Loved it! My dad was a big user in the J formation for decoys, so I generally do the same but putting some teal decoys out in the middle was something I never thought about. Will try it out. Thx for putting it together and sharing all your experience. 👊🏻

  • @marcchenoweth8276
    @marcchenoweth8276 4 года назад +1

    Colors! Black and white. Most dominant color that can be seen! I've seen black painted milk jugs decoy birds.

  • @robertwebb2721
    @robertwebb2721 4 года назад +1

    Excellent tutorial! Thank you!

  • @mz6267
    @mz6267 Год назад +1

    Joel. I’m rewatching your decoy videos again. We used some of your suggestions last year and they definitely helped. Where we hunt, that’s saying something because we mostly hunt on public land with lots of competition and duck hunting is HARD. Right now we are getting all our decoys rigged up properly and cleaning and repainting where needed. One question I have: do you ever change the species of decoys you use based on weather? For instance, on a sunny day vs a cloudy day. Are there times when you use more dark decoys like black ducks or coots, or times when you’d want more decoys with a lot of white like buffleheads, canvasback, or bluebills? Are there times when you’d want “duller” decoys like gadwalls, or more hens than drakes?
    Thanks for great videos and sharing your knowledge and experience.

  • @samprice624
    @samprice624 4 года назад

    Great video it’s really helpful thanks for the good work and honest opinions god bless and good luck

  • @codymorrison3485
    @codymorrison3485 4 года назад +2

    Would like to see a really good field video. Tips and tricks what switches from the marsh to the field each for ducks and geese. Seasoned here, but really hunt fields a lot more than most here. Wanna hear some different takes and views!!

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  4 года назад +1

      All of the sets in this video (except the timber one) are ones I regularly use in fields. More than half of what we hunt is rice, soybean fields and moist soil, and the sets are mostly interchangeable. The main difference in moist soil or marshes is they often have more standing vegetation the protects the water from the wind. In fields it more open and no tall cover, so the wind can easily move the decoys around and ripples on the water. What would you like to see that's different than what I showed in this video?

  • @willrevels9909
    @willrevels9909 4 года назад

    Never seen it explained so well!

  • @tommygray8520
    @tommygray8520 4 года назад

    Thanks Joel for all the information. I am a new duck and goose hunter

  • @tylersGBO
    @tylersGBO 4 года назад +2

    Thoughts on replacing teal with Wood duck decoys in areas with high wood duck count?

  • @hunterElon_MARZ
    @hunterElon_MARZ 4 года назад

    Hunting in Wisconsin starts this Saturday thanks for some extra tips this year

  • @grantwisniewski2530
    @grantwisniewski2530 4 года назад

    Joel, could you perhaps do a pt. 3 with some insight on ideal spreads for mountain river hunting? We hunt the not very wide mountain rivers in Colorado and hide in the willows. Mostly mallards teal and dark geese cruise down the rivers. Not a lot of water to work with (rivers about 15 yards wide).

  • @Drblood6721
    @Drblood6721 4 года назад

    First!!! Let's go Joel the duck wizard!

  • @DuckalopeOutdoors
    @DuckalopeOutdoors 4 года назад

    Awesome info!! Can’t wait to get out there on the 10th!

  • @Blue_Collar_Hunter
    @Blue_Collar_Hunter 4 года назад

    Awesome stuff here! You could print a book on these tips and make some extra decoy money 😁. Thanks Joel.

  • @codyherring5591
    @codyherring5591 2 года назад

    Very informative! Thank you!

  • @graydoncarruth5044
    @graydoncarruth5044 4 года назад

    Absolutely love your info sir. As an East AR hunter the only thing I would respectfully disagree with is your speck decoy placement. We do the exact opposite. Wall to stop short-stopping.

  • @cooperstricherz6789
    @cooperstricherz6789 4 года назад

    That helps a lot keep up the great videos

  • @justinvandefifer2963
    @justinvandefifer2963 3 года назад +1

    Have you done a video about what species of ducks don't like to land with certain other species

  • @aaronsnatic2446
    @aaronsnatic2446 4 года назад

    Well worth the wait! Great information and explanation of why you do it this way. I gleaned a few things I'm going to try this season.

  • @nikkibrooks2825
    @nikkibrooks2825 4 года назад

    Thank you for the info... It should help my family's success

  • @matthewleon8148
    @matthewleon8148 4 года назад +1

    Hey Joel, i am up in Minnesota. We have a large population of ringneck ducks. So would you recommend replacing black ducks in my spread with ringneck ducks. The decoys are still dark in color but i am not sure if they would look weird mixed in with mallards or not. Also are you where do you like to place your diver decoys? We have a large migration of divers that come down and i never know if my divers are right.

  • @mikeries8549
    @mikeries8549 4 года назад +1

    Something it took someone else explaining is this...
    On big water if youre up against trees on the bank with that wind at your back scenario going on you may notice ducks landing well short of the spread in breezy conditions. What's happening is the ducks come in like normal then just run out of gas. Whats going on is they hit the stale air and lose their lift. If that is happening. .move.
    I like the wind blowing across my spread from the side. The lakes I hunt are designed to catch wind to cool nuclear power stations...long shallow cooling lakes lined up.with prevailing winds that get rough.

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  4 года назад

      right on!

    • @mikeries8549
      @mikeries8549 4 года назад +1

      @@SurvivingDuckSeason sounds odd but I flew rc airplanes. Its a lot like calling ducks believe it or not.

  • @anonymous_friend
    @anonymous_friend 3 года назад +2

    Im a new hunter in Oklahoma trying to build a small spread. Starting out should I get some Canadas or Specklebelly’s? Also in regards to teal, should I go with blue or green? Thanks for helping us new hunters out!

    • @johnschulte23
      @johnschulte23 3 года назад +1

      With teal you just need bodies on the water early season it doesn’t matter just make sure you have spinners

    • @anonymous_friend
      @anonymous_friend 3 года назад

      @@johnschulte23 Ive got dove spinners and mallard drake spinners. Those work ok for teal?

    • @johnschulte23
      @johnschulte23 3 года назад +1

      Yep that’s what I use

  • @jackss2007
    @jackss2007 4 года назад

    Thanks Joel. great info I've been binge watching your videos. getting ready for this season. question for you do you think we will have a better season since the Canadian border is closed

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  4 года назад

      Glad you enjoy the content! I honestly doubt that the border closing will have little impact one way or the other.

    • @jackss2007
      @jackss2007 4 года назад

      Thanks and God bless

  • @davycrockett4360
    @davycrockett4360 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for the great video, do you ever use a few Canadians to go with the Specs I was thinking it would add some more visual aid?

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  4 года назад

      You can certainly use them. We just don't have many Canada geese in Arkansas, so I never thought of it. We do have thousands of Specks and we are trying to attract them as well.

    • @davycrockett4360
      @davycrockett4360 4 года назад

      Thanks I will be hunting in Northeast Arkansas in the St. Francis floodway

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  4 года назад

      Davy Crockett right on!

  • @patrickbordelon3654
    @patrickbordelon3654 4 года назад +1

    I have to disagree with your thoughts on coot decoys. I put out several dozen around my blind, within 10-15 yard, in a tight raft and the majority of my birds land really close to that raft. Ive watched birds in open water pour into rafts of coots. I use to hunt saltwater marsh and would still use my coot decoys and the birds would land in them even though there were not any coots for miles. I hunt southwest Louisiana. Great video you gave me lots of ideas that i am gonna try.

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  4 года назад

      I guess I’m going to have to try that with black ducks. lol Are you only using coots or using other species too?

    • @patrickbordelon3654
      @patrickbordelon3654 4 года назад

      @@SurvivingDuckSeason i use everything that we see in our marsh. Teal gadwall mallards and pintail. With a few widgeon and spoonies thrown in there. And most of my coot decoys are old decoys spray painted black (flat black) with lots of white on the bill. We are kinda open water and run 5-7 dozen. That's how I was taught by my uncles back in the early 80s and that what they were taught by my grandfather back in the 50s. When old Cajuns speak about duck hunting I've learned to listen very carefully 🤣🤣

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  4 года назад

      Patrick Bordelon right on!

    • @westpac6954
      @westpac6954 4 года назад

      Duck hunting in general is so regional specific. Spreads and calling tactics used up North don't generally translate to hunting southern LA. By the time ducks get here they seen and heard it all. Coot decoys work in LA because their duck brain sees them and say, "hey it's those guys that never get shot at!" Heck I even know a guy that hunts Cameron Parish that refuses to put out mallard decoys. He says ducks have seen those decoys for the entire flyway.

    • @patrickbordelon3654
      @patrickbordelon3654 4 года назад

      @@westpac6954 just when I thought all the smart hunters were a thing of the past here you come to restore my faith in duck hunters 🤣🤣🤣. But you are correct on the mallard decoys. We don't see them like we use to down here so why put out alot of them out? If decoys were so damn expensive i would probably run nothing but teal and gadwall decoys and coot decoys and have sucess hunting cause those are the main birds i see.

  • @bmoutdoors_5912
    @bmoutdoors_5912 4 года назад +1

    I love your channel I learns the feeding call from you could you please tell colt I love his TikTok

  • @loganariza4543
    @loganariza4543 4 года назад

    Keep up the good video

  • @TheGDizzo
    @TheGDizzo 3 года назад

    If you're just starting out, and have a low number of decoys, let's say 6. Do you still try to form that sort of scoop shape to encourage landing in the void in the center? Or do you instead just go for that small cluster in the center and be ready for them to land on either-/or side of the central clump?

  • @chriszito7768
    @chriszito7768 4 года назад

    So where I hunt at with my buddy we have a big mix of puddlers and divers .. what’s a good spread to Integrating both ?

  • @podunkish2278
    @podunkish2278 4 года назад

    Fantastic

  • @joshuaeck2712
    @joshuaeck2712 4 года назад

    Get information thank you doing that!!

  • @beauchesnepo
    @beauchesnepo 2 года назад

    I learned a lot for this, but where would you place your jerk line? In the "wall"?

  • @jboatb
    @jboatb 4 года назад

    How about your set up for
    impoundment hunting?

  • @jerrythompson2608
    @jerrythompson2608 2 года назад

    Will these spreads work with honkers and lessers??

  • @dtroy15
    @dtroy15 4 года назад +1

    Skip to 2:30 and thank me later.
    I know you've got to pitch your merch and want to contextualize, but you could do that in 30s. I was wondering if your would ever get to the titular point.

  • @austinpiepgras8363
    @austinpiepgras8363 11 месяцев назад

    What about a no wind set up?

  • @travishintz9465
    @travishintz9465 4 года назад

    Do you have any videos on chokes, shotguns, shot size?

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  4 года назад +1

      I don't have right now, I do have one scheduled to do in the next few weeks though!

  • @josephbarlow8025
    @josephbarlow8025 11 месяцев назад

    Joel, what's your take on using woodie decoys as part of spreads?

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  11 месяцев назад +1

      I use them!

    • @josephbarlow8025
      @josephbarlow8025 10 месяцев назад

      @@SurvivingDuckSeason do you mix them in or separate them as their on group? Also, how many do you recommend?

  • @gaco49
    @gaco49 Год назад

    Yassss

  • @jimrennie9497
    @jimrennie9497 4 года назад

    With the first setup ( the most common ) , which decoys do you hook onto the jerk cord ?

    • @SurvivingDuckSeason
      @SurvivingDuckSeason  4 года назад

      I usually run the jerk cord through the wall.

    • @jimrennie9497
      @jimrennie9497 4 года назад

      @@SurvivingDuckSeason excellent-thanks for the tip

  • @John-uj9zy
    @John-uj9zy 4 года назад +1

    Scout and find out what the birds in your area do and copy that. Lose the guesswork and make your own luck.

  • @woalmann6288
    @woalmann6288 4 года назад

    Awesome info! Thank you! What’s your take on setting multiple species together? I’m talking a mix of gadwall, mallards, widgeon, pintail and so on. Do you intermingle the species all together or Group each species together with their own?

    • @wilesdukedubose4431
      @wilesdukedubose4431 3 года назад +1

      Wes,
      Maybe Joel is too busy to answer.
      Keep in mind, he hunts mostly on private land.
      Don't know where you hunt, but if on public land that attracts a lot of waterfowl, more decoys the better.
      Depending on the specie that is most common, go with that type with decoys (your main decoy).
      Example; if Pintail is the main duck, use mostly pintail as your main body, with the other species placed here and there.
      Leave "holes" or openings throughout your spread.
      I hunt mostly for Pintail and widgeon.
      My spread consist of 3 dozen sprig and 2 dozen widgeon.
      I put my pintail upwind and more out and the widgeon behind, closer to the blind, then downwind some a few teal in the shallows.
      Gadwall will mix with widgeon.
      I've seen Pintail and widgeon using the same area, but they kinda keep to there own.
      Mallards work to their own better, but Pintail and mallards will mix some.
      Hope this helps

    • @woalmann6288
      @woalmann6288 3 года назад +1

      @@wilesdukedubose4431 thank you that helps out a bunch

    • @wilesdukedubose4431
      @wilesdukedubose4431 3 года назад

      @@woalmann6288 where will you be hunting?

    • @woalmann6288
      @woalmann6288 3 года назад

      @@wilesdukedubose4431 I hunt mainly northeast Texas lakes

    • @wilesdukedubose4431
      @wilesdukedubose4431 3 года назад

      @@woalmann6288 I got ya. I imagine ya get a sprinkling of a species.

  • @chiefenwolf6073
    @chiefenwolf6073 3 года назад +1

    Where are your spinning decoys in your diagrams?

  • @pearljameric
    @pearljameric 4 года назад

    Damn I can only take about 2 dozen decoys with me.

  • @jimmymesler2134
    @jimmymesler2134 Год назад

    Best duck decoy is a goose decoy... Leave the duck call alone and let the goose decoys work for ducks,

  • @loganariza4543
    @loganariza4543 4 года назад +1

    Could you do the first comment gets a surviving duck season shirt

  • @kjmcswag2499
    @kjmcswag2499 2 года назад

    Was he seriously using a shoveler mojo

    • @thornvfx
      @thornvfx Год назад

      It's a joke...Spoonzilla. However, the motion of the spinning wings serves it's purpose. And let's be real, if you're hunting fields in Arkansas, there are going to be plenty of shovelers about. Therefore, it's also realistic.

  • @rorysr.fundell2564
    @rorysr.fundell2564 2 года назад

    All good advice.We need it!

  • @rorysr.fundell2564
    @rorysr.fundell2564 2 года назад

    All good tips!