Love you so much Pekin, I got into League before but you’ve made it into a hobby for me, just moved from South Africa to America, pretty cool to get your videos just before bed now
Zilean was designed during a time in League where many champs had single target hard cc on basic abilities. Sion, Taric, Fiddle, Ryze, TF, Panth, etc. Very few champs had aoe stuns or knockups on basic abilities, and if they did then they were usually conditional like Zilean needing to hit 2 bombs, Heimer bomb being small radius and hard to hit, Malphite knockup only on ult, Cho Q being hard to land, etc. Zilean having a targetable slow, even at 99% strength, which it was half that strength initially, was pretty weak by comparison to all of the broken point and click cc nuke abilities there were. Albeit the duration was around 6 seconds long at max rank, but it was during a time that supports were almost never getting to lvl 18 anyway and you max e last. When they had to buff him to see relevancy outside of pro play when they changed his exp passive, his E was the only ability they could buff since every other one would be insane. He's fundamentally broken based on abilities, and even if his numbers were nerfed, he's still extremely uninteractive. The fact he can easily solo lane now probably does mean he deserves a nerf, but since no one plays him even as a support, it wouldn't even do anything.
As a Grandmaster Zilean main i think there are many innacuracies and deadass false claims in your comment. 1st of all the thing that is most untrue is that ''Zilean can easily solo lane now'' Dude are you ok? Zilean has 1 damaging ability lets say 2 together with his rewind w, as Pekinwolf says q is hard to hit and guess what? 2 Q's are EXTREMELY hard to hit. But you have your E you will say, yeah and 90% of midlane champions have a dash, or longer range than you, or they deadass dont care about your 250dmg combo and they run you down. 2nd point, his E is broken! I will admit that zileans E is very strong vs SOME champions and extremely USELESS vs other champions. I will give 2 examples. First example is Darius, darius has no dashes, no way to cleanse the slow and is low range, pressing e on him literally ruins him except if your teammates walk up to him or he flashes. Perfect we got an example where zileans E is broken. Now lets see an opposite example. Lets take hecarim, where in high elo everyone takes phase rush. Zilean is completely worthless vs a phase rush hecarim, he can bait your R in many teammates with his aoe dmg, doesnt give a f*** about your slow and ofc you cant hit double bomb on him. LAST POINT which of zileans abilities are broken exactly? His Q surely isnt pekinwolf and i agree that it is a very bad ability. His e? Yea e is a STRONG ability, not as strong as akali shroud, or gwen W, or nilah W or ksante w or any semi new-reworked champion core ability , just strong. Is his w broken? w isnt even an ability it just resets your Q and E so it is as strong as those abilities so not broken. Now we come to the last argument many d4 hardstucks and lower make..... ZILEANS R IS BROKEN!1. Renata w akshan passive is all i have to say. Also especially in solo Q you dont want your strongest ability in the hands of one of your hardstuck teammates but zilean R is exactly that. I have rumbled long enough but these things need to be said whenever a ''human'' like you says zilean is broken
@entrerai You had a sperg fit because you don't understand what the word broken means. Broken doesn't mean strong. It means uninteractive and unbalancable, and it's exactly why they won't buff him. For how strong of a kit Zilean has, and you can be jaded and sad all you want, his kit is completely uninteractive, yes he can lane well. You're not getting as much cs, you're probably gonna be outranged by control mages, you'll lose prio against wave clear, but it's still much more feasible than people think especially compared to other solo lane supports. Champs like Vayne and Kass have uninteractive kits where they're fundamentally broken, but still have terrible lanes, in fact Vayne definitely has a worse lane phase than Zilean. An aoe stun on a basic ability, a targetable steroid speed up/slow, and a point and click GA with almost no cds is extremely broken. This is a game where 3 base ad, 10 move speed, or 100 range could entirely change a champ's place in the meta. In fact, that's almost what his passive helps your allies do. Also, how dumb are you that you think that Zilean bomb needs to hit? It's an insane zoning tool, especially in lane. You're comparing a bunch of champs and their *defensive* abilities, and mostly melee champs to boot, to a ranged champ's ability. One that has effectively no cd once you get out of lane phase on top of that. Considering you're a Zilean main, and you're too stupid to realize that the strength of Zilean is not what he can individually do, but what he enables for his team proves that ranked is a sham. All of those broken point and click champs with 10 dashes now have a GA that follows them around, speeds them up, and slows the enemy down. He's the OG Yuumi. In organized play, Zilean is an insanely broken champion, and it's why they will not buff him. He's too hard to play as is, and any buff they give him to make him easier will instantly be nerfed right after. They have not touched a single one of his abilities since season 5. Every other patch change since then was minor base stat changes. That is a very clear indicator that he is a broken champ that can not be buffed. Stay mad.
1:52 You have to keep in mind, a 99% slow ist not actually 99%. There is a cap to slows, a target's MS cannot be reduced below 110 MS by a percentage slow. I can't remember how the exact formula to percentage slows, that would reduce below the minimum MS cap, is tho. EDIT: To not reduce below the cap, the target would need to have 11.000 MS, which is not even artificially reproducable under unrealistic conditions without abusing bugs / exploits. There was a Janna Speed Bug last season, showcased by Vandiril but the max MS he managed to reproduce was 3.127 MS - just for the comparison.
This clip is August saying "I'm of the opinion that zilean is degenerate to game state we would need to nerf him if he was more popular" He didn't exactly say Zilean is OP, it just changes so many fundamental things on games (ppl speed, ppl revive, AoE stuns on low CD) Clip: ruclips.net/user/shortsKY2FmZyz0Bo
Zilean kinda reminds me of Medivh in Heroes of the Storm, not because the skills are similar (they're not), but for also having a single damaging ability and the rest of the kit is a lot of support abilities. Medivh have a very high skill ceiling and, even being kinda of a "support" (he's actually deemed a specialist), can be top damage and dictate matches, if played correctly.
the “zilean would get nerfed if he was more popular according to riot” originated from the League of Legends forums btw, like 10 years ago now lmfao. people have been repeating it ever since and i really don’t think it’s true anymore, if he was more popular he might get a mini rework like when veigar supp became a pro play staple, but the champ is really just fine now, nothing too special in either direction. just had to leave a comment because “8 months ago” made me chuckle
in Hotkeys there is "self cast QWER", I set mine to selfcast E on my side mouse button. Just set it to anything that you'd like and you're good to go. I also do that for Lissandra R but I have to change it each game from E to R etc.
Ehh idk if he's genuinely broken, but definitely broken for solo queue. I've found the same thing with azir post mini rework. If players aren't willing to exploit the weaknesses of your champ, they don't have any lol. Zil utility is insane and you can definitely leverage that to do crazy things with a carry jungle + his ult is overwhelming up until mid game. But as long as scaling control mages are viable (and the people playing them are good), zil is mostly a beneficiary of solo queue meta imo.
It gives more ability haste. Pretty much every time he plays Zilean, except this time for some reason, he always explains that ability haste is more important than outright damage since with ability haste you can perma-stun people. Essentially Zileans cooldowns are more important than slightly bigger damage numbers.
I tried very hard to get a non-stomp game but today was not it
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Love you so much Pekin, I got into League before but you’ve made it into a hobby for me, just moved from South Africa to America, pretty cool to get your videos just before bed now
Sometimes you just gotta have a couple stomp games in the mix.
smh try harder
Or, uh, less hard
Stop being too crazy with it
The Kayn at 28 mins stopping and actively choosing not to take your cannon. Can’t be a real Kayn player
I think he was just waiting for q to steal.
must've been an accident, he proxied a whole wave 15 seconds later lmao
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Zilean was designed during a time in League where many champs had single target hard cc on basic abilities. Sion, Taric, Fiddle, Ryze, TF, Panth, etc. Very few champs had aoe stuns or knockups on basic abilities, and if they did then they were usually conditional like Zilean needing to hit 2 bombs, Heimer bomb being small radius and hard to hit, Malphite knockup only on ult, Cho Q being hard to land, etc. Zilean having a targetable slow, even at 99% strength, which it was half that strength initially, was pretty weak by comparison to all of the broken point and click cc nuke abilities there were. Albeit the duration was around 6 seconds long at max rank, but it was during a time that supports were almost never getting to lvl 18 anyway and you max e last.
When they had to buff him to see relevancy outside of pro play when they changed his exp passive, his E was the only ability they could buff since every other one would be insane. He's fundamentally broken based on abilities, and even if his numbers were nerfed, he's still extremely uninteractive. The fact he can easily solo lane now probably does mean he deserves a nerf, but since no one plays him even as a support, it wouldn't even do anything.
Bro shut up
@@leonardo9259 such a zilean hater smh
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As a Grandmaster Zilean main i think there are many innacuracies and deadass false claims in your comment. 1st of all the thing that is most untrue is that ''Zilean can easily solo lane now'' Dude are you ok? Zilean has 1 damaging ability lets say 2 together with his rewind w, as Pekinwolf says q is hard to hit and guess what? 2 Q's are EXTREMELY hard to hit. But you have your E you will say, yeah and 90% of midlane champions have a dash, or longer range than you, or they deadass dont care about your 250dmg combo and they run you down. 2nd point, his E is broken! I will admit that zileans E is very strong vs SOME champions and extremely USELESS vs other champions. I will give 2 examples. First example is Darius, darius has no dashes, no way to cleanse the slow and is low range, pressing e on him literally ruins him except if your teammates walk up to him or he flashes. Perfect we got an example where zileans E is broken. Now lets see an opposite example. Lets take hecarim, where in high elo everyone takes phase rush. Zilean is completely worthless vs a phase rush hecarim, he can bait your R in many teammates with his aoe dmg, doesnt give a f*** about your slow and ofc you cant hit double bomb on him. LAST POINT which of zileans abilities are broken exactly? His Q surely isnt pekinwolf and i agree that it is a very bad ability. His e? Yea e is a STRONG ability, not as strong as akali shroud, or gwen W, or nilah W or ksante w or any semi new-reworked champion core ability , just strong. Is his w broken? w isnt even an ability it just resets your Q and E so it is as strong as those abilities so not broken. Now we come to the last argument many d4 hardstucks and lower make..... ZILEANS R IS BROKEN!1. Renata w akshan passive is all i have to say. Also especially in solo Q you dont want your strongest ability in the hands of one of your hardstuck teammates but zilean R is exactly that. I have rumbled long enough but these things need to be said whenever a ''human'' like you says zilean is broken
@entrerai You had a sperg fit because you don't understand what the word broken means. Broken doesn't mean strong. It means uninteractive and unbalancable, and it's exactly why they won't buff him. For how strong of a kit Zilean has, and you can be jaded and sad all you want, his kit is completely uninteractive, yes he can lane well. You're not getting as much cs, you're probably gonna be outranged by control mages, you'll lose prio against wave clear, but it's still much more feasible than people think especially compared to other solo lane supports. Champs like Vayne and Kass have uninteractive kits where they're fundamentally broken, but still have terrible lanes, in fact Vayne definitely has a worse lane phase than Zilean.
An aoe stun on a basic ability, a targetable steroid speed up/slow, and a point and click GA with almost no cds is extremely broken. This is a game where 3 base ad, 10 move speed, or 100 range could entirely change a champ's place in the meta. In fact, that's almost what his passive helps your allies do. Also, how dumb are you that you think that Zilean bomb needs to hit? It's an insane zoning tool, especially in lane. You're comparing a bunch of champs and their *defensive* abilities, and mostly melee champs to boot, to a ranged champ's ability. One that has effectively no cd once you get out of lane phase on top of that.
Considering you're a Zilean main, and you're too stupid to realize that the strength of Zilean is not what he can individually do, but what he enables for his team proves that ranked is a sham. All of those broken point and click champs with 10 dashes now have a GA that follows them around, speeds them up, and slows the enemy down. He's the OG Yuumi. In organized play, Zilean is an insanely broken champion, and it's why they will not buff him. He's too hard to play as is, and any buff they give him to make him easier will instantly be nerfed right after. They have not touched a single one of his abilities since season 5. Every other patch change since then was minor base stat changes. That is a very clear indicator that he is a broken champ that can not be buffed. Stay mad.
Not many know this, Pekin sort of mains Zilean in a distant future, like in season 200
10:35 a kill at the same time in every lane. neat
Yo, that's actually nuts. Good catch.
oh I was JUST thinking I really wanted a Pekin video lmao amazing timing
1:52 You have to keep in mind, a 99% slow ist not actually 99%. There is a cap to slows, a target's MS cannot be reduced below 110 MS by a percentage slow. I can't remember how the exact formula to percentage slows, that would reduce below the minimum MS cap, is tho.
EDIT: To not reduce below the cap, the target would need to have 11.000 MS, which is not even artificially reproducable under unrealistic conditions without abusing bugs / exploits. There was a Janna Speed Bug last season, showcased by Vandiril but the max MS he managed to reproduce was 3.127 MS - just for the comparison.
I love your Zilean games!
Zed is the best example of delayed kill! You just feel hopeless when he ults you and dash away.
im eating spaghetti
Fear the fangs. Respect the skill.
There are definitely some times where I think you could run into your own bombs more to either land a stun or get the damage
it's simple, i see pekin upload i click
This clip is August saying "I'm of the opinion that zilean is degenerate to game state we would need to nerf him if he was more popular"
He didn't exactly say Zilean is OP, it just changes so many fundamental things on games (ppl speed, ppl revive, AoE stuns on low CD)
Clip: ruclips.net/user/shortsKY2FmZyz0Bo
the brazilian kaisa is hilarious
Zilean kinda reminds me of Medivh in Heroes of the Storm, not because the skills are similar (they're not), but for also having a single damaging ability and the rest of the kit is a lot of support abilities.
Medivh have a very high skill ceiling and, even being kinda of a "support" (he's actually deemed a specialist), can be top damage and dictate matches, if played correctly.
the “zilean would get nerfed if he was more popular according to riot” originated from the League of Legends forums btw, like 10 years ago now lmfao. people have been repeating it ever since and i really don’t think it’s true anymore, if he was more popular he might get a mini rework like when veigar supp became a pro play staple, but the champ is really just fine now, nothing too special in either direction. just had to leave a comment because “8 months ago” made me chuckle
Search up Riot August talks about Zilean. That’s what PekinWoof was referring to, not to what you’re saying here.
pekin, can you try on-hit zilean? just chase down people with your stuns and slows and auto them to death?
Based upload time. Right as I go to bed
Every day i look for my dogmen woof new video and whenever i see zilean i say "yesss" 😂
20:10 poppy summed it up
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I’d argue his passive is the op part. You have to coordinate with team properly, it’s unbelievably strong
some of those plays were NUTS haha, his slow seems ridiculous
at 25:20 you could have killed talon after he ults by placing the bomb you got from w onto yourself as you die with ult
@18:00 you couldve used W-E to slow talon
27:00 Urgot R, ignite ?
How do you use Zilean e without hovering over ur champ?? It’s a neat trick!
I can actually help with this, there is a setting call "self cast" in the settings, firts page, in casting keys or smthng like that!
Hope you find it
in Hotkeys there is "self cast QWER", I set mine to selfcast E on my side mouse button. Just set it to anything that you'd like and you're good to go.
I also do that for Lissandra R but I have to change it each game from E to R etc.
And I think you can self cast without hotkeys. Just alt + (your ability of choice) it automatically self casts
your videos are op for sleep
FEAR THE FANGS, RESPECT THE SKILL!
As a kinda new league player, I randomly played zilean in aram, and he was SO much fun. I can easily carry my team in most fights
Can you play Kayle at some point?
Most Zil blow ive seen for sure. XD
delayed damage aurora that passive is nasty or lilia
27:00 big delayed kill i can think of is trist bomb
Keep advertising this so I can do phase rush Diana into it and continue to take all these sheep’s lp
Ehh idk if he's genuinely broken, but definitely broken for solo queue. I've found the same thing with azir post mini rework. If players aren't willing to exploit the weaknesses of your champ, they don't have any lol.
Zil utility is insane and you can definitely leverage that to do crazy things with a carry jungle + his ult is overwhelming up until mid game. But as long as scaling control mages are viable (and the people playing them are good), zil is mostly a beneficiary of solo queue meta imo.
yay Zilean!
Why get blackfire torch over ludens for damage?
cdr
It gives more ability haste. Pretty much every time he plays Zilean, except this time for some reason, he always explains that ability haste is more important than outright damage since with ability haste you can perma-stun people. Essentially Zileans cooldowns are more important than slightly bigger damage numbers.
please do a nafiri video ❤
I hope Peki wins xD
No one's gonna mention his friend named HotEboyXerath??
idk i also think zilean is OP. i just get no satisfaction from winning when i play him and i imagine i'm not the only one considering stats.
If we were a couple I would call you my little PecanPie.
Sleeper build Zilean real
26:40 - 26:46
30 mins videos are way better
you could just died ubder turret first death
willie p lol
You repeated a lot of things that you said in the first game in the second game. It was quite repetetive
Repetition is how people learn and improve. So it's a good thing.
League games are too short, Pekin. Try Dota 2.
Day 122 of asking Pekin to upload a video of him reading a bedtime story.
Second!
Day 66 of asking Pekin to cosplay Gwen. Day 38 of asking Tinacrys to cosplay Viego with him.
Da212:Geoffroys Tamarin
Fear the fangs. Respect the skill.