I’m not going to outright say that the giants are unintelligent, but Gough thinks he is blind because his helmet has the eye holes filled with resin. That’s almost the equivalent of Ricky Bobby thinking he is paralyzed because he sat down in a wheel chair.
Well actually in the lore many have a prejudice against giants so his fellow knights filled his helmet with resin to hinder his archery but he continued to wear the helmet to prove them wrong and be the bigger man... well literally aswell
That's the thing: He doesn't. Try putting melted pine resin in your eyes. Through an eyehole. Now, tell me how it feels. I can't believe I have to say this, but this is a very, very old theory. And it is one that I think is legitimately stupid; like, what do you think happens when you get stuff like that poured on your eyes?!
Okay but what exactly do you think happens when the resin hardens? He wouldn't be able to talk or hear so obviously he would have to take the helmet off.
@@KaiFord-k6r the resin hardening between his face and his helm won't make that very easy, and anyway molten resin hardening on your eyes won't make them work very well
That isn’t where Zullie’s story ended. After the point you mentioned in the story, she started a youtube channel where she uses her magic to explore different realities.
Hahaha Damn that was such a missed opportunity for the video that wouldve been a great little joke. Im kicking myself in the head for not thinking of that one. I made a similar one about vaati from legend of zelda in the links family video
Honestly the DS2 giants are my favorites. Not only because their presence is absolutely one of the key parts of the story and lore, but also because their design is so... unique. The gaping holes for a face makes them so alien, so utterly horrifying, that it makes you forget that... deep down, they're like us. They had names. They had lives, they held grudges, they felt, they loved, and they hated.
Yeah plus they're not just "human but bigger and dumber" plus in a way the holes make them look funny too, and I like how they're clearly made of stone and are more muscular looking
I don't like it when people say "oh giants are stupid because of the blacksmith" when Gough is a counter point to that and also it simply could be that the giant isn't as well versed in the human tongue like he might be in his mother tongue. You can be intelligent and be bad at a language at the same time. Or simply having difficulties articulating yourself. The Giant has the ability to transpose boss souls into weapons, an ability not even Andre is capable of, never learns it in 3 either.
Like someone else in a comment said Gough is met in the past. So the giants we meet could be essentially hollowed and unable to speak the reason Gough speaks is because it's in the past
Also remember that the Giants in DS2 were able to cross the sea to attack Drangleic the intelligence required to build and captain ships as well as traversing the sea is a testament to their intelligence (and also the fact that Giants have pyromancers also proves their intelligence and their faith)
@@CodeeXDHollowing is exclusive to humans, no other being hollows because no other beings have the undead curse placed upon them. The only instance in any of the games where it seems like a nonhuman hollows is Gwyn, during the final boss fight of the first game, but that also isn't as it seems. Gwyn is weakened, and a shell of his former self, but he absolutely isn't a hollow.
@@NottherealLucifer Gwyn doesn't suffer from "hollowing" like one under the Curse, he's a God - that does sort of add fuel to the idea that the Giants (who also don't go Hollow) could deteriorate over time similar to Gwyn. I think Gwyn's all burnt-out because quite literally he has been burning up to keep the First Flame lit, but maybe the Giants also deteriorated, unrelated to the Curse.
I always felt such amazing sorrow from the giants and giant lore in ds2. Every bit of them was done with care. Ds2 had some amazing lore tbh. And the majula theme always give such a warm feely feel to the whole game. Its oddly satisfying yet sad. The majula theme always strikes to me as a song that plays when life ends. As if its the last tone of life left. Peaceful soothing yet terrifying sad and hopeless.
My head canon is that all Giants are descendants of the archtrees. After the first flame brought disparity the way the world existed changed. Even Midir looks nothing like either Seath or the Dragons from the intro. So that tree-life became giants. The main difference imo is the DS1/DS3 giants took the fire-souls Gwyn offered while the DS2 hole faced giants didn't. The same way humans and gods started as the same species but one got dark souls and one group took fire souls. Hmm Judicators look a bit like Pthumerians model.
My headcanon as to why the Giant's really don't talk much or feel stupider in DS1 and DS3 is because the current giants are in the middle of or are already hollowed. Or they just hollow more slowly than humans do. Remember that you do travel back in time during the Artorias DLC and Gwyn kingdom was still somewhat a bit in its heyday or at least significantly less deteriorated than in DS1 in that time period. At that point in time, the giants probably still have their mental faculties intact, like Gough does. And Gough is the only giant you encounter in the DLC levels. The ones in Sen's Fortress probably hollowed a little faster from going insane or crestfallen from the slave labor they had to endure for all those years.
Not meaning this in a rude way but your headcanon is wrong. Humans are the only beings in the Dark Souls universe who experience hollowing. Hollowing is a result of the Undead Curse, and no other beings except humans are shown to have been cursed by Gwyn. Gwyn and the Nameless King are the only other beings that even appear to have possibly hollowed, but that's also just a misunderstanding from players. Gwyn is a shell of his former self, and presumably insane, but he isn't a Hollow. The Nameless King is also obviously not insane the way his father was. Look into it, hollowing is exclusive to humans.
@@NottherealLucifer Don't dogs hollow as well. In fact couldn't one agree that everything even the Gods before fire were hollows. So with the fire dying, wouldn't it make sense that even the Gods go hollow? Or at least something similar since their power and very being are tied to the flame, if it dies so do they. I'd imagine the only things that can't hollow are pure dragons.
@@EdgyPuer Rats and dogs are "hollow" in Dark Souls because they eat dead bodies and sort of "inherit" the curse from them, which makes them look hollow or diseased. It's why you can farm humanity from rats in DS1; they absorbed humanity (and the curse of the undead) from the bodies left lying around.
@@fred-in-the-fusa8367 Following that logic shouldn't the remaining Gods also be hollowed since they sustain their power from the first flame which is being fed by the undead.
Lack of evidence for a thing is not evidence of its opposite. Either you have to provide textual evidence that hollowing is exclusive to humans, or all we can reasonably say is we don’t know. Therefore I can just as easily call your theory headcanon.
@@TheHonoredMadman The Asshole faces are brilliant, I really relate to these guys. Has the Penis Envy taken you too the wall of reality yet or is Terrence McKenna outside your Zeitgeist? Just wondering about who I'm watching.
I wish the giant race was more consistent astetically because if I'm being honest, amongst all the carefully crafted story telling, it just comes off as constant developer reworks and it pulls you out of it
That's what happens when you make a series with no planned sequel that is so successful, the company milks it for profit. Halo fans know your frustrations.
That's just how development works, they wouldn't make a sequel if it wasn't a hit. And thanks to the 'milking' we've gotten some of the best games ever made.
@@KoalaAwad A "hit" implies popularity. And many, if not most, people are really fuckin dumb. Just because it is popular doesn't mean it's of quality. Miyazaki has very little to do with Dark Souls 2. He went to make Bloodborne. Being consistent when the people making the game aren't consistent to begin with, is asking for a bit much.
I think the DS2 Giants are really remarkable, they’re shown as simple or more primal, not savage, even their spell casting being pyromancy plays on that. Pyromancy being depicted as a simpler primal form of magic that originates from a beings “internal flame” and the giants cast with their face holes, the magic literally comes from within them. The stone bodies and turning into trees also play on the theme of archtrees, similarly primeval things that seem connected to one another. It’s super interesting the connections drawn in 2, it’s a shame we didn’t get more Aldia in 3
I believe either vendrick or the True Monarch sent the ruin sentinels to search for the ringed city. It would make a lot of sense for the DS2 protagonist actually. He’s the only person who can infinitely respawn and never go hollow because of the crowns. And he would just continue getting more and more powerful over time and would probably eventually learn of the pygmies through Aldia and Vendricks research as well as any other information Ds2 protag has access to. I think the character from 2 is the most ridiculously powerful being in lore. He was either slave knight Gael, was likely the final being that Gael had to kill before the ds3 protag to finish the dark soul, or he was the one being that was able to not be killed by Gael because in a sense he’s capable of existing outside the cycle. No insanity, infinite respawns, access to all kinds of arcane information and world knowledge(literally works with a cartographer), has access to the shrine that can make you human again even if he lost the crowns, has literal direct access to primordial chaos for experiments, has absorbed so much of the abyss that he likely cannot be tainted by it(taking the souls of Manus’s daughters on top of all the other op stuff) has the ability to travel back to the memories of giants, dragons, and seemingly just very powerful beings like vendrick and Alonne, AND CAN TAKE ITEMS AND SOULS FROM THOSE MEMORIES BACK INTO THE PRESENT. If the DS2 protagonist just found Gwyn’s grave, and Manus’s grave(or I suppose the heart of the abyss) he would be able to go back in time and take all of the souls. He could have the Lord Soul, the Dark Soul, commune with dragons, he is unstoppable. There is literally nothing that could stop the DS2 protagonist. Side tangent, if there is a linked universe between Bloodborne and demons souls and the dark souls games, I think Ds2 is what makes it fit. The character from 2 is capable of being an explanation for so many things and it wouldn’t break any of the established lore, especially when considering the wild cards of the paintings and the ashen mist heart and the dream scape in Bloodborne, and the grey fog in demons souls. Imagine the DS1 intro cutscene, but when it goes to the flames underground, DS2 protag just breaks through the ceiling and absorbs all the souls and fire and the dark soul
Thing is, if he were to do any of that, it would all be part of the lore already. The fact that the world is how it is, already tells you he decided not to do any of it.
@@brunoactis1104 how can you tell though? I mean genuinely how could you possibly make that assertion if he chose to just exist outside the cycle. Or if he just worked in the background, as such an all powerful being would. And the fates of player characters are left incredibly ambiguous already. Even if he didn’t go on to do something insane like going back and taking all of the souls(which I mean that’s just something that is objectively possible, but probably wouldn’t happen until after the events of ds3 when the world is converging in one spot) he is still objectively far stronger than any other character in the series. Also DS2 was wrongly very ignored in 3, so obviously they aren’t going to make ds2 character the in lore god of the world or something. All in all, you are completely incorrect. It wouldn’t be clearly directly stated if it did happen, it would be extrapolation like 90% of the story, and it is OBJECTIVELY possible. Your point does not stand. The series is to vague to use,” it would have been told to us” as an argument here. The world being the way it is proves absolutely nothing either. It seems to be following its “natural” cycle and that does not discredit anything I said. DS2 protagonist is literally immortal and would not be hollow even by the time 3 ends. So again, your point does not stand. DS2 protag has the most potential and the most power of any character in the series. How do we know they haven’t already influenced the world we see in 3? How do we know they didn’t literally transcend the cycle like in Bloodborne’s true ending? We don’t, and your point is frankly meaningless.
@@thelocdesiringentryintoyou3686You're running with way too many assumptions. What the other person was saying was that if this was meant to be even implied than the games, especially the third game, would have lore that more directly states this. I'll go ahead and put some logical paths forward that show that you're making too many leaps. Yes, the protagonist of DS2 can enter the past by having an object related to that past, but they seemingly have no control over where they go and can only go back to that one single point in time. Whose to say they wouldn't touch the grave of Manus and simply return to when the Chosen Undead defeated him, or when he was first unearthed by the people of Oolacile? Even if he found an item directly connected to the Furtive Pygmy or Gwyn, whose to say it would take them to a point where they could steal their souls? They're not a time traveler as we traditionally know them, they're a person who has a magic item that takes them to a tiny chunk of the past that they can't even leave without being thrown back into the future. Of the thousands of unique items in DS2, only four of them take the protagonist into the past, that's pretty low odds. They would be wasting their time if they were scouring the planet looking for the handful of items that might possibly take them to not only the past, but a part of the past that actually has significance to them. The protagonist would also be risking destruction by going back to try to take the Lord Souls or the Dark Soul. That time period is completely unknown, there are no records kept from those times, only vague legends. Why would you risk your guaranteed immortality for the small possibility of more power when you can just keep stealing the souls of your current era? Seriously, the protagonist doesn't know if The Lord of Sunlight, the Furtive Pygmy, or even Manus, could simply destroy them with a single attack. The gamble wouldn't be worth the risk, and they wouldn't know it's a risk worth taking anyways because they're 100% completely unaware of the actual existence of those beings. So to summarize, it's just as likely that the protagonist of the second game jump back into a memory and was destroyed by a magic that caused them to not respawn from as it is they became a time traveling god. Given how much Miyazaki hates the second game, the logical conclusion leans towards the former, rather than the latter. Your headcanon is your headcanon, hold it as tight as you like, but it doesn't follow in any logical way.
@@NottherealLucifer the going back in time to take all the souls is more speculation but it’s entirely possible. Could happen with any old grave and realistically, Us not being able to go into a lot more is purely game limitations. All of that aside, DS2 protagonist is still the strongest character I have evidence supporting everything I said, but there is absolutely 0 concrete evidence suggesting otherwise that has yet been stated. Everything that has been said so far in disagreement is purely opinion or speculation.
I'd like to think that the giants are all one race but have different ethnicities/nationalities. So I'm certain that Yhorm may have been adopted into the Giant Lord's nation and thus makes himself look like the DS2 giants to honor his upbringing and the Giant Lord's traditional attire
It was literally just this video that showed to me Lord Yhorm DOESNT have the "hole in the head" DS2-style giant's face. It sort of looks like that, but then when you turn the brightness up you can see he actually has a full face of human features - chin, eyes, nose, cheekbones etc. I never played Dark Souls 3 with the brightness high enough I guess! i loved DS2 giants, and it's a shame to see all that mystique die away. I really like this idea that giants are many different peoples whilst being one race, and I'm gonna use that to explain the differences away between games lol
Maybe ds2 giants are hollowed, so Yorm can by related to giant lord, but he's not hollowed since he's lord of cinders or the curse for giants is somehow dealt with after events of ds2. Also have better armor and stuff because it takes place long after ds2, where the giants were in downfall probably thanks to Vendrick
19:18 I've always loved the design of the giants that made it into the game. They look very unique and memorable. Much better than some generic sharp-toothed beast look.
Love the expostulation and headcanonizing. Keep it up. I thought the From Soft lore content genre was completely saturated, but your takes were really fresh and give Dark Souls 2 the credit it deserves in the greater narrative.
@@ThommyofThenn after years I got the Sea Rune +2 permanently equipped lmao. I outta call my pipe bloodletter because it's always filling my frenzy meter
another interpretation for giant speak is that they just don’t speak english natively. they are a different race than the gods after all, and so when gough was alive, he probably was taught formally how to speak english, where as the giant blacksmith a few hundred years later probably only barely speaks english due to it being so long since gods have been there, therefore he was never formally taught, or is just out of practice.
The DS2 Giants may be linked to the ancient everlasting dragons. They turn into trees, theyre made of stone, and they don't seem to be affected by the curse of the undead. It also echoes how Gwyn found the dragons.
They're probably like the archtrees, and the golem magic which Vendrick stole from them allows them to move. When bereft of souls in death they turn into trees again. If it were possible to "inject" souls into them again, their stone bodies may move - that's how the golems at Castle Drangleic work and I suspect it's a crude imitation of the Giant's biology itself.
What if Yhorm comes from the same species of giants as the adjudicators. Small head and lankier body. And they have defined faces unlike the other species of giants :o
I seen somewhere where the thought father Adriandel was an adjudicator giant and they believed that all father Lloyd was one and was the brother of Caithca 1st wife of Gywn or something like that. Good vid, very interesting.
I always felt that the gaping hole was representative of them missing some innate part of themselves. That what ever Vendrick took from them, made the giants less. Kind of like hollowing but for giants.
Ok here comes the comment omnibus: DS1: Other potential giants encountered in DS1 include Gravelord Nito and executioner Smough, first one for residing in the tomb of the giants, second one for having the same name entomology as Gough Gough likely never fought nameless king, as during AOTA, undead burg had not been built yet, and the sunlight altar statue which we find destroyed there wasn’t either. As such NK hadn’t been exiled from anor londo yet. DS2: The Greatwood giants are top heavy, and their metamorphosis into trees upon death makes them similar to the plant folk of oolacile. The ashen mist heart was created by Aldia In cut content, the giants were meant to be *way* bigger, Zulie the witch has a great video on it. It adds to saulden’s dialogue on them rising from the sea. The last giant is just the last one from the siege, as another is found in Lothric’s firelink shrine, which comes from far further in the timeline DS3: The treatment of the anor londo giants is indeed all of sulyvahn’s doing Sulyvahn and Aldrich are not allies when we encounter them, Aldrich and his forces laid siege to irithyll to consume Gwyndolin. Sulyvahn wouldn’t be much of a pontiff if the all father got eaten now would he lol Yhrom the Giant isn’t a giant really, he’s just a large human or some sort of human/giant hybrid, similar to the ringed city judicatory giants. The irithyllian preset confirms humans and the god race can interbreed, humans and giants isn’t so far fetched. Yhrom’s conquerer ancestor might be Wolnir of Carthus like you say. The profaned capital has some items implying the existence of Oni, or great horned giants. The profaned capital is from the far east, and the storm rulers were designed to fight the Oni there Everything you said about ringed city is pretty solid, I had not considered the giants there were among the original giants; the ones from the very start of the timeline
The term used for " Greatwood" with Yhorm was the same one used for the Giant-trees back in DS2. In a word, yes, he is related to them. The best way to describe him is a missing link,essentially. He is a Giant standing between both stages. You likely remember my theories on Wolnir, but I do have to clarify something: I believe the slaves we see in 3 are not simply Sulyvahn's doing. When I said that Wolnir doomed his fellows to further hatred from others due to his actions, I mean precisely this. The Giant Slaves we see today in 3 are enslaved as payback for his amd his kingdom's actions. The prejudice against Giants as a whole was confirmed and justified by Wolnir's tyranny. I don't believe the options of Yhorm geing descended from Wolnir or the Giant Lord to be contradictory. As I have stated, I believe the former is a successor to the latter. Explaining the seemingly primitive nature of the Giant Kingdom in 2 is simple, actually: "Pyromancy has a, well, rather primitive aspect to it. It meshes poorly with advanced culture." "A pyromancer must be in tune with nature herself." The bracelets their casters wear, I believe, are not casting devices, but rather an indication of rank. Pyromancy does include applications of both poison and fire,among other elements; the manipulation of Fire can be said to be the manipulation of Disparity as we know it, for is not one the source of the other? As for why they look different: "Impelled by its own cravings, it sought souls, and strove to make the strength of the Giants its own." Vendrick didn't come to merely steal a treasure; he came for the Giant Souls. And if Resonance is true of all Giants... Then what happens if one of them,or more, has their soul ripped out? The Judicators do not judge who is worthy of entry to the City. If they did, the sentries of Oolacile would not pass, being from a peaceful land of weak humans. Rather, they are here to " uphold the King's Decree". They are, in a word, the law. Their use of phantoms doubles not only as a method of protection, but as a punishment for those summoned. As I stated before, the summons of the first Judicator include two skeletons; they are practicing the same sort of necromancy the Fenito impose upon those who commit tresspasses against the Undead Crypt. Ledo's red invasion is no anomaly; the Insolent Clerics were also red phantoms, but still bound unwillingly. His situation is likely no different; he and all others summoned by the Judicators are slaves, unable to die. I sent this to you a little while ago, so I don't know if you have seen it. That said, I do think it warrants exploration: @TheHonoredMadman Hello. This is a short tangent I found myself on, but it does feel important: Where did the Giant Sentinels go? As far as we have speculated, the enslaved Giants of Lordran in Sen's Fortress and the like freed themselves,and founded the "Giant Kingdom", but the Sentinels left long, long before that, as did Gwynevere and most of the gods. By the time of 1, they're already gone, so,where are they? "Armor of the giant sentinels of Anor Londo.Made from ancient brass, it also offers protection versus non-physical attacks." Compare them to this: "How old could this nearly-crumbling armor be? Has extremely low durability. Sometimes, just as a thing falls to pieces, it unleashes its last flash of great power..." Most people have this strange notion that the Old Knights of Heide are golems of some sort; this is unlikely to be true, for a simple reason: "Wielded by a warrior from a time so ancient that there exists no record of his endeavors." There is, or was, a warrior within that armour, wielding that greatsword or greathammer. Whether they are still in there is unknown; the important thing is, this was once an actual person. And given the size and age of said armour, that person would have to be a Giant. This explains a few things; for some reason, there is at least one Giant skull within the Grave Of Saints. The Old Knights are resistant to but not immune to bleed damage. Most importantly, both their age and the state of the armour can be explained by them wearing brass instead of the specific alloy used with the Heide Knights' chain mail. In other words, the Old Knights were the next incarnation of the Giant Sentinels, just as the Giant Kingdom was built by the formerly enslaved Giants of Anor Londo and Sen's Fortress. The two, thanks to their separation early on, have diverged completely.... Or have they? _ I had a strange question enter my mind: Why is the Giant's Kinship necessary to enter the Throne Of Want? It's quite odd, when you think about it. The beings that form the bridge to the Throne are not Giants; they're golems, specifically of the kind seen in Eleum Loyce. No head; hole in the chest. Both they and the Throne itself are far, far older than Vendrick, if not most of his predecessors. In fact, in Aldia's words, " none of them stood" where we did; never was anyone in the known history of this continent so close to the Throne. "Whether Heide refers to a kingdom or was just a name for the land is not clear, for no records date back far enough to tell." "The Defender has stood by the throne for ages. Will his wait be worth the while?" This explains one half; the age, as well as the golems. Eleum Loyce is one out of two places that resemble Anor Londo within Drangleic; the presence of the golems there is not so strange; they were likely originally produced in Heide. So,why is the Giant's Kinship required? And why does the Giant Lord have it? Well, the Giant's Kinship's original name sheds some light on it; " Giant's Resonance." The item description isn't helpful in describing it's origins, but the name is quite enough. The Giant's Resonance is exactly what it says in a tin; it is a resonance among all Giants. A connection that binds them all. Indeed, a " singular rage" burned within the Giants' hearts at Vendrick and his kingdom. They marched as one to burn his kingdom; unable to separate their own feelings from those of his most direct and specific victims, they couldn't find it in themselves to forgive these transgressions, or even consider the alternative of peace. At the moment we find it, the Resonance is bound to one Giant Lord, come from across the sea to fulfill his duty.... But who held it before? In much the same way Eleum Loyce resembles Heide and Anor Londo, there is one place that resembles the Throne; The bottom of Brume Tower. Dozens of Old Knights litter the place, covered in ash, but above all of them, there is one. What you see as the Fume Knight's arena is composed merely of his chest piece and helmet; whoever wore this armour was, truly, a Giant among Giants. Whatever happened here, we do not know,though it left one relic; a certain scorching hot scepter, held by a foolish human king..... One that oddly looks like a coiled sword. _ The Throne, it appears, was carved at least twice. When first made, it was a massive seat. Within that seat, is an even smaller notch, carved to fit a much tinier subject; A human. In some way, shape or form, the Giants in general, and the Old Knights specifically, were the wards of the Linking of the Fire within Drangleic. With the fall of Heide, however, and their inevitable passing, their Resonance was inherited by another; A vengeful king, from across the sea. Come to conquer Drangleic, and reclaim the birthright of his race. Was Nashandra truthful when she told Vendrick to fear the Giants? In fact, was the Giant Lord " warned" in the very same manner? After all, there is only one true Throne... And we have no need for two rulers.
@@Sohelanthropus Nor are you forced to. This is all technically for HM, and can only be fully understood with the context of our previous conversations. As such, anyone else reading this should do so at their own peril.
@@jankbunky4279 It's the correct translation of what you read as " Giant tree" in Englis in the item " Seed Of A Giant Tree". It was supposed to be " Greatwood".
Oh, man! I had no idea that Knorm the Giant's story was so sad! His tale was so much more deep than just a badass giant fight that you use a "gimmick" sword on! And his best friend sounds so much like Jerren, and his promise to Radahn in Elden Ring! Did the Giant's BFF come from the same order of knights that had the Onion Knight and his daughter from Dark Souls 1, or did he just have similar armor? Holy FRICK, more videos like this please! 🥰
Oh yeah siegward and siegmeyer and sieglinde are all from catarina which is famous for its onion knights. I go back and forth on whether siegward is a descendant, reincarnation, or spiritual successor to siegmeyer in ds1. And yo i never realized the similarities between jerren and radahn and sieg and yhorm
@@TheHonoredMadman Oh, okay! Thank You! I've seen some of your Dark Souls 3 vids already, but, do you have a lot of them, like a long DS3 Lore Playlist? I just really like how you presented your newest vid, and Yhorm was FAR more than a "gimmick" fight!
@@TheHonoredMadmanwow, that IS an interesting parallel with the 'normal' sized person befriending a giant or other huge friend. And I think Seigward is a reincarnation of Seigmier, as I think many characters are in DS3. They're seemingly different people but share similarities. Patches of course is an extra-dimensional entity that can shift between times and universes at will, testing the hearts of warriors across existence. Think of him as a sort of Q from star trek but in fromsoft games.
Ds2 Giants are def one of my favorite Giants in fiction, cool designs, awesome lore and story. Def the first Dark Souls boss to haunt my memories years ago!
I like to think that the giants are distantly related to the ancient dragons and when they die they turn into the trees that were in ash lake which is why you can go into the dragons memories
Giants are connected to angels; Profaned Capital (and Grand Archives) gargoyles are stone angels, Court Sorcerer set is a reference to John Dee's garb (the robe even has a scrying crystal, and JD used a crystal ball to contact angels like the Sages.) The pyromancy Profaned Flame is the same as Flame Swathe dropped by Belfry Sol Bell Keeper's (Sol is dedicated to Angels whereas Luna is dedicated to Dragons (hence the iron gargoyles)). Mastodon Knights are a reference to Mastodon bones being mistaken for Nephilim bones by Cotton Mather, and seem like a muddled reconstruction - part Giant, part Elephant (Ogres seem like part Giant, part Hippo).
I'm a bit surprised by the lion knights tidbit. I assumed that it was more of a spiritual transformation like the primeval elephant knights at Drangleic.
You have a valuable point of view on these topics I been here from the start so it's a great pleasure to see the channel grow. I voted for the bong hits lol keep it up brother
Biggest thing I learned from this video was the Judicator that summons the dragon dude. Really neat! Went through multiple RS3 runs and never noticed/had him spawn ever.
7:40 Pretty sure he refuses to take off the helm because he's too prideful of the helm. Since it was a "gift" to him that he treasures deeply ... for some reason.
Look closer, see for yourself. Gough's treasured armour, gifted to him, tailor made for a giant, includes a massive golden medallion. These are symbols of his station, and I believe, his relation to Lord Gwyn. It appears most of the Lords are, if not giants, related to them, The witch of Izalith towers over her daughters in cutscenes, and Nito too is likely a giant, considering his location, in The Grave Of Giants. All except the furtive pygmy, who claimed the Dark Soul, of which all humanity is a tiny fragment.
Since blindness is kind of a spectrum, it's possible the resin in gough's helmet doesn't completely block his sight, it just makes it extremely difficult to see, which can in turn cause the eyes to deteriorate from either straining hard to see or nit being able to function to their fullest capabilities
Slight aside, there is *one* Painting Guardian in Dark Souls 2, it only appears in Aldia’s Keep on NG+ and above and doesn’t respawn, so the only way to farm the set was to kill Guardian Dragon and keep pumping Bonfire Ascetics into the bonfire hidden behind the illusionary wall. I know I had a savefile or two where Aldia’s Keep was at NG+10 while the rest of my world (besides the Giant Lord boss of course) was only at NG+2.
In order to get the spear of the church unique dialogue you need to have the ritual spear fragment, this is the second tier reward for the spear of the church faction
Why do I remember yhorn striking a different pose in that cutscene where he stands up. He’s holding his weapon vertical, I thought he was holding it horizontal and sort of looking off to the side a bit
He does look like it but hes has those crow features. I kinds think he was a judicator but underwent a corvian transformation after coming to the painted world. I was gonna get into it on my corvian video
There are a lot of mistranslation from japanese to english, thats why the lore and the story seems to be so much nebulus and vague, and many lore channels (even Vaati) do a poor job at analyzing the lore of this kind of games, the end result is that many dumb theory ends up on the internet because there are not enough people that let other souls fan know about the poor english translation of some important description@@TheHonoredMadman
Gwynevere and Gwyn are gods, not giants. Witch of Izalith is also a god, not a giant. There's also a difference between large humanoid enemies and the races of giants. Vordt, the Sentinels and Pursuers in DS2, King Vendrick, and many many other figures could be called giant by that standard
@@Red-hm8cd Gwyn, The Witch of Izalith and Nito weren't born as gods, they acquired the power of a god after finding power souls in the First Flame. They weren't humans either, so these 3 being a different kind of giant could be possible. Artorias, Ornstein and Ciaran can be used as an example as well, since they're not human and there's no mention of them being gods or anything like it.
What if the ds2 giants actually do have faces, but everyone forgot what they looked like so nobody can grasp what they're looking at when they see them? Giants are an established part of the world in Drangleic but there's also been plenty of effort to scrub their existence from history after the war which could've taken an untold amount of time before we came along. Kinda like the thing where a secluded tribe sees an airplane fly over but since they don't know what the concept of an airplane even is they can't comprehend what they're seeing.
0:16 im afraid I don't know the name of this film/show here. That fox is really neat looking so im wondering 5:45 also takes intellect to lead an arrow shot against a moving target, a flying target no less
@@TheHonoredMadman thanks. I just read the intro on the wiki entry and this sounds really cool story-wise. Plus from your clip, i already know i like the visual style
My interpretation of the DS2 is that Vendrick wants to keep his kingdom, so he sought eternity with Aldia, which required ashen mist heart and tons of giants for experiment to create the everlasting ancient dragon. While Nashandra wanted the first flame in throne room as a piece of Manus, also part of the dark soulm This required the kinship of giants. So Nasandra persuaded Vendrick to invade the giants for what he needed. When the giants took revenge and got defeated, she'd have what she wanted.
Not sure if I agree with the idea that rags the Giants in Dark Souls 1 being shared with the Giant Blacksmith is indicative that it isn't slave garb. The fact that they wear heavy chains and perform tasks in repetition heavily implies it, alongside the fact that they are referred to directly as "Giant Slaves" for their DS3 enemy name, and are still present in Irithyll/Anor Londo, and the Cathedral of the Deep, a location associated with Anor Londo as of the time of that game The Giant Blacksmith is likely also a slave, given he isn't provided the same level of treatment or extravagant garb as the regal Giant Sentinels, but is given greater treatment than the ones in Sen's Fortress due to his talents. His kinship with Gough still makes sense with this in mind too. No other characters besides Andre in DS3 speak fondly of him or even mention him. It's likely Gough treated him more fairly because of them both being Giants, and Andre held respect for him due to them both being craftsmen of the same trade. Most others probably didn't mind him much, or simply didn't care. Talent is talent however so he wasn't really mistreated like many other giants. Gough may very well be the one proper exception, since he's a renowned folk hero, but even then his relationships with some of his peers are up in the air.
Head cannon: fog represents timelessness, trees represent time & memory. Dragons lived and evolved in the fog surrounded by trees, and so are immortal, considered to be deities. The giants turn into trees, and may have had the ability to transcend time also, or so Aldia would have presumed. Hence Aldia's attempts to experiment primarily with giants in pursuit of dragons.
My theory about the message in Yhorm's arena is that Yhorm was gonna be the tutorial boss and the curse-rotted greatwood was originally in that area somehow and someone at Fromsoft just forgot to change it.
Fun fact: gough isnt blind he just doesnt know if he removes the helmet he will see. I think they put something in it so when he woke up he couldn't see anything and assume he was blinded. Truly adding to his giga mad lad level. Imagine if he just removed the helmet. I always wanted to do so poor bloke
Speaking of Argo, ever since I first encountered him I found it weird how he just decides to fight you when all of the non boss Adjudicator Giants summon a literal army of unkillable phantoms that do massive damage. He really wasn’t trying that hard to stop you haha.
What do you think about the idea that Gough isn't actually blind but just has had wax or something poured into the gaps of his helmet that stops him from seeing and since giants are slow he just thinks he's blind?
what about lattena's giants sister in elden ring isnt she kind of conisdered a giant or something i know she's an albernauric but lattena calls her gentle yet towering sister
21:00 How would you headcanon that, then immediately cut to the giant blacksmith who *was* alive during the age of the gods and is the exact same size he was in ds1?
As for why there are different types of giants... to me, it seems likely that they are literally just different subspecies of giants - or, that the word "giant" is used literally to mean "Big ass dude." It's also possible that Gwyn himself was a giant before he found the soul of flame, and that many of the "gods" described in the lore were also giants of higher status. There is clearly a great respect for giants in Anor Londo, considering the massive steps alongside the more traditionally sized steps which themselves run up the center of the great stair that leads to the gates of the palace. I do not believe that giants can go hollow - as hollowing is a curse specifically affecting humanity, which was placed on humanity by Gwyn for the purpose of restricting them to their current form and trapping their darkness inside. Rather, I suspect that the lesser giants that serve either as knights or workhorses are literally just that - a lesser race of giants from the ones who stood among the gods. I also suspect that Yorm is of the same race of giants as the ones in the Ringed City. Honestly, this is mostly due to his size and facial structure being similar to theirs. But to me it seems likely that these giants were once one and the same as the giants who lived in Anor Londo - again, because of the steepness of their steps compared to the human-sized steps. But given their higher intellect and magical capacity, I could see them living in a higher tier of society from the more brutish and stupid giants you see in Sens Fortress. In DnD terms - those guys are the hill giants to Anor Londo's cloud giants. As for the DkS 2 giants... they would be another race entirely, and possibly not even the same species as the other giants. They existed across the sea, in a country far away from Lordran, existing outside of it's influence. And they were called giants merely because they were so large, and the people of Dranleik, who were themselves quite removed from Lordran, didn't notice the difference. Even the people from places outside Dranleik that you meet are from countries unmentioned in DkS 1, and I personally believe the game takes place on a totally different continent - granted, there are a few connections between the first and second game that could disprove this point entirely, like the crystal mines possibly being what remains of the crystal caves from the first game. But even if Dranleik was built over what was once Lordran, or near it, there are no giants from the first game to be found, so it still stands to reason that the people simply had heard stories of huge fucking dudes, and didn't know the difference. All in the same way that British Settlers didn't know the difference between Indians and Indigenous Americans.
Maybe its their proximity and the character size problem of dark souls, but the ringed city ginats remind me of uncle from ariendel. At least until you get a closer look at their faces. Although uncle would just seem to be even older than the ringed city giants
For me I much prefer considering each giant that looks substantially different, different races, like the Giant Lord to Yhorm to even maybe the Judicators. Even if the DS2 Giants might have has more proper faces previously i would still consider them different. Of course not including size differences since I'm certain there would be outliers. Whether or not some giant races are similar because they're subraces or because of something like convergent evolution is probable. I'm not surprised lorewise just haphazardly put all of them in the same "race" because of their generally overwhelming size, lack of speech and generally similar traits like specialised craftmanship. Is just that we don't how big the world of Dark Souls is, the fact Drangleic to Anor Londo to Lothric exists and what lands does the giants from DS2 That could hold up if the different giant races were designed differently on purpose and not out of just inconsistency. Unless it's canonically true that they are all the same which I really doubt is so then nevermind.
SF6 is too system mechanics heavy. Plus, they need to fix throws. The risk/reward is too unbalanced, especially defending against them, they need to be a little lenient with teaching throws
Yhorm is ash (like us), he can't go hollow, the giants from ds2 are hollowed because fire is about to go out. If yhorm would go hollow he'd look like the giant lord we faced. What we stole from giants are the kinship and the throne(fire).
I’m not going to outright say that the giants are unintelligent, but Gough thinks he is blind because his helmet has the eye holes filled with resin. That’s almost the equivalent of Ricky Bobby thinking he is paralyzed because he sat down in a wheel chair.
Well actually in the lore many have a prejudice against giants so his fellow knights filled his helmet with resin to hinder his archery but he continued to wear the helmet to prove them wrong and be the bigger man... well literally aswell
If his helmet is effectively filled with resin, he probably couldn't remove it, it could also be a cutural thing from giant to hide their faces
That's the thing:
He doesn't.
Try putting melted pine resin in your eyes. Through an eyehole. Now, tell me how it feels.
I can't believe I have to say this, but this is a very, very old theory. And it is one that I think is legitimately stupid; like, what do you think happens when you get stuff like that poured on your eyes?!
Okay but what exactly do you think happens when the resin hardens? He wouldn't be able to talk or hear so obviously he would have to take the helmet off.
@@KaiFord-k6r the resin hardening between his face and his helm won't make that very easy, and anyway molten resin hardening on your eyes won't make them work very well
That isn’t where Zullie’s story ended. After the point you mentioned in the story, she started a youtube channel where she uses her magic to explore different realities.
Hahaha Damn that was such a missed opportunity for the video that wouldve been a great little joke. Im kicking myself in the head for not thinking of that one. I made a similar one about vaati from legend of zelda in the links family video
...Zullie is kind of my favourite. So many weird little things she brings up, fun fun tidbits!
Zullie is literally the best!!
i didn't realise there was a Zullie in DS3 😮
@@nerfytheclownold man is better
Honestly the DS2 giants are my favorites. Not only because their presence is absolutely one of the key parts of the story and lore, but also because their design is so... unique. The gaping holes for a face makes them so alien, so utterly horrifying, that it makes you forget that... deep down, they're like us. They had names. They had lives, they held grudges, they felt, they loved, and they hated.
I couldnt agree more
Yeah plus they're not just "human but bigger and dumber" plus in a way the holes make them look funny too, and I like how they're clearly made of stone and are more muscular looking
@Sohelanthropus I wouldn't say that they are dumb, their ability to create certainly shows at least a comparable level of intelligence to humans.
I don't like it when people say "oh giants are stupid because of the blacksmith" when Gough is a counter point to that and also it simply could be that the giant isn't as well versed in the human tongue like he might be in his mother tongue. You can be intelligent and be bad at a language at the same time. Or simply having difficulties articulating yourself.
The Giant has the ability to transpose boss souls into weapons, an ability not even Andre is capable of, never learns it in 3 either.
Like someone else in a comment said Gough is met in the past. So the giants we meet could be essentially hollowed and unable to speak the reason Gough speaks is because it's in the past
Also remember that the Giants in DS2 were able to cross the sea to attack Drangleic the intelligence required to build and captain ships as well as traversing the sea is a testament to their intelligence (and also the fact that Giants have pyromancers also proves their intelligence and their faith)
@@CodeeXDHollowing is exclusive to humans, no other being hollows because no other beings have the undead curse placed upon them. The only instance in any of the games where it seems like a nonhuman hollows is Gwyn, during the final boss fight of the first game, but that also isn't as it seems. Gwyn is weakened, and a shell of his former self, but he absolutely isn't a hollow.
@@NottherealLucifer Gwyn doesn't suffer from "hollowing" like one under the Curse, he's a God - that does sort of add fuel to the idea that the Giants (who also don't go Hollow) could deteriorate over time similar to Gwyn.
I think Gwyn's all burnt-out because quite literally he has been burning up to keep the First Flame lit, but maybe the Giants also deteriorated, unrelated to the Curse.
How stupid can they be if the gods use them for crafstmanship
My dream blunt rotation is just every giant across all 3 games
I always felt such amazing sorrow from the giants and giant lore in ds2.
Every bit of them was done with care. Ds2 had some amazing lore tbh. And the majula theme always give such a warm feely feel to the whole game. Its oddly satisfying yet sad.
The majula theme always strikes to me as a song that plays when life ends. As if its the last tone of life left. Peaceful soothing yet terrifying sad and hopeless.
My head canon is that all Giants are descendants of the archtrees. After the first flame brought disparity the way the world existed changed. Even Midir looks nothing like either Seath or the Dragons from the intro. So that tree-life became giants.
The main difference imo is the DS1/DS3 giants took the fire-souls Gwyn offered while the DS2 hole faced giants didn't. The same way humans and gods started as the same species but one got dark souls and one group took fire souls.
Hmm Judicators look a bit like Pthumerians model.
My headcanon as to why the Giant's really don't talk much or feel stupider in DS1 and DS3 is because the current giants are in the middle of or are already hollowed. Or they just hollow more slowly than humans do. Remember that you do travel back in time during the Artorias DLC and Gwyn kingdom was still somewhat a bit in its heyday or at least significantly less deteriorated than in DS1 in that time period. At that point in time, the giants probably still have their mental faculties intact, like Gough does. And Gough is the only giant you encounter in the DLC levels. The ones in Sen's Fortress probably hollowed a little faster from going insane or crestfallen from the slave labor they had to endure for all those years.
Not meaning this in a rude way but your headcanon is wrong. Humans are the only beings in the Dark Souls universe who experience hollowing. Hollowing is a result of the Undead Curse, and no other beings except humans are shown to have been cursed by Gwyn. Gwyn and the Nameless King are the only other beings that even appear to have possibly hollowed, but that's also just a misunderstanding from players. Gwyn is a shell of his former self, and presumably insane, but he isn't a Hollow. The Nameless King is also obviously not insane the way his father was. Look into it, hollowing is exclusive to humans.
@@NottherealLucifer Don't dogs hollow as well. In fact couldn't one agree that everything even the Gods before fire were hollows. So with the fire dying, wouldn't it make sense that even the Gods go hollow?
Or at least something similar since their power and very being are tied to the flame, if it dies so do they.
I'd imagine the only things that can't hollow are pure dragons.
@@EdgyPuer Rats and dogs are "hollow" in Dark Souls because they eat dead bodies and sort of "inherit" the curse from them, which makes them look hollow or diseased. It's why you can farm humanity from rats in DS1; they absorbed humanity (and the curse of the undead) from the bodies left lying around.
@@fred-in-the-fusa8367 Following that logic shouldn't the remaining Gods also be hollowed since they sustain their power from the first flame which is being fed by the undead.
Lack of evidence for a thing is not evidence of its opposite. Either you have to provide textual evidence that hollowing is exclusive to humans, or all we can reasonably say is we don’t know. Therefore I can just as easily call your theory headcanon.
It took a while for the DS2 giant designs to warm on me. But now they're some of my favorite giant designs in fiction.
Same here
@@TheHonoredMadman The Asshole faces are brilliant, I really relate to these guys. Has the Penis Envy taken you too the wall of reality yet or is Terrence McKenna outside your Zeitgeist? Just wondering about who I'm watching.
I wish the giant race was more consistent astetically because if I'm being honest, amongst all the carefully crafted story telling, it just comes off as constant developer reworks and it pulls you out of it
That's what happens when you make a series with no planned sequel that is so successful, the company milks it for profit.
Halo fans know your frustrations.
That's just how development works, they wouldn't make a sequel if it wasn't a hit. And thanks to the 'milking' we've gotten some of the best games ever made.
@@KoalaAwad A "hit" implies popularity. And many, if not most, people are really fuckin dumb. Just because it is popular doesn't mean it's of quality.
Miyazaki has very little to do with Dark Souls 2. He went to make Bloodborne. Being consistent when the people making the game aren't consistent to begin with, is asking for a bit much.
@@nobushidono9897 can you stop yapping
@@KoalaAwadI’m annoyed too, but the only real solution is to stop responding.
I think the DS2 Giants are really remarkable, they’re shown as simple or more primal, not savage, even their spell casting being pyromancy plays on that. Pyromancy being depicted as a simpler primal form of magic that originates from a beings “internal flame” and the giants cast with their face holes, the magic literally comes from within them.
The stone bodies and turning into trees also play on the theme of archtrees, similarly primeval things that seem connected to one another. It’s super interesting the connections drawn in 2, it’s a shame we didn’t get more Aldia in 3
I believe either vendrick or the True Monarch sent the ruin sentinels to search for the ringed city.
It would make a lot of sense for the DS2 protagonist actually. He’s the only person who can infinitely respawn and never go hollow because of the crowns. And he would just continue getting more and more powerful over time and would probably eventually learn of the pygmies through Aldia and Vendricks research as well as any other information Ds2 protag has access to.
I think the character from 2 is the most ridiculously powerful being in lore. He was either slave knight Gael, was likely the final being that Gael had to kill before the ds3 protag to finish the dark soul, or he was the one being that was able to not be killed by Gael because in a sense he’s capable of existing outside the cycle.
No insanity, infinite respawns, access to all kinds of arcane information and world knowledge(literally works with a cartographer), has access to the shrine that can make you human again even if he lost the crowns, has literal direct access to primordial chaos for experiments, has absorbed so much of the abyss that he likely cannot be tainted by it(taking the souls of Manus’s daughters on top of all the other op stuff) has the ability to travel back to the memories of giants, dragons, and seemingly just very powerful beings like vendrick and Alonne, AND CAN TAKE ITEMS AND SOULS FROM THOSE MEMORIES BACK INTO THE PRESENT.
If the DS2 protagonist just found Gwyn’s grave, and Manus’s grave(or I suppose the heart of the abyss) he would be able to go back in time and take all of the souls.
He could have the Lord Soul, the Dark Soul, commune with dragons, he is unstoppable. There is literally nothing that could stop the DS2 protagonist.
Side tangent, if there is a linked universe between Bloodborne and demons souls and the dark souls games, I think Ds2 is what makes it fit. The character from 2 is capable of being an explanation for so many things and it wouldn’t break any of the established lore, especially when considering the wild cards of the paintings and the ashen mist heart and the dream scape in Bloodborne, and the grey fog in demons souls.
Imagine the DS1 intro cutscene, but when it goes to the flames underground, DS2 protag just breaks through the ceiling and absorbs all the souls and fire and the dark soul
Thing is, if he were to do any of that, it would all be part of the lore already. The fact that the world is how it is, already tells you he decided not to do any of it.
@@brunoactis1104 how can you tell though? I mean genuinely how could you possibly make that assertion if he chose to just exist outside the cycle. Or if he just worked in the background, as such an all powerful being would.
And the fates of player characters are left incredibly ambiguous already.
Even if he didn’t go on to do something insane like going back and taking all of the souls(which I mean that’s just something that is objectively possible, but probably wouldn’t happen until after the events of ds3 when the world is converging in one spot) he is still objectively far stronger than any other character in the series.
Also DS2 was wrongly very ignored in 3, so obviously they aren’t going to make ds2 character the in lore god of the world or something.
All in all, you are completely incorrect. It wouldn’t be clearly directly stated if it did happen, it would be extrapolation like 90% of the story, and it is OBJECTIVELY possible. Your point does not stand. The series is to vague to use,” it would have been told to us” as an argument here.
The world being the way it is proves absolutely nothing either. It seems to be following its “natural” cycle and that does not discredit anything I said. DS2 protagonist is literally immortal and would not be hollow even by the time 3 ends. So again, your point does not stand.
DS2 protag has the most potential and the most power of any character in the series. How do we know they haven’t already influenced the world we see in 3? How do we know they didn’t literally transcend the cycle like in Bloodborne’s true ending? We don’t, and your point is frankly meaningless.
@@thelocdesiringentryintoyou3686You're running with way too many assumptions. What the other person was saying was that if this was meant to be even implied than the games, especially the third game, would have lore that more directly states this. I'll go ahead and put some logical paths forward that show that you're making too many leaps. Yes, the protagonist of DS2 can enter the past by having an object related to that past, but they seemingly have no control over where they go and can only go back to that one single point in time. Whose to say they wouldn't touch the grave of Manus and simply return to when the Chosen Undead defeated him, or when he was first unearthed by the people of Oolacile? Even if he found an item directly connected to the Furtive Pygmy or Gwyn, whose to say it would take them to a point where they could steal their souls? They're not a time traveler as we traditionally know them, they're a person who has a magic item that takes them to a tiny chunk of the past that they can't even leave without being thrown back into the future. Of the thousands of unique items in DS2, only four of them take the protagonist into the past, that's pretty low odds. They would be wasting their time if they were scouring the planet looking for the handful of items that might possibly take them to not only the past, but a part of the past that actually has significance to them.
The protagonist would also be risking destruction by going back to try to take the Lord Souls or the Dark Soul. That time period is completely unknown, there are no records kept from those times, only vague legends. Why would you risk your guaranteed immortality for the small possibility of more power when you can just keep stealing the souls of your current era? Seriously, the protagonist doesn't know if The Lord of Sunlight, the Furtive Pygmy, or even Manus, could simply destroy them with a single attack. The gamble wouldn't be worth the risk, and they wouldn't know it's a risk worth taking anyways because they're 100% completely unaware of the actual existence of those beings.
So to summarize, it's just as likely that the protagonist of the second game jump back into a memory and was destroyed by a magic that caused them to not respawn from as it is they became a time traveling god. Given how much Miyazaki hates the second game, the logical conclusion leans towards the former, rather than the latter. Your headcanon is your headcanon, hold it as tight as you like, but it doesn't follow in any logical way.
@@NottherealLucifer the going back in time to take all the souls is more speculation but it’s entirely possible. Could happen with any old grave and realistically, Us not being able to go into a lot more is purely game limitations.
All of that aside, DS2 protagonist is still the strongest character
I have evidence supporting everything I said, but there is absolutely 0 concrete evidence suggesting otherwise that has yet been stated. Everything that has been said so far in disagreement is purely opinion or speculation.
@@thelocdesiringentryintoyou3686
Counter argument; “Nuh uh”
I'd like to think that the giants are all one race but have different ethnicities/nationalities. So I'm certain that Yhorm may have been adopted into the Giant Lord's nation and thus makes himself look like the DS2 giants to honor his upbringing and the Giant Lord's traditional attire
It was literally just this video that showed to me Lord Yhorm DOESNT have the "hole in the head" DS2-style giant's face. It sort of looks like that, but then when you turn the brightness up you can see he actually has a full face of human features - chin, eyes, nose, cheekbones etc.
I never played Dark Souls 3 with the brightness high enough I guess!
i loved DS2 giants, and it's a shame to see all that mystique die away. I really like this idea that giants are many different peoples whilst being one race, and I'm gonna use that to explain the differences away between games lol
Maybe ds2 giants are hollowed, so Yorm can by related to giant lord, but he's not hollowed since he's lord of cinders or the curse for giants is somehow dealt with after events of ds2. Also have better armor and stuff because it takes place long after ds2, where the giants were in downfall probably thanks to Vendrick
19:18 I've always loved the design of the giants that made it into the game. They look very unique and memorable. Much better than some generic sharp-toothed beast look.
Love the expostulation and headcanonizing. Keep it up. I thought the From Soft lore content genre was completely saturated, but your takes were really fresh and give Dark Souls 2 the credit it deserves in the greater narrative.
New honored madman well. Let me proc a little frenzy on myself 🌲 and watch this bad boy.
Hopefully you won't go too ham and require sedative lol
@@ThommyofThenn after years I got the Sea Rune +2 permanently equipped lmao. I outta call my pipe bloodletter because it's always filling my frenzy meter
Smoke blood every day
Fear the old bud!
Word exactly shiiiid I'm finna sip a lil soporific grease and take a nap to this shit
another interpretation for giant speak is that they just don’t speak english natively. they are a different race than the gods after all, and so when gough was alive, he probably was taught formally how to speak english, where as the giant blacksmith a few hundred years later probably only barely speaks english due to it being so long since gods have been there, therefore he was never formally taught, or is just out of practice.
The DS2 Giants may be linked to the ancient everlasting dragons. They turn into trees, theyre made of stone, and they don't seem to be affected by the curse of the undead. It also echoes how Gwyn found the dragons.
They're probably like the archtrees, and the golem magic which Vendrick stole from them allows them to move. When bereft of souls in death they turn into trees again. If it were possible to "inject" souls into them again, their stone bodies may move - that's how the golems at Castle Drangleic work and I suspect it's a crude imitation of the Giant's biology itself.
Awesome video as always Madman. I can't wait for the video on how anor londo was in lyndell in ds2.
What if Yhorm comes from the same species of giants as the adjudicators. Small head and lankier body. And they have defined faces unlike the other species of giants :o
I actually meant to mention that as a possibility but i think i may have forgotten
I seen somewhere where the thought father Adriandel was an adjudicator giant and they believed that all father Lloyd was one and was the brother of Caithca 1st wife of Gywn or something like that. Good vid, very interesting.
I always felt that the gaping hole was representative of them missing some innate part of themselves. That what ever Vendrick took from them, made the giants less. Kind of like hollowing but for giants.
Ok here comes the comment omnibus:
DS1:
Other potential giants encountered in DS1 include Gravelord Nito and executioner Smough, first one for residing in the tomb of the giants, second one for having the same name entomology as Gough
Gough likely never fought nameless king, as during AOTA, undead burg had not been built yet, and the sunlight altar statue which we find destroyed there wasn’t either. As such NK hadn’t been exiled from anor londo yet.
DS2:
The Greatwood giants are top heavy, and their metamorphosis into trees upon death makes them similar to the plant folk of oolacile.
The ashen mist heart was created by Aldia
In cut content, the giants were meant to be *way* bigger, Zulie the witch has a great video on it. It adds to saulden’s dialogue on them rising from the sea.
The last giant is just the last one from the siege, as another is found in Lothric’s firelink shrine, which comes from far further in the timeline
DS3:
The treatment of the anor londo giants is indeed all of sulyvahn’s doing
Sulyvahn and Aldrich are not allies when we encounter them, Aldrich and his forces laid siege to irithyll to consume Gwyndolin. Sulyvahn wouldn’t be much of a pontiff if the all father got eaten now would he lol
Yhrom the Giant isn’t a giant really, he’s just a large human or some sort of human/giant hybrid, similar to the ringed city judicatory giants. The irithyllian preset confirms humans and the god race can interbreed, humans and giants isn’t so far fetched. Yhrom’s conquerer ancestor might be Wolnir of Carthus like you say.
The profaned capital has some items implying the existence of Oni, or great horned giants. The profaned capital is from the far east, and the storm rulers were designed to fight the Oni there
Everything you said about ringed city is pretty solid, I had not considered the giants there were among the original giants; the ones from the very start of the timeline
The term used for " Greatwood" with Yhorm was the same one used for the Giant-trees back in DS2. In a word, yes, he is related to them. The best way to describe him is a missing link,essentially. He is a Giant standing between both stages.
You likely remember my theories on Wolnir, but I do have to clarify something:
I believe the slaves we see in 3 are not simply Sulyvahn's doing. When I said that Wolnir doomed his fellows to further hatred from others due to his actions, I mean precisely this.
The Giant Slaves we see today in 3 are enslaved as payback for his amd his kingdom's actions. The prejudice against Giants as a whole was confirmed and justified by Wolnir's tyranny.
I don't believe the options of Yhorm geing descended from Wolnir or the Giant Lord to be contradictory. As I have stated, I believe the former is a successor to the latter.
Explaining the seemingly primitive nature of the Giant Kingdom in 2 is simple, actually:
"Pyromancy has a, well, rather primitive aspect to it. It meshes poorly with advanced culture."
"A pyromancer must be in tune with nature herself."
The bracelets their casters wear, I believe, are not casting devices, but rather an indication of rank. Pyromancy does include applications of both poison and fire,among other elements; the manipulation of Fire can be said to be the manipulation of Disparity as we know it, for is not one the source of the other?
As for why they look different:
"Impelled by its own cravings, it sought souls, and strove to make the strength of the Giants its own."
Vendrick didn't come to merely steal a treasure; he came for the Giant Souls. And if Resonance is true of all Giants...
Then what happens if one of them,or more, has their soul ripped out?
The Judicators do not judge who is worthy of entry to the City. If they did, the sentries of Oolacile would not pass, being from a peaceful land of weak humans. Rather, they are here to " uphold the King's Decree". They are, in a word, the law. Their use of phantoms doubles not only as a method of protection, but as a punishment for those summoned. As I stated before, the summons of the first Judicator include two skeletons; they are practicing the same sort of necromancy the Fenito impose upon those who commit tresspasses against the Undead Crypt. Ledo's red invasion is no anomaly; the Insolent Clerics were also red phantoms, but still bound unwillingly. His situation is likely no different; he and all others summoned by the Judicators are slaves, unable to die.
I sent this to you a little while ago, so I don't know if you have seen it. That said, I do think it warrants exploration:
@TheHonoredMadman Hello.
This is a short tangent I found myself on, but it does feel important:
Where did the Giant Sentinels go?
As far as we have speculated, the enslaved Giants of Lordran in Sen's Fortress and the like freed themselves,and founded the "Giant Kingdom", but the Sentinels left long, long before that, as did Gwynevere and most of the gods. By the time of 1, they're already gone, so,where are they?
"Armor of the giant sentinels of Anor Londo.Made from ancient brass, it also offers protection versus non-physical attacks."
Compare them to this:
"How old could this nearly-crumbling armor be?
Has extremely low durability.
Sometimes, just as a thing falls to pieces, it unleashes its last flash of great power..."
Most people have this strange notion that the Old Knights of Heide are golems of some sort; this is unlikely to be true, for a simple reason:
"Wielded by a warrior from a time so ancient that there exists no record of his endeavors."
There is, or was, a warrior within that armour, wielding that greatsword or greathammer. Whether they are still in there is unknown; the important thing is, this was once an actual person. And given the size and age of said armour, that person would have to be a Giant.
This explains a few things; for some reason, there is at least one Giant skull within the Grave Of Saints. The Old Knights are resistant to but not immune to bleed damage. Most importantly, both their age and the state of the armour can be explained by them wearing brass instead of the specific alloy used with the Heide Knights' chain mail.
In other words, the Old Knights were the next incarnation of the Giant Sentinels, just as the Giant Kingdom was built by the formerly enslaved Giants of Anor Londo and Sen's Fortress. The two, thanks to their separation early on, have diverged completely....
Or have they?
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I had a strange question enter my mind:
Why is the Giant's Kinship necessary to enter the Throne Of Want?
It's quite odd, when you think about it. The beings that form the bridge to the Throne are not Giants; they're golems, specifically of the kind seen in Eleum Loyce. No head; hole in the chest. Both they and the Throne itself are far, far older than Vendrick, if not most of his predecessors. In fact, in Aldia's words, " none of them stood" where we did; never was anyone in the known history of this continent so close to the Throne.
"Whether Heide refers to a kingdom or was just a name for the land is not clear, for no records date back far enough to tell."
"The Defender has stood by the throne for ages. Will his wait be worth the while?"
This explains one half; the age, as well as the golems. Eleum Loyce is one out of two places that resemble Anor Londo within Drangleic; the presence of the golems there is not so strange; they were likely originally produced in Heide.
So,why is the Giant's Kinship required? And why does the Giant Lord have it?
Well, the Giant's Kinship's original name sheds some light on it;
" Giant's Resonance."
The item description isn't helpful in describing it's origins, but the name is quite enough. The Giant's Resonance is exactly what it says in a tin; it is a resonance among all Giants. A connection that binds them all.
Indeed, a " singular rage" burned within the Giants' hearts at Vendrick and his kingdom. They marched as one to burn his kingdom; unable to separate their own feelings from those of his most direct and specific victims, they couldn't find it in themselves to forgive these transgressions, or even consider the alternative of peace.
At the moment we find it, the Resonance is bound to one Giant Lord, come from across the sea to fulfill his duty....
But who held it before?
In much the same way Eleum Loyce resembles Heide and Anor Londo, there is one place that resembles the Throne;
The bottom of Brume Tower.
Dozens of Old Knights litter the place, covered in ash, but above all of them, there is one. What you see as the Fume Knight's arena is composed merely of his chest piece and helmet; whoever wore this armour was, truly, a Giant among Giants. Whatever happened here, we do not know,though it left one relic; a certain scorching hot scepter, held by a foolish human king.....
One that oddly looks like a coiled sword.
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The Throne, it appears, was carved at least twice.
When first made, it was a massive seat. Within that seat, is an even smaller notch, carved to fit a much tinier subject;
A human.
In some way, shape or form, the Giants in general, and the Old Knights specifically, were the wards of the Linking of the Fire within Drangleic. With the fall of Heide, however, and their inevitable passing, their Resonance was inherited by another;
A vengeful king, from across the sea. Come to conquer Drangleic, and reclaim the birthright of his race.
Was Nashandra truthful when she told Vendrick to fear the Giants? In fact, was the Giant Lord " warned" in the very same manner?
After all, there is only one true Throne...
And we have no need for two rulers.
I ain't reading allat🗣🗣🐐💯
@@Sohelanthropus Nor are you forced to. This is all technically for HM, and can only be fully understood with the context of our previous conversations. As such, anyone else reading this should do so at their own peril.
@charleshastings7260 Didn't see this. Thanks, man 😊!
Where in ds2 are the trees called "greatwood"?
@@jankbunky4279 It's the correct translation of what you read as " Giant tree" in Englis in the item " Seed Of A Giant Tree". It was supposed to be " Greatwood".
Oh, man! I had no idea that Knorm the Giant's story was so sad! His tale was so much more deep than just a badass giant fight that you use a "gimmick" sword on! And his best friend sounds so much like Jerren, and his promise to Radahn in Elden Ring! Did the Giant's BFF come from the same order of knights that had the Onion Knight and his daughter from Dark Souls 1, or did he just have similar armor? Holy FRICK, more videos like this please! 🥰
Oh yeah siegward and siegmeyer and sieglinde are all from catarina which is famous for its onion knights. I go back and forth on whether siegward is a descendant, reincarnation, or spiritual successor to siegmeyer in ds1. And yo i never realized the similarities between jerren and radahn and sieg and yhorm
@@TheHonoredMadman Oh, okay! Thank You! I've seen some of your Dark Souls 3 vids already, but, do you have a lot of them, like a long DS3 Lore Playlist? I just really like how you presented your newest vid, and Yhorm was FAR more than a "gimmick" fight!
The knights of Catarina are doughty warriors and can eat or drink any man under the table at feasts! Long may the sun shine ahahaha!
@@TheHonoredMadmanwow, that IS an interesting parallel with the 'normal' sized person befriending a giant or other huge friend. And I think Seigward is a reincarnation of Seigmier, as I think many characters are in DS3. They're seemingly different people but share similarities. Patches of course is an extra-dimensional entity that can shift between times and universes at will, testing the hearts of warriors across existence. Think of him as a sort of Q from star trek but in fromsoft games.
Ds2 Giants are def one of my favorite Giants in fiction, cool designs, awesome lore and story. Def the first Dark Souls boss to haunt my memories years ago!
I like to think that the giants are distantly related to the ancient dragons and when they die they turn into the trees that were in ash lake which is why you can go into the dragons memories
Giants are connected to angels; Profaned Capital (and Grand Archives) gargoyles are stone angels, Court Sorcerer set is a reference to John Dee's garb (the robe even has a scrying crystal, and JD used a crystal ball to contact angels like the Sages.) The pyromancy Profaned Flame is the same as Flame Swathe dropped by Belfry Sol Bell Keeper's (Sol is dedicated to Angels whereas Luna is dedicated to Dragons (hence the iron gargoyles)).
Mastodon Knights are a reference to Mastodon bones being mistaken for Nephilim bones by Cotton Mather, and seem like a muddled reconstruction - part Giant, part Elephant (Ogres seem like part Giant, part Hippo).
I'm a bit surprised by the lion knights tidbit. I assumed that it was more of a spiritual transformation like the primeval elephant knights at Drangleic.
I never noticed the memory of Jeigh! I was so focused on getting through the level quickly that's pretty neat!
Wow this vid got a lot of likes. I'm surprised u are still so under radar...loved ur content for some time now bro. Keep it up!
You have a valuable point of view on these topics I been here from the start so it's a great pleasure to see the channel grow. I voted for the bong hits lol keep it up brother
Bro that toke at the end during the cutscene 😂
Biggest thing I learned from this video was the Judicator that summons the dragon dude. Really neat! Went through multiple RS3 runs and never noticed/had him spawn ever.
7:40 Pretty sure he refuses to take off the helm because he's too prideful of the helm. Since it was a "gift" to him that he treasures deeply ... for some reason.
Look closer, see for yourself. Gough's treasured armour, gifted to him, tailor made for a giant, includes a massive golden medallion.
These are symbols of his station, and I believe, his relation to Lord Gwyn.
It appears most of the Lords are, if not giants, related to them, The witch of Izalith towers over her daughters in cutscenes, and Nito too is likely a giant, considering his location, in The Grave Of Giants.
All except the furtive pygmy, who claimed the Dark Soul, of which all humanity is a tiny fragment.
The DS2 giants may just be hollowed giants
Since blindness is kind of a spectrum, it's possible the resin in gough's helmet doesn't completely block his sight, it just makes it extremely difficult to see, which can in turn cause the eyes to deteriorate from either straining hard to see or nit being able to function to their fullest capabilities
Slight aside, there is *one* Painting Guardian in Dark Souls 2, it only appears in Aldia’s Keep on NG+ and above and doesn’t respawn, so the only way to farm the set was to kill Guardian Dragon and keep pumping Bonfire Ascetics into the bonfire hidden behind the illusionary wall. I know I had a savefile or two where Aldia’s Keep was at NG+10 while the rest of my world (besides the Giant Lord boss of course) was only at NG+2.
“It was like the movie Fargo” holy shit that was such a good joke outta nowhere
I wish that there were some clue as to why the Gods, or other bosses are usually so tall, but are not considered giants.
the way the giant turn at you in 19:50 at just stands there mencacingly is so funny
Forgot the greatest and deadliest giant of them all, Giant Dad
In order to get the spear of the church unique dialogue you need to have the ritual spear fragment, this is the second tier reward for the spear of the church faction
Why do I remember yhorn striking a different pose in that cutscene where he stands up. He’s holding his weapon vertical, I thought he was holding it horizontal and sort of looking off to the side a bit
Isn't father Ariandel the same race as the judicators?
He does look like it but hes has those crow features. I kinds think he was a judicator but underwent a corvian transformation after coming to the painted world. I was gonna get into it on my corvian video
the golden sentinels in anor londo to me are constructs, like the iron golem, their proportions are not of the blacksmiths or slaves
4:14 i think they just have their on language and areht so fluent in whatever language everyone else speaks.
Amazing video love how you *linked* them all together, would love to see a video in this style on the crystal golems might be alot shorter tho lol
The message "Only a storm can fell a Greatwood" is a mistranslation but i don't remember what the japanese version actually says.
I didnt know that but i always thought it was a wierd description,
There are a lot of mistranslation from japanese to english, thats why the lore and the story seems to be so much nebulus and vague, and many lore channels (even Vaati) do a poor job at analyzing the lore of this kind of games, the end result is that many dumb theory ends up on the internet because there are not enough people that let other souls fan know about the poor english translation of some important description@@TheHonoredMadman
What I remember is that the Japanese uses the term used in for " Giant-tree" in it's seed's name. I think. Otherwise, it is pretty accurate.
The Das2 giant mages look like they're vomiting something into their hands first before throwing
Gwynevere is a female giant, dancer too, Gwyn is a giant of some kind himself
also what about the witch of izalith? When compared to her children they look human and she looks like she’s a giant aswell
Gwynevere and Gwyn are gods, not giants. Witch of Izalith is also a god, not a giant. There's also a difference between large humanoid enemies and the races of giants. Vordt, the Sentinels and Pursuers in DS2, King Vendrick, and many many other figures could be called giant by that standard
@@Red-hm8cd Gwyn, The Witch of Izalith and Nito weren't born as gods, they acquired the power of a god after finding power souls in the First Flame.
They weren't humans either, so these 3 being a different kind of giant could be possible.
Artorias, Ornstein and Ciaran can be used as an example as well, since they're not human and there's no mention of them being gods or anything like it.
This was great, I loved that this felt so natural. You got a new sub in me
What if the ds2 giants actually do have faces, but everyone forgot what they looked like so nobody can grasp what they're looking at when they see them? Giants are an established part of the world in Drangleic but there's also been plenty of effort to scrub their existence from history after the war which could've taken an untold amount of time before we came along.
Kinda like the thing where a secluded tribe sees an airplane fly over but since they don't know what the concept of an airplane even is they can't comprehend what they're seeing.
0:16 im afraid I don't know the name of this film/show here. That fox is really neat looking so im wondering
5:45 also takes intellect to lead an arrow shot against a moving target, a flying target no less
Its from the Green Knight. Trippy film
@@TheHonoredMadman thanks. I just read the intro on the wiki entry and this sounds really cool story-wise. Plus from your clip, i already know i like the visual style
My interpretation of the DS2 is that Vendrick wants to keep his kingdom, so he sought eternity with Aldia, which required ashen mist heart and tons of giants for experiment to create the everlasting ancient dragon.
While Nashandra wanted the first flame in throne room as a piece of Manus, also part of the dark soulm This required the kinship of giants.
So Nasandra persuaded Vendrick to invade the giants for what he needed. When the giants took revenge and got defeated, she'd have what she wanted.
Not sure if I agree with the idea that rags the Giants in Dark Souls 1 being shared with the Giant Blacksmith is indicative that it isn't slave garb.
The fact that they wear heavy chains and perform tasks in repetition heavily implies it, alongside the fact that they are referred to directly as "Giant Slaves" for their DS3 enemy name, and are still present in Irithyll/Anor Londo, and the Cathedral of the Deep, a location associated with Anor Londo as of the time of that game
The Giant Blacksmith is likely also a slave, given he isn't provided the same level of treatment or extravagant garb as the regal Giant Sentinels, but is given greater treatment than the ones in Sen's Fortress due to his talents.
His kinship with Gough still makes sense with this in mind too. No other characters besides Andre in DS3 speak fondly of him or even mention him. It's likely Gough treated him more fairly because of them both being Giants, and Andre held respect for him due to them both being craftsmen of the same trade. Most others probably didn't mind him much, or simply didn't care. Talent is talent however so he wasn't really mistreated like many other giants. Gough may very well be the one proper exception, since he's a renowned folk hero, but even then his relationships with some of his peers are up in the air.
I should always remember to bring my Chains to work.
Head cannon: fog represents timelessness, trees represent time & memory. Dragons lived and evolved in the fog surrounded by trees, and so are immortal, considered to be deities. The giants turn into trees, and may have had the ability to transcend time also, or so Aldia would have presumed. Hence Aldia's attempts to experiment primarily with giants in pursuit of dragons.
My theory about the message in Yhorm's arena is that Yhorm was gonna be the tutorial boss and the curse-rotted greatwood was originally in that area somehow and someone at Fromsoft just forgot to change it.
So my boy gough was the one that made all of the carvings I didn’t know that.🐱
*V e R y G u D*
Ayy just prepared a fresh bowl of nicely cooked herbs (for cooking of course), good timing
Fun fact: gough isnt blind he just doesnt know if he removes the helmet he will see. I think they put something in it so when he woke up he couldn't see anything and assume he was blinded.
Truly adding to his giga mad lad level. Imagine if he just removed the helmet. I always wanted to do so poor bloke
Giants are definitely a staple in this series
Oh... My... God. The seed in Brume tower! You sir have just made DS2 %31 percent less annoying.
33:55 dragon communion incantation prototype
Great video, as an artist myself ,dark souls lore is so inspiring
Back at it; good to see ya
Big brain comment and big agree. Always cause for celebration when Auspicious Crazyboi uploads
Speaking of Argo, ever since I first encountered him I found it weird how he just decides to fight you when all of the non boss Adjudicator Giants summon a literal army of unkillable phantoms that do massive damage. He really wasn’t trying that hard to stop you haha.
What do you think about the idea that Gough isn't actually blind but just has had wax or something poured into the gaps of his helmet that stops him from seeing and since giants are slow he just thinks he's blind?
He seems a bit more intelligent than the other giants imo but i definitely think its a possibility
I think it's stupid, personally.
@@TheHonoredMadman I have a bit of an unrelated question:
Do you ever plan on covering the Old Iron King?
Love your lore videos bro, never stop!
what about lattena's giants sister in elden ring isnt she kind of conisdered a giant or something i know she's an albernauric but lattena calls her gentle yet towering sister
thank you for turning up the volume on your videos, can hear you clearly now
Still working on getting a better mic. I think this ones dying out on me
lol I love the accidental Iji name drop at 7:47
Zullie doesn't seem to use a spell when summoned by the judicator. Looks like the weapon art of the frayed blade to me
what about the giant skeletons? the ones with swords and the beasty ones too
The knights that shoot arrows, summoned by the judicators I think belong to Eleum Loyce from DS2 dlc
Im pretty sure theyre the knights that the ruin sentinels were based on. Tsorig killed all of the loyce knights
The gaping faces of the DS2 giants makes them feel less human, more monstrous or alien
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How would you headcanon that, then immediately cut to the giant blacksmith who *was* alive during the age of the gods and is the exact same size he was in ds1?
you missed the greatest giant of dark souls 1 , The GIANTDAD
One of the series' strengths is its unique creature design and the faceless giant designs are much more visually distinct IMO.
As for why there are different types of giants... to me, it seems likely that they are literally just different subspecies of giants - or, that the word "giant" is used literally to mean "Big ass dude." It's also possible that Gwyn himself was a giant before he found the soul of flame, and that many of the "gods" described in the lore were also giants of higher status. There is clearly a great respect for giants in Anor Londo, considering the massive steps alongside the more traditionally sized steps which themselves run up the center of the great stair that leads to the gates of the palace.
I do not believe that giants can go hollow - as hollowing is a curse specifically affecting humanity, which was placed on humanity by Gwyn for the purpose of restricting them to their current form and trapping their darkness inside. Rather, I suspect that the lesser giants that serve either as knights or workhorses are literally just that - a lesser race of giants from the ones who stood among the gods.
I also suspect that Yorm is of the same race of giants as the ones in the Ringed City. Honestly, this is mostly due to his size and facial structure being similar to theirs. But to me it seems likely that these giants were once one and the same as the giants who lived in Anor Londo - again, because of the steepness of their steps compared to the human-sized steps. But given their higher intellect and magical capacity, I could see them living in a higher tier of society from the more brutish and stupid giants you see in Sens Fortress. In DnD terms - those guys are the hill giants to Anor Londo's cloud giants.
As for the DkS 2 giants... they would be another race entirely, and possibly not even the same species as the other giants. They existed across the sea, in a country far away from Lordran, existing outside of it's influence. And they were called giants merely because they were so large, and the people of Dranleik, who were themselves quite removed from Lordran, didn't notice the difference. Even the people from places outside Dranleik that you meet are from countries unmentioned in DkS 1, and I personally believe the game takes place on a totally different continent - granted, there are a few connections between the first and second game that could disprove this point entirely, like the crystal mines possibly being what remains of the crystal caves from the first game. But even if Dranleik was built over what was once Lordran, or near it, there are no giants from the first game to be found, so it still stands to reason that the people simply had heard stories of huge fucking dudes, and didn't know the difference. All in the same way that British Settlers didn't know the difference between Indians and Indigenous Americans.
Maybe its their proximity and the character size problem of dark souls, but the ringed city ginats remind me of uncle from ariendel. At least until you get a closer look at their faces. Although uncle would just seem to be even older than the ringed city giants
That in lou of a face bit had me rolling 😂😂
the giants in bloodborne are the pneumarians or whatever theyre called,you find loads of them in the chalice dungeons
Hell yeah brother!!! Great video!!
For me I much prefer considering each giant that looks substantially different, different races, like the Giant Lord to Yhorm to even maybe the Judicators.
Even if the DS2 Giants might have has more proper faces previously i would still consider them different.
Of course not including size differences since I'm certain there would be outliers.
Whether or not some giant races are similar because they're subraces or because of something like convergent evolution is probable.
I'm not surprised lorewise just haphazardly put all of them in the same "race" because of their generally overwhelming size, lack of speech and generally similar traits like specialised craftmanship.
Is just that we don't how big the world of Dark Souls is, the fact Drangleic to Anor Londo to Lothric exists and what lands does the giants from DS2
That could hold up if the different giant races were designed differently on purpose and not out of just inconsistency.
Unless it's canonically true that they are all the same which I really doubt is so then nevermind.
SF6 is too system mechanics heavy. Plus, they need to fix throws. The risk/reward is too unbalanced, especially defending against them, they need to be a little lenient with teaching throws
Some statues in Farum Azula also look like the Lion clansmen of DS2:)
My good sir, what about Father Ariendel? Surely you didn’t forget him?
14:23 You are thinking of MALDRON, not MAUGHLIN (he's Majula's resident merchant)
Youre right. I always mix those two names up haha
@@TheHonoredMadman No big deal. The video is very good anyway. 👍
Why would the judicators deny entry to the ringed city for so many? Wasn’t it built just for housing undead?
Yhorm is ash (like us), he can't go hollow, the giants from ds2 are hollowed because fire is about to go out. If yhorm would go hollow he'd look like the giant lord we faced. What we stole from giants are the kinship and the throne(fire).
I need another 10 vids like those please.
massive. the giants inspire so many cool metaphors in my imagination
So. What is ariandel ? I think I spelt that wrong but is he not a giant ?
Love your content bro
Just realized I have no idea who the Sen of Sen's Fortress is
what a great video💯 deserves 10 million views
Giants, giants, giants...become *unstoppable*
"Unnamed Ashen One" or "BootySlayer69"
Been stoked on this since your last DS video. Im 'honored' to be the first to watch and like it
I see what you did there😂
@@Invaders_Unite hahaha. Hell yea bro!!! 😂