Should you buy a Fantic Caballero 500 or 700? ‖ A dog decides...
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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2023
- Thank you to MidWest Moto for the borrowing of these two bikes both of which are 'demo' models that you can come a ride back to back. The question is which of these bikes is more suitable for you. One is lighter and cheaper and the other has much more power and technology but comes at a cost. Both Cabelleros are styled beautifully and will definitely draw looks out and about... Please do let me know what you think in the comments.
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A 700 Rally please 🙏🏼
It's called the Yamaha Tenere 700.
@@jakeviolet2195 yes T700 right but I want the caballero 700 retro look and rally components please
Both great looking bikes. The 500 tops it for me though
Agreed!
I like your style of presentation. Thanks for the comparison!
Now, Fantic, I'd like to have the 700 with the headlight and color options of the 500, pretty please.
My thoughts exactly ! The look of the 500 is vastly superior in my opinion, but the sound of the 700... 😍
Thanks avusblau. Appreciate the comment ☺️
They are both great bikes but I stick to my 500 Rally its so mutch fun ;)
Glad you like the Rally 500! Not ridden that one yet...
Man it's getting hard to choose a new bike these days. So many good choices on offer. The Fantic 700 is another class of bike compared to the 400s, Ninja, KTMs, Triumphs, but the CP2 motor is a really good one. With the improvements to the dash information,(I like to have a better idea how much fuel I have), I lean more towards the Fantic 700, but really, the 500 seems a treat to. I need to buy a farm with a lot of shed space.
700 for me and I say the dog is right
Great looking machines again and top video 😊😊😊😊
Thanks Phil! Hope you're well. Nice bit of sun this weekend, hope you get a ride in...
Both great looking bikes but I think I prefer the 500
Leaning a little towards the 500 myself, but then I have never had a Fantic before!
@@MindfulMotorcyclist I’m thinking the 500 might be better for light green lane stuff so might be practical for my commute needs
In the 500 range there are also more colours and options. You've got the Deluxe, 50th anniversary and then the Rally and Explorer versions. The last two have more trick bits for green laning... I've got a video showing them all 😃
no discussion: chinese engine vs CP2 yam engine..period. even if, personally, i prefer the look of the 500.
CP2 I would say preferred to Zongshen NC450 but the Chinese don't make bad engines, if it's lightweight you're after then the 500 wins still.
The 500 is a great second bike. Love it .. on and off road. I reckon the 700 will be a great 'only' bike or starter bike. That Yammy engine is a top class bit of kit.
Thanks 👍, appreciate the comment.
I've ridden 15,000 kilometres on my 500 Fast Track around the hills and mountains of Portugal and my verdict? It's a masterpiece. Yes, I'm exaggerating a little, but it's an absolute blast, so much fun, and I just couldn't think of ever selling it. It's just too good. The lead broquet I added to the fuel tank, to enrich the fuel, makes it sharper, and I've added heated grips and a radiator cover.
Do you live in Portugal then? Or just visit there a lot?
What did you add to the fuel tank ?
I also wondered this, perhaps you add a basket of lead to act as a lead additive to the fuel? Never heard of it before though...
@@MindfulMotorcyclist It was 'a thing' in the UK back when unleaded was introduced. IIRC Performance Bikes did dyno tests and found it made no difference to anything
I would pick the 500 after my eyes, ear, heart and the weight, but definitely the 700 is the better choice after my brain and value for the money! Great comparison mate! 🙂
Thanks Lazlo, I think your heart would say 700, yes it's worse in some ways and not a great off road bike but you'd have fun everytime you went for a ride and even everytime you looked in your garage! Amazing bike.
I need to get myself to Mid west to have a look at one in the flesh. I like the Flat Track version which I know they may be discontinuing. On the 500 did I see rusty bolts on the mirror support brackets? I noted on the ByBre that I had them on the KTM and they worked perfectly fine. If you want you could always upgrade them. Nice video.
Thanks Martin, if you do go in to Midwest would you mind mentioning that you saw the video. I think that would be nice for them as they have kindly allowed me to film quite a lot of their motorcycles this year...
@@MindfulMotorcyclist will do 👍
Sure the engine in the 500 is made by the same people that do some of the smaller bmw engines? So glad you have a video comparing them as im looking at the fantic bikes
This motor is the Zongshen NC450 which is quite a new motor. I believe Zongshen have a partnership with HD. It's Loncin that are building BMW 750 and 850GS engines. I think CFmoto are building KTM so everyone has a partnership somewhere 😀
Main différence is the exhaust pipe along your knee on rhe 500. So bad when you stand up on rough trails.
Thanks a good one! Thanks Pierre.
The 500 should have only one exhaust outlet. 2 is a bit much for a single cilinder engine.
Nice comparison, thanks for uploading.
Thanks Cornes for the comment. I think like everything on the Fantic it's style first... The exhaust does look the part that's for sure...
It’s the 700 for me.
I’ve already got a 500!
Which 500 did you get?
@@MindfulMotorcyclistHi! I've got a 2019 Flat Track in black. I bought it second hand about a year ago. It's a great little bike, best looker of the bunch (IMO!) Always gets attention wherever bikers gather and often when just riding around the London streets. Unfortunately there are very few accessories made for it... Unlike the Scrambler and the Rally, you can't get an off the shelf rear rack or a side pannier for these. The arse end is different. I do have a small tank bag, it does me,,, I ain't really going anywhere!
Nice, sounds like a great bike especially for city work...
I have a Vitpilen 701 for faster riding, but find myself on the Cab far more often. Never really needed the extra power for the roads I ride. I do wonder if the 700 would be over kill ?
Actually think i like the 500 more.....but nowhere near as much as i like the Super meteor 650!! 😂😉
I am marginally in the 500 camp, but yes anything RE and I'm 😋. There's £500 off Interstellar SM650s now from MotoGB. I don't think Astral/Celestial qualify for it however... I quite like the Astral, simple is better IMO.
Hey Mindfull what about getting a review of the Mash 650 X trail,,,, I love the look and its at a good price
Thanks Lipsee, I'll look into some options to get hold of one but I'm not aware of a dealer near me and I'm not (yet 😊) the kind of RUclipsr that a motorcycle just turns up at my doorstep haha!
I just called my nearest dealer 'Midlife Classics', they put me onto MotoMondo and a nice lady said she would try and help out with one so I guess watch this space. Thanks for the suggestion Lipsee... 😊
I had the 500, it kept cutting out quite sharply every time I throttled off, Zong Shen engine I think, I won’t be buying Chinese again.
@6:37 Wow, they certainly don't hold back on greasing the axle shaft well.
It's an excellent dealership so I assume the PDI would be top notch... if that was part of the PDI could be from factory also.
Fantic...first Moto3 win in Austria... going places!
Definitely the best looking bikes in their price class too. Sub £10k nothing is as premium feeling...
I see the green sticker on the Speedo / rpm meter on the 500 , if you rev below the engine is to rough, i guess
Not sure what that is about tbh...
@@MindfulMotorcyclist that is a Marker " which Marks " the sweet Spot " Rev s per Minute" so that you ca n accelerate from, If you are below ( the green point) the Caballero is to " Torque weak" and everything including the Chain Just rattles Like a Tool Box ..keep the revs high and you are good to go🤘
Thanks RV that's super useful to know! 🙏😀
My pleasure Sir
Buuut, it's not true tho?
I have the 500 and it only revs up to somwhere around ~8,000 rpm and drives the smoothest between 4,500 and 6,000 rpm.
The green sticker is most likely just left from checking if the instruments work...
what do you think about Caballero 500 vs Triumph Scrambler 400x?
Caballero is more off road, much nicer finished but the Triumph is cheaper and more mass market. The Triumph might have a slightly better engine but I've not compared stats. Caballero is Italian style & flair and Triumph is Indian productivity and excellent value. Triumph will be way more popular...
@@MindfulMotorcyclist And dont forget, the Cab 500 is faster. The 400x needs about 7-8 secs to 100.
Regarding "fit and finish" on the 500 At 5.22. I cannot say I,m too impressed with the rusted screws heads considering its a new bike... The speedo ,,, Honestly it would be no good for me,,, I would have to put on my glasses to see whats what (same with the 700..) I much prefer the speedo fuel gauge etc on my Himalayan and its alot cheaper.. lasty the exhaust on the 500,,I dislike it alot ,it goes a full circle then out though the frame and the slip on,s look cheap...goes for both bikes.. Honestly I think the 700 is too pricey but its probably a nice bike to ride,, and I think the 500 you can get better value elsewear.. err maybe the BSA or the 650 Enfield....
Hi Lipsee, thanks for the comment. All valid points and it's nice to have a contrasting view and important to critically look at something. The speedo does draw some criticism, that is something I've heard before. When the 450 Himmy comes then that will be a real alternative... 40hp and RE charm... I'm excited to see this bike.
@@MindfulMotorcyclist Errrrr The 450 Him,,,,for myself its a bigg no no... The charm of the Himalayan is the Long stroke engine,designed for India,,, a 40hp motor is really a short stroke Japanese engine (think DR400) not the same thing at all.. but I have been wrong before ,so lets see !!!!
I rode the 500 on a group test for an online publication a couple of years ago and it was an absolute blast. You are correct, in my opinion, about the clock as it was too small for my eyes. The fit and finish of the bike was excellent on the one I rode and indeed it was impressively so. The screw heads on this one may be an anolmoly but far from being unique in todays market. There was a Himalayan on that same group test, which we did in Croatia ,and with a lot of trail riding in it. I really wanted to like the RE and I did but in the final summing up it is let down by its lack of get and up go. The Fantic 500 is not a powerful bike on paper but it was far more capable than the Himalayan was of getting through anything even resembling non paved surfaces, and generally more fun. As I say I do like the Himalayan but it is definitely more of an example of form over function with its pseudo dual trail styling, and is at its best when purely kept on the road.
@@stephenedwards3397 Thats what its all about "Having a Blast"
Is the 500cc is a Yamaha engine as well? tnx...
It's the Zongshen NC450 engine, not a Yamaha lump :)
@@MindfulMotorcyclist Thank you very much, do you think its a really good engine, or average? I really like the Caballero 500 Rally! But I try not do buy chineese stuff for many reasons... Tnx again..
@@patfrazerit's the same engine that KTM (I think) used for one of their Enduros and is assembled in Italy in case of Fantic.
I have the 500 Rally (built 2023) and had no issues for 8.000km as of yet, only issue is the electronics of the bike (just some issues with the warning light for running low on fuel, but it's indicated on the display as well anyways)
Yes, let the dog decide... Ruby Rides!
Is that Ruby? I get confused!
Should be a regular feature, FTR S vs FTR Carbon... a dog decides!
@@MindfulMotorcyclist Ruby has the silver muzzle.
Is there a USB-Socket in the 700?
J'ai fait rajouter gratuitement par le garage au moment de la vente.
There is indeed. Thanks 😊
Man im doing my motorcycle licence and I think i wanna buy Caballero 500 rally
Thanks for the comment. It would be a great first bike that's for sure. The rally does have a little bit taller seat height but if you're tall that's probably no issue for you. Thanks 👍🙏
I stick to the 500
Where's the test ride, the 700 twin engine is too big to be fun they should of worked harder to secure a lightweight 600 or 700 single. It had the potential. To be a modern day xt500 .... such a shame.
Test ride was part of another video on the Cabby 700...
1l of petrol weight 0,75kg. 12 liters weigh 9kg, not 12kg.
Thanks Moto!
One liter of fuel weighs 0,7 kg
The 500 looks better. Lighter, cheaper. I'd have a 500. I wouldn't want the 700.
Most would agree with you here. The 700 I hear is struggling to sell at £9699...
Over priced, need at least 20% off😂😂😂
Can't argue with this... sales will now crash because of cheaper alternatives like the Triumph 400x...
Thanks for the review. It's about the weight. Out of that reason for me any time the Caballero 500. With 180kg for the Triumph, I would -in that weight class- certainly go for the Caballero 700 or the XSR700, Duc, ...
Good English dude. Keep doing observes further on. 😎
Thank you!